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Quin Kong's look at the ELVs
By Quin Kong September 26 2008
OK with everyone talking about the Experimental Law Variations ( ELV0s) I thought I would take a look at what we've seen so far and see which ones are working and which are not in my opinion. I will just be looking at the 13 'universal' ELVs not the 33 'basket ball' ELVs that have been trialled in the Southern Hemisphere.
Law 6 - Match Officials

1. Assistant referees are able to assist the referee in any way that the referee requires.

Pros - It can only be a good thing that the old linesman takes a more active role.

Cons - Not relevant in lower leagues/amateur level. Maybe problem at the scrum which I'll come to later.

Solution - This is worth keeping and will benefit the game on the whole.

Law 17 - Maul

2 Remove reference to head and shoulders not being lower than hips.

3 Players are able to defend a maul by pulling it down.

Okay I'll deal with both of these together:

Pros - Legalises something that has been happening anyway in hopefully a safer manner, also removes (slightly) the debate of everyone being offside.

Cons - Obviously can be dangerous especially at the lower levels where there maybe only the referee and limited medical back-up.

Solution - Keep it on trial for a year or two at the professional level (Division 1 upwards) but not allowed at lower/amateur levels. The exception could be only allowing it if there are two assistant referees and a referee and adequate medical back-up.

Law 19 - Touch and Lineout

4 If a team puts the ball back into its own 22 and the ball is subsequently kicked directly into touch, there is no gain in ground.

Pros - Can produce more counter attacking play but only with certain changes in the line-out (more on this later).

Cons - In conjunction with the line-out can produce arial ping-pong which decreases(sp) the game as a spectacle.

Solution - Drop this law for the time being. It has come in too soon and the damage must be repaired in the game before it can be trialled again.

5 A quick throw in may be thrown in straight or towards the throwing team’s own goal line.

Pros - Can speed up the game, a common sense ELV (shock horror)

Cons - Can't see any.

Solution - Introduce (along with assistant referee) into the Laws

6 There is no restriction on the number of players from either team who can participate in the lineout.

Pros - Makes throwing far more of a skill. Gives advantage to the defending team on the whole.

Cons - direct cause of the arial ping-pong and reduces the variation on line-outs (two vital aspects for making the game an interesting spectacle).

Solution - drop as soon as possible as it dumbs down the game to a point where you might as well add a net across the center of the pitch as sides don't want to risk the throw-in. Instead use the assistant referee to help count numbers, position of receivers etc, after all you have just upgraded his job description.

7 The receiver at the lineout must be 2 metres away from the lineout.

Pros - makes it simpler to keep track of numbers in the line-out. Helps clarify what could be a murky area.

Cons - not great enough to see straight away.

Solution - trial for another year, but with signs looking like it should be added to law.

8 The player who is in opposition to the player throwing in the ball must stand in the area between the 5-metre line and the touch line but must be 2 metres away from the 5-metre line.

Pros - Again helps keep the numbers in the line-out clearer.

Cons - negated to a high degree by the unlimited numbers in the line-out.

Solution - Another strange ELV which seems to be most effective with limiting the numbers in the line-out. Worth keeping on trial.

9 Lineout players may pre-grip a jumper before the ball is thrown in.

Pros - It happens anyway.

Cons - For some the mere fact it's an ELV.

Solution - might as well add to the Laws.

10 The lifting of lineout players is permitted.

See above.

Law 20 - Scrum

11 Introduction of an offside line 5 metres behind the hindmost feet of the scrum.

Pros - speeds up play (more than expected).

Cons - Could lead to congestion in mid-field (yes I'm struggling with this one).

Solution - Keep on trialling. With the assistant referee on the blindside assisting with bindings. Even more radical could be the third match official watching the scrums on the blindside whilst the assistant referees keep an eye on the five metre rule.

12 Identification of scrum half offside lines.

Pros - Can speed up the game.

Cons - I still need more time to see how big an effect this could be.

Solution - Keep trialling.

Law 22 – Corner Posts

13 The corner posts are no longer considered to be touch-in-goal except when the ball is grounded against the post.

Pros - none that I have seen.

Cons - none that I have seen.

Solution - keep on trialling.


Lastly the IRB need to make sure there is standardised rulings of the current laws at the break down across the board SH as well NH.

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QK's look at the ELV's
Posted by: Quin Kong (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:25:14:21:33

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2008:09:26:10:02:42 by The Prof.

Re: QK's look at the ELV's
Posted by: DOK (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:25:14:41:44

Yeah I don't think there's much contentious in the 13 global ELVs. Remember these were cut down from 33 proposed changes, so these are what England, Ireland, Wales and Italy decided they could sensibly trial.

The only issues are sacking the maul, numbers in the line out and passing back to the 22. Gut feel at the moment is to drop all 3 and revert to current laws, but see how the season goes.

Re: QK's look at the ELV's
Posted by: Bish NO TEAM GB 2012 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:25:15:27:32

i would still like the free kick rule to come in but there must be certain criteria with it..for example if you are outside the ten metre line ...free kick ..anything inside this can be seen as an infringement done to possibly stop someone scoring then full penalty....particularily the rule about killing the ball . This seems to have been abused by the sh teams

Re: QK's look at the ELV's
Posted by: Quin Kong (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:25:15:35:35

I disagree in as far as it makes the break down a mess. If the point behind the ELV's is to make it a better spectacle then watching a load of bodies all over the place at each breakdown, and then a free kick taken in the middle of all these bodies is not a way of seeing or easily being able to follow whats happening. Messy, confusing and not what somebody new to the game would want to watch let alone longer term supporters.

It's a huge reason why I, and a number of other people it seems, have stopped watching Super 14 and the Tri-Nations.

Re: QK's look at the ELV's
Posted by: Bish NO TEAM GB 2012 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:25:15:50:33

i always disagreed that if you infringe ,say 5metres inside the oppos half , why should you be punished with three points, bause someone can kick the ball 70 metres. so when the new elv came in for this i was happy.However this has been abused by particularilt the NZ players who deliberately infringe all the time near to their own line which imho shown be a full arm pen.. so a little bit of common sense is needed on this one

Re: QK's look at the ELV's
Posted by: Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:26:08:44:36

I understand what your saying Bish, but the allies of the free kick rule (I'll never call it a short arm penalty), say the reason for it it to stop games being decided by penalty kick. Your rule wouldn't change this.

Personally I think that the team that cheats the most should lose, but that just me......

Re: Quin Kong's look at the ELVs
Posted by: DOK (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:26:10:23:04

I like the quick throw in change, but its unfair that the line out is not formed until two players from each side form up on the mark. It means the team with the ball can threaten a quick line out for as long as the referee's patience lasts.

I'd change the rule about forming up to two players from the team not taking the throw. When they're on the mark a quick line out cannot be taken.

Re: Quin Kong's look at the ELVs
Posted by: rodders1 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:26:10:55:54

Other than No 11 which I think is good, I see nothing that makes any improvement to the game - it all ends up as tinkering, just a waste of time - have the balls to scrap the lot other than 11

on on quins

Re: Quin Kong's look at the ELVs
Posted by: Battering Ram Winger (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:26:11:16:06

I think with with the South Africans coming out against the free kick rules and rumblings from NZ that they're not 100% behind it, those rules are dead, and a good thing too.

Re: Quin Kong's look at the ELVs
Posted by: The Prof (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:26:12:06:54

BRW: the other 20 elvs being used in the SH weren't ever going to be voted on as far as I can see. I believe the 13 that we have been using are the only ones that can be voted on in July. At least that is what I understood from the Quinssa ELV night

Re: Quin Kong's look at the ELVs
Posted by: Quin Kong (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:26:13:03:59

Rodders1- I may be wrong but isn't gripping and lifting in the lineout still against the Laws? By introducing it, it is only bringing the Laws in line with what is already accepted as the norm. I could be wrong of course!

Re: QK's look at the ELV's
Posted by: Quin Like Flint (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:26:14:27:32

Quote:
"bish"
this has been abused by particularilt the NZ players who deliberately infringe all the time near to their own line
(Sm22)

The bounders! Who could ever have predicted that lessening the punishment would increase the amount of cheating...(Sm16)

Re: Quin Kong's look at the ELVs
Posted by: Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:26:15:00:14

Interestingly I heard that originally it was intended that refs were supposed to be much more active in the use of yellow cards to prevent this extra cheating, but in the S14 warm up games so many players were being sent off the IRB revised this to try and prevent a farce......

Re: Quin Kong's look at the ELVs
Posted by: Battering Ram Winger (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:26:15:21:43

Quote:
The Prof
BRW: the other 20 elvs being used in the SH weren't ever going to be voted on as far as I can see. I believe the 13 that we have been using are the only ones that can be voted on in July. At least that is what I understood from the Quinssa ELV night

That's not the impression O'Neill is trying to give! He's grimly clinging on in there!

Re: Quin Kong's look at the ELVs
Posted by: Quin Like Flint (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:26:15:24:15

Riiiiight.....So, a few kicks ruin the game, but sending players off is just what we all want. Of course, sending people off willy nilly means more space for all that lovely running around that is the only part of rugby worth watching. I know! Let's have less players in the first place. How about 13? Sounds about right...

Re: Quin Kong's look at the ELVs
Posted by: Battering Ram Winger (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:26:15:28:31

Hell, why not 7? Plenty of space!

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