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I think Wittgenstein was at school with Hitler. But that's all I can offer at this stage...

you are on the right track with that one Shaddo

A stab in the dark at number three, Ye Olde Trip To Jerusalem.

In part 1, am I right in thinking that it was the convert both entertained a queen and met with Hitler's disapproval - one among millions, then.

Wittgenstein, a convert himself, is just a device to get to Hitler.

Chris - the answer is not a pub

OSB - the subject for all three is converts - look at what is written about each of three Converts.

Friendship and Birmingham. Somehow that prompts me towards looking at Quakers...

the answers all are all people

and OSB quakers - not so.

Charles Bradlaugh?

Last time I looked, Quakers were people.

I thought they were oats?

not Charles Bradlaugh.

I know that quakers are people - what i meant to say is that the answers are three individual people.

Oswald Moseley?

as the answer to which one St Sherbister. only asking out of interest because it isnt correct for any of them.

It is Tuesday already - Pete is stingy. Here's a clue.

Conversion - Faith or Code
But some people confuse race with religion.

My guess for the third one is someone who used to play either for us, or Exeter City or Newcastle United and then swapped to do something else.

However, as I don't think the landlord of the Road to Morocco fits the bill I'm stuck there!

1: Lord Haw Haw in a mirror universe.

Didn't Hitler have a nephew who 'converted' to the other side in WW2. Known as Willy Hitler?

read the clues carefully - each one describes or tells you something about the person you are seeking.

The third one is rugby related - and St M has already said too much for a tuesday.

More clues tomorrow.

right then -CLUES no more help with q3 - its rugby related !!

q2 He also inspired Elgar

q1 although not a scot he was involved with a scottish theme

Thank-you for the clue to Q1.

Shaddo on the money again with the Hitler link. A Jew that converted to Christianity, entertained a Queen (Victoria, rather than tinkling the old ivories dahn the Queen Vic) and was associated with a Scottish theme would be Felix Mendelssohn.

strike one for OSB - right on .

1 point to shaddo for the wittengenstien Hitler link - and two points to osb - for getting it after some help.

The full monte = Felix Mendelsohn - played the joanna for Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. wrote the Hebridean overture - Fingles Cave - the wedding march in his Mid Summer Nights dream and a lot of other stuff, His family were christian converts. Hitler tried to ban his music.

Elgar studied under Antonín Dvorvak (he of Hovis bread) in Brum, any connection?



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Q2 Using Elgar as a way in, I cannot get to Birmingham easily. His most famous work is/ are the Enigma Variations. The man purported to be Nimrod was AJ Jaeger.

Whether his naturalisation (German to British) counts as I conversion, I am unsure.

He was an advisor on a number of Elgar's works (he worked for his publisher - based in London - damn!). Perhaps the Dream of Gerontius was premièred in Birmingham or that's where he died or was buried.

I offer Elgar's friend August Johannes Jaeger as the answer to Q2

More confident about Q3

From Orrell St James to the Saracens Head (or some such) would describe the conversion of Andrew Farrell

OSb Andy Farrel is correct - 3 points are winging their way to you.

Now number two - Elgar was inspired by the person who is the answer it isnt whoever you have found in your googling.

we have two correct answers - Mendelsohn & Andy Powell

if there is no correct answer to number 2 by midday tomorrow i will reveal all

anda new question (s) will be posted on Friday .

Quote:

Old Pete
i will reveal all

Nurse, The Screens!!!

"we have two correct answers - Mendelsohn & Andy Powell"

So it was Powell who inspired Elgar. Was it the long hair or the beard?

Sorry my mind is on the Lions - Andy Farrel of course.

meanwhile in Birmingham?

Ok folks - i gotta go out so the answer to Convert number two is

John Henry Newman Cardinal that is.

Converted to Roman Catholicism from the high end of the C of E

buried in Brum next to his long time friend

his poem the dream of Gerontious inspired Edward Elgar to write an Oratorio of the same name.

RECAP:-

My attempt to link Birmingham and friendship with a quaker(-type person) received the coldest of shoulders.

Probing the link with Elgar led me to a German-born, naturalised music publisher. While Jaeger was a friend and inspiration to Elgar, he wasn't the one.

Convert: we've had a Jew that became a Christian and a rugby league player who went to rugby union.

Is there another form of conversion about which we need to be thinking?

Friendship appears not to be an oblique reference to the Society of Friends.

At last: is this a reference to the end of the person's days (i.e. where died or buried) or shoe manufacture?

Birmingham: well known as a city in the English Midlands but is that where we should be looking.

An inspiration to Elgar: who lived in Malvern in Worcestershire, wrote music (Pomp & Circumstance, Enigma, Dream of Gerontius, Violin & Cello concerti) and spanned the 19th & 20th centuries.

Any other ideas?

And i'd just linked your Quakers with Laurence Binyon whose work Elgar put to music including For the Fallen.
lines include
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
and i thought that might be the rugby connection.
all I couldn't find was Birmingham.

OSB close but late - you got the idea of rest = final resting place and the Elgar link to Gerontious.


but no prizes for that one .

The next little batch should prove easier - and it would be nice to see some new thinkers having a go .

And some more guessers like me!

I'd love to have a guess but the convoluted way the question-masters put their puzzles together is beyond the might of the Flattmeister.

I fear I am way out of my league.


Is it about music and the answer is "Saxon"?

Phil - as you can now see - no -

well the questions are convoluted as an attempt to confuse the google and wikipedia merchants.

They follow the style of Round Britain Quiz - on R4 which is a bit elitist and pompous but quite good value in terms of brain teasing.

What we try to do is to mislead and offer false trails - but also try not to be too " cross wordy ".