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Quote:Bath Hammer
I think the point is that the figure quoted was misleading as it was a gross figure rather than net which is the case. The fact is that the the campaign group concerned was not the Government nor even a political party so had no power to promise anything which anyone with a modicum of common sense should have realised. However it was wrong & an own goal. I am sure though that just have many would have voted to remain because they thought they would be immediately unemployed or thousands of pounds poorer straight after the referendum, equally misleading in my view. However, my point hasn’t been addressed. How can remaining in the CU & SM be an effective exit & satisfy those who wished to leave? It is more honest in my view to say we should revoke Article 50 than pretend that is the case.
Quote:Bath Hammer
Who is JFC - Jeremy Corbyn?
Quote:joethefanaticQuote:Bath Hammer
It is also ridiculous to place all the blame on the Conservatives for failing to get a deal through when a majority of Parliament are ignoring the referendum result including the so called liberal DEMOCRATS.
.........The duty of Her Majesty's Opposition is to oppose, ...............
Quote:Malco was in complete denial about this. When confronted with this image [www.google.com] He claimed it was fake!John Tee
Well JFC said 350mill was promised to the NHS so i thought it was a reasonable question, that is all.
Quote:Which MPs are trying to stop Brexit completely?John Tee
Which was kind of my point when i said the cat is truly out of the bag because mp's aren't posturing over a deal...they are trying to stop Brexit completely.
Quote:jayeatmanQuote:Malco was in complete denial about this. When confronted with this image [www.google.com] He claimed it was fake!John Tee
Well JFC said 350mill was promised to the NHS so i thought it was a reasonable question, that is all.
You can debate the veracity of the £350m (Gross contribution).
What you can't debate is that if you leave the EU you will have saved £350m, all of which you can spend on the NHS. Clearly and demonstrably a lie at the time. And even Malco knew it. Hence his denial of reality.
Quote:jayeatmanQuote:Which MPs are trying to stop Brexit completely?John Tee
Which was kind of my point when i said the cat is truly out of the bag because mp's aren't posturing over a deal...they are trying to stop Brexit completely.
The ERG hard core who voted against Theresa May's deal 3 times?
The DUP who don't fancy the view from under the wheels of a Boris bus?
The Tory rebels slung out of the party to trying to avoid no deal, but will still vote for any deal, no matter how bad because they 'respect the referendum result'?
The SNP whose country voted to remain, but are being dragged out anyway?
The Libdems who have been consistently and clearly pro-remain, giving some sort of voice to the 48%.
Labour, an 80% remain party, with a few hard core leavers, led by a leaver who does a very bad job pretending to be remainerish?
MPs are a very easy target at the moment, but to paint them all with the same brush is stupid. To those who label them enemies of the people, be careful what you wish for! You elected them in 2017. Nobody elected Johnson and his right wing cabal (well maybe 100,000 party members).
BTW, did you know the 'journalist' James Slack who wrote the original Daily Mail 'Enemies of the People' headline is now Boris Johnson's official spokesman at No10. His predecessor at the DM James Chapman also became a government advisor. Sometimes, I wonder who controls who.
Quote:DanWiley
Malco tried the line that:
"We send the EU £350m a week: let's fund our NHS instead"
Doesn't mean that the £350m will go to the NHS. Ermm... well. If you can read that in that way with any level of integrity perhaps a career in politics really is for you.
Quote:DanWiley
Malco tried the line that:
"We send the EU £350m a week: let's fund our NHS instead"
Doesn't mean that the £350m will go to the NHS. Ermm... well. If you can read that in that way with any level of integrity perhaps a career in politics really is for you.
Quote:DanWiley
What you refer to as project fear, for the most part, is happening. As we haven't left yet you can't say it won't and there's plenty to suggest it will.
On the other hand, the big red bus had an immediately identifiable lie written on it. If you were to ask someone to identify, say, 10 artefacts of the referendum, the big red bus would be on a very high proportion of people's lists. It was a big thing. I can't think of an element of project fear that would be so consistently memorable.
Quote:Bath Hammer
So, assuming for one minute that you are in favour of leaving the EU. If you stay in those institutions what are the benefits of leaving? Surely it’s much the same as staying in or am I missing something?
Quote:OutsideBath
I suspect most voted leave because of what left wingers don't want anyone to talk about and not the big red bus slogan.. immigration.
Quote:OutsideBath
I suspect most voted leave because of what left wingers don't want anyone to talk about and not the big red bus slogan.. immigration.
Quote:ChippenhamRomanQuote:OutsideBath
I suspect most voted leave because of what left wingers don't want anyone to talk about and not the big red bus slogan.. immigration.
Dare we be even more specific and say it was brown people and immigration?
The irony that we have had total control over non EU Immigration since day one. Nothing At all to do with the EU.
J
Quote:Beergoggles
Boris is suggesting a Dec 12 election but its unclear whether the Lib Dems and Labour will go for it.
Anyone care to shed light as to why the opposition parties, who apparently hate this government with a passion, don't want an election to get rid of them at the earliest opportunity. Particularly now the Flextension appears to be in the bag.
Quote:Dorset Boy
All the opposition parties say they want a GE, but for the third time will vote against holding one. Are they really so dense that they think the elctorate can't see their hypocrisy?
On the immigration front, it is very difficult for a country the size of the UK to absorb a net gain of 300,000 pax pa year in year out. That's more than the population of say Bournemouth & Poole combined, each year. That has put a massive strain on infrastructure and services across the country - extra school places, doctor's surgery time, hospital beds etc can't just appear overnight, they take years to provide.
The other factor which the liberal elite won't admit, is the disenfranchisement that is felt by a large part of the population, those who have been left behind by globilisation and the increase in wealth, plus the rapid widening of the gap between normal people and the super rich, so there was a wish to give the establishment a bloody nose.
Quote:John Tee
Immigration, aside, political integration is not stopping.
Every treaty is deeper integration. The e.u army idea is an example.
Some people see no problem with increased immigration or deeper political union and integration but these are issues where you may of may not want to legislate yourself.
Quote:JoeTheFanatic
What's the point of allowing election you are forecast to lose comfortably when you have the power to block it?
Quote:Beergoggles
Boris is suggesting a Dec 12 election but its unclear whether the Lib Dems and Labour will go for it.
Anyone care to shed light as to why the opposition parties, who apparently hate this government with a passion, don't want an election to get rid of them at the earliest opportunity. Particularly now the Flextension appears to be in the bag.
Quote:ChippenhamRoman
Letting Johnston dictate the agenda is not in the oppositions interest. Wait until 1st of November when he can “die in his ditch” then pull the trigger and call the vote of no confidence. It’s only a week away.
Quote:BeergogglesQuote:9JoeTheFanatic
What's the point of allowing election you are forecast to lose comfortably when you have the power to block it?
Basically it leaves the country in limbo, politically paralysed and without a government that is able to make decisions on behalf of its people. Not really a sustainable position and doesn’t paint the opposition in a positive light.
Quote:ChippenhamRoman
Just one poll, but this could be why.
Westminster voting intention...
if "the deadline for the UK to leave the EU has been extended beyond the 31st of October 2019":
LAB: 27%
CON: 26%
BREX: 20%
LDEM: 18%
GRN: 4%
via @ComRes, 16 - 17 Oct
Quote:With a combination of austerity + Brexit, the Tories are certainly fixing that particular 'problem'.John Tee
The U.k is a favoured destination because you will never be poor in thd u.k..or not by their definition of poor.
Quote:ChippenhamRoman
Just one poll, but this could be why.
Westminster voting intention...
if "the deadline for the UK to leave the EU has been extended beyond the 31st of October 2019":
LAB: 27%
CON: 26%
BREX: 20%
LDEM: 18%
GRN: 4%
via @ComRes, 16 - 17 Oct
Quote:BeergogglesQuote:ChippenhamRoman
Just one poll, but this could be why.
Westminster voting intention...
if "the deadline for the UK to leave the EU has been extended beyond the 31st of October 2019":
LAB: 27%
CON: 26%
BREX: 20%
LDEM: 18%
GRN: 4%
via @ComRes, 16 - 17 Oct
Farage is many things but he certainly isn't stupid. he'll want enough MPs to keep the Tories honest but not at the risk of handing the reigns to Corbyn. If these numbers are forecast expect some tactical alignment and the hardest Brexit possible.
Quote:DanWiley
"People will vote differently in an election, but these vote shares (Scotland separate) could produce Con majority 110"
Really? If that's the case our system really is broken. 1/3rd of the population leads to a sizable majority. I know it's nothing new but Brexit had happened because people don't feel represented.
Quote:DanWiley
Well, at least it gives people a chance to change their minds.
Quote:Woodpecker
SO we had an election in 2015, 2017 and now 2019, i can only assume it's the 2 year parliament act.
Quote:DanWiley
One way or the other you're about to vote one of those clowns back into power.
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:DanWiley
One way or the other you're about to vote one of those clowns back into power.
I'm actually leaning towards not bothering to vote for any of the clowns as none of them can be trusted to do what they promise. Clearly this would mean that I can't really complain about what the next government does, but hey ho.
Only saving grace for me is they can't knock on my door and blatantly lie to my face about how they're going to be good for me.
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:DanWiley
One way or the other you're about to vote one of those clowns back into power.
I'm actually leaning towards not bothering to vote for any of the clowns as none of them can be trusted to do what they promise. Clearly this would mean that I can't really complain about what the next government does, but hey ho.
Only saving grace for me is they can't knock on my door and blatantly lie to my face about how they're going to be good for me.
Quote:OutsideBath
I guess all the remainers have no choice but to vote Lib Dem if staying in the EU matters that much to them?
Tories are Brexit and Labour/Momentum have no real position on Leave/Remain and are basically loonatics anyway.
Quote:Dorset Boy
Not sure you've read that right Dan, particularly re the Labour Brexit seats. Think those are where the Brexit Party will really challenge.
No one who has an ounce of understanding of sensible economic policieswillshould vote for Corbyn & McDonnell.
It will be interesting to see what the one nation / remainer Tory voters do. Plenty don't like Boris, but clearly wouldn't be so stupid as to vote for Corbyn. What are the current (non-Brexit related) policies of the Lib Dems like? Are they 'sensible enough' to attract the disenfranchised Tory?
Quote:hemingtonQuote:Dorset Boy
Not sure you've read that right Dan, particularly re the Labour Brexit seats. Think those are where the Brexit Party will really challenge.
No one who has an ounce of understanding of sensible economic policieswillshould vote for Corbyn & McDonnell.
It will be interesting to see what the one nation / remainer Tory voters do. Plenty don't like Boris, but clearly wouldn't be so stupid as to vote for Corbyn. What are the current (non-Brexit related) policies of the Lib Dems like? Are they 'sensible enough' to attract the disenfranchised Tory?
Be interesting to see how history judges these last 10 years of austerity. In 40 years time someone like you could be writing. 'Only the young and gullible who don't recall the disaster of the 2010s will vote for them, plus the die hard lifelong Conservative supporters.'
Quote:Dorset Boy
One prediction is that the elephant in the room won't be mentioned - the fact that the NHS is the 5th largest employer in the world.
What we will hear from the left is that there aren't enough doctors, nurses or enough money being thrown at the black hole.
So, if there aren't enough front line staff, why are there so many backroom staff?- way, way more than in any other health service.
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:hemingtonQuote:Dorset Boy
Not sure you've read that right Dan, particularly re the Labour Brexit seats. Think those are where the Brexit Party will really challenge.
No one who has an ounce of understanding of sensible economic policieswillshould vote for Corbyn & McDonnell.
It will be interesting to see what the one nation / remainer Tory voters do. Plenty don't like Boris, but clearly wouldn't be so stupid as to vote for Corbyn. What are the current (non-Brexit related) policies of the Lib Dems like? Are they 'sensible enough' to attract the disenfranchised Tory?
Be interesting to see how history judges these last 10 years of austerity. In 40 years time someone like you could be writing. 'Only the young and gullible who don't recall the disaster of the 2010s will vote for them, plus the die hard lifelong Conservative supporters.'
Austerity was caused by Brown and the economically stupid pairing of Corbyn/McDonnell will just make things worse. I guess those who don't bother to work and the young might vote for them though.
Either way Brexit is likely to dominate the GE and with Boris committed to his Brexit deal ardent remaining Tories are going to have to suck up the high taxing policies of the Lib Dems and vote for them if they really believe in EU membership.
Quote:JFPC
It makes me chuckle hearing brexiteers say (with a straight face) that voting Labour would be bad for the economy. Irony is clearly lost on some people.
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:hemingtonQuote:Dorset Boy
Not sure you've read that right Dan, particularly re the Labour Brexit seats. Think those are where the Brexit Party will really challenge.
No one who has an ounce of understanding of sensible economic policieswillshould vote for Corbyn & McDonnell.
It will be interesting to see what the one nation / remainer Tory voters do. Plenty don't like Boris, but clearly wouldn't be so stupid as to vote for Corbyn. What are the current (non-Brexit related) policies of the Lib Dems like? Are they 'sensible enough' to attract the disenfranchised Tory?
Be interesting to see how history judges these last 10 years of austerity. In 40 years time someone like you could be writing. 'Only the young and gullible who don't recall the disaster of the 2010s will vote for them, plus the die hard lifelong Conservative supporters.'
Austerity was caused by Brown and the economically stupid pairing of Corbyn/McDonnell will just make things worse. I guess those who don't bother to work and the young might vote for them though.
Either way Brexit is likely to dominate the GE and with Boris committed to his Brexit deal ardent remaining Tories are going to have to suck up the high taxing policies of the Lib Dems and vote for them if they really believe in EU membership.
Quote:joethefanaticQuote:OutsideBathQuote:hemingtonQuote:Dorset Boy
Not sure you've read that right Dan, particularly re the Labour Brexit seats. Think those are where the Brexit Party will really challenge.
No one who has an ounce of understanding of sensible economic policieswillshould vote for Corbyn & McDonnell.
It will be interesting to see what the one nation / remainer Tory voters do. Plenty don't like Boris, but clearly wouldn't be so stupid as to vote for Corbyn. What are the current (non-Brexit related) policies of the Lib Dems like? Are they 'sensible enough' to attract the disenfranchised Tory?
Be interesting to see how history judges these last 10 years of austerity. In 40 years time someone like you could be writing. 'Only the young and gullible who don't recall the disaster of the 2010s will vote for them, plus the die hard lifelong Conservative supporters.'
Austerity was caused by Brown and the economically stupid pairing of Corbyn/McDonnell will just make things worse. I guess those who don't bother to work and the young might vote for them though.
Either way Brexit is likely to dominate the GE and with Boris committed to his Brexit deal ardent remaining Tories are going to have to suck up the high taxing policies of the Lib Dems and vote for them if they really believe in EU membership.
I am.curious. in what way was austerity caused by Brown?
Quote:BarnoidQuote:OutsideBathQuote:hemingtonQuote:Dorset Boy
Not sure you've read that right Dan, particularly re the Labour Brexit seats. Think those are where the Brexit Party will really challenge.
No one who has an ounce of understanding of sensible economic policieswillshould vote for Corbyn & McDonnell.
It will be interesting to see what the one nation / remainer Tory voters do. Plenty don't like Boris, but clearly wouldn't be so stupid as to vote for Corbyn. What are the current (non-Brexit related) policies of the Lib Dems like? Are they 'sensible enough' to attract the disenfranchised Tory?
Be interesting to see how history judges these last 10 years of austerity. In 40 years time someone like you could be writing. 'Only the young and gullible who don't recall the disaster of the 2010s will vote for them, plus the die hard lifelong Conservative supporters.'
Austerity was caused by Brown and the economically stupid pairing of Corbyn/McDonnell will just make things worse. I guess those who don't bother to work and the young might vote for them though.
Either way Brexit is likely to dominate the GE and with Boris committed to his Brexit deal ardent remaining Tories are going to have to suck up the high taxing policies of the Lib Dems and vote for them if they really believe in EU membership.
A phrase some of you may wish to acquaint yourselves with is, "Ok Boomer".
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:joethefanaticQuote:OutsideBathQuote:hemingtonQuote:Dorset Boy
Not sure you've read that right Dan, particularly re the Labour Brexit seats. Think those are where the Brexit Party will really challenge.
No one who has an ounce of understanding of sensible economic policieswillshould vote for Corbyn & McDonnell.
It will be interesting to see what the one nation / remainer Tory voters do. Plenty don't like Boris, but clearly wouldn't be so stupid as to vote for Corbyn. What are the current (non-Brexit related) policies of the Lib Dems like? Are they 'sensible enough' to attract the disenfranchised Tory?
Be interesting to see how history judges these last 10 years of austerity. In 40 years time someone like you could be writing. 'Only the young and gullible who don't recall the disaster of the 2010s will vote for them, plus the die hard lifelong Conservative supporters.'
Austerity was caused by Brown and the economically stupid pairing of Corbyn/McDonnell will just make things worse. I guess those who don't bother to work and the young might vote for them though.
Either way Brexit is likely to dominate the GE and with Boris committed to his Brexit deal ardent remaining Tories are going to have to suck up the high taxing policies of the Lib Dems and vote for them if they really believe in EU membership.
I am.curious. in what way was austerity caused by Brown?
His financial policies left the country pretty much bankrupt, which is basically what Labour governments do. The coalition had little choice but to impose austerity measures to try and get us close to a reasonable financial position.
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:BarnoidQuote:OutsideBathQuote:hemingtonQuote:Dorset Boy
Not sure you've read that right Dan, particularly re the Labour Brexit seats. Think those are where the Brexit Party will really challenge.
No one who has an ounce of understanding of sensible economic policieswillshould vote for Corbyn & McDonnell.
It will be interesting to see what the one nation / remainer Tory voters do. Plenty don't like Boris, but clearly wouldn't be so stupid as to vote for Corbyn. What are the current (non-Brexit related) policies of the Lib Dems like? Are they 'sensible enough' to attract the disenfranchised Tory?
Be interesting to see how history judges these last 10 years of austerity. In 40 years time someone like you could be writing. 'Only the young and gullible who don't recall the disaster of the 2010s will vote for them, plus the die hard lifelong Conservative supporters.'
Austerity was caused by Brown and the economically stupid pairing of Corbyn/McDonnell will just make things worse. I guess those who don't bother to work and the young might vote for them though.
Either way Brexit is likely to dominate the GE and with Boris committed to his Brexit deal ardent remaining Tories are going to have to suck up the high taxing policies of the Lib Dems and vote for them if they really believe in EU membership.
A phrase some of you may wish to acquaint yourselves with is, "Ok Boomer".
OK I've read the article explaining about a meaningless statement being made by some youngsters and am now fully acquainted with it. Not sure it changes anything though.