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Saracens salary cap investigation
Discussion started by Tiggs , 04 September, 2019 12:23
Saracens salary cap investigation
Tiggs 04 September, 2019 12:23
Has been referred to an independent panel to review and so will take a lot longer now.



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Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
tigersimon 04 September, 2019 13:55
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Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
Tiggs 04 September, 2019 14:33
Under the salary cap regulations, matters only get referred to the specialist disputes body Sport Resolutions when there is deemed to be a case to answer, including where there is a breach of over £350,000 or a club is guilty of failing to cooperate.



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Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
John Tee 04 September, 2019 19:16
good news at last.
however, i still think it will be fudged.

Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
SarrieSaint 04 September, 2019 21:28
Just for balance Tiggs that is one reason for a referral to the Independent panel but not the only one.

I think it's a good thing for all concerned that this looks like it will come to a conclusion soon.

Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
KevinR 18 September, 2019 12:43
Things are hotting up!
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Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
Rich W 18 September, 2019 13:07
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Dirty Rag
Such is Saracens’ dominance that even a 35-point penalty would be unlikely to result in them being relegated.

Well perhaps but surely there will be a need to thin the squad - or at least pay them less to bring the club in line with the cap potentially triggering departures - if a decision that results in that sort of deduction arises.

I'm not convinced anything remotely so draconian will happen but there has to be an impact on their squad make-up and depth if they are found guilty. Anything else would render the whole exercise completely pointless.

Which is also a distinct possibility I suppose.



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Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
Jon T 18 September, 2019 13:31
I'd love to see PRL follow through on this matter. Cant imagine it won't be watered down though.

Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
John Tee 18 September, 2019 14:00
chairman dont seem happy...

Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
Yorkie 18 September, 2019 20:09
But will CVC allow anything to happen to the shining star atop of their new play thing?

I predict that co-investments between club owners/wealthy supporters and players will be allowed going forward and will be the way every club does it in the future. Tigers ownership model will have to change asap if we are to keep up.



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Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
Statesman 18 September, 2019 22:11
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Yorkie
But will CVC allow anything to happen to the shining star atop of their new play thing?
I predict that co-investments between club owners/wealthy supporters and players will be allowed going forward and will be the way every club does it in the future. Tigers ownership model will have to change asap if we are to keep up.

If you’re right we may as well consign the charade which is the Salary Cap to the dustbin.

My prediction is that Sarries are exonerated from any wrongdoing but all the schemes that they are using to get round the Cap are explicitly excluded moving forward. Additionally Sarries agree to quietly dissolve all the schemes they currently have in play over the next (say) 2 years and bring all compensation ‘on balance sheet’. The corollary to this is we would likely to see some quite high profile departures from Sarries over the next 2 years.

I would also like to see full transparency around all clubs Salary Cap submissions - probably won’t happen but I think it would be very healthy.

Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
John Tee 18 September, 2019 22:30
Quote:
Statesman
Quote:
Yorkie
But will CVC allow anything to happen to the shining star atop of their new play thing?
I predict that co-investments between club owners/wealthy supporters and players will be allowed going forward and will be the way every club does it in the future. Tigers ownership model will have to change asap if we are to keep up.

If you’re right we may as well consign the charade which is the Salary Cap to the dustbin.

My prediction is that Sarries are exonerated from any wrongdoing but all the schemes that they are using to get round the Cap are explicitly excluded moving forward. Additionally Sarries agree to quietly dissolve all the schemes they currently have in play over the next (say) 2 years and bring all compensation ‘on balance sheet’. The corollary to this is we would likely to see some quite high profile departures from Sarries over the next 2 years.

I would also like to see full transparency around all clubs Salary Cap submissions - probably won’t happen but I think it would be very healthy.

This may be a likely approach but doesnt address the issue, which would be that an unlevel playing field distorts who has a fair chance of winning the league which is the whole point of contesting it.

That would be a massive kick in the teeth for the clubs. it would be like a athlete caught doping and given two years before getting their punishment..

Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
Duckonstilts 19 September, 2019 13:29
And keeping all their medals.

Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
SarrieSaint 19 September, 2019 14:46
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John Tee
it would be like a athlete caught doping and given two years before getting their punishment..

Except it wouldn't because being exonerated means not guilty. Keep banging the drum that Sarries are guilty regardless of the information we have now and possibly the result in the future though. Who knows you may turn out to be right. If you aren't I'm sure you'll accept it in good grace.

Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
John Tee 19 September, 2019 15:20
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SarrieSaint
Quote:
John Tee
it would be like a athlete caught doping and given two years before getting their punishment..

Except it wouldn't because being exonerated means not guilty. Keep banging the drum that Sarries are guilty regardless of the information we have now and possibly the result in the future though. Who knows you may turn out to be right. If you aren't I'm sure you'll accept it in good grace.

I would...although i would call it at least pretty sharp practice...and that also might be what other clubs think too.
But sharp practice in itself, although somewhat despisable, wouldn't get you banned etc .

im pretty sure that is how this will pan out because anything else is just too unpalatable to all parties.

Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
000mjg 19 September, 2019 19:14
I predict that co-investments between club owners/wealthy supporters and players will be allowed going forward and will be the way every club does it in the future.

... I hope not. Sone clubs dont have enough money to even spend to the cap. Does anyone know if a player is sponsored by a company (say Nike for eg) outside the club whether that is counted in their salary?

Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
John Tee 19 September, 2019 19:41
Quote:
000mjg
I predict that co-investments between club owners/wealthy supporters and players will be allowed going forward and will be the way every club does it in the future.
... I hope not. Sone clubs dont have enough money to even spend to the cap. Does anyone know if a player is sponsored by a company (say Nike for eg) outside the club whether that is counted in their salary?

No, i dont know, but id argue it should be.
If you are going to have a cap.... it needs to work.
you cant have supplementary payments not count if you got them for being a player in a league that has a cap...

Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
Brownian Motion 19 September, 2019 21:21
Endorsements will never be part of the cap, unless clubs / the RFU pay players for their image rights.

Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
SimonG19 20 September, 2019 13:23
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SarrieSaint
Quote:
John Tee
it would be like a athlete caught doping and given two years before getting their punishment..

Except it wouldn't because being exonerated means not guilty. Keep banging the drum that Sarries are guilty regardless of the information we have now and possibly the result in the future though. Who knows you may turn out to be right. If you aren't I'm sure you'll accept it in good grace.

And paying the settlement fee last time to end the inquiry and prevent the report being published means guilty to anyone with any intelligence.

So this inquiry is in many ways irrelevant as the guilt has already been established and the trophies "won" since then are meaningless.

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Re: Saracens salary cap investigation
daktari 20 September, 2019 13:50
The cap , is dead , it has been for some time, this latest iteration of Sarries cap busting antics and the inevitable minor reprimand , will be the dead cap bounce.


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