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Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
By Stockers
October 26 2008
Saints run of European form came to an end at Vicarage Road this afternoon when domestic competition returned to the calendar. The Northampton squad’s strength in depth was put to the test with several top names being rested altogether or selected on the bench. Would this be enough to gain a victory over Saracens at the second attempt this season? Sadly no.
EDF Energy Cup

Pool D, Round 2, 26 October 2008

Saracens 33, Northampton Saints 19


Saints run of European form came to an end at Vicarage Road this afternoon when domestic competition returned to the calendar. The Northampton squad's strength in depth was put to the test with several top names being rested altogether or selected on the bench. Would this be enough to gain a victory over Saracens at the second attempt this season? Sadly no.

Continuous overnight rain had finally ceased by the time both teams took to the field. Saints kicked off and Courtney Lawes, playing in the back row today, took a superb catch to set up a series of attacks which a strong Sarries defence coped with with some ease. When the home side had possession, strong running through the midfield with Farrell and Chesney to the fore led to gains in territory that Saints midfield defence took time and yards to halt.

Despite Saints winning a free kick when Sarries infringed at a scrum, the line out from the resultant Myler clearance to touch went unchallenged by Saints. Sarries took the clean ball off the top, worked the ball left through a couple of phases, Chesney charged on up the narrow side and fed the ball left for Noah Cato to power through two despairing tackles to reach the ball over the line to open Saracens account after 11 minutes. Gordon Ross missed the conversion from wide on the left.

Saints won the restart kick, one of the better facets of their play today and, after some pick and drive phases, Sarries were pinged for coming in from the side and Steve Myler took the 3 points from 30 metres out.

Christian Day won the next restart kick for Saints. The ball was cleared to touch 5 metres in to Sarries half. The home side threw long into the midfield and Farrell charged forwards. It seemed as though half the Saints team tried to stop him by hanging of his shoulders but not one had the wit to grab his ankles. He set up a ruck on Saints 22 where Sarries won a penalty slap bang in front of the posts. Ross couldn't miss. 8-3 after 17 minutes of a pretty lack lustre game.

Myler reduced the lead 3 minutes later after Saints took the catch from the restart and won a penalty for offside 45 metres out.

This time it was Saracens to take the restart kick and Saints No9 Lee Dickson leapt to catch the ball but was illegally taken out whilst still in the air by Noah Cato in true Inspector Clouseau fashion. Ten minutes in the bin for him!

Dickson received 3 or 4 minutes of treatment but resumed, only to get caught in possession immediately after Saints delivered scrappy ball at a line out. Sarries kicked the penalty to touch on Saints 22, won another uncontested line out and two phases later, Moses Raulini was hurtling through a weak Saints midfield defence to touch down under the posts. Again Ross couldn't miss to take the score to 15-6 after 23 minutes.

Two tries, one by Noah and the next by Moses! Well there has been a lot of rain and it was a Sunday.!!

Saints then hit back superbly. Yet again, they won the restart and worked the ball right. Myler fed the ball on to Foden, having a great game at full back, who passed outside to Ashton. The ex-league speed merchant took the ball on and as the last defender got to him, passed back inside to Foden for a great try by the posts. Inexplicably, Myler fluffed the conversion but Saints were still in touch at 15-11.

The next restart was fluffed as well and Saints were pinged for playing the ball in an offside position. Three more points to Ross.

Saints scored next however, after Cobus Visagie was penalised at a scrum for being Cobus Visagie. From the line out, Saints worked the ball left managed to keep hold of the ball in some scrappy play, recycled to Myler who spotted the lurking Roger Wilson wide on the right wing. The flanker had just enough room to pirouette out of Andy Saull's tackle and stay in play before speeding over for the try out wide. The conversion kick was tricky and Myler failed to add the extras but Saints were well in contention at 18-16, although Ross managed to slot a drop goal before half time to widen Sarries lead to 5 points.

The third quarter of the game was poor quality rugby, both sides making unforced errors and no clear advantage emerging for either team until Ross slotted another penalty after 18 minutes to improve Saracens lead to 8 points

Roger Wilson snaffled the restart kick and Day and Diggin led the attack up the left wing. Barry Stewart took a bad knock at a ruck and was replaced soon after but Saints had a penalty and opted for a line out 5 metres from the home team goal line. The first attempt at the line out took to long and was retaken at the insistence of the ref. The second throw was over the top and into Sarries hands.

Saints returned to the attack soon after but wasted another line out when Shields throw was judged not straight.

The Saints line out tactics were puzzling all afternoon. Often they seemed jittery on their own throw and challenged very few of the Saracens throws, preferring to wait to drive the catchers back rather than compete in the air. Perhaps someone will explain but it wasn't good at all.

However, the scrum looked better and when Euan Murray replaced the groggy Stewart, the Saints pack demolished their opponents to win a penalty from which Myler added the 3 points.

After Ross had restored the gap with a kick on 21 minutes the Saints substitutions started. Scott Gray replaced Lewitt and Dylan Hartley subbed Shields. Hartley was lucky to stay on the pitch with his first play of the game when he short arm tackled Rauluni about 3 feet in front of the assistant ref. He escaped sin binning after a warning from the ref. Not quite the complete professional yet Dylan.

Then Carlos Spencer replaced a rather unconvincing Nils Mordt but Myler moved to inside centre to accommodate the Kiwi at No 10. However, it was his opposite number Ross who scored next with a penalty in front of the posts to extend the Sarries lead to 30-19 with 12 minutes left.

Joe Ansbro replaced Mayor and with Carlos injected some direct pace from the backs which for most of the match had been left to Foden and his wings. Former Saracen Alan Dickens replaced Dickson and Nacho Lobbe came on for Day but the tempus was getting up to fugit and there was too large a gap even to get a losing bonus point.

Although Lobbe stole a Sarries line out only 5 metres from their line and Spencer and Ansbro attacked in midfield, they were unable to add to their score. Inexplicably, they wasted time when winning penalties at scrums in Sarries 22 and opting to retake the scrums instead of something a bit more urgent. Eventually, the ball was lost, Sarries won a penalty upfield and Ross extended the lead to 33-19 with the last kick of the game.

It was a strange performance by Saints. The line out was a mess and Saracens ruled the roost in this department. Not to challenge Sarries throws on numerous occasions was difficult to understand.

Saints midfield was crying out for the solidity in defence of James Downey and the cutting incision in attack of Ansbro. Steve Myler missed two kicks at goal although one of them was pretty difficult and not until late in the game was some leadership on the field apparent from anyone other than the skipper, Matt Lord. A feature of Saints this season has been the leaders all over the pitch. That was absent to a great extent today, as was the support from the travelling fans. There were a few there but silently observing the defeat. Not a single Oh Wendy, a few shouts of encouragement but nothing like the normal level of Saints support even at away games.

I bumped into Nacho Lobbe after the game. He said that we can beat Scarlets next week at home and get the bonus point and need to be confident. At least we'll make some noise to support the team.

Many of us dislike Vicarage Road as a rugby venue. Today, in front of just under 7,000 spectators, there was precious little atmosphere but should we, as fans, not consider whether maybe by staying away in such large numbers we are adversely affecting the prospects of the team we support?


Teams:


Saracens


Goode; Leonelli, Powell, Farrell (c), Cato; Ross, Rauluni; Lloyd, Cairns, Visagie (Mercey 50), Borthwick, Chesney (Ryder 65), Barrell, Saull, Skirving (Seymour 50).

Northampton Saints  

Foden; Ashton, Mayor (Ansbro 70), Mordt (Spencer 60), Diggin; Myler, Dickson (Dickens 73); Tonga'uiha, Shields (Hartley 60), Stewart (Murray 50), Lord (c), Day (Lobbe 73), Lawes, Lewitt (Gray), Wilson.


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Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: ComeOnYouSaints.com (IP Logged)
Date: 26/10/2008 23:19

Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match

Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: St Marlowe (IP Logged)
Date: 26/10/2008 23:26

Thanks Cap'n a very thorough report. (I particularly liked - "Cato in true Inspector Clouseau fashion" - did Lee say "not now Cato - I'm on the Phoooeenne!" -copyright the chat room today!

Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: Convex Hull (IP Logged)
Date: 27/10/2008 02:47

So, three matches against Sarries, three losses (if you include the sevens). Today's Sarries was mostly academy/A team - next time Sarries are likely to be much stronger with Van Heerden and Barritt in the squad...

Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: St.Rich Joe, Niamh and Sam's Dad (IP Logged)
Date: 27/10/2008 03:20

We have to face facts, we're not at their level...yet! Good report Captain.

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Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: ChrisG (IP Logged)
Date: 27/10/2008 07:34

Sarries are great aren't they. They even beat us 7's.

Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: Hoddros nli (IP Logged)
Date: 27/10/2008 07:56

A great report, sums it all up.

Stockers - I understand your point about supporters not being there but surely attendance is just one of the many choices that everyone faces for a Sunday afternoon? Going to watch the Saints is an expensive one.

When so many changes were made to a side that was on a roll, most supporters probably felt that Jim and Dorian were not really targetting this competition, regrettably. Each of the players may be good enough, it is not fair to them or the supporters to have so many changes. There was little continuity or fluidity compared to the recent weeks.

I hope we haven't surrendered the winning momentum.

On another point, I think Vicarage Rd gets some unnecessary bad press. For the first time I sat behind the goal, a far better view than from the Lower Rous. They also had real ale straight from the barrel to cheer me up. (I could still hear those bloody drums though!)

Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: tedge (IP Logged)
Date: 27/10/2008 09:45

Hoddros says "There was little continuity or fluidity compared to the recent weeks.

I hope we haven't surrendered the winning momentum."

I wasn't there so have to rely on others' views but we have to remember that this result was a continuation of our away form in the league and that's a bit worrying. We have to dis-regard the recent matches against indifferent French opposition and a weak Bristol team when assessing progress this season. There's still a long way to go but I am looking for signs of steel and a winning mentality without the FG hordes supporting the team.

Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: Stockers (IP Logged)
Date: 27/10/2008 10:42

Ken, absolutely....... following Saints is a personal choice, it isn't compulsory by any means. It just seemed that yesterday there was no support at all to be heard at any point in the game, other than a few solitary shouts of encouragement. The problem arises when a good many supporters stay at home en masse because they dislike a particular ground as opposed to there being a few absent at all the other grounds for whatever reason.

I wasn't at VR for the Prem match because I was sailing. What was the Saints support like at that game?

You could argue that new faces in the team would be of interest to fans who hadn't seen those players before?

Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: Convex Hull (IP Logged)
Date: 27/10/2008 11:59

Quote:
ChrisG
Sarries are great aren't they. They even beat us 7's.

They are well ahead of Saints in the GP, despite not being a 'proper' rugby club.

Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: Chris B (IP Logged)
Date: 27/10/2008 12:41

7 points is hardly "Well ahead" at this stage of the season.

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Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: ChrisG (IP Logged)
Date: 27/10/2008 13:44

Thats what I said, you are fantastic. surely the best team to walk the earth since the last time you walked it.

We on the other hand are rubbish, I can never fathom out how historically we have done better than you, someone somewhere must have it in for you.

While we are here it might also be worth pointing out that your Dads much bigger than ours too, and you've also got an Uncle thats a policeman.

Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: eb13saint (IP Logged)
Date: 27/10/2008 13:48

The lack of support was, I suspect down to a few things:

-Our series of poor away results so far this season
-The stigma that is, unfairly in my view, attached to Vicarage Road
-A reluctance to pay a lot of money to watch a game that neither side seems to be taking seriously.
-The fact that the tickets sent from Sarries are usually in poor positions meant more people went direct for their tickets and were thus spread all over the place.

Well done to Sarries for keeping at it all game, they looked more committed and up for it that most of our lot did.

Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: ChrisG (IP Logged)
Date: 27/10/2008 13:57

I'd add to that, it was Sunday, raining and theres not a lot of interest in the EDf at this stage.

Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: Undersizedprop (IP Logged)
Date: 27/10/2008 16:16

Convex, I think you need to move on. The fact that you are still hung up about a relatively benign comment posted on this message board almost a month ago doesn't reflect well.

I am sorry that you still can't sleep at night for thinking about it. I really didn't realise at the time that I would cause such offence.

I however had a nice weekend away from the rugby. Didn't bother going to VR after my experience last time, and listened on the radio. Seems most people did the same.

Saracens were obviously the better team, and I have to say I wasn't expecting a win seeing the two sides on paper beforehand. Next week should be interesting. I for one would like to see Carlos and Myler play along side each other with Joe outside. Hopefully Lobbe and Bruce to start too. I think that playing at home we will have a chance.

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Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: Saint Dom (IP Logged)
Date: 27/10/2008 21:02

What a fine report! Really great reporting and just what I needed to make up for the gaps when I had to hide my eyes (foul play on both sides) and block my ears ( silly drums).

Emma, VR is a dump - not unfair to say that. They have condemned their own stands and the viewing lines in the Lower Rous are hopeless. But their supporters are a fine lot and were very hospitable and informative...

I must try to get tickets behind the goal next time but think it would make sense for us all to sit in one sector, rather than scattered as we were yesterday.

The "Sarries Sensations" (dancers) weren't half as good as Nottingham's last season, and that was in ND1, so on that reckoning, Sorries are in decline!

Let's show them some better rugby at our place...

Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: Convex Hull (IP Logged)
Date: 28/10/2008 01:14

Quote:
Undersizedprop
Convex, I think you need to move on. The fact that you are still hung up about a relatively benign comment posted on this message board almost a month ago doesn't reflect well.
I am sorry that you still can't sleep at night for thinking about it. I really didn't realise at the time that I would cause such offence.

I however had a nice weekend away from the rugby. Didn't bother going to VR after my experience last time, and listened on the radio. Seems most people did the same.

Saracens were obviously the better team, and I have to say I wasn't expecting a win seeing the two sides on paper beforehand. Next week should be interesting. I for one would like to see Carlos and Myler play along side each other with Joe outside. Hopefully Lobbe and Bruce to start too. I think that playing at home we will have a chance.

I am in the USA, nothing to do with lack of sleep, so I didn't go to the match either.

Sarries supporters are well aware that VR is a dump, I am sure that something is afoot to address that problem - Sarries has access to one of the strongest investment groups in rugby.

I choose to go to Sarries because I like the way they play, they embrace all nationalities, and because the supporters are friendly and appreciative when they see good rugby from any team.

That is more important to me, and I guess many other Sarries supporters, than whether they a have a rugby ground that conforms to some supposed 'ideal'.

Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: ChrisG (IP Logged)
Date: 28/10/2008 07:37

"they embrace all nationalities, and because the supporters are friendly and appreciative when they see good rugby from any team."

I think all rugby clubs view themselves the same, certainly I view Saints that way.

Re: Ross Kicks Saints to Defeat in Scrappy Cup Match
Posted by: TonyTaff (IP Logged)
Date: 29/10/2008 09:21

That is a good report. A rather less serious one can be found on the Sarries site, HERE

Sorry about Convex Hull - I don't know what's got into him.

PS Where was the gravity-served real ale at VR? That might get me out of the pub a bit earlier before kick off!

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