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ST article - best non capped player
Discussion started by cwrich , 14 June, 2020 08:41
ST article - best non capped player
cwrich 14 June, 2020 08:41
ST article with The cockwomble and SJ choosing their best non capped players of all time got me thinking about Sarries

My choice would be Glen Jackson

Yourís ?

Re: ST article - best non capped player
myleftboot 14 June, 2020 08:55
Without Google... Does sevens count? If not, Kris Chesney, and at his best Del Haughton had a shout. Justin Marshall wasn't capped during his time with us..... On the whole I probably agree with you, but for the sake of argument like....!

Re: ST article - best non capped player
cwrich 14 June, 2020 09:32
Ches good shout and would be up there as my favorite non capped player haha

Re: ST article - best non capped player
NickL 14 June, 2020 10:24
Haven't read the article because it's behind the Murdoch paywall, but I think you have to draw a line between the modern professional game with substitutions and squads of 23 and the amateur era of injury replacements only from a bench of two or three. It was much harder to get a cap back then. For example Warren Gatland was NZ's second hooker behind Sean Fitzpatrick for a while and these days would have had 20 minutes off the bench in most games, but didn't get a test cap. And going back further there weren't so many international fixtures, with Five Nations instead of Six, no Rugby Championship and no World Cups.

I'd agree that Glen Jackson is the best Saracens player of the professional era not to have won an international cap. NZ were so well stocked with quality 10s at the time. Of the current squad it surprises me that Jackson Wray wasn't at least called up for a training session when Eddie was still undecided about his best back row. But I think most of our best players get capped now even if they don't always get as many as we think they deserve.

Re: ST article - best non capped player
Gryff 14 June, 2020 11:09
Kevin Sorrell I always thought was unlucky and Jackson Wray currently

Re: ST article - best non capped player
jonnybrowne 15 June, 2020 19:18
I think Mike Rhodes can be added to the list.

Re: ST article - best non capped player
The Bard 15 June, 2020 20:34
Thatís a good shout. Vastly better than Brad Shields who got parachuted in ahead of him. Not sure Jackson or SuperKev have the x-factor to get that accolade, but outstanding club players nevertheless.
Glenda almost certainly would have got in the England team.

Re: ST article - best non capped player
MyCupRunnethOver 16 June, 2020 10:45
Ernst Joubert, seriously underated no8

Re: ST article - best non capped player
jonnybrowne 16 June, 2020 13:30
Quote:
The Bard
Thatís a good shout. Vastly better than Brad Shields who got parachuted in ahead of him. Not sure Jackson or SuperKev have the x-factor to get that accolade, but outstanding club players nevertheless.
Glenda almost certainly would have got in the England team.

Agreed re: Brad Shields. The other one I donít get is Willi Heinz....

Re: ST article - best non capped player
cwrich 16 June, 2020 13:48
Quote:
MyCupRunnethOver
Ernst Joubert, seriously underated no8

On reflection he would be up there for me ... at his pomp playing as a utility wing from 8 he was magnificent week in week out.

Re: ST article - best non capped player
Barty II 16 June, 2020 14:30
How about a Saracens uncapped 23 to pass the time?
Trying to discount the likes of Malins who SHOULD get a cap at some point in his career...

1. Richard Barrington
2. Greg Botterman
3. Petrus du Plessis
4. Kris Chesney
5. Stuart Hooper
6. Jackson Wray
7. Will Fraser
8. Ernst Joubert
9. Floyd Steadman
10. Glen Jackson
11. Brendon Daniel
12. Adam Powell
13. Kevin Sorrell
14. James Short
15. Richard Haughton
16. Scott Spurling
17. Nick Lloyd
18. Tom Mercey
19. Mike Rhodes
20. Andy Saull
21.Alan Dickens
22. Rodd Penney
23. Noah Cato



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 18/06/2020 09:38 by Barty II.

Re: ST article - best non capped player
Gryff 16 June, 2020 14:47
2 Greg Botterman

Re: ST article - best non capped player
Gryff 16 June, 2020 14:53
Kris Chesney at 4

Re: ST article - best non capped player
Barty II 16 June, 2020 15:18
Definitely got to put Chesney in, only reason I didn't was because I assumed he got at least one cap! Silly me...

Re: ST article - best non capped player
Eric Browett 16 June, 2020 16:54
Rob Thirlby or Brendon Daniel at 11.

I'd have Scott Spurling at 2 - he would have been a really good player but for injury.

Switch Fraser and Wray.

Kevin Barritt at 9

Re: ST article - best non capped player
myleftboot 16 June, 2020 16:57
Tevita Vaikona was never capped in union, is that cheating for 11?

Re: ST article - best non capped player
jonnybrowne 16 June, 2020 17:26
Quote:
myleftboot
Tevita Vaikona was never capped in union, is that cheating for 11?
No I donít think so!

Re: ST article - best non capped player
Graeme D 16 June, 2020 18:15
Floyd Steadman at 9. Pre professional era though.



Graeme

Re: ST article - best non capped player
The Bard 16 June, 2020 19:19
I had no idea Ernie was uncapped. For me then he would be top of the list, a genuinely international class player

Re: ST article - best non capped player
myleftboot 16 June, 2020 20:47
But about ten stone too light to play 8 for the Boks unfortunately!

Re: ST article - best non capped player
cwrich 16 June, 2020 21:19
I'd put hooper at 5 and switch rhodes to back row ... sorry Will

Re: ST article - best non capped player
cwrich 16 June, 2020 21:43
Auterac on the bench maybe and Seymour

Re: ST article - best non capped player
Barty II 17 June, 2020 08:24
Taken a few of those suggestions! Thought of Nick Lloyd following the Auterac suggestion as a bench prop. Tighthead even more tricky, did think Ben Broster but he got a handful of Wales caps in the end, so the only other I could think of was Tom Mercey...

Re: ST article - best non capped player
whyisitnevereasy 17 June, 2020 09:19
Quote:
Barty II
Taken a few of those suggestions! Thought of Nick Lloyd following the Auterac suggestion as a bench prop. Tighthead even more tricky, did think Ben Broster but he got a handful of Wales caps in the end, so the only other I could think of was Tom Mercey...

Not with us for long Barty but Christian Judge could be another tighthead option to come off the bench??

Re: ST article - best non capped player
Barty II 17 June, 2020 09:37
If there was a list of players ranked by popularity/duration-of-stay, Judge would almost certainly be #1

Re: ST article - best non capped player
AP 17 June, 2020 13:54
Quote:
Barty II
If there was a list of players ranked by popularity/duration-of-stay, Judge would almost certainly be #1

Peter Stringer might run him close!

Re: ST article - best non capped player
GazzaFez 17 June, 2020 17:10
Quote:
Graeme D
Floyd Steadman at 9. Pre professional era though.

A handy scout too. He had a hand in delivering us Maro Itoje and Nick Auterac from a very early age.

Re: ST article - best non capped player
myleftboot 17 June, 2020 17:52
Barty, didn't Nick Lloyd play for England?

Re: ST article - best non capped player
Barty II 17 June, 2020 18:10
Quote:
myleftboot
Barty, didn't Nick Lloyd play for England?
yeah i've stretched the "rules" a bit... played against the BaaBaas - not technically a cap...

Re: ST article - best non capped player
myleftboot 17 June, 2020 20:05
Fairy nuff, I dimly recalled him being called up for England, not much else!

Re: ST article - best non capped player
cwrich 17 June, 2020 22:20
Ryan Constable might have a shout over Noah as well ... better all round wing I would say

Re: ST article - best non capped player
Eric Browett 18 June, 2020 08:51
Constable was a good centre too but played one Test for Australia v Ireland.

I was at Bedford when he scored 6 trys, all of which you or I could probably have walked in (if we'd managed to catch the pass!). After that we always referred to an easy finish as a 'Constable'

Re: ST article - best non capped player
AlanE 18 June, 2020 11:38
Quote:
Graeme D
Floyd Steadman at 9. Pre professional era though.

I was also thinking of Brian Davies, also pre-pro (just), but will bow to Graeme's broader knowledge.

Post - pro we are struggling to find non-capped players at 9; we have been blessed with so many internationals. Courtesy of Barty's scrum-half quiz the best are probably Tom Whiteley or Matt Powell



I was 17 miles from Graybridge before I was caught by the school leopard

Re: ST article - best non capped player
AnneGran 18 June, 2020 20:45
Glen Jackson

Re: ST article - best non capped player
The Bard 18 June, 2020 20:53
I always rated Matt Powell, he looked a much better player than Nick Walshe

Re: ST article - best non capped player
cwrich 18 June, 2020 21:10
Id also want paul gustard on the bench ... so may class flankers

Re: ST article - best non capped player
myleftboot 18 June, 2020 21:17
Hard to get past Gustards recent behaviour for me!

Re: ST article - best non capped player
cwrich 18 June, 2020 21:24
Quote:
myleftboot
Hard to get past Gustards recent behaviour for me!

Maybe ... he remains in the plus column for me though

Oh and I would put Duncan Macrae on the bench to bring on if the oppo had OíGara ... just got the craic


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