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Discussion started by PoyntonShark , 23 March, 2017 03:14
Lions
PoyntonShark 23 March, 2017 03:14
I'm fed up of bickering about signings or lack thereof and the state of management of our club. Lets have a bicker about something else instead. We've got about 4 weeks to set Gatland straight.

What are your thoughts on Lions selection.

I don't see too many shoe ins. All 4 teams have players in most positions who could offer up a valid argument for selection. I haven't decided on a complete squad yet and having particular difficulties with centres, no 6N performances have particularly stood out for me, Josephs hat-trick apart.

So far I have

Loose head - Mako, McGrath probably one more to come
Tight Head - Furlong two more, possibly Cole due to experience, maybe Nel if fitness and form return
Hooker - Best, Owens one more for me probably time for George to overtake Hartley
Donkey - Wynn Jones, Itoje, Launchbury couple more to come, Henderson maybe with ability to cover back row with Itoje. Johnny Gray a possiblity. Kruis possible usual caveats
FLanker - Stander, Tipuric, Warburton, O'Brien one or two more, but have locks who can cover
No 8 - Vunipola probably only one more with Stander covering, Faletau needs to show form and is probably Gatlands choice, Heaslip another obvious possibility
Scrum Half - Murray, Webb, Laidlaw
Fly Half - Sexton, Biggar maybe another but likely to take Farrell as centre
Centre - Farrell, Joseph, Henshaw at least 2 more Ringrose, Davies, Huw Jones all in with a shout, Teo a possible dark horse
Wing - perm 4 from North, Williams, Daly, Zebo, Earls, Watson, Nowell, Visser, Seymour
Full Back - Hogg, Halfpenny

Have at it.



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Re: Lions
MikeGC 23 March, 2017 04:13
I think Peter O'Mahony stands a good chance of a tour spot.
Halfpenny almost certainly in the test 15 for his kicking

Re: Lions
PoyntonShark 23 March, 2017 07:37
I think O'Mahony stands a chance too, along with a few others.
Not so sure Halfpenny is anything like as guaranteed his test spot as in the past. The rest of his game has been far less effective lately, and with the likes of Sexton and Farrell we have other Test quality (though a little less reliable than Halfpenny) options.



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Re: Lions
thekeg 23 March, 2017 07:45
I don't really see halfpenny going on the tour, Farrell seems like the obvious kicker to me. I think Liam Williams might be the FB cover.

I'd take O'Mahoney.

Huw Jones injured and out of the tour but I'd have taken him if fit.

Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 23 March, 2017 08:14
George is far better than Owens but needed to start a 6N game.

I think it'll be about 28 from ireland and wales with a few scotland & England players. it's Gatland ffs.



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Re: Lions
LPCWOOKIE 23 March, 2017 08:26
Cant see that Wynn-jones has done anything to justify selection would rate both Greys, Itoje, Lawes, Lauchbury, Kruis (if fit) Henderson and Toner ahead of him



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Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 23 March, 2017 08:41
Wynn-Jones will be captain so he's got to be in - like Hartley is for England.



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Re: Lions
BenHK 23 March, 2017 09:00
Solomona to start at 13

Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 23 March, 2017 09:07
Is he in the frame?



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Re: Lions
BenHK 23 March, 2017 09:15
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Is he in the frame?

Healey touting him and TT as the two wild cards to be picked for the Lions.

Has Solomona been declared as an EQP yet? If he has, and he doesn't make the plane to NZ, hopefully he'll be in the England squad for Argentina

Re: Lions
LPCWOOKIE 23 March, 2017 09:28
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Wynn-Jones will be captain so he's got to be in - like Hartley is for England.

Again why on earth should he be captain he's hardly provided inspirational leadership for the welsh and arguably isn't even in the top 6 in his postion



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Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 23 March, 2017 09:31
Because Gatland is selector.

Solomona may well make the England tour if he declares for England. He is eqp now I think but has said he doesn't want to play for England.

TT is better than Owens as is George.



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Re: Lions
PoyntonShark 23 March, 2017 09:45
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thekeg
I don't really see halfpenny going on the tour,

If he doesn't, even with cover I think he will take 2 specialist FB's, that might leave room for the Cul-de-sac. There just might be an explosion in Kendal.



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Re: Lions
hilly07 23 March, 2017 09:59
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Mrs Trellis of North Wales
Because Gatland is selector.
Solomona may well make the England tour if he declares for England. He is eqp now I think but has said he doesn't want to play for England.

TT is better than Owens as is George.

Was that a quote back when he played a tinpot sport that has no money outside of the Australian league? 22 grand per game for England Rugby might change his mind

Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 23 March, 2017 10:27
It would change my mind.



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Re: Lions
ale shark 23 March, 2017 11:34
He'll have been registered as an EQP but that doesn't mean anything in terms of his intentions, I just means Sale can use him as an EQP rather than a foreigner. He'll be an EQP going forwards unless he's picked for NZ or Samoa. A bit like Marc Jones, he was EQP but still available for Wales if they were interested.

Back to the Lions I can't see halfpenny even in the squad, he's a passenger to Wales and with Farrell a shoe-in he's just not needed.

I hope AWJ isn't captain, there's better players and better leaders around. I don't think his leadership of the welsh national team has been great. Having said that I've got no idea who the test skipper will be. I'd rather go with Warburton. I can't see Hartley being England skipper for much longer, he's not bringing enough to the squad and there's very obvious room for improvement in his position.

Its as open a lions selection as I've know. There's only about 3-4 certainties (Murray, Sexton, Farrell and Itoje) and even then there's arguments against.

Re: Lions
jamestaylorreturns 23 March, 2017 12:38
discussion and debate and disagreements about the Lions - good- democratic society at work

let it continue throughout topics of any description...??

Re: Lions
MartWhit 23 March, 2017 12:47
I have to disagree with LPC Wookie. I think AWJ owned both Gray brothers, and alongside Warburton and Moriarty was a massive physical presence that prevented England running over a limited Welsh side. He'd be in my 1st choice XV and a strong candidate for captain.

The bolters are the most interesting aspect here IMO. Hooker and Fullback are notably thin. I think George is the best available, with Best having redeemed himself last weekend and Hartley competing with Owens, TT and possibly Sean Cronin if fit.

At Fullback, Hogg wil tour and probably start the test series. But Liam Williams may disrupt that, especialy if an inform George North is paired with Seymour, Daly or Nowell. Maitland is a potential wild card IMO. His finishing has been out of this world for Sarries this year.

Re: Lions
clutch 23 March, 2017 13:00
Plenty of options on the wing. I'd have AWJ in my team. He's proven top quality player and a modern welsh great. It's easy to look at Wales' record and assume that he's not a great leader. Do we really know if that is true.

Hilly07 that tin pot gate attracts more fans than we do at the moment.

Re: Lions
PoyntonShark 23 March, 2017 14:24
I didn't realise Huw Jones was already declared out, probably makes Davies a cert.

Not sure I understand how Wyn Jones' captaincy is responsible for Wales being less able to score tries. Still comfortably on the tour for me and by no means certain to captain, possibly not even a cert for the tests, (though Gatland has said that the tour captain is not certain to play) depending on Kruis' return the Itoje, Kruis partnership may be impossible to ignore.

I had completely forgotten Maitland in my thinking, thanks Martwhit, very remiss of me. You are right he should be up there with a chance along with the others.

Clutch, I'm surprised you dignified that with a response.



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Re: Lions
Flumpty 23 March, 2017 15:09
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thekeg
I don't really see halfpenny going on the tour,

If he doesn't, even with cover I think he will take 2 specialist FB's, that might leave room for the Cul-de-sac. There just might be an explosion in Kendal.

If the central part of the Lions plan to beat the All Blacks is to have our Full Back catching the ball, identifying the biggest All Blacks on the field, running directly at them and being tackled to the ground and having the ball stifled in a ruck, then step forward Mr Cul-De-Sac, for noone does that task better than him.

Re: Lions
thekeg 23 March, 2017 15:51
I'd take AWJ and think he is a certain tourist

Re: Lions
isitme 23 March, 2017 18:08
George, Owens, Brown
Vunipola, McGrath, Marler
Furlong, Cole, Lee
Kruis, Itoje, Lawes, Launchbury, J Gray
Stander, Tipuric, Vunipola, Moriarty, Warburton, Faletau, O'Mahoney
Murray, Webb, Youngs
Sexton, Ford
Farrell, Joseph, Henshaw, Davies, Daly
Watson, North, Zebo, Maitland
Hogg, Williams

That would be my current squad of 37. Hooker is a real weakness and there will be tough calls at lock and in the back row. Although listed with the centres Daly could cover the back three as well. Maitland's ability to cover full back gets him the nod as the final winger ahead of Seymour.

Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 23 March, 2017 18:16
TT instead of Owens, Best not Brown. Synckler not Lee. AWJ not Gray. Biggar not Ford.



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Re: Lions
Barend 23 March, 2017 18:31
A Lions squad without Halfpenny will not be a Gatland Lions squad. Scrap Maitland.

Re: Lions
Irish_Shark 23 March, 2017 20:13
What might go against the welsh is that they have no team in the champions cup quarter finals, which is the closest these player will come to a test match before the final squad is picked. Munster, Leinster, Glasgow, Saracens and wasps players will have a chance to show their value for the tour.

Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 23 March, 2017 22:02
They've just been shafted royally. Peyper is doing the first test.



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Re: Lions
yukon 24 March, 2017 08:47
I can;'t believe so many are overlooking Hartley. Okay, he isn't the best available hooker but he's not the best hooker in the England squad; what he is is the best leader. I would genuinely make him Lions captain, no one else has come close to him over the last two years. Okay he's an idiot at times but that hasn;t affected his international contribution.

If we are going to get anything away in New Zealand, we are going to need grit and there is no grittier player than DH.

For me, and as broken old front rower, this pains me to say, this tour will be won in the backs. The forwards are similarly matched and should cancel each other out a bit. The difference is going to be in the guile and skill of the coloured boot wearers with too much hair gel. On that basis, I think:

HB's Murray & Sexton- consistent, familiar excellence.

Wings- Visser is a great shout and I also like Watson I want to say Daly, he looks superb. I think North has been too hit and miss & Zebo I like but has he done enough,

Centre's- Faz & JJ- see my HB reasoning.

FB- Hogg just for being consistently superb.

Re: Lions
Chris1850 24 March, 2017 09:00
On the evidence of the 6N, Daly has to start. He is the form player.

Re: Lions
MartWhit 24 March, 2017 09:31
Can anyone explain specifically what Anthony Watson has done this year to be in the frame with so many people.

I see the boy has pace, but he falls over more often than he completes a carry, he's been injured for a large segment of the season, and shown no huge gamebreaking form since he's been back. I think he was lucky to get in the England side ahead of Nowell or May, so I really dont see him as a lion.

Re: Lions
yukon 24 March, 2017 09:56
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Can anyone explain specifically what Anthony Watson has done this year to be in the frame with so many people.
I see the boy has pace, but he falls over more often than he completes a carry, he's been injured for a large segment of the season, and shown no huge gamebreaking form since he's been back. I think he was lucky to get in the England side ahead of Nowell or May, so I really dont see him as a lion.

I think it's a case of best of a mediocre bunch. I really like Nowell too.

visser & Daly for me I think

Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 24 March, 2017 11:50
Some are putting Robshaw in the frame. England missed his grit if not his captaincy.



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Re: Lions
MartWhit 24 March, 2017 12:03
Back 3, I'd hope that Hogg & Williams get the nod at fullback, which gives more flexibility on the wings.

Personally I'd go for North, Daly, Seymour & Maitland

Re: Lions
BasilBullneck 24 March, 2017 13:38
It's been a long time since there has been such competition for places.

I'm not sure if the size of the touring party has been declared, and Gatland will have a thought as to how he wants to play the game, but assuming it is based first and foremost on forward dominance, and on the basis that Gatland will pick AWJ as a trusted lieutenant, I would pick to tour (assuming fitness):

Loosehead: Vunipola, Healy, McGrath
Hooker: Best, Ford, George
Tighthead: Furlong, Nel, Sinckler
Lock: AWJ, Launchbury, Itoje, Kruis, J Gray
Blind side: O'Mahoney, Stander, Moriarty
Openside: Warburton, Tipuric, OBrien, Watson
No8 Vunipola, Faletau
Scrum half: Murray, Webb, Laidlaw (mid-week captain)
Fly half: Sexton, Farrell
Centres: Joseph, Daly, Henshaw, Williams, Teo
Wings: North, Watson, Seymour, Nowell
FB: Hogg, Williams.


First choice xv:

Vunipola Best Furlong
AWJ, Itoje
Stander, Vunipola, Warburton
Murray
Sexton
Farrell
Joseph,
Watson
North
Hogg


I'd love to see George and Sinckler come off the bench - tremendous power, pace and ball handling for big men. Gatland has said he remains to be convinced Itoje is a 6, but he has a huge engine, and fantastic over the ball as well as real lineout presence. Kruis paired with AWJ would be another good combination (although I don't feel that AWJ's current form deserves selection for the tour, but I suspect gatland will want him as his captain).

Re: Lions
ale shark 18 April, 2017 23:44
Fun day ahead if rumours are to be believed

Re: Lions
DaveAitch 19 April, 2017 00:48
Gatland knows what he likes, and likes what he knows. Selection will be influenced more by that than form in the 6N.

Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 19 April, 2017 07:58
It seems likely that there'll be few England players. Looking like 15 wales, 15 ireland, 8 England, 2 scotland.



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Re: Lions
Flumpty 19 April, 2017 09:00
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It seems likely that there'll be few England players. Looking like 15 wales, 15 ireland, 8 England, 2 scotland.

I'm waiting for the squad to be announced before getting to excited/disappointed/confused/bamboozled/astonished.

I wonder if there'll be an "off the radar selection" that noone saw coming ?

Re: Lions
yukon 19 April, 2017 09:30
The Telegraph are saying Roberts in & Hartley out. If true, Roberts just shows Gatlands ridiculous Welsh bias, it's madness

Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 19 April, 2017 10:00
I never thought Hartley was in anyway - even had England done back-to-back GS.

TT wild card? - he's much better than Owens ffs.



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Re: Lions
Glossopshark 19 April, 2017 10:06
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Mrs Trellis of North Wales
It seems likely that there'll be few England players. Looking like 15 wales, 15 ireland, 8 England, 2 scotland.

So I guess the 8 will be:

M. Vunipola
Marler
Cole
Itoje
B. Vunipola
Youngs
Farrell
Watson

No place for Lawes?

Re: Lions
Tigger 19 April, 2017 10:12
Here's a surprise....Sam Warburton to captain Lions....

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Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 19 April, 2017 10:16
Lawes in for Youngs.



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Re: Lions
jamestaylorreturns 19 April, 2017 10:22
as Yukon says..Roberts?? was bench for wales never mind lions... been a great player (been being the key word).

Wales "alternatives & close friends " versus NZ me thinks............

Re: Lions
james46 19 April, 2017 10:36
After all Wales have done so well against Southern Hemi sides in the last 10 years. Roberts must surely be a joke, Quins supporters are not fond of him for a reason.

Re: Lions
Flumpty 19 April, 2017 10:40
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Here's a surprise....Sam Warburton to captain Lions....
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What an honour for the man - the absolute pinnacle of British Rugby and to do it twice.

Re: Lions
Glossopshark 19 April, 2017 10:42
3rd SH if not youngs?

Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 19 April, 2017 10:43
Me or a fit Laidlaw perhaps for his goal kicking.



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Re: Lions
Flumpty 19 April, 2017 12:26
For those who haven't seen it
British and Irish Lions 2017 squad

Forwards:

Rory Best (Ireland), Dan Cole (England), Taulupe Faletau (Wales), Tadhg Furlong (Ireland), Jamie George (England), Iain Henderson (Ireland), Maro Itoje (England), Alun Wyn Jones (Wales), George Kruis (England), Courtney Lawes (England), Joe Marler (England), Jack McGrath (Ireland), Ross Moriarty (Wales), Sean O'Brien (Ireland), Peter O'Mahony (Ireland), Ken Owens (Wales), Kyle Sinckler (England), CJ Stander (Ireland), Justin Tipuric (Wales), Billy Vunipola (England), Mako Vunipola (England), Sam Warburton (Wales)

Backs:

Dan Biggar (Wales), Elliot Daly (England), Jonathan Davies (Wales), Owen Farrell (England), Leigh Halfpenny (Wales), Robbie Henshaw (Ireland), Stuart Hogg (Scotland), Jonathan Joseph (England), Conor Murray (Ireland), George North (Wales), Jack Nowell (England), Jared Payne (Ireland), Jonathan Sexton (Ireland), Tommy Seymour (Scotland), Ben Te'o (England), Anthony Watson (England), Rhys Webb (Wales), Liam Williams (Wales), Ben Youngs (England)

Coach Warren Gatland has chosen 16 England players, 12 from Wales, 11 from Ireland and two from Scotland.


This was a long way short of reality |:-Mrs Trellis of North Wales
It seems likely that there'll be few England players. Looking like 15 Wales, 15 Ireland, 8 England, 2 Scotland.

I imagine that there will be a few heartbroken international rugby players today (& some pinching themselves to make sure that there mates aren't winding them up).



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Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 19 April, 2017 12:31
Backs:-Biggar, Daly, J Davies, Farrell, Halfpenny, Henshaw, Hogg, Joseph, Murray, North, Nowell, Payne, Sexton, Seymour, Te'o, Watson,Webb, L Williams, Youngs.

Forwards:- Best, Cole, Faletau, Furlong, George, Henderson, Itoje, AW Jones, Kruis, Lawes, Marler, McGrath, Moriarty, O'Brien, O'Mahony, Owens, Sinckler, Stander, Tipuric, M Vunipola, B Vunipola, Warburton.

No Henson???



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Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 19 April, 2017 12:32
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9xYxznXkAA_e-1.jpg



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Re: Lions
NorthernMaori 19 April, 2017 12:35
How Te'o, Payne and Biggar are in that squad is beyond me. Would have rather seen Ringrose, Russell and Taylor. They would've been more exciting and in Taylor's case increased versatility.

Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 19 April, 2017 12:45
Tommy Taylor?



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Re: Lions
Irish_Shark 19 April, 2017 12:51
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Tommy Taylor?

Scottish Taylor i think

Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 19 April, 2017 12:57
No Launchbury is a scandal - he should change his name to Llaunchbury or O'Launchbury.



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Re: Lions
clutch 19 April, 2017 13:03
Always going to be some absentees you don't agree with, but it is a good, fair and well balanced squad.

Re: Lions
Glossopshark 19 April, 2017 14:03
How Launchbury is not the first name on the team sheet, never mind in the squad, is quite a thing.

Re: Lions
jamestaylorreturns 19 April, 2017 15:21
....so whats 15 for first test match then??

Re: Lions
WiganSaler 19 April, 2017 15:23
Favourites and prejudices aside, it's still a very good squad. I suspect form and class have had their sway, but there you go.(Sm100)



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Re: Lions
ale shark 19 April, 2017 15:35
Halfpenny aside it's a fair call. Launchbury will still feature in at least one test

Re: Lions
BasilBullneck 19 April, 2017 17:17
Starting xv from that squad:
Hogg

North, Payne, Farrell, Williams

Sexton, Murray

Vunipola, Best, Furlong

Kruis, Itoje

Warburton, Vunipola, O'Mahony

Reserves: McGrath, Owens, Sinkler, Talepau, Jones; Youngs; Daly; Watson.

Can't wait for the series to start.

Re: Lions
Chris1850 19 April, 2017 17:32
Largely agree with that 15 though I don't see how you can leave Daly out of the starting line up when he was the stand out player in the 6N?

Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 19 April, 2017 18:05
Talepau - who the fks that?

I think George will have overtaken Best by the first test.



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Re: Lions
ashtonshark 19 April, 2017 18:13
Stuart Barnes made a good point (there's always a first for everything) when he said if its Sexton and Farrell at 10 and 12 who plays 10 midweek if Biggar gets injured. Unless of course Farrell is there solely as a 10 and not a 12 and so won't be in the starting line up (Sexton starting). Wouldn't surprise me if that's the case and Gatland goes for 2 boshers in the centres again. Can't see him deviating from Warrenball

Re: Lions
Irish_Shark 19 April, 2017 21:24
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Talepau - who the fks that?.

Faulupe Taletau

Re: Lions
Mrs Trellis of North Wales 19 April, 2017 21:44
Ah - the Speverend Rooner, the dear old queen.



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Re: Lions
ageinghoody 20 April, 2017 08:40
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NorthernMaori
How Te'o, Payne and Biggar are in that squad is beyond me. Would have rather seen Ringrose, Russell and Taylor. They would've been more exciting and in Taylor's case increased versatility.

Maybe Biggar is in for his pre-kick "Hakarena".

Re: Lions
BasilBullneck 20 April, 2017 12:04
Talepau - oops! Brainfart moment!! Glad you could see through the deliberate mistake!!

Re: Lions
MartWhit 20 April, 2017 12:08
Its a coherent squad for the type of rugby Gatland favour, and if we're being brutally honest, a physical direct style is probably the lions best chance to beat the AB's, they arent going to out skill or out run them.

41 players is an awful lot though. Only 10 games. I know the first will be tough to field a full team with many of the squad coming stright from finals matches, but even with inevitable injuries, I dont think that many players can be given a fair crack of the whip to earn a test place. I just worry they wont be able to get their rhythm until its too late.

Re: Lions
clutch 20 April, 2017 13:03
How many have been taken historically.

Gone are the days where the likes of Jeremy Davidson etc have the game time to overtake those pencilled in to start.

I guess each player will have 80 mins to impress (50 as starter in one game, and remainder off the bench).

Players will have to play out of their skin and or, others will have to play particularly poorly/get injured to have a real chance.

Re: Lions
yukon 20 April, 2017 13:14
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NorthernMaori
How Te'o, Payne and Biggar are in that squad is beyond me. Would have rather seen Ringrose, Russell and Taylor. They would've been more exciting and in Taylor's case increased versatility.

Maybe Biggar is in for his pre-kick "Hakarena".

That literally made me laugh out loud

Re: Lions
Yareet 20 April, 2017 15:37
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clutch
How many have been taken historically.
Gone are the days where the likes of Jeremy Davidson etc have the game time to overtake those pencilled in to start.

I guess each player will have 80 mins to impress (50 as starter in one game, and remainder off the bench).

Players will have to play out of their skin and or, others will have to play particularly poorly/get injured to have a real chance.

44 in 2005 but wasn't that thought of as large?
37 in '09 (but I guess it's easier to get replacements over to SA) and last time

Re: Lions
DaveAitch 20 April, 2017 17:22
33 in 1971 with 26 matches played, and, of course, a winning test series: the only winning series in New Zealand.


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