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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 22/08/2019 14:33 by Wildwillie .

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almostatyke
24 June, 2019 18:16
Thanks for writing this story WW and getting the messageboard back alive again after this afternoon's blackout.

I note on the Harrogate website, the club has denied that David Doherty has applied for a coaching position at Carnegie.

Our only hope is that there is something going on, under cover, with regard to coach and players, but even so it is a desperate hope.

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
24 June, 2019 18:39
I noticed that Nick Mayhew posted on the Carnegie Facebook page inquiring when pre-season is due to start? (Sm124)

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almostatyke
24 June, 2019 19:03
I meant to ask who the player pictured is - can't recall him. Perhaps he does rugby player kaioke?

Also sorry about my past reference to your cheap boots, you're a saint WW!

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corporalcarrot
26 June, 2019 08:59
Keep the faith lads. I hope you can make it work out well and I can look forward to watching matches in the South Stand with the drum beating. All the best CC



Don't kick it pick it up and GO FORWARD

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almostatyke
26 June, 2019 17:08
Thanks for your kind words CC.

Camquin
Camquin
26 June, 2019 20:47
The alternatives appear to be:

- a Leeds side with whoever they can beg,steal or borrow.

- a Richmond side bereft of some of their best players but with a
huge chip on their shoulder / point to prove.

- no game.

At the moment I do not see a good solution. The Leeds fans seem to have been sold a pup. Richmond shafted and rugby short changed.

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Wildwillie
27 June, 2019 07:04
Quote:
Camquin
The alternatives appear to be:
- a Leeds side with whoever they can beg,steal or borrow.

- a Richmond side bereft of some of their best players but with a
huge chip on their shoulder / point to prove.

- no game.

At the moment I do not see a good solution. The Leeds fans seem to have been sold a pup. Richmond shafted and rugby short changed.

Summed up in 65 words. (Sm124)

Billy ba
Billy ba
27 June, 2019 08:14
Same as last year except it was 30 full time pros and 4 coaches who got us to the bottom of the league table by Christmas. Might be easier this year

JDH1
JDH1
27 June, 2019 09:06
I like the way you think!

23Shark
23Shark
27 June, 2019 10:39
As a Sale forum we've got fed up of SportsNetwork and are moving across to an alternative forum - View From The 22

You guys are always welcome to join as it would be good to replicate the SN ability of switching between forums but on a site that isn't as obtrusive and is a lot more user friendly

Camquin
Camquin
27 June, 2019 15:36
There was a rumour from rotherhamtillidie on rolling maul that the CVA meeting is tomorrow and creditors are being offered 15p in the pound.

I do not have any other evidence for this.

JDH1
JDH1
27 June, 2019 18:27
Sad thing is our people get snapped up by the better sides in the prem etc. Imagine what we go do with our house in order and a bit of cash

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Gelbel
28 June, 2019 08:21
Quote:
Camquin
There was a rumour from rotherhamtillidie on rolling maul that the CVA meeting is tomorrow and creditors are being offered 15p in the pound.
I do not have any other evidence for this.

Jon Newcombe tweeted this - he's been spot on with everything so far... even if he does seem to relish our demise IMHO.

AnIdiotAbroad
AnIdiotAbroad
28 June, 2019 09:11
Seems we have some decent CVA and insider knowledge which helps to understand recent developments. Any ideas if the 15p in the £ also includes any Director or other loans or have they been protected/accounted for in a different way? Ask this as I saw somewhere the main CVA creditors are players which sounds odd bearing in mind published accounts and statements re stakeholder loans

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Albert Fishwick
28 June, 2019 10:30
Some of the previous information made public indicated that some shareholder/director loans were to be novated, ie taken on by a different party. I suspect that Keith Howard and Jon Wright are doing this for some of those who have a lesser exposure and don't want to take the haircut.



If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

oopnorth
oopnorth
28 June, 2019 14:57
I think I know what that means...........

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almostatyke
28 June, 2019 16:24
Albert, please can you explain what has gone on, in simple terms, once the details emerge?

If shareholder/directors loans are part of the Creditors then they could "overwhelm" the true creditors (i.e. players) and achieve a 75% acceptance of a CVA at say 1 pence in the pound and then just carry on? Or am I being too cynical?

The shareholders/directors are not expecting to get the loans back anyway?


(Sm105)

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Albert Fishwick
28 June, 2019 17:15
As it is a private company we may never get to know the details of the agreement reached, though a little will be seen once the accounts are finally published. The announcement does say that the deal was approved by all relevant creditors.



If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

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almostatyke
28 June, 2019 17:30
Agreed this is not a "victimless" solution. However if the players have managed to get contracts elsewhere at approaching 85% of the salary they would have got with Carnegie, then perhaps only pride is hurt.

Johnflinn
NOM
28 June, 2019 17:39
Seriously? Future contracts will not include back pay from a former club!

Perhaps if your wages were offered at 15p in the pound at the end of the month you would have a little more understanding of what this gross financial mismanagement means to those affected? a’club’ means ‘community’ and that means people - whilst the board may be merciless businessmen I would hope supporters would show more compassion.

That aside the RFU have yet to pass judgement on this outcome so whilst survival is something to be grateful for the future is far from assured.

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almostatyke
28 June, 2019 17:47
The players were paid in full last season, the creditor element is the unpaid promise of next season's employment for the 8 who had ongoing contracts but now have alternative employment.


Not nice but in business bad debts occur and in rugby broken promises/contracts are unfortunately a part of life as a professional sportsperson. If there was 100% acceptance of the agreement, and the rfu have been informed of what was happening all along, then surely we should now just look to the future?


Still a pretty impossible task to avoid relegation next season without negative sniping IMHO.

JDH1
JDH1
28 June, 2019 18:06
I thought relegation was scrapped next season?

Can we still lend players from Bath etc if we are part time?

JDH1
JDH1
28 June, 2019 18:06
I thought relegation was scrapped next season?

Can we still lend players from Bath etc if we are part time?

MESSAGES->author
almostatyke
28 June, 2019 18:18
We will still have near-Premiership training facilities so I would think that we could.
Other Championship clubs who are sort of between full and part time (e.g. Bedford) seem to get loads of good quality D/R players.

JDH1
JDH1
28 June, 2019 20:37
I am sure someone (not sure who) has been on the blower to wasps bath etc to get some guys in

Tyko
Tyko
28 June, 2019 22:44
Quote:
JDH1
I thought relegation was scrapped next season?
Can we still lend players from Bath etc if we are part time?

Borrow!!

Billy ba
Billy ba
29 June, 2019 12:13
Apart from Sam Wolstenholme not one player from last year's squad has moved to a premiership team.

JDH1
JDH1
29 June, 2019 12:37
Oliver fox.

Billy ba
Billy ba
29 June, 2019 13:01
Stand corrected

MESSAGES->author
almostatyke
29 June, 2019 14:07
Richard Beck (he was a player in last year's squad!!)

Splitting hairs.

(Sm102)

MESSAGES->author
opuscoitus
29 June, 2019 15:32
Most were under contract till it hit the fan, most prem clubs do business early doors certainly before season ends,

Billy ba
Billy ba
29 June, 2019 15:32
Should have kept it to myself

MESSAGES->author
almostatyke
29 June, 2019 16:24
Quote:
Billy ba
Should have kept it to myself

Only having a bit of fun, Pete! (Sm100)

But I do think you have made a serious point in that we only had 8 players contracted to next season, most of these being the antipodean recruits. Possibly most of the others were enjoying the season and wanting or expecting another contract for next year. But it does show that Premiership clubs did not see any of our players, other than Foxy, as standout stars for the future that they wanted to invest in. We had some good players but probably nobody noticably better than the Premiership clubs' existing academy players.


The other star for the future we did see was Jacob Umuga, on loan from Wasps, and I think he has been given a Premiership Team contract by Wasps for next year.

Billy ba
Billy ba
29 June, 2019 16:44
😃😃😃 . Just trying to make a point that perhaps we needed a change. We've had some players now for 5 or 6 seasons others not as long but we are still a championship club and not a good one at that. We may remain so for the foreseeable future but we weren't going anywhere. I hope all the players do well st their new clubs and I'm sure they will. To be blunt we were going nowhere and after all this upheaval nothings change. P.S. When do season tickets go on sale?

MESSAGES->author
almostatyke
29 June, 2019 16:50
Quote:
Billy ba
P.S. When do season tickets go on sale?


I admire your keenness! Remember that if you do buy a season ticket and the club do not see the season out, you won't even get 15% of its value back.


I will wait until we have a coach and at least a couple of players before thinking of buying any sort of ticket.

Billy ba
Billy ba
29 June, 2019 16:54
I don't expect too much for my money anyway

JDH1
JDH1
29 June, 2019 17:24
I don't mind paying the same money for my season tickets. They were too cheap imo anyway.

You pay more at donny to get in

Billy ba
Billy ba
29 June, 2019 17:29
Talks moved from playing at West Park to season tickets. We'll be criticising the beer before long

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
29 June, 2019 20:44
(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 30/06/2019 07:31 by Wildwillie .

JDH1
JDH1
29 June, 2019 20:59
I am quite excited for some better news coming in now.

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
07 July, 2019 15:18
Well another week has gone by and there has not even been the hint of a rumour of incoming players. Tick tock!

(Sm124)

MESSAGES->author
Beeston Lion
07 July, 2019 18:16
Would have thought possible candidates were lined up prior to administrative requirements being pursued. Cannot see we have got this far with nothing pencilled in for confirmation following successful conclusion of CVA.

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
07 July, 2019 19:34
Quote:
Beeston Lion
Would have thought possible candidates were lined up prior to administrative requirements being pursued. Cannot see we have got this far with nothing pencilled in for confirmation following successful conclusion of CVA.

Lining up candidates is one thing. Coaching them into a fit, cohesive unit is another matter altogether. It is also something that cannot be done overnight. Tick tock.

Tricolour
Tricolour
07 July, 2019 20:25
It will be interesting to see how Leeds fair against Nottingham in the 1st round of the cup, that is if they still exist!

MESSAGES->author
Competitive Dad
09 July, 2019 19:28
Wondering how the 2nd week of pre season has gone.

MESSAGES->author
Albert Fishwick
09 July, 2019 19:40
Might be down at Morrisons tomorrow, will try to peer over the fence.



If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

MESSAGES->author
Madtyke
09 July, 2019 19:43
They're all training at Sale Sharks..



[www.arborfieldoldboys.co.uk]

MESSAGES->author
almostatyke
09 July, 2019 19:47
The word on the street Albert is that the Carnegie section of Kirkstall has been converted into a canteen for Rhinos. So you are probably wasting your time.

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
10 July, 2019 05:50
Quote:
Madtyke
They're all training at Sale Sharks..

As time goes by this theory gains more credence. (Sm124)

Tick tock.



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Billy ba
Billy ba
10 July, 2019 07:46
Who's training ?

JDH1
JDH1
10 July, 2019 14:56
Sale

Tyko
Tyko
10 July, 2019 18:03
Good to see that the new "off field range" advertised on the offy is back to our traditional blue and yellow (amber?) but will we ever get to see the official "on field" kit? It is stated to be "coming soon". !!!!

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
14 July, 2019 09:45
Quote:
Wildwillie
Well another week has gone by and there has not even been the hint of a rumour of incoming players. Tick tock!
(Sm124)

Tick tock.

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
17 July, 2019 06:36
It is now 19 days since the statement from the board regarding the CVC. Since then - zilch.

Tick tock!

MESSAGES->author
SideStep
17 July, 2019 07:07
Quote:
Wildwillie
It is now 19 days since the statement from the board regarding the CVC. Since then - zilch.
Tick tock!

Vintage Carnegie!



The first Leeds Tykes child mascot...#leedswasps0203season. #cheersbentos

Tyko
Tyko
17 July, 2019 10:31
We know they are awaiting the RFU's decision on the "cunning plan".
There may well be ongoing negotiations with potential backers, which would not be made public. So what more could they tell us?

MESSAGES->author
leemingtyke
17 July, 2019 17:40
Quote:
Tyko
We know they are awaiting the RFU's decision on the "cunning plan".
There may well be ongoing negotiations with potential backers, which would not be made public. So what more could they tell us?

Oh, I don't know

Maybe something like:

'we're awaiting the RFU's decision on our proposed plan and, in the meantime, we're speaking to potential backers and will release details of these discussions when we are able.'

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
17 July, 2019 18:25
Quote:
leemingtyke
Quote:
Tyko
We know they are awaiting the RFU's decision on the "cunning plan".
There may well be ongoing negotiations with potential backers, which would not be made public. So what more could they tell us?

Oh, I don't know

Maybe something like:

'we're awaiting the RFU's decision on our proposed plan and, in the meantime, we're speaking to potential backers and will release details of these discussions when we are able.'

Yep. (Sm134)

MESSAGES->author
leemingtyke
18 July, 2019 10:10
Quote:
Wildwillie
Quote:
leemingtyke
Quote:
Tyko
We know they are awaiting the RFU's decision on the "cunning plan".
There may well be ongoing negotiations with potential backers, which would not be made public. So what more could they tell us?

Oh, I don't know

Maybe something like:

'we're awaiting the RFU's decision on our proposed plan and, in the meantime, we're speaking to potential backers and will release details of these discussions when we are able.'

Yep. (Sm134)

I don't for one minute think there are any potential backers by the way,

But if the club kept us informed it would stop negative people like me making those kind of assumptions.

headingleytyke2
headingleytyke2
18 July, 2019 14:29
I don't think they really care and we will disappear into oblivion

RedcarTyke
RedcarTyke
19 July, 2019 16:40
Yet Another week goes by with no news.

Tick Tock

sheffieldsmills
sheffieldsmills
21 July, 2019 19:09
What an agonising few months and we still don't know if there is going to be a club. Been keeping quiet waiting to see what happens, fear the worst, hope for the best scenario.

Unfortunately with still not knowing what is going to happen, any idea of how long the RFU take or if the board are being pro active, I have accepted the offer of a free season ticket watching (not supporting) Donny. Yep I am going to the darkside.

So for the first time in a number of years with travelling to Donny no YC season ticket this year.

If and its a very big IF the RFU decide to let us continue and YC
cobble together a squad/coaches/staff then I will, finances permitting, try to get to as many games as I can.Until then I will keep fingers crossed.

tightprop
tightprop
22 July, 2019 13:43
It's 24 days since the last Board announcement on 28 June and 60 days until our first fixture against Nottingham on 20 September.

Apparently the Board met with RFU last week. If so, no news suggests the RFU has concerns that have not yet been resolved. Nothing we can do about that. But the Board has managed to get 100% of creditors to back the survival of YC and has secured training at Kirkstall and home games at a spanking new stadium.

Albeit the funds to support recruitment will be very low, any club that is able to count on the facilities YC has access to and the support of the creditors and supporters of YC deserves to be encouraged by the RFU to make the best of things.

I hope the RFU gives us that support promptly so we can use the few weeks that remain to get players and coaches.

MESSAGES->author
almostatyke
22 July, 2019 16:19
Good post tightprop. (Sm134)

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Wildwillie
22 July, 2019 16:45
Quote:
tightprop
.......I hope the RFU gives us that support promptly so we can use the few weeks that remain to get players and coaches.

If the players are not already training together (e.g. at Sale) then 60 days is not enough time to put a cohesive squad together'

Tick tock.

MESSAGES->author
Albert Fishwick
22 July, 2019 17:59
That's never bothered us before!



If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

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Madtyke
23 July, 2019 14:54
Helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo is there anyone available from YC left to enlighten the supporters as to what the feck is going on. The echo from Headingley just rumbles onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.



[www.arborfieldoldboys.co.uk]

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
23 July, 2019 16:47
(Sm22)

MESSAGES->author
SideStep
24 July, 2019 11:02
Maybe the Leeds Lardies are gonna be needed?



The first Leeds Tykes child mascot...#leedswasps0203season. #cheersbentos

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
29 July, 2019 16:18
Martyn has now been in the post for 5 days.

Squad list still empty. (Sm124)

Feeding
Feeding
29 July, 2019 16:59
Someone (from Carnegie) was discussing possible players at The Village in Headingley last week. I couldn't hear much, the players meant nothing to me,whilst the Clubs were generally from below the Championship. Elsewhere, Darlington Mowden Park has been mentioned.

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Geoff DC
29 July, 2019 17:56
Looking at the Poll on Rolling Maul http://www.rolling-maul.com/poll-on-the-rfu-yorkshire-carnegie_topic17699.html

I would hazard a guess that not many players would be looking to run out against so much fan opposition - maybe reverting to Leeds rather than YC might help

MESSAGES->author
almostatyke
29 July, 2019 19:06
I would not even bother to view Rolling maul. They have been anti-Leeds, even more anti-Yorkshire for years and they are now trying to bayonet the wounded.
Full marks to Albert for expertly pointing out the facts when needed.

One exception I must not forget is Corporal Carrot, a real gentleman.

JDH1
JDH1
29 July, 2019 19:37
Yes the rolling maul is bollox

MESSAGES->author
almostatyke
29 July, 2019 19:55
You have a way with words JDH!

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
29 July, 2019 20:03
There seems to be a lot of bile & vitriol being consumed by the denizens of Rolling Maul at the moment. I expect they will be coming up and burning the new stadium down any time soon.

(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)

JDH1
JDH1
30 July, 2019 08:33
I just thought Geoffs post summed up the rolling maul perfectly..

leeds_shark
WPL
30 July, 2019 09:01
There is so much guess work on there and when people point out a fact it gets forgotten.

I'm not sure if they are more angry at the club or the RFU - this we get £500k from the RFU...don't we all???

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
30 July, 2019 12:21
It would be nice if we had some signings to talk about.

(Sm134)

MESSAGES->author
Geoff DC
30 July, 2019 12:32
I don't think many people are Anti Leeds (YC) but there has been an ongoing dissatisfaction with the RFU.

Personally, I have always enjoyed my Trips to Headingly, although I have missed the last 2 seasons

I did notice that there were fewer and fewer of the friends I had made and enjoyed post-match drinks in the town with and that has partly led to me making fewer trips.

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
31 July, 2019 12:54
Now a week since MW was appointed. Just saying.

Tick......tock.

Tyko
Tyko
31 July, 2019 13:15
Quote:
Geoff DC
I did notice that there were fewer and fewer of the friends I had made and enjoyed post-match drinks in the town with and that has partly led to me making fewer trips.

There'll be even fewer if you come up next season . (Sm17)

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
02 August, 2019 06:12
The season starts next month.

Tick tock.

(Sm124)

MESSAGES->author
Albert Fishwick
02 August, 2019 10:25
Lady Mac is back! Tweet



If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
02 August, 2019 11:41
Strange tweet

JDH1
JDH1
02 August, 2019 19:15
I don't get the point of that tweet.

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
04 August, 2019 16:39
Perhaps we should close this thread now that Joe Ford has signed as we have nothing further to worry about.

(Sm134)

JDH1
JDH1
04 August, 2019 19:32
Maybe bring it back nearer Christmas..

TykeGeorge
TykeGeorge
04 August, 2019 19:50
I feel the clock has stopped and new batteries are not going to sort out this mess with the medical bills.

MESSAGES->author
Wildwillie
06 August, 2019 18:50
3 days since the medical bills scandal broke. Nothing from the club.

Tick tock.

MESSAGES->author
leemingtyke
06 August, 2019 19:05
Can't believe owt they say anyway.

Bobba
Bobba
07 August, 2019 10:44
If anything is to be believed there will, supposedly, be another "honest" statement in the next day or so?

MESSAGES->author
almostatyke
07 August, 2019 19:16
Difficult to treat this article seriously when it shows a picture of Headingley at least two years old, and nothing like it looks now. Not sure if it is dragging our name in the mud (perhaps we deserve that punishment) or having a go at the rugby financial set-up in general.
Overall nothing new here IMHO.

headingleytyke2
headingleytyke2
07 August, 2019 19:48
Let's not look for excuses the management f****d up

MESSAGES->author
almostatyke
07 August, 2019 20:07
Thanks for that thoughtful comment, H2.

But I thought we had passed you to the Coventry board, where your pearls of wisdom will be better appreciated?

(Sm113)

haxbytyke
Haxbytyke
07 August, 2019 21:25
Quote:
almostatyke
Thanks for that thoughtful comment, H2.
But I thought we had passed you to the Coventry board, where your pearls of wisdom will be better appreciated?

(Sm113)

Once again, the truth hurts, why keep hiding from it?



COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.

headingleytyke2
headingleytyke2
08 August, 2019 06:57
People like almostatyke still look at things at the club with rose tinted glasses. Were in a mess.
Oh and bye the way the way I mentioned Coventry is that I live 30 minutes from the club. I have supported YC in its various guises for over 48 years.

Bobba
Bobba
08 August, 2019 07:14
Quote:
almostatyke
Difficult to treat this article seriously when it shows a picture of Headingley at least two years old, and nothing like it looks now. Not sure if it is dragging our name in the mud (perhaps we deserve that punishment) or having a go at the rugby financial set-up in general.
Overall nothing new here IMHO.

The article appears to be factual. What difference does it make if the picture of Headingley is current, 2 years old or from the last century? It is irrelevant, we were mere tenants, it is not ours, never has been, never will be! Any assets we had following the merger of Headingley and Roundhay have been absorbed into the Leeds Rugby empire!

As for "dragging our name in the mud", really? The management of this club have done a pretty good job of doing exactly that. No further assistance is required.

Finally, having a go at individual posters that express a different point of view other than your own is somewhat below the belt. This is a discussion forum where every point of view has a place, whether you agree with it or not!

Looking forward to the next statement from the board. I hope it includes confirmation that all fees have been paid, and also includes an apology to the players for bringing this situation on in the first place!

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