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Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?

Blues to beat Gloucester?
By Andrew Collins
October 13 2008
With 6 days to go until Cardiff Blues take on Gloucester at the Millennium Stadium, I take a look back at our form to date, through the early poor Magner’s League, disappointing EDF Cup against Sale, and of course last week’s 8 try demolition of Calvisano.

Leinster, Ospreys and Ulster

The first three games of the season saw Dai Young pit his wits against the three previous Magner's League Champions, in the first six days of the new season. It was always going to be a very tough ask, but I doubt there were many fans pleased with the form following the opening week.

Leinster came to the Arms Park as Champions, and having done the double over the Blues last season, but were certainly outclassed by a tactically spot on home side. But despite Cardiff's superior territory and possession, they looked short of ideas when in the Irish twenty-two, and only had the one try through Ben Blair. Inevitably, when you don't finish sides off, they come back and get a try out of nowhere, and that's exactly what happened. Mustoe's knock on from an up and under was probably the only defensive mistake we made all match, but it cost us dearly, as the match ended 16 all.

Three days later, Young controversially chose a second string team to travel to the Liberty stadium, and despite holding their own for the entire first half, the Blues caved and conceded four tries as the Ospreys ran riot against our woeful back line. Whether this should be considered when reviewing the Blues form, as it was a shadow of the side that will walk onto the Welsh National pitch on Sunday, but I believe it should. After the match, feeling around the region has been poor, and that lack of confidence exuded itself the week later at Ulster, and debatably again against Sale. Either way, the match went down in the record books as a 31-10 loss.

When Ulster arrived at the Arms Park, the mood was tense, both on the pitch and in the stands. The Blues play was, well poor at best. Without wishing to dwell too long on their embarrassing performance, they scraped a 16-15 win after Ben Blair's penalty went in via the right post.

It was not a good start to the final year at the famous old ground, confidence was low and there were rumours of a behind-the-scenes bust up. September had not been going well.

Munster and Connacht

I for one was no looking forwards to this one. Having put over fifty points on the Dragons the week before, a trip to the European Champions, with their first team out, was not the fixture Dai Young will have wished for. But remarkably, the boys restored real pride in the jersey, with a performance that was inches away from a bonus point. However, Ben Blair missed an absolute sitter in front of the posts with the final touch of the match, and so we came home with nothing.

Perhaps it was the players redeeming themselves, maybe Conncaht really were that woeful, either way Cardiff recorded a highly satisfactory 58-0 win, scoring nine tries in the process. It was exactly what the Blues needed after an insanely difficult start to the season, a confidence boosting assault, without conceding a single point. Admittedly Connacht played like amateurs, they lacked defensive discipline and creativity going forwards, but as the saying goes, you can only beat what you're up against, and the Blues did that in spectacular fashion.

Sale

The EDF Cup match against Sale was a tough match for Cardiff to ever come out of looking good. Sale had put out a second string side, and the Blues were still lacking confidence, the pressure was put entirely on the visitors, and they didn't respond well. Dai Young was furious after the match, he like the rest of us was disappointed with the performance, although much like the Ulster game just two weeks before, they did scrape the win.

Despite the criticism after the match, it was an away win against a squad who had not conceded a try in the entire month of September, and they fought back well in the second half to take the victory. Performance or no performance it was a win all the same.

Calvisano

The first half display was little more than ok, but clearly a passionate half time team talk turned the game on its head as the Blues ran out 56-20 winners, scoring a record 8 tries against the Italians. It was certainly a very promising display, combining the generally solid defence from this season so far, with the attacking play of last year under Howley. It was the perfect start to the Heineken Cup campaign, registering a bonus for scoring 4 tries, plus it all adds up in the try's scored column, which could be the difference between a home and away draw come the Quarter Finals should we qualify.

So the form has been poor in general, but perhaps the most pleasing performance came away at Munster, while even the home match with Leinster was encouraging at least, but Gloucester will be something else altogether.

The Blues last home loss was way back on 4th January, when Edinburgh turned the Blues over, 11-10. That would be a highly encouraging, if the match was taking park at the Arms Park, but our record at next door, isn't quite as promising.

Blues Next Door

Our record at the Millennium Stadium began well, when 15,372 fans, a Magner's League record attendance, saw the Blues prevail 40-31 in a thrilling game against Leinster. But unfortunately, that record didn't last. The second appearance was in a much similar situation as next weekend, when Leicester beat 14 man Blues, Gary Powell having been sent off for a head butt, 17-21. The final match was there 2 seasons ago, when The Ospreys won the EDF Quarter Final match 27-10.

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Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: theArmsPark.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 13/10/2008 16:04

Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?

Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: Rust Sef (IP Logged)
Date: 13/10/2008 19:28

Cardiffblues.com

Speaking ahead of the match Cardiff Blues Captain Paul [/b]@#$%&[b] said. “It was important for us to get a big win out in Italy and set us up nicely for this weekend.

They obviously dont like our new captain as much as the crowd seem to!!!!(Sm100)

Blues win for me, didnt see the GloucestervBiaritz match but ive heard it was nothing to get excited about

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Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: cardifflose (IP Logged)
Date: 14/10/2008 06:38

If we can get 40-50% of the ball i belive we could even get a bonus point win. There backs dont worry me one bit, Ryan Lamb is all the bad bit of Nicky and Ceri in one!!!!!!

Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: cheerycherry (IP Logged)
Date: 14/10/2008 08:52

Cardiff start as 7-10pt favourites for this game in my book and definately can beat Glaws but the key is to get points on the board early. Glaws' approach this season is to start slowly, get a 'feel' for the ref then play off the back of what is being allowed. If Blues can start quickly and not let Glaws settle into the game and Dean Ryan's 'structures' and 'templates' then the Blues have every chance but if Blues let Glaws exploit possession then they could be in trouble. Should be an interesting match up and a day out im looking forward to.

Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: andy82 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/10/2008 15:39

Yeah the blues can win, but it needs to be a good solid week of preperation before sunday. Hopefully confidence should be building now after 2 good wins, and if we can win this match, it is a big step to progressing from the group. Looking at the Gloucester website, the guys on their forum seem to favour Walker at 10 for them which means a steady kicking game, but then until they pick their team thats just all speculation. As well as Halfpenny has done this season, I do think Roberts and Alfie should be on the wings for this one, 2 big lads to stop Vainakolo whatever wing he ends up on, if he plays. Big effort needed from the forwards as well, should eb a cracker sunday.

Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: ATTR (IP Logged)
Date: 15/10/2008 07:08

It depends which Cardiff side turns up.

Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: richard007 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/10/2008 09:32

I agree with ATTR. It does depends on if the team turns up they can beat anyone if they feel like it.

Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: PhilBB - again (IP Logged)
Date: 15/10/2008 10:34

It also depends on which Gloucester team turn up. Lamb has always struggled at 10 against a team operating a blitz defence and Ryan must know that.

Powell must have a big ball carrying game at 8 and let's hope that Molly is fit enough to last 80 minutes.

Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: cheerycherry (IP Logged)
Date: 15/10/2008 10:42

Glaws employed a new Lamb related tactic against Biarritz and shunted him onto the wing at defensive situations and got Simpson-Daniel off his wing to cover the ten slot. I wouldn't be surprised to see Glaws select the more conservative Walker over Lamb but the open spaces of the Milly Stadium could suit Lamb's instinctively attacking game to an absolute tee. Certainly a tough selection call and will say a lot about Dean Ryan's intentions for the game.

Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: cheerycherry (IP Logged)
Date: 15/10/2008 10:42

Glaws employed a new Lamb related tactic against Biarritz and shunted him onto the wing at defensive situations and got Simpson-Daniel off his wing to cover the ten slot. I wouldn't be surprised to see Glaws select the more conservative Walker over Lamb but the open spaces of the Milly Stadium could suit Lamb's instinctively attacking game to an absolute tee. Certainly a tough selection call and will say a lot about Dean Ryan's intentions for the game.

Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: PhilBB - again (IP Logged)
Date: 15/10/2008 11:50

My point was that he can't unpick a blitz defence, not that he can't tackle.

Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: david rees (IP Logged)
Date: 15/10/2008 13:33

So the Shed is coming to Cardiff and what proud rugby supporters they are! I'm sure they will have a great day at the home of Welsh Rugby and I am also sure they will go home disappointed.

Come on you Blues

Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: Rust Sef (IP Logged)
Date: 15/10/2008 16:53

Quote:
ATTR
It depends which Cardiff side turns up.

We had a@#$%&start to the season but i think we're looking ok now.
Should be a good day i think, but the Blues won't have any kind of 'home' advantage.

They came close against Leicester a few years back, need to show that they can win these big games now to push on from last season and ensure a QF place again.

Can't make the game, i am absolutely GUTTED, but everyone going have a good time and make some decent noise for the Blues...

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Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: PhilBB - again (IP Logged)
Date: 15/10/2008 20:39

Why won't they have "home" advantage? That place (in whatever guise) has been used for Cardiff's bigger games for about 30 years. It's ours.

Know your history. Be proud of it and not embarrassed by it. To know where you are going you must first know where you have been:

The club that became a region.

Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: theArmsPark.co.uk Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 16/10/2008 10:02

We won't really have home advantage, in the sense that we know the way the wind swirls around the Arms Park, know where the pitch slopes etc. We don't really know the pitch so well next door.

Plus, we could have packed 10,000 Blues fans in CAP and out numbered them, as it is, we're going to b eout voiced by the loud Gloucester fans.

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Make Noise and You Will Be Heard!

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Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: cheerycherry (IP Logged)
Date: 16/10/2008 10:10

I have a feeling there wont be as many Glaws fans as you think. Glaws' home attendances have dipped and when you factor in the game being televised plus the train related problems to get to Cardiff I suspect people wont bother travelling. Will be a good day out for those of us that are going though

Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: Reservoir Prop (IP Logged)
Date: 16/10/2008 14:52

It always amazes me how you fellas can be so confident when they haven't even announced the teams yet!

Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: Blues Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 16/10/2008 18:38

I have no concerns about the fear expressed that Glaws fans will out voice us. I'm looking forward to a cracking atmosphere and I don't mind how many Glaws fans turn up. The more the merrier. They are very welcome.

I'm quite confident about our own ability to turn up the volume when the occasion arises. And this one is gagging for it.

Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: Rust Sef (IP Logged)
Date: 16/10/2008 20:47

Quote:
PhilBB - again
Why won't they have "home" advantage? That place (in whatever guise) has been used for Cardiff's bigger games for about 30 years. It's ours.
Know your history. Be proud of it and not embarrassed by it. To know where you are going you must first know where you have been:

The club that became a region.

They won't have 'home' advantage Phil, because they are not playing at their home ground and as far as everyone on here seems to think Glaws will be bringing just as many fans as the Blues will be.
They are playing at a ground they have used 3 times and lost at twice.

The stadium is not 'ours' either as you so pompously put it!!

I presume then from your post that you are in favour of switching the game next door and are not of the thinking that the board are gleefully rubbing their hands together, dreaming of the big fat pound signs and short term gains, whilst pi**ing all over the Cardiff (region's) faithful who would prefer it at a sold out CAP?

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Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: Blues Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 17/10/2008 16:55

Quote:
Rust Sef)
They won't have 'home' advantage Phil, because they are not playing at their home ground and as far as everyone on here seems to think Glaws will be bringing just as many fans as the Blues will be.
They are playing at a ground they have used 3 times and lost at twice.

The stadium is not 'ours' either as you so pompously put it!!

I presume then from your post that you are in favour of switching the game next door and are not of the thinking that the board are gleefully rubbing their hands together, dreaming of the big fat pound signs and short term gains, whilst pi**ing all over the Cardiff (region's) faithful who would prefer it at a sold out CAP?[/quote



I can't understand the resistance to the move next door - it makes sound commercial sense to me. Toulouse have a similar policy in switching the bigger games to the Stade Municipale. Why is that interpreted as p*****g on the fans? I certainly don't feel I'm being p****d on and I regard myself as a long standing supporter.

As to our record at the MS - one defeat was the result of a moment of indiscipline which left us with 14 players, and the other when we played like a bunch of schoolkids and collectively lost our cool (Sidoli in particular proving to be a liability). No such thing as fate. Get in there, do the job, and get out. End of. And make a few bob in the process. What's the problem??

Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: Rust Sef (IP Logged)
Date: 18/10/2008 09:47

Quote:
Blues Boy
Quote:
Rust Sef)
They won't have 'home' advantage Phil, because they are not playing at their home ground and as far as everyone on here seems to think Glaws will be bringing just as many fans as the Blues will be.
They are playing at a ground they have used 3 times and lost at twice.

The stadium is not 'ours' either as you so pompously put it!!

I presume then from your post that you are in favour of switching the game next door and are not of the thinking that the board are gleefully rubbing their hands together, dreaming of the big fat pound signs and short term gains, whilst pi**ing all over the Cardiff (region's) faithful who would prefer it at a sold out CAP?[/quote



I can't understand the resistance to the move next door - it makes sound commercial sense to me. Toulouse have a similar policy in switching the bigger games to the Stade Municipale. Why is that interpreted as p*****g on the fans? I certainly don't feel I'm being p****d on and I regard myself as a long standing supporter.

As to our record at the MS - one defeat was the result of a moment of indiscipline which left us with 14 players, and the other when we played like a bunch of schoolkids and collectively lost our cool (Sidoli in particular proving to be a liability). No such thing as fate. Get in there, do the job, and get out. End of. And make a few bob in the process. What's the problem??

I don't particularly take that view either, i would prefer it at CAP but i dont think its all bad having the game next door.

I was just having a personal attack on 'the Almighty' PhilBB!!!!!(Sm150)

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Re: Can Cardiff Beat Gloucester?
Posted by: Hanham Bath (IP Logged)
Date: 18/10/2008 11:57

Lets hope so..........Believe !!

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