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By Almostatyke
October 2 2017

Watching my first home game of the season against Pirates from the hitherto forbidden territory that is the Carnegie Stand gave me an opportunity to observe the many changes taking place at Headers. Most obvious was the absence of the South Stand of course. I noted that there is a major sewer diversion in progress, which is slow work, and that probably explains why the demolition did not proceed quite as quickly as we perhaps expected; after all the steelwork of the old stand looked as though a tap with an excavator bucket would knock it down like a house of cards  

The new South Stand is expected to temporarily house about 2000 Rhinos fans for matches from next February (i.e. start of the RL season) and should be complete about a year from now.

Following the Varsity match this week, which gets student crowds of 10k plus, and the recent completion of the cricket season and Rhinos home matches , the North Stand demolition will start. The new stand is expected to take 18 months to construct and a temporary stand will be put in place between the construction and the pitch for Rhinos supporters, thus maintaining a ground capacity of 12.5k. I haven’t worked out where the teams will change though.

Overall the construction programme will clearly be challenging. Many of the activities are sequential, meaning that any delay is inevitably passed on to the next activity thus endangering the completion date, plus there will be lots of crane lifting, which has to be stopped when wind speeds are excessive for safety reasons. The construction activity is all in a densely populated residential area and so working hours and deliveries to site will no doubt be restricted. Add to that the effect of facilitating the temporary stands/temporary access to the South Stand on Rhinos match days.

Accommodating Carnegie fans in the Carnegie Stand seems to be an excellent solution in terms of taking us out of the line of fire. If we exceed the 4500 capacity and have to turn fans away I will do a jig naked in Briggate – provided Wild Willie joins me of course.

So what about the Carnegie Stand experience? Though not a fan of behind the posts viewing I found it perfectly acceptable, and much, much better than the view at the majority of Championship grounds. No doubt others will have their opinions on this.

I will be keeping a canny eye on Caddick Construction’s progress over the year or so with updates in due course.

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JDH (IP Logged)
02/10/2017 21:19
Remember and excavator bucket isn't an excepted demo attachment!
Caddick well versed at erecting sheds.
I too didn't like the idea of behind the sticks but I like it tbh. Great view and atmosphere. Had food in the cafe for the first time Saturday and it was spot on!

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
03/10/2017 20:08
Hey Guys, I churned this report out quickly to answer WW's call for help.
Is it too technical, do you want me to explain in further detail the construction activities?
Or is it too simple?
What is your feeling re. watching from the Carnegie Stand?
Is there value in me putting out stage reports on the construction progress as I see it?

You will note that I don't do rhetorical questions any more - what's the point?

 
Carnegiette2
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Carnegiette2 (IP Logged)
03/10/2017 21:01
Hi Almo, I found this useful Thank you, and the level of detail about right for me. It's only recently I started to appreciate the complexities around crane lifts, traffic flows, working hours etc

I for one would appreciate the stage updates

 
John R
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John R (IP Logged)
05/10/2017 14:11
Go for it ALMO!

Educate we heathens who really haven't a clue on the complexities of building sheds.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
05/10/2017 15:44
Here goes then John: first I would like to point out that a stadium stand is a much more complex structure than a "shed", and is built in a confined environment around residents and the general public, whereas a typical shed is in a big open space.
In order to provide a view not obstructed by pillars a cantilevered roof is required. This means a structure like the new South Stand wants to topple-over onto the pitch and has to have anchored foundations at the rear to prevent this. This means that the rear foundations will be designed to resist lifting out of the ground rather than supporting downward forces as with traditional foundations. Cleverly, the back-to-back North Stand/Cricket Stand will have two roofs that balance each other out to provide natural stability, so anchored foundations will not be required.

Anyone still awake........

 
scottish tyke
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scottish tyke (IP Logged)
05/10/2017 17:35
Despite my misgivings I thought having us all 'squeezed' into one stand actually improved the atmosphere. The view from the top was not bad either, although I might bring the binos for seeing the far end next time.

 
yeldor
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yeldor (IP Logged)
05/10/2017 17:41
Quote:
almostatyke
Here goes then John: first I would like to point out that a stadium stand is a much more complex structure than a "shed", and is built in a confined environment around residents and the general public, whereas a typical shed is in a big open space.
In order to provide a view not obstructed by pillars a cantilevered roof is required. This means a structure like the new South Stand wants to topple-over onto the pitch and has to have anchored foundations at the rear to prevent this. This means that the rear foundations will be designed to resist lifting out of the ground rather than supporting downward forces as with traditional foundations. Cleverly, the back-to-back North Stand/Cricket Stand will have two roofs that balance each other out to provide natural stability, so anchored foundations will not be required.

Anyone still awake........


No mention of purple pipes . Zzzzzzzzzzz

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
05/10/2017 17:50
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No mention of purple pipes . Zzzzzzzzzzz

Damn. Have you had a sneak preview of my next installment????

 
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leemingtyke (IP Logged)
06/10/2017 05:21
Keep going Almo. I find this stuff genuinely interesting.

If the finished stadium looks anything like the impressions we've seen on the internet it will be an awesome place by the time they've finished.

 
wildwillie
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Wildwillie (IP Logged)
06/10/2017 15:20
We take cantilevering for granted these days but it really gives you a great view of the whole pitch.

(Sm134)

 
Bobba
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Bobba (IP Logged)
07/10/2017 13:06
I'm looking forward to the "life and times of a builders shovel" by A. Spade

 
Tyko
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Tyko (IP Logged)
07/10/2017 21:22
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Bobba
I'm looking forward to the "life and times of a builders shovel" by A. Spade

Shovel? We call A Spade A Spade in Yorkshire.

 
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Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
09/10/2017 08:47
I have been curious about the proposed temporary stand on the north side, intended to provide seating capacity during the next rugby league season. A planning application has now been submitted here . No doubt this will make sense to Almo, I can only get a rough idea. I am still curious as to how they will work on the new shared stand while this temporary seating is in place. I wouldn't have thought they could freeze operations until October next year and still have it ready for the 2019 cricket season.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
09/10/2017 18:39
Thanks Albert, these documents are giving me a better understanding of the project.
Yeldor can now look away now (unless needing a cure for insomnia).

The temporary stand will hold 2499 people and is only 7.5 metres high. The underside of the new stand roof on the rugby side is about 20 metres above the pitch, hence there is plenty of room to fit it under the new roof. The temp stand will be in place Feb 18 to Oct 18 (i.e. the 2018 RL Season)and the during this period the new stand roof will be built over it. The temp stand will be rapidly dismantled and then there will be the RL close season (Nov 18 to Jan 19) to build the permanent seating and underlying rooms to complete the permanent stand.

No doubt the completion of the stand will not be as straight-forward as it may at first appear, but as the roof will already be in place at least the final activity should not be affected by the winter weather.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: The temporary rugby stand should have no or negligible effect on the cricket side of the stand



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yeldor
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yeldor (IP Logged)
09/10/2017 19:23
Zzzzzzzzzzz

sent off carried off never backed off

 
haxbytyke
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Haxbytyke (IP Logged)
09/10/2017 19:34
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EDIT: The temporary rugby stand should have no or negligible effect on the cricket side of the stand
.
Almo, why will it not affect the cricket side of the ground? I thought the entire stand was coming down.

COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
09/10/2017 22:24
The temporary stand is not very big, it is situated between the rugby pitch and the back wall of the rugby stand.

 
Bobba
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Bobba (IP Logged)
14/10/2017 11:32
What is the likely additional cost in providing the "minimal" temporary accommodation. Also, would it not divert the attention of the contactors building the main stand from their purpose of constructing the main stand, resulting in a slower build! Similarly the additional cost could perhaps be used by Rhinos in negotiating temporary usage of other grounds in the area, say, Elland Road or Odsal...?

 
Bobba
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Bobba (IP Logged)
14/10/2017 11:49
Oh, and by the way. I noticed the other day GH announcing the formation of a Womens Rhinos RL team, and, you guessed it, they will be playing at......South Leeds Stadium

 
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Mark_C (IP Logged)
14/10/2017 13:37
Very practical from GH. After all, there can be nothing more soul-destroying than a team pulling in considerably less support than the Rhinos rattling around in an empty stadium.....

Miserati - and Proud to be!

 
Bobba
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Bobba (IP Logged)
14/10/2017 14:58
Ooops, my mistake. I'm sure GH mentioned the South Leeds Stadium but apparently the Ladies will play at the University of Leeds Sports Park at Wheetwood.

I'm not often right but I'm wrong again!:~(

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
14/10/2017 18:54
Bobba you are right that the cost/disruption of the temporary stand, plus allowing Rhinos supporters to stand in the partially-constructed South Stand will be significant.
However, Rhinos need to respect the loyalty of their fans - especially season ticket holders, so it is important to keep as many coming to Headingley as practical, at whatever cost.

No point pi$$ing off the Rhinos fans whilst building two shiny new stands then finding them half empty when they open.

 
wildwillie
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Wildwillie (IP Logged)
30/10/2017 11:59
The south stand demolition looks complete. I wonder why they have not started construction yet?

 
yeldor
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yeldor (IP Logged)
30/10/2017 12:55
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The south stand demolition looks complete. I wonder why they have not started construction yet?



If only we had a construction correspondent!

 
wildwillie
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Wildwillie (IP Logged)
30/10/2017 13:03
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The south stand demolition looks complete. I wonder why they have not started construction yet?



If only we had a construction correspondent!

We've got two! (at least) (Sm164)

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
30/10/2017 13:25
Report based on yesterday's visit to follow; by special request it will feature a section on the importance of using the correctly coloured ducts for underground services.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
31/10/2017 11:32
In contrast to the actual match, I was disappointed at what I saw at the side of the pitch on Sunday. The south stand area looked far too tidy for me, looking like construction is proceeding at a steady pace and not at the sort of speed I was used to when we built 60,000 sq ft supermarkets in 18 weeks. There are a couple of small brick buildings remaining from the demolition. I suspect that they are electricity substation/gas meter houses and it could be that Caddick are awaiting the service utilities (who work at their own pace, however urgent the need) before moving forward.
Nevertheless the North stand demolition had started, which is good news as it means the asbestos is out and the services isolated so hopefully it is on track for completion by Christmas, meaning the new construction starts in the New Year.

I note that part of the ground floor of the Carnegie Stand has been converted into changing rooms.

Special supplement, requested by Yeldor:

Flexible Ducting is generally available in 3 popular colours Black (for electrical services), Blue (for water pipes) and Yellow (for gas pipe). Also used are Green (telecoms, cable and CCTV), Purple (Motorway cabling) and Orange (street lighting).



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Tyko
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Tyko (IP Logged)
31/10/2017 23:57
I saw the players using rooms on the ground floor of Carnegie stand at half time. Even shared the toilets with some of them.

But after the match both teams were seen going to change somewhere in the new cricket stand. I was told that they only used Carnegie stand at half time as cricket stand too far to go at half time.

 
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Madtyke (IP Logged)
01/11/2017 06:21
Teams are changing in the carbuncle changing rooms and then use the 2 end rooms by the toilets for pre-game and halftime.

[www.arborfieldoldboys.co.uk]

 
wildwillie
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Wildwillie (IP Logged)
01/11/2017 17:55
The lack of activity in the south stand site smacks of a snag delaying construction. This is re-inforced by the fact that the Rhino's first game is to be played away from LS6 suggesting that all is not going to plan.

 
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Gelbel (IP Logged)
03/11/2017 12:30
What first game? Boxing Day? Was always going to be away with the works going on.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
03/11/2017 21:17
Rhinos first game is now scheduled for 2nd March, one month into the RL season.
I went past the ground today and I am happy to report that there was a lot more activity on the South Stand area and the demolition of the combined rugby/cricket stand has really come on well.

Good to see Paul Caddick is reading my reports.

 
yeldor
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yeldor (IP Logged)
03/11/2017 22:03
There is a web cam feed on YouTube. Ducting progress very slow .

sent off carried off never backed off

 
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JDH (IP Logged)
03/11/2017 22:26
They should have got someone good to build it.....

 
Bobba
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Bobba (IP Logged)
15/11/2017 10:15
Noticed bucket loads of concrete being poured into holes at the South Stand end. No doubt the foundations for the steelwork which will eventually support the 7500 Carnegie fans that will flock to the stadium once it has been redeveloped.

 
wildwillie
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Wildwillie (IP Logged)
16/11/2017 19:41
(Sm124)

 
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Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
17/11/2017 07:07
Caddick Construction's Twitter feed yesterday showed steels now going up.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
17/11/2017 12:36
I was at Headingley this morning and, yes, the twitter feed has not been "photoshopped". Not only has the South Stand steel erection started but the first load of precast concrete (fits between the steel beams) has also arrived.

 
Bobba
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Bobba (IP Logged)
17/11/2017 13:14
Almo. You seem to be spending a lot of time at Headingley. Are you telling us porkies by saying that you are retired, when in fact you are employed by those at LS6 as a consultant and / or their PR representative?

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
17/11/2017 13:24
Nothing gets past you, eh, Bobba?

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
17/11/2017 15:33
See offie:

[yorkshirecarnegie.com]

It will be late Feb/Early March before structural steelwork is erected for the North Stand.



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Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
03/12/2017 15:13
Ventured on to the top deck for the first time today. Once-in-a-lifetime views across to the cricket field and the chimneypots beyond. Had also never appreciated the magnitude of the difference in levels between the two pitches before.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

 
wildwillie
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Wildwillie (IP Logged)
05/12/2017 10:45
I was interested to see how much steel had been erected for the southstand. It was also apparent that most of the footing are now laid so expect the southstand to take shape very quickly now.

(Sm134)

 
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JDH (IP Logged)
05/12/2017 18:33
I thought they would have had a bit more up but I am sure they have there reasons.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
05/12/2017 19:49
Hey Guys, I am on the case, but very little of interest to report at the moment. The key progress event on steelwork structures is getting that first piece of steel erected. In the past I have had to use high strength concrete for the bases of the first few columns to ensure the holding-down bolts can do their job: after that the foundations progress faster than the steel can be erected.
Steel erection progress is difficult to measure: it seems to go up really fast but if there are any mistakes, they take ages to sort out. The stands are being built from galvanised steel. Great in that you get 20 years before it needs any painting but it has an extended delivery time and any alterations are tricky - welding to galvanised steel is a health hazard.
However, the good news is that I have not seen any evidence to suggest any problems.
As the works were not competitively tendered I think the programme is realistic and not as challenging as the ones I had to work to (hence the grey hair!).

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
11/12/2017 10:59
Some more general observations:
The site ground conditions are pretty much ideal for this type of development, no mining or contamination issues and stiff clay or rock within one to 2.5 metres of the surface. There is little or no groundwater so foundations are as simple as possible: dig a hole and pour concrete into it.
However, there is a 381mm diameter (15")combined sewer running across both the stands and the pitch at about where the 22m line is in the western half. This will need diverting to meet Yorkshire Water's requirements. As steel is being erected at the South Stand, presumably the relevant diversion has been carried out, however the north stand diversionary works are ongoing and are programmed to continue into mid-Feb.
Interestingly, there is a 1.8 metre difference in level between the cricket and rugby pitch levels - this could be seen at the home match against Roth.
Steel progress on the South Stand seems to be going well, but note that the next section will be more complicated as it incorporates the lift shafts for access to the higher level seating. The current cold but still weather should not delay progress, strong winds are the main enemy as all crane lifting has to be suspended.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
19/12/2017 09:41
Phil Daly has done this week's progress report for me:

[yorkshirecarnegie.com]

 
wildwillie
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Wildwillie (IP Logged)
20/12/2017 07:46
Yep! Check out the live cam here

 
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Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
20/12/2017 11:05
The new South Stand isn't as I imagined it, which was essentially a clone of the Carnegie Stand. I suppose putting the seats above the terrace, rather than behind it as they now appear to be, would have made the building even higher and possibly unacceptable to those living opposite on St Michael's Lane.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
20/12/2017 11:55
Albert, by putting the seats on another "tier" (as at Twickenham), above the standing area, the overall height would be the same but you need to create a concrete cantilevered slab to sit the seats on (any columns would obstruct the standing view).
It was considered during the feasiblity stage but rejected because it was more expensive.
Access to the seated area is also simpler with the current arrangement as at the ends of the stand you climb steps from the standing area.

 
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Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
20/12/2017 16:58
Presumably, the seats will be more expensive than the terrace, so they will need stewards to stop folk wandering up.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
20/12/2017 21:08
I don't think Headers is particularly short of yellow-coated stewards.
I hope that Carnegie fans can in time be accommodated in the South Stand, all together, a bit like the Carnegie Stand but from the side. Unless we get promoted of course, when we would need to use Elland Road for big matches..... (if only).
The South Stand looks to be self-sufficient in terms of changing rooms and spectator facilities. And I am sure they will put on a barrel of Black Sheep for Albert.

 
wildwillie
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Wildwillie (IP Logged)
21/12/2017 08:31
Dream on!

(Sm124)

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
04/01/2018 16:50
The recent high winds will have put a dent into the construction programme, it has been too windy to stand up on site never mind lift parts of the stand into position with a crane. Also, looking at the webcam, the Tetley stand poster looks like it is about to blow away.
Mr Caddick must be praying for calmer weather.

 
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Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
04/01/2018 21:03
So it seems. They have applied for a planning variation to work from 8.00 - 3.00 on Saturdays rather than 9.00 - 1.00 as now.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
04/01/2018 21:29
Nothing gets past you Albert!

 
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Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
05/01/2018 08:09
Sad, isn't it? I keep an eye on the council's planning site for anything that might affect where I live or visit frequently.

Having just looked again, permission has been given for the temporary stand on the north side which I mentioned a couple of months ago. They will be wanting to crack on with this to seat the Rhinos fans on their delayed return to Headingley.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

 
Bobba
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Bobba (IP Logged)
05/01/2018 13:02
Why a temporary stand. Surely it would make more sense to build the lower tier of the North stand and then complete the build at a later point? But, what do I know!

 
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Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
05/01/2018 14:04
I think it is because they need something in place to fulfil the tickets they have sold to Rhinos supporters for their next season and the lower tier could not be up in time (not much more than a month from now). I suspect it would also be difficult to build the rugby side in isolation when it's a shared stand.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
05/01/2018 15:57
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Bobba
Why a temporary stand. Surely it would make more sense to build the lower tier of the North stand and then complete the build at a later point? But, what do I know!

That is, in effect, the plan for the South Stand, which started 3 months before the North stand, and the temporary facilities will be standing-only. There just isn't time on the North Stand build, and the temporary stand will provide seated accommodation: in fact our own Beeston Lion has one of the seats reserved.
Never underestimate the effect of allowing a sporting crowd have access across what is a construction site on a tight schedule. There are license requirements in terms of the crowd safety including toilets, access and egress, plus fire regulations, emergency access including getting a fire engine or ambulance to the scene in the event of fire/other emergency etc etc etc.

 
Bobba
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Bobba (IP Logged)
05/01/2018 19:37
The difficulties you mention would apply to a temporary stand and one that would be part of a permanent structure. We have all seen how quickly half of the South Stand has shot up. Surely there is time to start construction of the pitch side section of the North Stand. After all haven't Rhinos made the decision to play their opening games at Elland Road?

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
05/01/2018 20:43
Bobba, the permanent structure is a moving target, each week the site is in a different position: for each home match a new license needs to be obtained. It is also difficult to anticipate the conditions for a particular game/date - too conservative and progress is lost, too ambitious and the game is in jeopardy.
A nightmare!
Also when you say the South Stand has "shot up", sure enough the steel/concrete building fabric has, but what about the services, finishes, decoration, fire protection, alarms? Also, each time the public are admitted, there needs to be a handover to the ground staff, involving lessons on how the building works. For instance, how are disabled spectators going to get in and out if the lifts are not yet working?
Obviously I am not convincing you but it is a major impediment and cost to the overall progress.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
06/01/2018 11:11
Phil's done another report for me:

[yorkshirecarnegie.com]

Unfortunately it has omitted the colours of the ducting laid.

 
Bobba
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Bobba (IP Logged)
06/01/2018 12:53
Good job I'm not the one responsible for the project. By now it would have been completed with a capacity of 5000 and Rhinos relegated to playing at Elland Road or Old Trafford. There would, of course, have been plans to extend the capacity to 10000 (minimum requirement) to satisfy the RFU in the event of, eventually, our gaining promotion to the Premiership.

As for facilities such as toilets, is that not what shovels are for?

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
08/01/2018 14:48
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So it seems. They have applied for a planning variation to work from 8.00 - 3.00 on Saturdays rather than 9.00 - 1.00 as now.



My source, close to the action, has confirmed that work is behind and Caddick is seeking to work extra hours in a bid to catch up.

I have been trying to think why the works have become behind schedule, after all the weather has been not too bad for the time of year. We had one windy week, which would have probably cost 3 working days but surely this would be within the contingency allowance for a winter project? One mistake I have seen unexperienced planners make is not to realise the effect of short working days. Normally steel erectors work a 10 hour day, but in December there is only 7.5 hours of daylight and this will have an effect even with the rugby and cricket floodlights switched on.



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Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
10/01/2018 14:28
The council has approved the separate planning application relating to floodlights. In common with most modern stadia/stadiums (take your pick) these will be attached to the roof, allowing the pylons on the rugby side to be removed, though those on the cricket side will, of course, remain.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
10/01/2018 17:20
I imagine the modern "floodlights on the stand roof" layout will be better for TV, reduce shadows and will cause less light pollution e.g. lights shining into the bedrooms of nearby residences. So we will only have a short while to enjoy the time-honoured four shadows effect that the current lights give.
The other major function that floodlight towers have is to show where the ground is to away supporters and the massive cricket masts will do that admirably.

 
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leemingtyke (IP Logged)
10/01/2018 17:56
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The other major function that floodlight towers have is to show where the ground is to away supporters and the massive cricket masts will do that admirably.

Absolutely spot on Almo, although anyone who wasn't around in the pre-satnav era will have no idea what youre talking about.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
15/01/2018 12:48
Latest report:

[yorkshirecarnegie.com]

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
19/01/2018 11:55
Can't help but feel that the South Stand construction has stalled due to the high winds we have had this week, no doubt Paul Caddick is praying for calmer weather.
Looking at the webcams, only the groundworks is progressing as it does not depend on cranes.

 
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Bobba (IP Logged)
20/01/2018 13:20
Not sure about the South Stand having stalled. It seems to have grown two sections in the last week or so, and is now past the half way mark. The groundwork on the North Stand seems to have picked up and is progressing noticeably.

I also noticed, on the occasional visits to the live web cams, that these are showing lovely night time views of the stadium. It seems to me that, whoever it is that switches the cams on an off, does not know which way is on and which is off. Some tuition clearly required. SMUK, Leeds Rugby, Or Caddick Construction please note! Some on here would like to be able to supervise the construction process during the daylight hours rather than gaze at the night sky over the stadium as good as it is (Bradford in the distance).

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
26/01/2018 18:43
Caddick Construction might not be the most highly rated contractor around, but thank goodness the works are not being carried out by Carillion!
Paul Caddick would not let a company carrying his name, and working for an organisation under his ownership, fail to deliver. That said, if there are justifiable reasons, it is conceivable that the end date on the rugby side might just slip a few weeks, though the cricket deadline just has to be met.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
29/01/2018 09:38
With reference to my comments above:

[www.constructionenquirer.com]

Pretty sure Caddick has not taken on this contract by choice, but as the developer he needs to keep the plates spinning on the sticks.

With regard to Emerald Headingley, I have got a gut feeling that the South Stand is slipping behind schedule. The weather has not been kind in the past few weeks, no roofing progress has been made and even some of the safety nets were blowing in the wind yesterday and will require re-fixing before roofing could even start.
I note that they have created an entrance to the Western terrace via the ginnel behind, no doubt to accommodate the Rhinos fans in a few weeks' time.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
05/02/2018 17:39
Latest report from the club is a lot more optimistic than mine, let's hope it is true:

[yorkshirecarnegie.com]

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
14/02/2018 21:53
The first Rhinos home match is 2nd March, and I think the construction team have re-scheduled activities to keep this on track. Although roofing works on the South Stand have not yet started, the Carnegie Stand end of the new South Stand standing area is being prepared to accept spectators and the crowd barriers are in place. Plus the temporary stand (albeit without a roof) on the north side is progressing well.

Let's hope it doesn't rain on 2nd March.

 
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Bobba (IP Logged)
20/02/2018 13:49
After this weekend's match, what, no update from Almost?!?

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
21/02/2018 18:44
The construction effort seems to be concentrating on accommodating the Rhinos game on 2nd March. The lower tier South Stand and temporary stand (cricket side) have made good progress. However the roof to the South Stand still only has the access stairway, scaffold edge protection and safety nets:looks several weeks behind, due no doubt to the dodgy weather.

JDH any further thoughts?

 
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JDH (IP Logged)
21/02/2018 20:46
I thought the south stand looks to be taking an age. As you stay prob weather played it's part.

 
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Tyko (IP Logged)
21/02/2018 23:28
Is the south stand structure substantially complete? It doesn't appear to extend fully to the western end of the pitch. Or maybe that end will be completed when the crane and other plant etc are moved.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
22/02/2018 08:39
There are two more bays of steel to erect. Up to now the crane erecting the steel has been side-on, meaning that a relatively modestly-sized crane can be used. The last two bays will require the crane to sit behind the stand and the greater "radius of lift" will mean a bigger crane is required. I suspect that this second phase of lifting has been delayed to allow ground-level access from behind the stand for plant.

 
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Tyko (IP Logged)
22/02/2018 16:02
Thanks for that Almo. I thought it must be something like that.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
27/02/2018 11:19
Feel sorry for the construction team this week. Terrible weather and they have to be ready for the Rhinos match on Friday evening.

Having hung up my hi-vis jacket after 40 years, I feel quite smug (as I turn up the central heating and make a cup of tea).

Get the feeling that, with the weather and so much effort is going into facilitating the Rhinos match, that the permanent construction is suffering and in delay.

 
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Bobba (IP Logged)
28/02/2018 14:25
Not much work going on at Headingley today. And I thought that builders were made of tough stuff! No doubt they will be at their homes building snowmen!

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
28/02/2018 17:05
A decision on whether Rhino's Friday night game is on will be made tomorrow morning. The pitch and the building works are OK, but safety of the public areas and car park is the main concern. Catalan Dragons are due to fly into Leeds-Bradford Airport, assuming it is open.

[EDIT] No surprise - the Rhino's match is off.



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almostatyke (IP Logged)
17/03/2018 08:42
Phil Daly's done another report for me:

[yorkshirecarnegie.com]

Perfectly understandable that we are using the Carnege stand only for the rest of the season (we don't fill it, do we?) and Phil makes the point that the temporary stand and south stand temporary standing area for the Rhinos is disruptive to construction progress and places a staff and administrative burden on the club.

Absent from the report is any kind of comment on how the progress is going.........perhaps ominous, given that the terrible weather must have taken it's toll.

 
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Bobba (IP Logged)
17/03/2018 15:45
Perhaps remote controlled cranes would speed up progress?

 
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Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
20/03/2018 10:20
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So it seems. They have applied for a planning variation to work from 8.00 - 3.00 on Saturdays rather than 9.00 - 1.00 as now.

This has finally been determined by the council. After a few local objections (presumably from those who like a lie-in on Saturday), and perhaps taking account of the longer daylight now available, the application has been allowed, but for 9.00-4.00 rather than 8.00-3.00. Let's hope the weather now improves so they can crack on, though I note than some long-range forecasts are mentioning Beast #3 for the easter weekend. (Sm68)

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
20/03/2018 18:10
Thanks for the update Albert, if I lived near the ground I would object to a 8 a.m. Saturday start, after all there has been quite a bit of disruption with traffic lights on St Michael's Lane already. Also in reality, concrete wagons, steel deliveries etc all arrive about 30 minutes before the official site opening, waiting outside the site with engines running but at least the locals can sleep to 8.30ish.

 
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Gelbel (IP Logged)
09/04/2018 09:28
Wow - now it's starting to take shape on the cricket side, it's looking good. Going to be one impressive stadium once completed.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
10/04/2018 11:09
http://v4admin.sportnetwork.net/upload/102/102_0_1523354600.jpg

The above photo shows Terry waiting to welcome the teams on Sunday. Also there is a clear illustration of how a "balanced cantilever" roof works for the combined cricket/rugby stand.

I note that there still is no roofing on the South Stand. Strange that the access tower and handrail scaffold, plus the safety nets, have been in place for months. Both these items attract a healthy weekly hire charge - so why would you put them in place and do nothing?

 
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John R (IP Logged)
10/04/2018 14:23
A fine image of a balanced cantilever stand in the making Almo!
It is quite clear that once completed, the north and south stand will integrate well with the existing east stand to produce a fantastic facility for rugby and cricket.

We manage to produce good players for all the Premiership players. All we now need is to keep some of them, acquire some finance to back the club and some nouse from the management..............

Not much to ask, I suggest.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
10/04/2018 15:28
http://v4admin.sportnetwork.net/upload/102/102_0_1523370122.jpg

Update, good news:

1) Roofing of the South Stand has now begun; see above, roof sheets being lifted by new tower crane situated in the old car park.
2) My source, close to the action, has revealed that the construction team are now quite relaxed about progress and feel that they are on target.



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Bobba (IP Logged)
11/04/2018 08:54
By heck Almo.Your "source" must be making a fortune from you!

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
11/04/2018 09:46
Tis but a small sacrifice in order to keep you up to date.

 
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Bobba (IP Logged)
22/05/2018 10:14
By heck! Six weeks or so have gone by without an update. Is progress being made, or has it all stopped to concentrate on Craddick's latest 300m venture? Time for a haircut Almo?

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
30/05/2018 19:26
Walked past Headingley this afternoon.... and Wow! what a lot is happening. Firstly the TV companies and cricket blazers are busy setting up for the next embarrassing England cricket defeat against Pakistan, starting Friday. The car park is full of Mercedes etc, not builders' vans.
But the construction activities are also buzzing. The level of activity accords with my experience of a site going flat-out to achieve tight deadlines, and I think that Caddick Construction are now in their comfort zone in dealing with internal finishes, car park construction etc; the sort of stuff they are used to.
The first tarmac is going down in the car park, the delayed roofing is now complete on the South Stand and I noticed the luminaires for the new floodlighting being assembled, ready to lift to the front edge of the South Stand roof.
Looking good!

 
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Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
30/05/2018 20:02
Didn't the Luminaires sing backing vocals for Elvis?

Good to hear things are progressing well. Wouldn't it be grand if we could try it out at a pre-season game?

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

 
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Madtyke (IP Logged)
01/06/2018 08:20
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Good to hear things are progressing well. Wouldn't it be grand if we could try it out at a pre-season game?

Albert you should be on the comedy circuit with jokes like that...(Sm100)

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almostatyke (IP Logged)
03/06/2018 21:09
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the TV companies and cricket blazers are busy setting up for the next embarrassing England cricket defeat against Pakistan

I eat my words! With pleasure. Well done Joe Root and with Jimmy, Jimmy Anderson plus Stuart Broad back at their best, Pakistan had no chance.
Only regret was that I was thinking of a cheap 4th day ticket.....

 
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Madtyke (IP Logged)
04/06/2018 07:04
It was reported that Joe Root told young Sam Curran that they were only building half of the North Stand so that Yorkshire supporters could sit and watch from the South Stand for 50p.

[www.arborfieldoldboys.co.uk]

 
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Wildwillie (IP Logged)
16/08/2018 13:12
Drove past the ground yesterday & the new cricket stand towers over the rugby side. There is a live stream on the offy so you can see what it looks like from our side.

(Sm134)

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