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Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview

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By Miss Northampton Saints November 15 2007
Well, here it is, my very first match preview. After reading Red Saint's against Exeter and seeing how much controversy that caused I did begin to have second thoughts. However, I am a woman of my word so I will do my best and leave you, dear reader, to be the judge of how well/badly I did previewing the game against the team from the city where I spent the first 18 years of my life.

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Nottingham, or Snotengaham as my history teacher delighted in telling us was its Saxon name mentioned in the Doomsday book, is a city famous for its lace, its Castle, the world famous goose fair, the oldest inn in Britain (Ye Olde trip to Jerusalem – well worth a visit) and Robin Hood (however much other places try to claim him!) In sporting terms Nottinghamshire has quite a good pedigree too, boasting 2 football teams, (Nottingham Forest winner of back to back European cups and Notts County – the oldest team in the league) a world class cricket ground in Trent Bridge, Nottingham Panthers ice hockey, the home of the Nottingham open tennis and the Robin Hood marathon, and not forgetting Holme Pierrepont the water sports centre. Nottingham is the place that boasts stars such as Brian Clough, Stuart Pearce and Torville and Dean. It is in the midst of this sporting array we find Nottingham Rugby.

Pay attention at the back now as we are going to do some history and I don’t want to have to give out detentions! The club was established in around 1877 by Alexander Birkin after returning from Rugby School where he was introduced to the sport. The Birkin family later purchased the land at Ireland Avenue that would be the home of the club until 2006 when a compulsory purchase order meant that Nottingham had to move. Currently they have facilities in West Bridgeford but the first team play their matches at Meadow Lane, the home of Notts County FC. Nottingham are still a traditional style club with seconds teams, academy, colts, juniors and minis. Until the advent of professionalism Nottingham were a big club which could be said to have had its best times in the 1980’s when legend says (OK actually my dad says, but it is the same thing really) that Nottingham rugby had quite a big following, Contrast this to now where they have an average gate of around a thousand supporters this season and Saints could feel that they are at a home game as we are expected to take about 1500 to 2000 ourselves.

In their heyday Nottingham could boast players such as Neil Back, Rob Andrew and Dusty Hare who scored 1578 points for the club from 166 appearances and then went on to be a record points scorer for the Leicester Tigers. Also on their list of former players is their only British Lion to date in Brian “the Pitbull” Moore, but for us Saintly ones the most notable is one D. West who played from 1990 – 1995 playing in 89 games and scoring 17 tries, including one against Saints in Dec 94.

In more recent history, Nottingham were promoted from National Division 2 along with Sedgely Park at the end of the 2003/04 season and have been fighting it out in Division 1 ever since. In their 3 seasons in the division they have had final placings of 11th, 7th and 9th. This year however is seeing them really push to get into the group of teams who are challenging for the premiership.

If there are any of you out there who are thinking that Nottingham will be a bit of a pushover, I urge you to think again. They are 4th in the league at the moment and that is no fluke.  The Green and Whites have lost only 3 games this season and have come out of each of those with a losing bonus and one of them with a try bonus as well. Their last 6 games have produced wins, four of which have been bonus point wins. In fact, along with Doncaster they are the next highest try bonus point takers to Saints with 6 so far this season.

The style of rugby that Nottingham play is very forward orientated. They are strong in the lineout and scrum and our forwards, who have been spoken about as being under strength in the last few matches, will really have to be on their game. I think that we are really going to miss Damo’s ballast effect in this game. The rolling mall is also somewhat of a speciallity for the Notts boys. If I were to tell you that 63% of their tries this season have come from the forwards and only 36% from the backs (I know that doesn’t add up to 100, they had a penalty try too)  If you compare this to our own figures of 65% of tries coming from our backs and 35% from the forwards you can see that the styles which the two teams play are as far away from each other as they could be. It will be a case of our backs against their forwards and Saints would do well not to get sucked in to Nottinghams gameplan.

Nottingham take very seriously the legend of Robin Hood Which can be seen by the fact that their top try scorer is the Sherriff of Nottingham. Ooops my mistake, it is openside flanker Luke Sherriff of Nottingham! (Sorry, couldn’t resist that one) He has scored twice the amount of his nearest rival for the top try scorers and has only started 6 games this season. Fortunatly for Saints (though very unfortunatly for him) we will not have to contend with him in the match as he is currently out injured with quite a bad knee injury.

So, that is Nottingham’s form coming into the game. What about Saints?

Saints perfect record came to an end on Saturday against Exeter where we narrowly (just pass the ball out Foxy and Ash is in) missed getting the 4 try bonus point. It should be remembered though that up until Saturday Exeter had the best defensive record in the league (They now share that with us) so that is no disgrace, the “unbeaten in this league” record is still the Saints for the taking. Saints have also managed to have still not conceded a bonus point in any of their matches this season, Throw into the mix that Nottingham have left every game with at least a point and we have a record to be broken, question is, whose? I believe that the Saints biggest enemy could be complacency and there is no room for that against a team like Nottingham, this game could be as defining a game as last week at Exeter.

So to the teams. Like Jim Mallinder, Glenn Delaney, Nottinghams DOR, likes to leave the naming of his team until about 10 minutes after play has started! (Come on guys give a girl some slack and get them out early, it is my first preview you know) Because of this I have just made it up, kind of names from a hat type thing. Here are the teams that I would predict for the match:

Nottingham                                               Northampton                          

15 Rohaan Nirmalendran                            15 Carlos Spencer

14 Greig Tonks                                         14 Chris Ashton

13 Matt Smith                                           13 Jon Clarke

12 Tim Molenaar                                       12 James Downey

11 Alex Dodge                                          11 Bruce Reihana

10 Ben Thompson                                     10 Barry Everitt

9  Tim Usazz                                             9  Mark Robinson

1  Nigel Hall                                              1  Tom Smith

2  Joe Duffey                                            2  Dylan Hartley

3  Ryan Hopkins                                        3  Euan Murray

4  Sam Raven                                           4  Alex Rae

5  Nic Rouse                                             5  Christian Short

6  Tim Stannard                                        6  Paul Tupai

7  Craig Hammond                                    7  Darren Fox

8  Dan Montagu                                         8  Mark Easter

For our bench I could see us doing what we did at Exeter last week and having a very forward based bench as Nottingham will really work our forwards. Emms may well have played his way into that after his performance for the Wandies on Monday. As for my one to watch, I don’t really have a one to watch from their team, it will be watch the forwards!

The Saints have only been beaten by Nottingham once in their last 8 meetings and that was back in the 91/2 season so Saints have the momentum from past meetings, although they had beaten us for the 10 meetings before that!

Now for my predictions. I think that the grounds will still be hard which will favour the running style of our backs over the sheer grunt of Nottinghams forwards, plus the fact that I think that our forwards will have a point to prove after the criticism of the last couple of weeks, Saints should win. I predict 41  20 to the Saints. I also predict that after the match my Mum will have cooked tea for me! (Unfortunately, you can’t all come. When I said to Mum that I would bring everyone round she told me that she wouldn’t have enough cutlery!! Sorry!)

So for those planning the short trip up the M1 we should be in for a very good game. For those who are not planning to come up there is still time to change your mind. If it is your wife that needs pursuading you could always tempt her by saying that she can do some christmas shopping in the hoards of shops while you are at the match (Don’t worry, it won’t cost you too much, shops  close at 4 on a Sunday but she doesn’t need to know that!!!) Also a quick reminder to those who are coming, The KO is at 3 and not, as advertised on the offy, 2.30. For me it is going to be a bitter sweet trip as my Gramps (a lifelong Notts County fan) is burried in the corner flag and it will be the first time that I have been there since then, however, Saints should think themselves lucky that my family didn’t take me seriously when I said that we should have burried him in the centre spot and erected a headstone! He would have been supporting Notts but I will be happier at the end if Saints trounce those boys from my home town, the people of Snot!

 

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Phil. (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:00:47:17

Guys and gals, this is MNS's first ever article for ComeOnYouSaints.com.

Lots of feedback, please.



Thank you, T, it's great read! (Sm13)

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: hoddros (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:05:20:29

MNS - A very pleasant read thank you.

I'm really looking forward to the game. The last time I went to Meadow Lane was in 1984 when Andy Gray slid through the mud to score for Everton with a diving header in the quarter final of the FA Cup. Back then, the Cup meant something and Everton went on to win it that season and a few years of success followed. Hopefully that will be repeated with the Saints.

Tell your mum that I don't take too much milk in my tea, and that Mrs Hoddros prefers cream with her scones please.

Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: St Marlowe (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:06:27:07

MNS - a great job, thank you.(unlike hoddros, I prefer a little more milk in my tea, and tell your mum I will bring the jam)

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Saint Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:06:43:17

Well done MNS.

A cream tea afterwards sounds lovely - as long as it isn't snot sarnies!

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: smurfomatic (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:06:44:50

Great preview MNS. I can bring my own cutlery if your Mum doesn't mind.

I hope some of that Nottingham team play at the Gardens, Geiff Allen will have great fun pronouncing some of those!

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: StBleach (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:06:46:41

Good job - enjoyed reading you preview - look forward to the next one.

Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Chris Hoddle (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:06:50:44

Really good read
Last tie I went to there was to see the Cobblers lose 1 0 in Div 4. THere were 21000 there. I went on a specal train.

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Hintonsaint (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:07:33:12

Really enjoyed reading your preview MNS. (Sm152)

Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: ChrisG (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:07:51:05

Very good stuff m'duck.

Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: ClaireJ (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:08:03:28

Great read - brings back many memories of a fine city. Dr T read both his first degree and doctorate at Nottingham so I know the place well.

As for British Lions, I think a certain Rob Andrew also played for Nottingham and was on the Lions tour in 1989. He also shared a house with Pitbull which must have been an experience. (Sm13)

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: RedSaint (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:08:35:44

An excellent preview Miss Northampton Saints - very well written, comprehensive, and knowledgeable (if missing a few Lawrence Dallaglio similes, but as it's your first go, we'll let you off...!).

For those on the site who haven't done a preview before and are considering doing so - this proves what you can do when you put your mind to it. It once again shows that the strength of the site is its contributors.

Through a freak occurance there could have been RedSaintly representation at this game, but the Sunday date scuppered it, so you don't have to worry about Чай (or sushi) for me...

MNS, I hope this isn't your last preview for COYSDC, it made having to trudge through a foot of snow for the best of an hour to get to work this morning worthwhile.

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: shendy (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:08:56:59

A good preview, and it should act as encouragement for others to have a go.

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Casual Saint (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:09:01:24

An exellent read MNS, plenty more please !

Brings back happy memories of my student days in Nottingham, although at the time I had passed to the dark side and was playing and watching football ... but I'm better now !

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Beef (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:09:12:22

Good stuff MNS - I like my tea nice and strong with a drop of Jamesons in it please.

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Howlin (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:09:44:25

Great preview, always interesting to discover the illustrious history some of our ND1 opponents have.I am now determined to go on Sunday. Just one thing>>

Quote:
Come on guys cut a girl some slack and get them out early..

Not quite sure how to interpret that (Sm100)

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: OLdPete (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:09:52:05

excellent MNS - one of the best i have read

Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Shaddo (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:09:53:05

Excellent preview MNS - there is no substitute for thorough research.
Looking forward to your first match report. Can't make the game due to work commitments, so if your mum wouldn't mind delivering my tea to Brackmills, I'd be grateful. I'll have a word with security so she can get into the car park.

Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: eb13saint (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:09:57:05

Excellent preview MNS!

Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: BrianB (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:10:04:13

I read it three times now and cannot find anything controversial.Can you write it again please?(Sm122)winking smiley

Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Connorman (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:10:10:55

Yes, it's so much better than the bombastic, arrogant drivel we were served up by RedSaint (oops, sorry, I had just morphed into a denison of the ND1 message board)....

Great stuff, MNS, thank you.

ps Earl Grey, dash of milk. And orange juice for the little Connormen, please.

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Posted by: barfly2006 (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:10:13:57

Stats a go-go!

Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: St.Rich Joe, Niamh and Sam's Dad (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:10:20:48

I think that's as good as anything our veteran previewers can produce. Well done MNS, you're still a diamond.

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Stockers (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:10:27:35

That really is very good MNS. Great research. How about Chris Ashton running in his hat trick in your Gramps' Corner?

Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Ian Spokes (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:10:48:59

Very good work MNS, thanks and congratulations.

Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Wee Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:11:10:11

An excellent preview - one of the best yet this season. Agree that post exeter complacency could be our biggest enemy and that the forwards will have to do a holding action and not get sucked into a battle up front.
Please write another one in the not too distant future and give your Mum my apologies - I cant make it to the matcha and will miss the post match tea :-)

Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Saint Dom (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:11:16:07

A really comprehensive preview, which whets the appetite - for tea as well...

Wasn't Birkin a character in (Nottingham-born) D. H. Lawrence's Sons & Lovers too?

Let's hope the team you've suggested is the team that is picked: I think it would be the one to do the job.



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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Flinstone Saint (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:11:43:35

Nice one MNS. Looking forward to the game even more now. And I too would love to see that Saints team run out on Sunday.

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Big Bird © (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:13:23:07

Very good read

Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: BerniesBestFriend (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:13:31:56

Excellent...well done...if we lose then it'll be my fault as we'll missing only our second game, home or away, in 4 years on Sunday!..must find internet access asap where we're going!!!

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Miss Northampton Saints (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:19:36:57

You lot will be getting me into trouble if you all turn up round at my Mums for tea though, She will be giving me a clip round the ear for that!!

Thank you for all the lovely comments, it was nice to get home from a tough day at work to read those nice things.

ClaireJ, you are right about Rob Andrew being a Lion but Brian Moore is the only one who was playing for Nottingham at the time he went away with the Lions. There may be others as well that those more knowledgeable than me would be able to point out.

Shaddo, Mum doesn't drive so could you get clearance for Dad to bring you your tea instead??

Brian B, I am impressed that you are still awake after you have read it 3 times!

Howlin, that is very rude! (Sm29) As if I could have meant anything rude!

Barfly, you know me. I love my stats, I did try not to put in too many.

Stockers, there is nothing I would like more (except maybe a different player(Sm151))

Little Jim, I'll give my mum your apologies!

With feedback like that I might be tempted to do another preview at some point but I don't think that I would be up to doing a match report, I just get too involved in the match and would never write anything down!!

Thank you all again.

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Biggysaint (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:15:20:41:43

Great read MNS. Really whets the appetite for the trip to the northern outpost of the east Midlands.

From my student days in the fair city we always understood that DN Lawrence hailed from Eastwood - a dump of a place just NW of Snotingham.

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: ballagher (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:16:21:55:57

Well here's me thinking I'll know a bit more about Nottingham than most as I lived there for 3 years as a student. Now it turns out half the board did likewise. (Hippo went to the Poly / Uni twice btw.)

MNS - one day we'll meet and I shall tell you in person what a marvellous addition to the board the likes of you and Flinstone and eb13 (Emma?) you have been. In the meantime, well done on a top rank preview.

And I echo Redsaint's comments re others having a go.

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Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: eb13saint (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:17:01:21:52

Aww, thanks Ballagher! (Emma is right, btw). It's nice to be part of such a friendly bunch. Although I don't know many of you 'in real life,' it's great knowing that there are lots of people out there who are going through the same rugby related things as me every week!

Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: greenandwhitetiger (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:17:09:16:43

MNS

Excellent preview but you spell Bridgford without an e. Locally it's as bad as calling Forest "Notts Forest".
Whilst you are absolutely correct in that our forwards have dominated games this season, we are by no means a one trick pony. Our backs contain one of the top 3 centres in the league in Tim Molenaar, Matt Smith who played in the first 2 prem games this season for Leicester and Alex Dodge who has a fine pedigree. And Rohaan Nirmalendran is a bit of a Jason Robinson - give him space to run from full back at your peril.

Hope you enjoy the day, and the tea at your mums celebrating a home town victory. It's bad enough losing supporters to Tigers but Northampton.......???!!!!!!

Re: Nottingham vs Northampton Saints: Preview
Posted by: Miss Northampton Saints (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:11:19:00:26:07

Sorry Greenandwhitetiger. I do know about the West Bridgford thing as well as my aunt lived there for years, and being a Forest fan I know about the "Notts" Forest annoyance. I have to say though that I was never a Nottingham Rugby fan as unlike football and cricket I wasn't into the club game (only internationals) until I moved here to Northampton which is why I am a Saints supporter but I have followed Nottingham with a keen interest for some time now and would say that I do have a soft spot for them but when it comes to them playing Saints there is no competition about who I would be supporting.

I didn't mean to suggest that Notts were 1 trick ponies either,I apologise if it came over like that, I just felt that the bigest threat to us on the day would be the forwards and that we would be able to contain the backs, which did prove to be the case.

Ballagher, Thanks for the lovely comment. I know woefully few people from the board and it would be good to meet some more and put faces to names (or rather nicknames). I worried when I had agreed to do the preview that I wouldn't be able to do it justice (especially after following Red saints from the week before) It is hard to know how what you have done will be recieved but all the lovely comments have made me think that maybe I could do another one at some point and I would encourage others who havent done one to give it a go.

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