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More Rule Changes on their way
Discussion started by Lt Pigeon , 14 January, 2020 11:06
More Rule Changes on their way
Lt Pigeon 14 January, 2020 11:06
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Proposals include ...
Tackle technique warnings, leading to automatic match suspension
Definition of High Tackle
Set Infringement limits per game
Attacking line out following an indirect kick from within own half

Re: More Rule Changes on their way
Tom Paine 14 January, 2020 11:19
More or less banning the upright tackle. Tackler will have to bend at the waist. The aim is to avoid head clashes in the tackle, I think. Been a few of those recently, with nasty injuries or concussions resulting.

Re: More Rule Changes on their way
John Tee 14 January, 2020 11:26
You'll have to ban the offload...because that is why players need to tackle high, imo.

Re: More Rule Changes on their way
Fat Boy 14 January, 2020 11:30
Need to think on it a bit more probably, but on the face of it (and quite unusually) this sounds like a reasonable set of changes.

Additional sanctions to discourage high tackles fine by me.

Adding in a set limit to penalties before an automatic yellow card will reduce the arbitrary nature - although it must still be possible for refs to apply with fewer infringements where appropriate (surely 4 penalties in the red zone in the first 10 minutes or dying moments of a tight game, is every bit as bad as say 10 mundane penalties over the course of the game).

I'm undecided on the attacking lineout thing, but don't object in principle to seeing what impact it has. If it forces the defending team to keep cover back and encourages running the ball and making line breaks, then great - but if it ends up with teams playing ping pong in the hope of a funny bounce sending the ball into touch, maybe not so good.

Re: More Rule Changes on their way
Rich W 14 January, 2020 11:36
I give them two months before English officials decide they can't be bothered and drop them.



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Re: More Rule Changes on their way
Stopsy 14 January, 2020 11:54
It will encourage more kicking to touch rather than running.

Re: More Rule Changes on their way
Brownian Motion 14 January, 2020 12:42
Until teams routinely drop two players to cover the 10-22 area, leaving a defensive line with 13 instead of 15 players. Then they'll run it.

Re: More Rule Changes on their way
Stopsy 14 January, 2020 12:53
Today with a poor kick or chase the opposition get a chance to run it back, tomorrow every kick will be to touch

Re: More Rule Changes on their way
Brownian Motion 14 January, 2020 13:18
That doesn't negate the possibility of a poor kick or chase, though?

Re: More Rule Changes on their way
Stopsy 14 January, 2020 13:30
Agreed but if you are going to get the throw in, why would you miss any more than today? Therefore I don't think teams will drop any more players back as a kick on field is less likely.

Re: More Rule Changes on their way
tjs10 15 January, 2020 04:31
The 50:22 kick was trialled in the 2019 NRC competition in Australia. While it did lead to a few more attempts to kick to touch, there weren't an excessive amount of attempts, and not all were successful. What it did do was encourage teams to leave a player or two further back to defend the touchlines against possible attempts, thus opening up more space on the field for running rugby.

The law variation rewards some (successful) attacking kicks for territory, but also creates the potential for more open, running rugby than the aerial ping pong kicks that seem to have become more prevalent.

Re: More Rule Changes on their way
arh53 16 January, 2020 09:31
Maybe they should try to stick to applying the current laws before adding more. Especially the one about staying on your feet at the breakdown, ie instead of turning yourself into a human Exocet and diving in 2 feet off the ground with no possible chance of doing so.

Re: More Rule Changes on their way
Rich W 16 January, 2020 10:37
Quite.

We've had 30 years of this incessant tinkering with the laws adding layers and layers of complexity and confusion, making the game ever harder to referee and play, and creating a cheats charter and a breeding ground for inconsistency and inequity.

Almost none of this tinkering has improved the game - certainly not for long - as the next jolly wheeze from upon high has superceded the last and everyone scratches their head and the game becomes even harder to follow.



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Re: More Rule Changes on their way
Duncan Keene 16 January, 2020 11:48
Not just about the players either, the spectators and in particular casual spectators don’t like needing to learn new laws.

Re: More Rule Changes on their way
Rich W 16 January, 2020 12:29
Absolutely - less than 20 years ago I had a more than solid grasp of the laws and their application - now I can't say that at all. It's confusing, boring and off-putting.



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Re: More Rule Changes on their way
Stopsy 16 January, 2020 12:40
You’d never guess the laws by observation!

Re: More Rule Changes on their way
odd-shaped vagaries 18 January, 2020 10:29
So much more dependent upon refereeing interpretation and further cause for full time, higher quality, professional referees, methinks



The referee is the final arbitrary
.. dementiaaahll!

Re: More Rule Changes on their way
Rich W 18 January, 2020 10:43
(Sm22)



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Re: More Rule Changes on their way
odd-shaped vagaries 18 January, 2020 10:57
Quote:
Rich W
(Sm22)

quite, but hey, there is still a road to Damascus, pitted with craters though it may be



The referee is the final arbitrary
.. dementiaaahll!


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