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Never waste a good crisis
Discussion started by Stopsy , 28 July, 2020 07:27
Never waste a good crisis
Stopsy 28 July, 2020 07:27
Close the Premiership Academies and reduce to 6 "World Class" Regional development hubs.

Effectively break the back of the Prem clubs, England get to develop who they want playing where they want. Then each season we get a draft pick of 4 players, lets say there are 10 players from the X Region Development Centre who all loved Bimbleton RUFC as kids and who's ambition is to wear the Bimbleton shirt and play for "their " club, a max of 4 would get the opportunity.

Warning, the value of the phrase World Class can go down as well as up in the current climate.

Telegraph

"Details emerged last week of the proposal to restructure the Championship, with a recommendation that the 12-team division be split into into a northern and southern conference, with promotion to the Premiership based on agreed criteria between the leagues rather than a first-past-the-post format." So not necessarily based on sporting merit! If the club that finishes top doesn't want promotion then fine but should alwayts get first refusal.

From that bastion of all that is good with the game, Edward Griffiths



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 28/07/2020 07:39 by Stopsy.

Re: Never waste a good crisis
IanC 28 July, 2020 08:01
It will be interesting to see whether the clubs are in such a bad financial position that they actually go for this. Might depend on how much money is involved.
If they do then it will be the end of the club game. Regions quickly to follow.

Re: Never waste a good crisis
Tiggs 28 July, 2020 08:34
This might work if in addition to the Prem clubs academies and for the benefit of championship clubs who get the choice of players for a least one or two years.



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Re: Never waste a good crisis
SK 88 28 July, 2020 10:22
As you say stopsy the RFU are keen to take advantage of the crisis to foster their long held plans on us. This "solution" has been doing the rounds on and off since 1995 if not earlier.

The only thing the RFU are after is breaking the clubs link to local communities. This plan means Courtney Lawes who grew up in St.James doesn't play for Saints. Means Dan Cole doesn't play for Leicester. Means a guy like Taylor Gough would never have got the chance to play at Welford Road.

It's a heartless plan designed to kill off independent thought and hand over total control to the blazers.

Re: Never waste a good crisis
Rich W 28 July, 2020 10:28
A shameless, cynical land-grab. But a surprise?

Still their directors shared a near half-million increase in teh value of their emoluments last year so they're at least getting that bit right...



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Re: Never waste a good crisis
johnthegrif 28 July, 2020 12:03
The Regional Talent system in ladies soccer is not very good, they band young people together in groups covering a two year age range under 12, under 14, under 16, under 18, when it is time to move up an age group obviously about half of the group above remain in that group, if they happen to be in your position at trials you need to be better than someone who may be eighteen months older and who has been playing at the higher level for a season. There are not many with a summer birthday that make the step up.

Re: Never waste a good crisis
PrestonTiger 28 July, 2020 12:10
What will those who have 'invested' in a club (eg Tom and Steele) get from this ? Will their investment be worth more ? And who do they sell it to, to realise the value and release the £££ back to them ?

Re: Never waste a good crisis
noq 28 July, 2020 14:08
I laughed at this bit:

"The 76-page proposal, which has been seen by Telegraph Sport, forecasts that Premiership clubs would save between £600,000 to £900,000 by closing their academies with the Championship clubs meeting the costs of providing the coaching, strength and conditioning and medical staff at the six hubs."

then:

"The estimated cost of running the new Championship model, including funding player salaries and the new academies, is £15.6 million in the first year, which would require significant investment from both the RFU and Premiership Rugby on top of broadcasting and sponsorship revenues. Griffiths expects the requirement for external funding to reduce year-on-year. "

So are the championship clubs paying for it or the Premiership ones?

And the obligatory:
"Player welfare is also central to the vision, which has the working title TEC – The English Championship, with a comprehensive programme outlined with “game-leading” regulations including concussion protocols, use of painkillers, rest periods and workload monitoring."

Re: Never waste a good crisis
Stopsy 28 July, 2020 14:32
There is also something along the lines of … “At some point the game is going to have to get serious about protecting players,” Griffiths added. “This will go further on player welfare than any other league in the world at the moment”

Meanwhile the sponsors of the work shoe horn in more international games.

Re: Never waste a good crisis
Rich W 28 July, 2020 14:44
Quote:
noq
I laughed at this bit:
"The 76-page proposal, which has been seen by Telegraph Sport, forecasts that Premiership clubs would save between £600,000 to £900,000 by closing their academies with the Championship clubs meeting the costs of providing the coaching, strength and conditioning and medical staff at the six hubs."

then:

"The estimated cost of running the new Championship model, including funding player salaries and the new academies, is £15.6 million in the first year, which would require significant investment from both the RFU and Premiership Rugby on top of broadcasting and sponsorship revenues. Griffiths expects the requirement for external funding to reduce year-on-year. "

So are the championship clubs paying for it or the Premiership ones?

And the obligatory:
"Player welfare is also central to the vision, which has the working title TEC – The English Championship, with a comprehensive programme outlined with “game-leading” regulations including concussion protocols, use of painkillers, rest periods and workload monitoring."

I assume these sums were done on the back of the usual fag packet.



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Re: Never waste a good crisis
Brownian Motion 28 July, 2020 15:20
I think you mean cigar box.

Re: Never waste a good crisis
Rich W 28 July, 2020 15:41
A very fair point!



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Re: Never waste a good crisis
IDLETIMES 28 July, 2020 17:34
As soon as they mention player welfare you know they are up to no good.

Re: Never waste a good crisis
Yorkie 28 July, 2020 21:55
What extra costs does a club actually have to run an Academy? The players wages plus those of the Academy coach (or coaches - 2 max?) and maybe a part time extra medic? A scout?

All the physical facilities are needed anyway by the Prem squad so are "free" cost to the Academy.



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Re: Never waste a good crisis
Stopsy 28 July, 2020 22:16
There’s another clue Idle, their lips move!

I wonder where the Northern Region Development Centre will be, wherever it is sited it will alienate players from one or both of Sale or Newcastle areas.

Southe East is a massive catchment area shared between Quins & Saracens (And London Irish?) and now going to one dev centre. How many in the Midlands? West Country?

Pure land grab as Rich says

Re: Never waste a good crisis
SK 88 29 July, 2020 10:25
Quote:
Yorkie
What extra costs does a club actually have to run an Academy? The players wages plus those of the Academy coach (or coaches - 2 max?) and maybe a part time extra medic? A scout?
All the physical facilities are needed anyway by the Prem squad so are "free" cost to the Academy.

The academy is quite a big beast, the DPP centres stretch from basically Sheffield, down to Hinckley and across to Norwich. I would assume we have to pay to rent those facilities, plus pay all the coaches at all those centres. We have to run either trials or scouts (or preferably both to avoid one off performances and bias from "better" schools and clubs putting more people forward) too to select the players. The safeguarding element will not be trivial, and whilst unlikely a full time job certainly a key task for someone.

The final u-18s and development squad are probably not a huge cost, as you say based at Oval Park, use facilities needed for others, but they are the literal tip of an iceberg.

Re: Never waste a good crisis
Brownian Motion 29 July, 2020 10:55
Doesn't Tigers at least also pay boarding and tuition fees at private schools for some players?

Re: Never waste a good crisis
Tiggs 29 July, 2020 12:18
There were 750 DPP players last season across the 5 centres.



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Re: Never waste a good crisis
John Tee 29 July, 2020 16:50
I hope for the day when clubs are strong enough financially to say thanks for your ideas, RFU but we will let you know when our players are available for you.

Re: Never waste a good crisis
Stopsy 29 July, 2020 16:56
Do you think "World class" development centre will have 750 places available for the "region" or will clubs be expected to develop players until the RFU can cream off the top?

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