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By Almostatyke
October 2 2017

Watching my first home game of the season against Pirates from the hitherto forbidden territory that is the Carnegie Stand gave me an opportunity to observe the many changes taking place at Headers. Most obvious was the absence of the South Stand of course. I noted that there is a major sewer diversion in progress, which is slow work, and that probably explains why the demolition did not proceed quite as quickly as we perhaps expected; after all the steelwork of the old stand looked as though a tap with an excavator bucket would knock it down like a house of cards  

The new South Stand is expected to temporarily house about 2000 Rhinos fans for matches from next February (i.e. start of the RL season) and should be complete about a year from now.

Following the Varsity match this week, which gets student crowds of 10k plus, and the recent completion of the cricket season and Rhinos home matches , the North Stand demolition will start. The new stand is expected to take 18 months to construct and a temporary stand will be put in place between the construction and the pitch for Rhinos supporters, thus maintaining a ground capacity of 12.5k. I haven’t worked out where the teams will change though.

Overall the construction programme will clearly be challenging. Many of the activities are sequential, meaning that any delay is inevitably passed on to the next activity thus endangering the completion date, plus there will be lots of crane lifting, which has to be stopped when wind speeds are excessive for safety reasons. The construction activity is all in a densely populated residential area and so working hours and deliveries to site will no doubt be restricted. Add to that the effect of facilitating the temporary stands/temporary access to the South Stand on Rhinos match days.

Accommodating Carnegie fans in the Carnegie Stand seems to be an excellent solution in terms of taking us out of the line of fire. If we exceed the 4500 capacity and have to turn fans away I will do a jig naked in Briggate – provided Wild Willie joins me of course.

So what about the Carnegie Stand experience? Though not a fan of behind the posts viewing I found it perfectly acceptable, and much, much better than the view at the majority of Championship grounds. No doubt others will have their opinions on this.

I will be keeping a canny eye on Caddick Construction’s progress over the year or so with updates in due course.

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02/10/2017 20:57
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JDH (IP Logged)
02/10/2017 21:19
Remember and excavator bucket isn't an excepted demo attachment!
Caddick well versed at erecting sheds.
I too didn't like the idea of behind the sticks but I like it tbh. Great view and atmosphere. Had food in the cafe for the first time Saturday and it was spot on!

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
03/10/2017 20:08
Hey Guys, I churned this report out quickly to answer WW's call for help.
Is it too technical, do you want me to explain in further detail the construction activities?
Or is it too simple?
What is your feeling re. watching from the Carnegie Stand?
Is there value in me putting out stage reports on the construction progress as I see it?

You will note that I don't do rhetorical questions any more - what's the point?

 
Carnegiette2
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Carnegiette2 (IP Logged)
03/10/2017 21:01
Hi Almo, I found this useful Thank you, and the level of detail about right for me. It's only recently I started to appreciate the complexities around crane lifts, traffic flows, working hours etc

I for one would appreciate the stage updates

 
John R
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John R (IP Logged)
05/10/2017 14:11
Go for it ALMO!

Educate we heathens who really haven't a clue on the complexities of building sheds.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
05/10/2017 15:44
Here goes then John: first I would like to point out that a stadium stand is a much more complex structure than a "shed", and is built in a confined environment around residents and the general public, whereas a typical shed is in a big open space.
In order to provide a view not obstructed by pillars a cantilevered roof is required. This means a structure like the new South Stand wants to topple-over onto the pitch and has to have anchored foundations at the rear to prevent this. This means that the rear foundations will be designed to resist lifting out of the ground rather than supporting downward forces as with traditional foundations. Cleverly, the back-to-back North Stand/Cricket Stand will have two roofs that balance each other out to provide natural stability, so anchored foundations will not be required.

Anyone still awake........

 
scottish tyke
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scottish tyke (IP Logged)
05/10/2017 17:35
Despite my misgivings I thought having us all 'squeezed' into one stand actually improved the atmosphere. The view from the top was not bad either, although I might bring the binos for seeing the far end next time.

 
yeldor
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yeldor (IP Logged)
05/10/2017 17:41
Quote:
almostatyke
Here goes then John: first I would like to point out that a stadium stand is a much more complex structure than a "shed", and is built in a confined environment around residents and the general public, whereas a typical shed is in a big open space.
In order to provide a view not obstructed by pillars a cantilevered roof is required. This means a structure like the new South Stand wants to topple-over onto the pitch and has to have anchored foundations at the rear to prevent this. This means that the rear foundations will be designed to resist lifting out of the ground rather than supporting downward forces as with traditional foundations. Cleverly, the back-to-back North Stand/Cricket Stand will have two roofs that balance each other out to provide natural stability, so anchored foundations will not be required.

Anyone still awake........


No mention of purple pipes . Zzzzzzzzzzz

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
05/10/2017 17:50
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yeldor


No mention of purple pipes . Zzzzzzzzzzz

Damn. Have you had a sneak preview of my next installment????

 
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leemingtyke (IP Logged)
06/10/2017 05:21
Keep going Almo. I find this stuff genuinely interesting.

If the finished stadium looks anything like the impressions we've seen on the internet it will be an awesome place by the time they've finished.

 
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Wildwillie (IP Logged)
06/10/2017 15:20
We take cantilevering for granted these days but it really gives you a great view of the whole pitch.

(Sm134)

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Bobba
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Bobba (IP Logged)
07/10/2017 13:06
I'm looking forward to the "life and times of a builders shovel" by A. Spade

 
Tyko
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Tyko (IP Logged)
07/10/2017 21:22
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Bobba
I'm looking forward to the "life and times of a builders shovel" by A. Spade

Shovel? We call A Spade A Spade in Yorkshire.

 
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Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
09/10/2017 08:47
I have been curious about the proposed temporary stand on the north side, intended to provide seating capacity during the next rugby league season. A planning application has now been submitted here . No doubt this will make sense to Almo, I can only get a rough idea. I am still curious as to how they will work on the new shared stand while this temporary seating is in place. I wouldn't have thought they could freeze operations until October next year and still have it ready for the 2019 cricket season.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
09/10/2017 18:39
Thanks Albert, these documents are giving me a better understanding of the project.
Yeldor can now look away now (unless needing a cure for insomnia).

The temporary stand will hold 2499 people and is only 7.5 metres high. The underside of the new stand roof on the rugby side is about 20 metres above the pitch, hence there is plenty of room to fit it under the new roof. The temp stand will be in place Feb 18 to Oct 18 (i.e. the 2018 RL Season)and the during this period the new stand roof will be built over it. The temp stand will be rapidly dismantled and then there will be the RL close season (Nov 18 to Jan 19) to build the permanent seating and underlying rooms to complete the permanent stand.

No doubt the completion of the stand will not be as straight-forward as it may at first appear, but as the roof will already be in place at least the final activity should not be affected by the winter weather.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: The temporary rugby stand should have no or negligible effect on the cricket side of the stand



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017:10:09:18:59:10 by almostatyke.

 
yeldor
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yeldor (IP Logged)
09/10/2017 19:23
Zzzzzzzzzzz

sent off carried off never backed off

 
haxbytyke
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Haxbytyke (IP Logged)
09/10/2017 19:34
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almostatyke

EDIT: The temporary rugby stand should have no or negligible effect on the cricket side of the stand
.
Almo, why will it not affect the cricket side of the ground? I thought the entire stand was coming down.

COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
09/10/2017 22:24
The temporary stand is not very big, it is situated between the rugby pitch and the back wall of the rugby stand.

 
Bobba
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Bobba (IP Logged)
14/10/2017 11:32
What is the likely additional cost in providing the "minimal" temporary accommodation. Also, would it not divert the attention of the contactors building the main stand from their purpose of constructing the main stand, resulting in a slower build! Similarly the additional cost could perhaps be used by Rhinos in negotiating temporary usage of other grounds in the area, say, Elland Road or Odsal...?

 
Bobba
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Bobba (IP Logged)
14/10/2017 11:49
Oh, and by the way. I noticed the other day GH announcing the formation of a Womens Rhinos RL team, and, you guessed it, they will be playing at......South Leeds Stadium

 
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Mark_C (IP Logged)
14/10/2017 13:37
Very practical from GH. After all, there can be nothing more soul-destroying than a team pulling in considerably less support than the Rhinos rattling around in an empty stadium.....

 
Bobba
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Bobba (IP Logged)
14/10/2017 14:58
Ooops, my mistake. I'm sure GH mentioned the South Leeds Stadium but apparently the Ladies will play at the University of Leeds Sports Park at Wheetwood.

I'm not often right but I'm wrong again!:~(

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
14/10/2017 18:54
Bobba you are right that the cost/disruption of the temporary stand, plus allowing Rhinos supporters to stand in the partially-constructed South Stand will be significant.
However, Rhinos need to respect the loyalty of their fans - especially season ticket holders, so it is important to keep as many coming to Headingley as practical, at whatever cost.

No point pi$$ing off the Rhinos fans whilst building two shiny new stands then finding them half empty when they open.

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