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By Vespula Vulgaris
October 27 2015

This week Premiership Rugby released a statement letting the world know that the ongoing issues relating to a number of clubs breaking the salary cap had been resolved, and that no-one in fact had broken the cap.

It also suggested that there were some ways of financially compensating players that were not covered by the cap that some clubs had been utilising, and that as a gesture of faith, some confidential settlements have been entered into by the clubs involved.

So it's all done.

Only it isn't.

The whole thing is a complete farce from beginning to end.

Let's look at exactly what was said.

It's important to stress that not only have there been no breaches but we regret that over the past six to nine months supporters have not had clarity during this time when it comes to certain issues being looked at on the Salary Cap,”

Fantastic. No breaches, we can all relax. Only that clearly isn't the case.

The statement also said “Premiership Rugby can confirm that certain issues were pursued last season with some Clubs relating to access to information and to commercial contracts where there were differences of opinion as to the correct inclusion or not in the Salary Cap spend. The issues were not straightforward and were subject to differing legal opinion and consequent risk as to any judgment on the correct interpretation.

This is actually pretty clear. Some clubs had found a way to pay players that was not covered by the cap and when called on it used a legal challenge to defend themselves. This was considered to risky to rugby to persue and so it was dropped.

The statement goes on to say “Premiership Rugby and the Clubs have now resolved the issues identified and have entered into appropriate confidential settlements.” This would seem to imply that the clubs in (definitely not) breach of the cap had paid a financial settlement, but it 
does not state as much. It is now being said that the “settlement” is actually that the clubs in question will receive less money from future television rights.

On top of this the cap has been significantly increased for future seasons.

Not the most severe of penalties for what are clearly amongst the richest of clubs in the UK.

So lets see what we can actually take from this.

A group of clubs agreed to stick to a maximum financial spend on players. An un-specificed number of clubs chose not to stick to this agreed total. When they were called on it they chose to make it an issue of legality, and so the entire thing was dropped. A supposed penalty was applied and the limit was raised for the future.

This teaches us a number of things.

Firstly that any agreement by the clubs currently playing in the Aviva Premiership is not worth the paper it is printed on if you have the means to raise a competent legal challenge.

Secondly that whatever a club does to bring the game into disrepute will be covered up in order to try and maintain the integrity of the game (I use the word “integrity” in the loosest possible sense).

Thirdly that cheating is absolutely fine, as long as you bring a big bag of cash with you.

Fouthly, that at the time of writing only one club has had the balls to publicly state that they were not in any way involved in the investigation.

The whole situation is a disgrace, and the simple fact is that any “legal challenge” is irrelevant. The clubs agreed to behave in a certain manner, and two clubs chose not to stick to that agreement. Those clubs have managed to avoid any penalty by threatening to destroy the game for everyone else.

The fact that the two clubs widely rumoured to be involved are the two clubs who contested the Play-Off final in last years Aviva Premiership makes an utter mockery of the entire system and damages the game more than any club being openly shown to have cheated could ever do.

Quins “cheated” some years ago. They were penalised, they accepted it, dealt with it and came back stronger. The game suffered a little in the press, but everyone could hold their head up high knowing that it had been dealt with properly. Everyone moved on, secure in the knowledge that the ethics of the game were ultimately uncompromised.

Now however the exact opposite is the case. English Rugby has been damaged irreparably, and those in governance of the sport have been shown to be either cheats, or pushovers.

Which is your team?

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Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
DrunkenWasps.com (IP Logged)
27/10/2015 08:27
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Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
RossM (IP Logged)
27/10/2015 08:38
Well said, VV.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
FishingWasp (IP Logged)
27/10/2015 08:54
Agreed, and well put VV.
Looks like PR are following FIFA governance as their role model! The PR office must have a very big, loose mat to brush their dirt under. Coming clean was the only moral way forward, and not doing so is a disservice to both the sport and its supporters. They just didn't have the guts to do so/stand up to the bullies.
What we need now is a motion of no confidence in the PR hierarchy, supported by the clean clubs (assuming of curse they are in the majority).
Well done Wasps / Derek for going public on Wasps non-involvement.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Stevothewasp (IP Logged)
27/10/2015 10:00
Spot on again VV - and very well put.
The saddest thing of all is that this swell of outrage and disgust from supporters will quickly die down, which is the whole point of the delayed statement from PRL ie rather than risk supporters who are bored waiting for the prem to start from really kicking up a stink let's wait until the prem teams are playing again and people will be distracted back to the cut and thrust - another blinder played by the manipulators at PRL - I'm not sure there is an answer to this issue save people protesting by ignoring the prem sponsors products and telling them why - but again, it takes a concerted effort - so sad that we as supporters are unable to stop the PRL treating us with such utter contempt...... What values?...

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Ken Ilworth (IP Logged)
27/10/2015 10:59
Good article in the Telegraph this morning...
Insult to fans

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Chilham (IP Logged)
27/10/2015 11:34
Write to Aviva. I just did. helpdesk@aviva.co.uk

Sirs

I write in relation to the recent announcement of the existence of a secret settlement that has been entered into at Premiership Rugby following the accusation that some clubs in the Aviva Premiership may have broken the salary cap.

I advise you that unless I read in the press, within the next month, that Aviva is calling for Premiership Rugby to place details of any settlement in the public domain, I will be cancelling all existing insurance policies with Aviva and moving to other insurers. This may be a small sanction but I have no appetite for rewarding any company that relies for its sponsorship on supporting an organisation that is not transparent and further, may be potentially corrupt in its internal dealings.

Faithfully

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
27/10/2015 12:13
Thanks Chilham - I've done the same -

"Dear sir / madam,

Failure of Premiership rugby to publish details of the Rugby salary cap breach (and cover up thereof), for the Aviva Premiership that you sponsor, I think will have a very negative impact on perception of your company.

[www.telegraph.co.uk]

The only product I currently have with you (though I have had many in the past), is a pension, which I will shortly look at transferring as a result, and I certainly will not take any other further policies with you in the future, while you endorse such terrible behaviour (albeit indirectly) by financially supporting their endeavours.

I think you will find the vast majority of Rugby fans feel the same way, and will act accordingly.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
27/10/2015 12:52
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Ken Ilworth
Good article in the Telegraph this morning...
Insult to fans

So many comments at the bottom of this article, considering it's only be up a few hours.

Interesting that allegedly Conor O'shea rang SL, telling him not to resign......not sure how much truth there is on that comment (one of the first ones at the bottom)

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Andy1210 (IP Logged)
27/10/2015 14:11
Interesting article but ultimately contradicts itself by being pro Lancaster, pro review board composition but saying the fans need more respect and information in return for our loyalty and time.

I don't know a single fan (apart from one on this board) who wants Lancaster to stay on but it's virtually guaranteed due to the compromised members of the review panel. The majority were involved in SL's appointment and have publicly supported him, Farrel and Rowntree. Plankaster is immovable.

Some of the most interesting comments are around input from the Celtic nations too - McGeechan, O'Shea - and they are very valid too.

The aim of the RFU and Prem Rugby is purely to monetise the addicts - or more bluntly put, extract as much cash out of the die hard fans as possible as they will plough money in regardless of any return. Few organisations are so bluntly arrogant about their aims though.

And talking about disregard for loyal fans, how about this latest news that the L Irish v Sarracheats Prem fixture will be played in New York in March L Irish v Saracens set for New York



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Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
doctorkmt1 (IP Logged)
27/10/2015 14:37
new York? Would have thought Boston would have suited them better?

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Andy1210 (IP Logged)
27/10/2015 15:46
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doctorkmt1
new York? Would have thought Boston would have suited them better?

That was my first thought too.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Vespulavulgaris (IP Logged)
27/10/2015 16:05
The marketing company that will be paying Sarries' players for work they do that is completely unrelated to their playing of rugby is probably based there.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
cb@wasps (IP Logged)
27/10/2015 16:19
Don't normally do twitter but just noticed this

Brian Moore

Salary Cap. It gets worse. Not only were @premrugby threatened with litigation, there were also threats to sue clubs individually.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Raggs (IP Logged)
27/10/2015 16:44
Have a feeling, considering how much DR was against all this, and we came straight out with the statement, that Wasps may have been one of those.

Can you imagine the bad press a club would receive if they tried to sue Wasps though?

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
LeicesterSaint (IP Logged)
30/10/2015 11:19
It seems in the last few days all clubs have made statements via their DOR or chairmen, all except two that is.....

Surely the clubs trying to hide things can't sue the others for simply stating their innocence but it does rather neatly step around the confidentiality issue...

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Vespulavulgaris (IP Logged)
30/10/2015 11:40
Have Tigers and Falcons made statements? I've been told that Tigers did but couldn't find it. And Falcons had refused to make a statement for "confidentiality" reasons last I heard.

I'd be very happy indeed if they both did.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
JT (IP Logged)
30/10/2015 15:53
New to the forum itself but have enjoyed the banter for the last year or so. The salary cap cover-up has led to my first post (so forgive any errors).
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Tried a personal approach with an email to Mr McCafferty but - of course - got a Mail Delivery Subsystem' error message.

'Technical details of permanent failure' seemed to sum things up nicely!

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Vespulavulgaris (IP Logged)
30/10/2015 17:13
Welcome Jonnywasp, shame it took something like this to get your fingers on the keyboard.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Andy1210 (IP Logged)
30/10/2015 18:31
I keep getting emails to buy tickets for the cheats championship decider - the prem final 2016. Won't waste my time thanks it's tarnished!

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Heathen (IP Logged)
30/10/2015 19:10
Bath have issued a staement in which they say that they have not breached the salary cap.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
jonnydeane (IP Logged)
30/10/2015 19:44
Maybe sarries were the only club but they did it twice over!!!!

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Rob Smith (IP Logged)
30/10/2015 19:57
Hopefully Sarries will say, along with Bath, that everything is hunky dory and then there will be no reason for the PRL not to release full details to those annoying accessories.....the fans.

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Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Raggs (IP Logged)
30/10/2015 20:40
The whole point of the coverup is that no-one has broken the cap, and they can all claim to have not breached it.

What's important about these statements are the teams saying they haven't been investigated, or they are not one of the teams making settlements.

I think it's Sarries, Bath and Falcons that don't make these claims.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Lord grumpy (IP Logged)
30/10/2015 20:48
A legal definition of what comprises of salary within the cap is needed. I would think that weasel words & "get around clauses" will have been used. Is a club car included & are mortgage payments part of salaries. Until definitions of what's in & what's out are stated there will always be cheats!

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Raggs (IP Logged)
30/10/2015 20:56
Legality is the issue. The PRL put a cap in place, and have now chosen to break it in effect. There's nothing illegal (by way of the LAW of England) in that.

The cap wording was quite clear really, any payment made to the player or his family etc, that is made due to him playing at the club, no matter who pays it, should be included. A prime example is JJs pies, a great way to pay JJ extra cash, but if his pies are no longer for sale at the AP, then it's rather likely it was on the basis of him being a sarries player. The PRL contract itself stated that potential loopholes should be reported and not exploited.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Rob Smith (IP Logged)
30/10/2015 21:28
Raggs, it is absolutely not a legal issue. It is one of integrity, openness and honesty. A drugs cheat breaks no laws, simply breaks the agreed code enter into by all others taking part. Put simply, you shake hands, one sticks by the agreement the other don't - basically every principle the game is based upon.

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Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
StevieWasp (IP Logged)
30/10/2015 23:55
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Rob Smith
Raggs, it is absolutely not a legal issue. It is one of integrity, openness and honesty. A drugs cheat breaks no laws, simply breaks the agreed code enter into by all others taking part. Put simply, you shake hands, one sticks by the agreement the other don't - basically every principle the game is based upon.

Although everyone plays every game by breaking those rules and trying to get away with it

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
St Saltaire (IP Logged)
30/10/2015 23:59
I believe that the investigation was into the seasons preceding last season. Bath's statement cleverly relates to last season only.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
doog (IP Logged)
31/10/2015 08:46
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Heathen
Bath have issued a staement in which they say that they have not breached the salary cap.
They didn't say they weren't investigated though, and what about the 13-14 season, which is when the offences probably took place anyway? Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors...

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Rob Smith (IP Logged)
31/10/2015 11:38
Quote:
StevieWasp
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Rob Smith
Raggs, it is absolutely not a legal issue. It is one of integrity, openness and honesty. A drugs cheat breaks no laws, simply breaks the agreed code enter into by all others taking part. Put simply, you shake hands, one sticks by the agreement the other don't - basically every principle the game is based upon.

Although everyone plays every game by breaking those rules and trying to get away with it

Of course. But if you get caught you don't throw your toys around and phone your lawyer. You say sorry Sir, take the sanction on the chin and get on with it.

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@robsmithrugby

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
EightyMinutes (IP Logged)
31/10/2015 14:56
I like the idea put forward in The Times I believe that Saracens should in future have an asterisk placed after their name when talking about honours won to signify that their Premiership victory last year was in a discredited competition.

Not the greatest sanction of course but at least it has the merit of being truthful which is a pleasant change in this tawdry affair.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Danjester (IP Logged)
31/10/2015 15:42
Bath's statement omits the very necessary "We didn't enter in a confidential settlement with PRL", or words to that effect, that we made sure to clarify. This suggest that they DID sign a confidential settlement with PRL and seem to be guilty of exploiting loopholes, if not explicitly breaking the cap.

In any sport breaking the spirit of the rules is just as bad as breaking the letter of them, IMO.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
WaspieKev (IP Logged)
31/10/2015 15:55
They didnt prosper too well today!

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Raggs (IP Logged)
31/10/2015 20:41
Shame Sarries are storming on. From the amount I got to watch however, Farrell, George and Itoje all appeared very strong (only saw half the first half though), and I'm generally reluctant to praise Farrell.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
WaspieKev (IP Logged)
10/11/2015 14:08
So after failing to get Faletau, Barf have just signed David Denton from Edinburgh. Maybe not quite as high a profile but still pretty useful and probably not cheap. Don't help themselves really do they?

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Duckonstilts (IP Logged)
10/11/2015 15:47
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WaspieKev
So after failing to get Faletau, Barf have just signed David Denton from Edinburgh. Maybe not quite as high a profile but still pretty useful and probably not cheap. Don't help themselves really do they?

In fairness to the cheats, they did get a massive payment for Sam "Im a centre, honest" Burgess going back where he belongs.

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