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NEWS: Teams Up - Gloucester v Saints


By Saint Ted
August 31 2018

GLOUCESTER RUGBY v NORTHAMPTON SAINTSGallagher Premiership Rugby, Round 1Saturday 1st September, 2018Kingsholm StadiumKick-off: 2pm Alex Waller will lead out Northampton Saints for the first time as Club co-captain with Chris Boyd today naming his squad to take on Gloucester Rugby on Saturday.

Fly-half Dan Biggar, flanker James Haskell and prop Ben Franks all make their first competitive appearances in Black, Green and Gold at Kingsholm (kick-off 2pm), while hooker James Fish will run out for the first time in the Gallagher Premiership after scoring six tries in three preseason matches.

England captain Dylan Hartley headlines a bench packed with both experience and youth as new director of rugby Boyd goes in search of an opening league victory following preseason wins over Ospreys, Dragons and Glasgow Warriors.

Ahsee Tuala continues his run at fullback after starting 11 of Saints’ last 12 matches last season, with danger-men Nafi Tuitavake and Tom Collins looking to cause the Cherry & Whites trouble on the wings.

There’s a familiar look to Northampton’s midfield with England internationals Piers Francis and Luther Burrell named in the centres, but British & Irish Lion Biggar will line-up alongside Cobus Reinach in the Premiership for the first time.

Waller, Fish and Franks pack down together again after an accomplished showing from the front three against Glasgow, while two towering locks in David Ribbans and Courtney Lawes provide plenty of height in Saints’ second row.

Meanwhile Teimana Harrison and Heinrich Brüssow join Haskell in the back row to complete an unchanged pack from the side that beat the Scots 41-15 at Franklin’s Gardens last Friday.

Hartley, Api Ratuniyarawa, Francois van Wyk and Ken Pisi – who scored a crucial try the last time these sides met – provide experience from the bench, while four Saints Academy graduates in Lewis Ludlam, Ehren Painter, James Grayson and Alex Mitchell will also look to make their mark in the second half.

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15 Ahsee Tuala
14 Nafi Tuitavake
13 Luther Burrell
12 Piers Francis
11 Tom Collins
10 Dan Biggar
9 Cobus Reinach

1 Alex Waller (co-captain)
2 James Fish
3 Ben Franks
4 David Ribbans
5 Courtney Lawes
6 James Haskell
7 Heinrich Brüssow
8 Teimana Harrison

Replacements:                              
16 Dylan Hartley (co-captain)
17 Francois van Wyk
18 Ehren Painter
19 Api Ratuniyarawa
20 Lewis Ludlam
21 Alex Mitchell
22 James Grayson
23 Ken Pisi

Not available for selection:
Dom Barrow, Alex Coles, James Craig, Paul Hill, Rory Hutchinson, Reece Marshall, Samson Ma'asi, Alex Moon, Toby Trinder and Tom Wood.

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Marching On
NEWS: Teams Up - Gloucester v Saints
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31/08/2018 10:55
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herbie85
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herbie85 (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 11:02
Interesting selection. Good to see James fish get a start, must do wonders for the mindset of 'fringe' players that if your on form, selection should follow and this hasn't happened for years

 
MESSAGES->author
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Abington Adam (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 11:06
1-10 fills me with excitement and if Luther can find some of his old form then we have a decent centre partnership too (but oh for Rob Horne being in that 13 shirt sad smiley )...the back 3 however don't inspire any confidence in me I'm afraid. TC can be massively exciting but has defensive questions to answer, Nafi will do a job but not much more (but there's a need for that kind of player in any squad) and we need to hope and pray that Ace has worked on his tackling with untold fury and passion in the off season because he was a liability at times last year. I'm sure the team will look a bit different once Harry and Taqele are available.

Oh well, a fresh start and all that, Kingsholm is a big test first up and I'm excited to see how we go.

COME ON YOU SAINTS!

 
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St_Bart (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 11:14
Strange that Boyd has no space for Gibson either starting or bench, and not listed as unavailable either. Last season's turnover king and great presence in the lineout too.



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saintsfella
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saintsfella (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 11:23
Would personally rather see tei at 7, Haskell at 8 and Gibson at 6 with Brüssow on the bench. But will give Boyd the benefit of doubt here, considering we’re yet to play a competitive game!...

 
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St Jerome (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 11:49
The mindset we (the fans) will have to get used to is that Boyd has been clear that rotation will be his thing - he wants to balance form and freshness. He said clearly that no back row can play week in, week out and was going to pick the team for the job. Those left out will have to change they mindset too he said - this was not a personal dropping but had the long term in mind. He also said positions play in teams. So this back row is a team. Eadie, Gibson and Ludham are not the second team but the next team up.

 
HungryLikeTheWolf
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Wilson Pickett (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 11:51
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saintsfella
Would personally rather see tei at 7, Haskell at 8 and Gibson at 6 with Brüssow on the bench. But will give Boyd the benefit of doubt here, considering we’re yet to play a competitive game!...


Glaws are big and heavy up front, no space for slim rangy flankers

He will get his turn

 
Saint Stokey
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Saint Stokey (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 11:51
I guess Brussow was brought in for his jackaling and distrupting abilities. Although we didn't see much of this last season, perhaps with the benefit of a preseason and time to fully recover from injury, he may be the answer.

I too agree with Gibson's lineout abilities, but as i was corrected in a previous post, Haskell was being used as a lineout option against Glasgow, so perhaps this is Boyd's thinking.

There is also the possibility that Gibson hasn't performed as well as he might in pre-season.

Defence certainly isn't Nafi or TC's strong points, but if we can dominate breakdowns, draw in their defence and force them to play narrow, hopefully that won't be such an issue, then perhaps we can take advantage of the space.

here's hoping!



In Boyd we trust!

 
alwayshopeful
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alwayshopeful (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 11:52
I like the forwards.. interesting that Hask gets his wish and starts at 6 - maybe this is his best position? Broussow at his best should be a top class 7 so that just leaves the No 8 role to fill.. bit like last year! Eadie was good at the end of last season, so was Tei so taken in the round these three look pretty good to me..

I suspect the backrow is going to take a few weeks to settle down into a clear selection.. plenty of depth.


9 - 10 - 12 are really exciting - I really hope that Luther is firing but the back three look a bit under par. TC is great, but will get little support from Ace and Tuituvake seems like more of a centre to me..

Once we get the new guys in I think Mallinder, Kellaway and Tequele will start, TC off the bench..

Thank god the season is starting again.. COME ON YOU SAINTS

 
MarchingIn
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MarchingIn (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 12:51
Brussow has yet to demonstrate whether his game has adapted to the new rules introduced last year, but he has the pedigree to be given the opportunity.

If you watch his play from his South African days you'll notice:

1) He normally played 6, not 7
2) A lot of his turnovers were "tackle & jackyl" - this is now harder to do legally.

The rules now state you must release the tackled player first, get to your feet & contest the ball what would be "through the gate" from your side. Rules also now state that a ruck is formed as soon as a player is on their feet over the ball, it doesn't matter who, any hands in must be "immediate" at the formation of the ruck.

The rule changes are clearly somewhere Gibson is thriving, timing hitting the contact area "immediately" to win the ball and top last year's Premiership turnover count.

I think if Saints are consistently lacking anything from the back row, it's not so much targeting the ball in defense, but in attack - clearing out the breakdown effectively.

Wood & Calum Clark are both excellent at the "judo roll" clearout of an opposition player over the ball, Wood managed to nullify McCaw & Pocock at times in an England shirt. We haven't seen Wood in top form for a while and Saracens now have the benefit of Clark's 'silent assassin' skills at 7. Saints don't have enough players clearing out effectively (something Craig is good at, shame to see him unavailable again), which is why we lose the ball so regularly. I'll be watching the Haskell & Brussow performances in this area with interest, also Franks.

I thought Ludlam's support play from 7 vs Glasgow was poor at times, I hope Boyd has seen something I haven't & think leaving Gibson out is an odd call unless it's concious rotation.

 
SuffolkSaint
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SuffolkSaint (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 12:57
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MarchingIn
I thought Ludlam's support play from 7 vs Glasgow was poor at times, I hope Boyd has seen something I haven't & think leaving Gibson out is an odd call unless it's concious rotation.

Unlike Tom Wood then who talked about how impressive he had been in pre-season on the Saints show this week!

What specifically did you see as poor?



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MESSAGES->author
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Neil-H (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 13:04
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MarchingIn
Brussow has yet to demonstrate whether his game has adapted to the new rules introduced last year, but he has the pedigree to be given the opportunity.
If you watch his play from his South African days you'll notice:

1) He normally played 6, not 7

The flankers number are different in SA... 6 is open side, 7 is blind smiling smiley

 
SuffolkSaint
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SuffolkSaint (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 13:21
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Neil-H
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MarchingIn
Brussow has yet to demonstrate whether his game has adapted to the new rules introduced last year, but he has the pedigree to be given the opportunity.
If you watch his play from his South African days you'll notice:

1) He normally played 6, not 7

The flankers number are different in SA... 6 is open side, 7 is blind smiling smiley

Also worth mentioning that Eddie Jones met with the head of Premiership referees last week to discuss how the interpretation of the new rules in the premiership was favouring the attacking side only and that was at contrast to the way it was being interpreted everywhere else in the world.

In Eddies view this has been to England's detriment over the last 12 months on the international scene and seen England getting turned over more.

The expectation from that meeting is we see a more balanced interpretation of the rules in this premiership this year - i.e. the breakdown will be more of a contest - AMEN !



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MarchingIn
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MarchingIn (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 14:54
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MarchingIn
I thought Ludlam's support play from 7 vs Glasgow was poor at times, I hope Boyd has seen something I haven't & think leaving Gibson out is an odd call unless it's concious rotation.

Unlike Tom Wood then who talked about how impressive he had been in pre-season on the Saints show this week!

What specifically did you see as poor?

Watch the last 30 mins & compare how many times he reaches the contact area / breakdown in attack before the ball is out or lost vs Gibson.

I suspect its primarily about reading the game & anticipating where to be as opposed to working harder.

 
SuffolkSaint
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SuffolkSaint (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 15:03
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MarchingIn
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MarchingIn
I thought Ludlam's support play from 7 vs Glasgow was poor at times, I hope Boyd has seen something I haven't & think leaving Gibson out is an odd call unless it's concious rotation.

Unlike Tom Wood then who talked about how impressive he had been in pre-season on the Saints show this week!

What specifically did you see as poor?

Watch the last 30 mins & compare how many times he reaches the contact area / breakdown in attack before the ball is out or lost vs Gibson.

I suspect its primarily about reading the game & anticipating where to be as opposed to working harder.

I was at the game and also the game at Dragons and my specific focus is flankers - I don't think your assessment is correct at all. I also don't think you would know what guidance is given to our flankers about what rucks they should make and what ones they shouldn't, particularly when we were so breakdown dominant in the second half.

Let's nurture our young talent, rather than throw lazy aspersions.

Trust Boyd, thats what he's there for.



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tedge
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tedge (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 15:45
Telling players to expect and get used to rotation is hardly an incentive to perform or be left out ! Very disappointing to have 10 players unavailable for selection for the first match and Mallinder is not even mentioned as "unavailable" so what's going on there ?

 
twsaint
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twsaint (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 16:02
4 of the 10 are academy players, so 6 squad players unavsiable is not bad at all. Harry has played 25 minutes since Jan/Feb , he needs a Wandies game.
Rotation is entirely sensible to me.
Questioning Chris Boyd’s first selection.....well!

 
Merlin-k
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Merlin-k (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 16:30
The players who have spoken about it seem extremely pleased to be told that there will be rotation. They see it as a chance to keep fresh.
I think the approach is to not treat each game as the same. There will be "big" games, those are the ones you don't want to be dropped from. And it sounds as though the team will be picked very much as the best against specific opposition.
We have never really tried proper rotation. It works well for Sarries. If the players are happy then I'm happy.

 
Lamont4Saints
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Lamont4Saints (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 16:42
Listening to Sam W on rugby tonight, I can understand why rotation is important, to have players feeling their best and not playing through injuries all the time.

When I played ( at a much lower level) if I had a knock , sometimes I’d be rested for friendlies or lower league matches if we had big games coming up.

It makes sense as you get a rest and feel 100% for the next game and then usually play better. Things like necks, backs, shoulders need rest.

 
MarchingIn
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MarchingIn (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 17:42
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SuffolkSaint
I was at the game and also the game at Dragons and my specific focus is flankers - I don't think your assessment is correct at all. I also don't think you would know what guidance is given to our flankers about what rucks they should make and what ones they shouldn't, particularly when we were so breakdown dominant in the second half.

Let's nurture our young talent, rather than throw lazy aspersions.

Trust Boyd, thats what he's there for.


It's not a "lazy aspersion", it's an opinion based on observation. I went to the Glasgow game, then watched the replay, then watched the second half again with the benefit of several rewinds. We don't have to agree on the impression I was left with - this is a discussion board not a propaganda board, is it not?

Could be I'm wrong and Gibson is now 5th choice or lower for back row, could simply be strategic rotation, as I already noted in the first comment.

 
Angus67
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Angus67 (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 17:47
When at work earlier this afternoon I saw this I had a massive surge of excitement

COYS!

 
HungryLikeTheWolf
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Wilson Pickett (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 17:50
Baywatch used to have that effect on me

 
Lamont4Saints
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Lamont4Saints (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 17:50
Gibson has never been that great at traditional turnovers, his stats are due to his maul turnover rate. Haskell is a much better carrier and tackler and possibly in the ruck too.
Wood is behind Gibson and hasn’t really been playing well for a couple of seasons now.
I think T is better than Brüssow from what I’ve seen but not better than Brüssow when he was at his best a few years ago.

So overall Haskell is a starter, as is T. At 7 that leaves Lewis and Brüssow, both of which will play.

 
MarchingIn
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MarchingIn (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 20:02
The rules on rucks and contesting the ball after the tackle have changed which will force Brussow to change his style a bit from his peak. Gibson has adapted well to those rules. He won plenty on the floor. I'm interested to see Brussow play after a pre-season - he looks sharp and decisive around the field now.

If you look at the number of appearances Super Rugby players make, the Prem/Europe is way higher. I think rotation is the key to sustained form, players & team.

 
fleetg
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fleetg (IP Logged)
31/08/2018 20:59
Yasmeen Bleeth WP or a.n..other ?!

 
HungryLikeTheWolf
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Wilson Pickett (IP Logged)
01/09/2018 06:29
Well naturally it started with CJ (Pammy),
Yasmin was a happy addition but Tracy Bingham was the one.

 
Deesaint
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Deesaint (IP Logged)
01/09/2018 07:13
Sad doesn’t even start to describe it :-)

 
MESSAGES->author
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Neil-H (IP Logged)
01/09/2018 08:10
Rotation, rotation, rotation.... we have no idea what the players have been told about this selection.

Way I see it, we have 7-8 back row players, all capable of starting, all with slightly different strengths n weaknesses.

Whichever combination you pick it will be strong and that’s great for us! Whichever combination you pick people will always argue why?

I think this back row is picked for this game, T n Haskill are our 2 most abrasive back row for a big Gloucester pack.

I also think as mentioned above, because of the new breakdown law at tackles we lucky we have guys that can cover 7, as I think the bench back row will always be someone that can do so.



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HungryLikeTheWolf
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Wilson Pickett (IP Logged)
01/09/2018 12:16
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Deesaint
Sad doesn’t even start to describe it :-)

I was 14, cut me some slack. At least I had some decent taste.

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