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Quote:Sarriebone
Tweet from David Flatman:
I’m not one for rumours to be honest, so I don’t ask people on the QT. Today, though, I got two messages from mates, one telling me a senior Sarries player had signed for Bath - “Done deal”. Then another saying the same player had extended at Sarries. “Done deal”. Back to my tea.
Quote:Curmujjen
You need to get out a bit more.
Quote:He may not have used that exact phrase but he has stated that he is having conversations with players and will consult with McCall on what changes to makeLutonS
I may have missed it but where did EG say the current squad exceeds the cap?
Quote:Marlow NickQuote:He may not have used that exact phrase but he has stated that he is having conversations with players and will consult with McCall on what changes to makeLutonS
I may have missed it but where did EG say the current squad exceeds the cap?
Quote:Roger G
It's worth listening to the interview with EG on WIll Greenwoods Skysports podcast. He seems to me to be very careful with his words, and effectively to caveat everything with "if necessary" or some such words. I think ED is still looking at the figures to find out if anything has to be done, but suggests that some changes will be made whether they are necesary or not.
Quote:Sarriebone
Are you seriously saying he would still be an ambassador for Wasps and have a hospitality suite at the Ricoh even if he hadn't played for the club?
Quote:Roger GQuote:Marlow NickQuote:LutonS
I may have missed it but where did EG say the current squad exceeds the cap?
He may not have used that exact phrase but he has stated that he is having conversations with players and will consult with McCall on what changes to make
It's worth listening to the interview with EG on WIll Greenwoods Skysports podcast. He seems to me to be very careful with his words, and effectively to caveat everything with "if necessary" or some such words.
Quote:ElephantJuiceQuote:Roger GQuote:Marlow NickQuote:LutonS
I may have missed it but where did EG say the current squad exceeds the cap?
He may not have used that exact phrase but he has stated that he is having conversations with players and will consult with McCall on what changes to make
It's worth listening to the interview with EG on WIll Greenwoods Skysports podcast. He seems to me to be very careful with his words, and effectively to caveat everything with "if necessary" or some such words.
Grasping at straws....
Quote:LutonSQuote:Roger G
It's worth listening to the interview with EG on WIll Greenwoods Skysports podcast. He seems to me to be very careful with his words, and effectively to caveat everything with "if necessary" or some such words. I think ED is still looking at the figures to find out if anything has to be done, but suggests that some changes will be made whether they are necesary or not.
Just had a listen to it, the only definite from it is that the fine was calculated on the overspend (presumably) across the three seasons in question, 16/17, 17/18 & 18/19. So at least it's plain how far over the cap we were.
He also (rightly), says that the cap is only a factor on June 30th as that's the only date clubs have to be under the cap. So points about Saracens picking up points whilst still over the cap are complete nonsense.
Quote:carlyleuk
Lord Dysons interview is very interesting; challenge to competition law and the 'tricky question' on the co-investments being salary (a strong mention on the ' very very broad definition of salary' by the PRL.)
If Lord Dyson found it tricky, I suppose others of less knowledge could make a mistake.
As Lord Dyson points out, let their be transparency. A more detailed summary of the judgement would be beneficial.
Quote:Marlow Nick
May I suggest that you also listen to the podcast with Lotd Dyson who led the review. He states that there were two very significant breaches of the cap by Saracens.
Quote:Wayoutwest
How does the poster know that if the investments were not paid the players would have left? There is no evidence that would have happened.
Quote:Brown BottleQuote:Wayoutwest
How does the poster know that if the investments were not paid the players would have left? There is no evidence that would have happened.
So, the salary cap cheating was a waste of time, then?
Quote:Wayoutwest
We have been found guilty and paid the full price allowable under the agreed regulations ones that your club even signed up to.
Quote:StatesmanQuote:Wayoutwest
We have been found guilty and paid the full price allowable under the agreed regulations ones that your club even signed up to.
You might want to read the SCR’s. In particular 14.3 (d) and (e).
Quote:ramseysaintQuote:StatesmanQuote:Wayoutwest
We have been found guilty and paid the full price allowable under the agreed regulations ones that your club even signed up to.
You might want to read the SCR’s. In particular 14.3 (d) and (e).
14.3(e) is interesting as it states
“impose any financial penalty” (emphasis added) and reduce the Senior Ceiling for that Club for the subsequent year.
So the £5+ million was the financial penalty, what is the club's Ceiling now? Has is been reduced?
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Hi all, some of you may have come across this already but a blog I follow has been doing a series of interesting articles on the whole salary cap case. The latest one on how Sarries are going to have to make cuts this season might be of interest!
[url=http://rugbyandthelaw.com/2020/01/13/saracens-and-the-salary-cap-part-iv-premiership-rugby-wage-reduction-player-release-compliance-regulations/][/url]
Quote:b_sting
Hi all, some of you may have come across this already but a blog I follow has been doing a series of interesting articles on the whole salary cap case. The latest one on how Sarries are going to have to make cuts this season might be of interest!
[url=http://rugbyandthelaw.com/2020/01/13/saracens-and-the-salary-cap-part-iv-premiership-rugby-wage-reduction-player-release-compliance-regulations/][/url]
Quote:SarrieboneQuote:b_sting
Hi all, some of you may have come across this already but a blog I follow has been doing a series of interesting articles on the whole salary cap case. The latest one on how Sarries are going to have to make cuts this season might be of interest!
[url=http://rugbyandthelaw.com/2020/01/13/saracens-and-the-salary-cap-part-iv-premiership-rugby-wage-reduction-player-release-compliance-regulations/][/url]
Edward Griffiths, explained that cuts will need to be made in order to comply with the Regulations this season
As has been stated numerous times above, he hasn't said that at all, he has said it might need to happen.
Now I'm not saying they don't need to happen, other than the club and PRL nobody knows if we need to or not so it's just another speculative blog post. The only difference from any other blogpost/article we've seen so far being some legal jargon thrown in.
Quote:ukms
With respect you have no more idea what he said than the OP or the blogger .... As with many when it suits your discussion you are happy to believe what is quoted by the press ..... when it doesn’t suit you disagree ..... can’t have it both ways
Quote:SarrieboneQuote:ukms
With respect you have no more idea what he said than the OP or the blogger .... As with many when it suits your discussion you are happy to believe what is quoted by the press ..... when it doesn’t suit you disagree ..... can’t have it both ways
Given he's provided a source, which is great, we know that the RugbyPass article used for his claim that "cuts will have to be made" clearly states in the first paragraph that EG has said it "may" need to happen. From that the blogger and numerous other articles/forum posts have taken that as an admission that the squad is over the cap. If the blogger wants to use that as a point in his blog, that EG has said cuts will need to be made, then he should use a source that actually quotes him as having said that. Personally I've yet to see or hear anything that quotes him as having said it.
I'm not disagreeing with the blog post in the slightest. Almost everything he's put in his blog is pretty much spot on, and stuff we already knew.
Quote:TonyTaff
The discipline, of referring only to actual quotes, would be welcome on this thread, as well as all others.
Quote:Sarriebone
Nigel Wray has stepped down as a director of Saracens
Quote:Sarriebone
This doesn't sound good at all
Saracens stand on brink of automatic relegation as nightmare season set to get worse