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Not a nine.

By Carnegiette2
October 8 2017

It’s well documented that we have a small squad, but if anyone had told me we would play 70 minutes of today’s game with Chris Elder at 9 and Pete Lucock at 10, I would have assumed they were hallucinating……..however that is exactly what happened.  

Both teams scored 4 tries but Richmond won 31-20 as they converted all their tries, and scored a penalty. Our tries were great, but due to a combination of a swirling wind and lack of recognised kickers on the pitch, none were converted. 

With Jonah Holmes again watching from the stands (what a waste!)– we conceded first to an interception try. Irvine was very quickly off the pitch and after Watkins had scored his first try for the club (the club twitter feed mistakenly had it as Casson’s), Alex Davies was clearly also struggling with a thumb/hand injury. He took (and missed) the first conversion but then came off.

Having conceded again, our second try was made by a McColl/Brown break after which Lucock chipped for Sanderson to score. Lucock was acting Captain and he and Stevie were taking kicks – to be fair both gained a lot of ground when kicking for touch. The Lineout was not functioning however, and we went in 21-10 down at half time having conceded again just before. 

Chris Elder is a very good player – and our third try was a brilliant individual effort from him to score from his own half- but I don’t think anyone would describe him as a scrum half.  The scrum was generally functioning well, but by now it was a guessing game as to who was playing in which position – after Casson came off, there was (another) welcome return for Richard Beck, but that left Bainbridge at centre.  Forsyth was binned as Richmond scored their 4th try.

James Thraves has come on twice in the back row recently, but when he, Imiolek and Buckle came on in the last few minutes we were pushing for a 4th try. After 3 lineouts in their 22, which resulted in 2 yellow cards for Richmond, we thought we had blown it, but Mike Myerscough had other ideas and scored from 30 metres out to rescue a point.

There’s no shortage of team spirit or skill with this team. There’s just not enough of them. With a fully fit squad – I have no doubt we would have won today’s game. Losing Irvine and Davies so early was unlucky but a risk we take without having a replacement 9 and 10 on the bench. That said, credit to Richmond for taking their chances. We now have a 2 week break for the B&I and I literally have no idea what team we are going to field for these games. The word is Rich Mayhew will be back for the Bedford game, and Max Green back from suspension, but we have to get some more players from somewhere. A lot is made of the success of our academy players - I suggest now is the time to see what they’re made of.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017:10:17:19:10:02 by Wildwillie .

 
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Re: Form a Kew for the injury room
Gelbel (IP Logged)
08/10/2017 07:53
Great insight - thanks Susie. Club Twitter was little and poor yesterday which was very, very frustrating.

Elder is a tall lad - his back must be bad today from all that bending.

And when, oh when, is the line out going to function?

 
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farmertyke (IP Logged)
08/10/2017 08:31
Thanks . Injuries are always part of the game but I think the fact we do not have a good post kicker to be a bigger challenge.

 
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Re: Form a Kew for the injury room
JDH (IP Logged)
08/10/2017 09:07
You have to have cover for 9 and 10. I doubt any other professional club did the same Saturday

 
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Re: Form a Kew for the injury room
Wildwillie (IP Logged)
08/10/2017 09:16
I agree wuith C2 - time to blood the academy lads - Ollie Fox et al - especially as we are in the break for the cup'

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Re: Form a Kew for the injury room
almostatyke (IP Logged)
08/10/2017 10:08
Thank you for comprehensively enlightening me!

The club backroom first team was obviously at the Rhinos yesterday, hence quality of twitter & lateness of their report (first time I can recall the forum has beaten them).

Well done C2.

 
haxbytyke
Re: Form a Kew for the injury room
Haxbytyke (IP Logged)
08/10/2017 10:40
Thanks C2.

Notwithstanding the injuries, (and with all respect to Richmond), we should still be capable of winning games like this, but sadly, since the name change, there has been no significant investment in the team, and with no more expected for a couple of years we have a threadbare, unbalanced squad, and are sliding downhill. I do not doubt the efforts of the players, but you have to wonder how much effort the club put into retaining Jonah, Buzz, Plug, and Joe Ford!

Off the pitch, the club, with the odd exception, show scant respect for the fans. As has been pointed out, the twitter feed was poor yesterday, the Rhinos playing on the same day is no excuse Almo.

Some of you may see this as negative, I see it as being realistic.

COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.



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Re: Form a Kew for the injury room
Mark_C (IP Logged)
08/10/2017 11:56
Haxby is right with his realistic summing up. The club is called YORKSHIRE Carnegie, it shouldn't still be playing second-fiddle to LEEDS Rhinos.

 
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Zandra YaPoI (IP Logged)
08/10/2017 12:42
Quote:
Haxbytyke
I do not doubt the efforts of the players, but you have to wonder how much effort the club put into retaining Jonah, Buzz, Plug, and Joe Ford!

In at least one of those cases you list above Haxby, I can tell you the answer is, absolutely no @#$%& effort whatsoever.

Apologies for my candor there and I know financially we had to trim the squad, but it is having implications now.

I feel for Jimmy, his monday mornings must resemble a post battle roll call at Rorke's Drift.

Zandra YaPoI
YaPoI - Yorkshire and Proud of It

'proficiscor in una'

 
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JDH (IP Logged)
08/10/2017 14:18
As above we need to use the much hyped youngsters. Ready or not. We have no choice

 
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Wildwillie (IP Logged)
08/10/2017 14:20
...the difference being that we won at Rorke's Drift!

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Carnegiette2
Re: Form a Kew for the injury room
Carnegiette2 (IP Logged)
08/10/2017 14:22
Back to the topic of the match- JDH I agree with you about cover, though to be fair its the first game I have ever seen where both the 9&10 were lost to injury 10 minutes in.

Playing without cover for either was a gamble and one which failed. We might have got away with just losing Irvine but Davies was the final straw. It's a shame as even with a makeshift half back pairing we scored the same number of tries- and they were good ones!

 
Carnegiette2
Re: Form a Kew for the injury room
Carnegiette2 (IP Logged)
08/10/2017 14:24
Quote:
JDH
As above we need to use the much hyped youngsters. Ready or not. We have no choice

Exactly this

 
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headingleytyke (IP Logged)
08/10/2017 14:29
Not enough planning has gone into what we need this season. For a proffessional club to loose to an amateur side is a disgrace. If we can only have a limited number of players plan for cover, not just on numbers. JL was first to admit some of the squad had not looked after themselves in close season which does not help. This season let's just play to keep up

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
08/10/2017 16:09
As I see it, the club needed to trim a million pounds off its costs whilst the Carnegie Sponsorship was sorted out, and this coincided with a club of enormous resources being relegated (Bristol) plus the removal of the play-offs. This season, either we could have a full complement of mediocre players, or we could keep a limited number of good quality Championship players that would form the core of a future promotion-chasing squad once Bristol are out of the way and the Carnegie funds, though reduced, become available.
The club chose the later option, which makes sense to me, and losing the odd game due to lack of injury cover this season is a price worth paying.

Back to topic - we drew this match 4 tries-all, got one bonus point in an away match, so we are well on target for mid-table. What's the problem?

 
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SideStep (IP Logged)
08/10/2017 23:58
Same old same old with this club. Whatever the name since the Powergen cup win it's been 1 step forward and 3 back. What i would give for the days of PD with Braam Scabs and the lads.

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Re: Form a Kew for the injury room
Feeding (IP Logged)
09/10/2017 07:56
It's all about financial reality,so I thought some of you may be interested in an artle I found over the weekend.Can't do the link but it was on rugbyballs.org,dated 22 Sept by Graham Simmons.

Essentially it stated that Premiership Clubs made a collective loss of £20 mill last season,up from £15 mill the previous season.

Worcester are seeking fresh 'investment' after losing £16 mill over the past three seasons and are budgeting for a loss of £4 mill this year.They are not alone,Wasps lost £3.8 mill in 15/16,Harlequins £2.2 mill Newcastle £2.1 mill etc.Only Exeter £0.9 mill and Northampton £0.6 mill were in the black.

It seems that any 'extended season' as is wanted by some,would only add to the losses,as would increasing the number of clubs to 14,so little or no chance of either.Realistically,do we want to be part of that?!

 
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JDH (IP Logged)
09/10/2017 13:17
Not really. Those figures are crazy.

I would be happy with 2 scrum halves in the match squad though! No post match said it all.

 
haxbytyke
Re: Form a Kew for the injury room
Haxbytyke (IP Logged)
09/10/2017 14:44
a couple of questions re Saturday.

1. Was Jimmy Lowes there? I only ask because in The Rugby Paper it was Dave Baldwin who provided the post match statement.

2. Jonah has attended most Carnegie games this season. has he actually played a game for Leicester, as it seems the A team games are being postponed almost every week because of injuries?

COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.

 
Carnegiette2
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Carnegiette2 (IP Logged)
09/10/2017 15:39
Quote:
Haxbytyke
a couple of questions re Saturday.
1. Was Jimmy Lowes there? I only ask because in The Rugby Paper it was Dave Baldwin who provided the post match statement.

2. Jonah has attended most Carnegie games this season. has he actually played a game for Leicester, as it seems the A team games are being postponed almost every week because of injuries?

1/ Yes Jimmy was there

2/ Jonah has played in the A league games they have had- not sure how many or how many have been postponed

To add to the financial bit (all rumour by the way) Allegedly Bris's playing budget this year is £5-6m!!! and heard several versions of the same thing on Saturday saying they have a couple of players who are on several hundred thousand per year....... no idea if true but if so this is just crazy!

 
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JDH (IP Logged)
09/10/2017 16:09
No slight on jonah but the tigers have some pretty decent wingers to choose from.

 
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PorthosTyke (IP Logged)
10/10/2017 18:18
The lineout on Saturday was truly shocking. Given that we know that our first-choice hooker has issues with throwing, isn't it time to see if we have a back who can do it?

The catch-and-drive is no longer available as at attacking option, because we lose the lineout. And Richmond quickly worked out they could kick the ball out at will because they'd win it back.

I learned from one of the players that he had played at Hartpury when sick with a virus, but had had to because of no cover in the squad. We thought at the time that he could barely walk.

Alex Davies wasn't sure what was up with his wrist. Probably not broken, but he was in a lot of discomfort.

We did actually have scrum-half cover at the ground. But for some reason opted to leave him off the bench. (Don't know his name - fair haired lad who was carrying the water.)

PT

 
haxbytyke
Re: Form a Kew for the injury room
Haxbytyke (IP Logged)
10/10/2017 19:39
Didn't we let a decent hooker who could throw accurately leave at the end of last season?

COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.

 
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Re: Form a Kew for the injury room
JDH (IP Logged)
10/10/2017 21:06
I think fox was the 9. Should have been on the bench.

 
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Re: Form a Kew for the injury room
Madtyke (IP Logged)
10/10/2017 22:50
Alex Davies has had a wrist/hand injury fir at least 6 weeks. He also has a tight hamstring but needs must and he has had to play apparently.

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Re: Form a Kew for the injury room
JDH (IP Logged)
11/10/2017 08:46
Sure that is the same for most teams, patching up players will be the norm. What isn't often the norm is not having key position replacements.

 
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Re: Form a Kew for the injury room
PorthosTyke (IP Logged)
11/10/2017 08:50
We also noted that the team travelled to Hartpury on the day (we met them in the M42 services).

They would have arrived maybe 90 minutes to 2 hours before kick off.

Which probably explains the shocking first half.

The cost-cutting is having an effect.

PT.

 
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JDH (IP Logged)
12/10/2017 09:00
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We are not the only ones struggling. They just have larger squads.

Good article I thought.

 
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Re: Form a Kew for the injury room
almostatyke (IP Logged)
12/10/2017 09:37
Well spotted JDH - excellent article. A couple of extracts that were poignant:

1) Lots of injured players mean you train at a lower level as you cannot put up quality opposition to practice moves from your squad.

2) the only game you play injury-free is your first one.

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