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Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?

James Bramhall
By Howlin'
July 25 2008
These are truly the dog days. Or is it the dog day afternoons ? I am really not that sure. But what I do know is that we are now entering the rugby doldrums.For us privileged few (or is that gullible few) Sky TV is still offering the Tri nations and the Currie cup, but boy does that feel like scraping the barrel.

Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?

 

I simply cannot find any spice (geddit) in the South African competition especially with all their international players doing the TRI nations thing. That has my minor interest, but is only once a week at some strange time on a Saturday and even then watching the same teams play each other over and over again has limited interest, even to this rugby nut.


Even the sanctuary of this message board is filled with threads lamenting the change in shirt, the lack of future fixture announcements and wailing because season tickets that not even needed yet have not arrived; all sorts of detritus apart from actual rugby ! Lord give me strength !


So what does a man do ? Not being one for gardening or DIY, I also tire of sitting in the sun reading a book. I need my rugby. Its weeks until life starts again so desperation sets in.


So I put the joint of beef into the oven (feeds 4-6 people they reckon. See even Tesco don't understand rugby folk. I eat all this plus masses of mashed potato and veg and four yorkshire puddings, sink a bottle of red wine followed by a bowl of half price "Derbyshire" strawberries and cream and I'm still bloody hungry !) and settle down to watch .......................................................

The Heinekin, Heinikin, Hinikin, hini...well you get the idea, the european cup final in the year of our lord 2000. There's something very special about that year.


Now firstly for the uninitiated, or those with not very good memories, this is being televised by the good old BBC. Now the half time panel of some Irish bloke and persil boy are as bad as anything we get now but, and this is a big but ( almost as big as Jo Brands Butt) the commentary was a class apart. It was the great Bill McClaren. Bill loves the game, and it comes across with every word. Instead of the supercilious comment , the berating, or the "I know something you don't know", Bill actually comments on the game. He tells you what's happening, with humour, and with a vast knowledge of not only the laws and appreciation of the spirit of rugby but also the height and weight of the players, what club they play for, how many tries they have scored this season (and aye that's none to shabby for a prop) and their international status, including A team representation. And all done in lapses in play, totally unobtrusively, which simply adds to your understanding of the event unfolding in front of you and your depth of rugby knowledge when it ends. Bill McClaren is to Stuart Barnes as a glass of Chateau Rothschild is to a bottle of flat coca cola. "Whenever Keith Wood gets the ball, there's a bit of the Tally ho about him" in a tone of voice with a smile in it. Anyway more of that later.


Here it was the fifth European cup final, the first without a French team (thanks Bill). Munster had beaten Stade Francais in the quarter finals and the mighty Toulouse in the semi (thanks again Bill)  and Saints had vanquished Wasps in the quarter final and fought a mighty battle with Llannelli in the semi, the image of a one armed Pat Lam shouting from the sidelines forever etched in memory.


The match was watched by a then record crowd for a "domestic" game of 66,460 including seven plane loads of Munster supporters ( thanks again Bill) and Persil boy said he had never experienced an atmosphere like it at Twickenham. Of the thirty starters there were twenty one internationally capped players (Yep Bill again)The stage was set.


Saints side had a bit of a makeshift feel to it. Having fought on all three fronts that season, the league title had slipped away and the Tetley Bitter cup final had been lost to Wasps two weeks before. Injury ravaged and tired this was their last chance of glory. As the media reminded us Saints were the nearly team, 120 years or thereabouts with no trophies in the cabinet.


The front row looked good, Stewart, Mendez and Pagel (the young Steve Walter never got on and Scelzco had a brief stint late in the game), the engine room was not first choice. The mighty Tim stepped in at the waning of his career taking a spot in the second row as his pace had diminished. He was to have an imperious game in the lineout. He was partnered by Andy Newman, again far from first choice and soon to leave the club unwanted.  On the flanks we had the incomparable Budge and the oft forgotten Don McKinnon (born in Australia but with the experience of 6 caps for Scotland A..yes you guessed it Bill again)  At number eight was possibly the most influencial player in recent times for the Saints (both with what he achieved and his involvement in bringing Andy Blowers to the club to replace him), Pat Lam, and what a game he had.


At scrum half Dom Malone replacing imo one of Saints (and England's) all time greats Matt Dawson who was injured. Now Malone had a great game but I can't help feeling that , with all the possession that Saints pack provided, Daws at scrum half and Grays at ten would have fired the backline and dominated territory far better than Doms partnership with Ali Hepher, which stuttered now and then, and Saints would have won the game far more comfortably.


But it wasn't to be as with Beale injured , Grays was at fullback, which, while adding his kicking prowess to the side really dimished its ability to defend deep and counter attack effectively. Allen and Bateman made up the midfield and Moir and the twenty one year old Ben Cohen were on the wings. For all those who believe you can't throw in young players Cohen had already played for England five times with five tries under his belt (you guessed it Bill again. Now come on has Barnes passed on this much info in all the time he has been commentating, let alone in one match ?)


Well despite the sticking plaster look of the team, Saints triumphed. There were some outstanding individual performances. Despite the constant references to the "mighty" Saints pack Munster were actually heavier. Saints however dominated the scrum. Munster scored the only try but imo Saints deserved their victory. Another fact that many appear to overlook (thinking that O'Gara blew the game)  is that both Grays and O'Gara missed two penalty attempts in the second half. Grays last effort looked the easiest too. Just goes to show how bad the conditions were by then. The rain was teeming down and the wind was swirling. There were only three points scored in that second half and Saints spent over thirty minutes defending a one point lead (although a lot of this was spent on the attack).


In the words of the commentators it was not a spectacular match, but it was a fiercely contested and compelling one and I recommend  to all of you, dig it out if you have a copy and spend an evening living the memory of probably our clubs finest hour to date. It is a great antedote for these dog days and nights.


And finally Bill again. I wonder, before you read this, how many of you could have answered the question , who came on as substitute scrum half for Saints and played the last ten minutes of the European cup final in 2000 ? Bill McClaren was not phased when he came on "ah, as we suspected on for Dominic Malone, here comes James Bramhall out of the Northampton School for Boys." I wonder what he's doing now ? Quite ironically, with all the recent gnashing of teeth over experience in the scrum half position at Saints, he went to Sale in 2001. Last I saw he was captain at Manchester, he may still be there. But wherever he is somewhere in his home he
has something that you and I can only dream of, a European Cup winners medal.



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Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: ComeOnYouSaints.com (IP Logged)
Date: 24/07/2008 23:08

Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: St Francis (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 04:58

Great writing. Thanks Howlin.

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Chris B (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 07:14

Superb! A thoroughly enjoyable read.


Now, does anybody have a copy of the game on DVD they'd care to share with me?

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Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: St Owen (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 07:39

Ditto!

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Ian Spokes (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 07:57

Very good Malcom, thanks.

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: LaurieK (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 08:34

I don't need to watch it now. You have described it beautifully. Great stuff and thanks.

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: eb13saint (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 08:45

Great stuff - some of that day is with me like it was yesterday, other things I've forgotten completely (like the weather).

I'm not looking forward to the start of the season knowing how much food you've been eating Howlin'!

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Stockers (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 08:49

Excellent Malc. Makes me want to watch the recording all over again.

Do you know, I couldn't tell you it was raining during the game, other emotions must have squeezed that out of my memory of that day!

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: broonie (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 09:46

thanks malcolm,really enjoyed that, very well written .

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: StBleach (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 09:47

Feeling a bit maudling are we Malcom?... No, seriously, great read my friend and excellent memories.. Nice one

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Hintonsaint (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 10:02

(Sm152) Well for me that has to been the most enjoyable piece on the front page I have read this year. Bravo.

Oh, and if anyone has a copy of said game I would gladly make a contribution to the COYSDC BHF funds.

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Saint Swill (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 10:16

Good stuff, Howlin - my compliments to you.

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: St.Rich Joe, Niamh and Sam's Dad (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 11:28

Good stuff but nonsense though...Munster lost because Richard Harris and Peter O' Toole were in the crowd

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Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: ChrisG (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 11:43

I'm just wondering what young Mr Bramhall calls himself now.
He was Jamie then James then Jim when he was with us.
No doubt somewhere theres a man now called Jambo with No.9 on his back.

Oh and a good read Malcolm.

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: SaintsDuncan (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 11:47

I'd like to echo the above.

Great read and if any one is dishing out copies of said vid/dvd can I have one too please?

As an aside and prompted by the references to The Great Bill McLaren I've just read his autobiography. Thoroughly enjoyable it is too.

There's even a picture of one of his "crib sheets" from where he would pluck the little nuggets of information. The man was an absolute professional and (in my opinion) is sorely missed.

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: smurfomatic (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 11:50

Well writted Malc.

As for the Bramhall situation - he's still the boss at Manchester:

Dave Baldwin has retained the services of many of the previous seasons players. Captain Bramhall is his usually witty self and has signed on for another year.

And on the DVD of HC 2000, I can provide copies to those interested...

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Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Eif Jones (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 11:55

Actually, ChrisG I've known 'Jimmie' Bramhall and his family through rugby since he and my son were 10. To us, he has been Jimmie in all that time. He is now settled in the North West of England, and his parents and brother have all moved North. He played in the lower ND leagues for Manchester for a while.

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Howlin (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 11:58

Wow, thanks for the kind comments everyone. And Rich that's my one regret with the recording I have; I wish I had been able to record Peter O'Toole and Richard Harris in the build up. In those days I recorded it to video tape and had to start the recording at kick off due to the length (or shortness of the tape) in fact It runs out before the presentation of the cup anyway, which I have to rely on the "official copy" for.

Saint til I die

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: SaintsDuncan (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 12:03

I'm definitely interested Smurf.

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Shaddo (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 12:14

Howlin, you're a star. I was wracking my brains at work last night trying to remember who was on the opposite wing to Cohen in that game, so you've not only written an excellent article, but saved me ploughing through Google. I, too had forgotten, that it rained that afternoon, despite having watched the official video many times.
i do remember, however, turning to my mate after Grays made it 9-8 and saying: "All we have to do now is hang on for the final whistle".
Thanks again

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Chris B (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 12:56

Quote:
smurfomatic
And on the DVD of HC 2000, I can provide copies to those interested...

Oh, yes please. Monday?

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Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Wee Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 13:26

Excellent read! Positively champing at the bit now.

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: oddshapedballs (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 14:26

Wonderful!

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Gras Albert (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 14:57

Top Job Howlin, 2 or 3 larf out loud moments

James Bramhall

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Hintonsaint (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 15:27

Yes Please Smurf.

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Bob Stainsby (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 16:26

Smashing Malcolm well penned sir! Ahh takes one back the team held togther with sticky and plasters Pat lams utter determination, Batemans magic and Pagels bloody minded nuisance making superb. I do also miss Bill Mclaren a unique talented commentator

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Christy (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 17:45

thanks Howling - I'm afraid most of what I can remember of that day is the tension until the whistle blew (tho I can remember bits, like Pat Lam playing with one arm, wonder why that stuck in my memory?) and then the crowd going absolutely ballistic when Saints won - grown men crying in the stands, etc etc. oh, and how friendly the Munster supporters were, bringing bands with them and enjoying themselves, despite the result.

I don't think I could name even half the Saints team for the match. I'll have to see if I've still got the video somewhere, although I'm worried if I watch the match again this time Munster will win!!

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Flinstone Saint (IP Logged)
Date: 25/07/2008 21:30

Absolutely crackin, Howlin. Made the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end, that did.

Smurf - if you are doing copies, please, please add me in to the order list. You'll be my bestest friend ever. Honest!

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: St.Rich Joe, Niamh and Sam's Dad (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2008 07:22

That's me too Christy apart from I don't think I could forget the 15 that day. It's etched on my memory for ever.

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Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: ClaireJ (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2008 09:04

Yes please Smurf.(Sm13)

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: SAINT_aitch (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2008 14:42

Lovely piece of script there Howlin. Well done.

Smurf - Put me on your list for a copy on CD please.

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: white lion (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2008 19:06

I used to teach James Bramhall at Abington Vale Middle School so maybe I'm a bit biased but the question must be asked: did the Saints really capitalise on Jamie's talents? He was strong, he was fast and I always felt he had a good rugby brain - and yet his opportunities at the Gardens were very limited. He was of course competing with some pretty talented players; a certain Matthew James Sutherland Dawson comes to mind, but will he go down as one that got away? I think so but, as I say, I'm biased.



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Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Sometime lurker (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2008 21:11

White Lion - you most likely taught me then as well - I was a year ahead of James Bramhall at Abington Vale....

Didn't have a quarter of his talent though

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Lloydie (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2008 07:23

Smurf - would love a copy of the DVD please mate

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: white lion (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2008 14:16

Sometime lurker: neither did I. The best I could manage was Northampton Mens Own. Happy days though.

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: St Owen (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2008 11:49

Yes please smurf. I will happily cover costs, and echo Hintonsaints' sentiments re the COYS BHF.

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: billy fourtries (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2008 13:00

james bramhall has recently left manchester and is now playing for lowly rossendale! fact!

and i've worn his european cup winners medal!

Re: Whatever Happened to James Bramhall?
Posted by: Mick Barnes (IP Logged)
Date: 19/03/2009 03:07

Dear sir, in answer to your first(and final) question I'm(although you may not be...?) pleased to tell you the whereabouts of the elusive Bramhall J. He's currently playing rugby at Rossendale(North 2 West) and being "groomed" for the role of head coach for the 2010/11 season when the current incumbent returns to the Deep South - NZ.(Sm56) Hope this keeps you up to date in your "grail Quest"

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