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Time to close the thread!
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Time to close the thread!
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Time to close the thread!
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Time to close the thread!
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:BathMatt53
Time to close the thread!
Or rename it the “I told you so” thread
Quote:gaz59Quote:OutsideBathQuote:BathMatt53
Time to close the thread!
Or rename it the “I told you so” thread
So if things do start to go badly and we don't get a good deal with the EU and we get shafted by Trump what are we supposed to do? Put fingers in ears, cover eyes and say well it wasn't ever about being better off it was all about having the right to decide to be shafted by Trump etc and look what we've got!
Sorry but if as a result of this monumental decision we are not better off I will say so. Not to be pious and smug but hopefully to help get back to a stronger place
And equally if it does actually go well then I'm happy to have a forum to acknowledge that too
Even Johnson is now accepting that Brexit is not really done, it is just the beginning
Quote:John Tee
Is anyone surprised... nope, not in a million.
Lets see Spain put their African enclaves in the Med up as well...lol
Quote:joethefanaticQuote:John Tee
Is anyone surprised... nope, not in a million.
Lets see Spain put their African enclaves in the Med up as well...lol
They don't need to, they're not leaving the EU.
Quote:Bathovalballer
I see the EU is so desperate for money they have hit the UK with a bill for around £1.09 billion extra for last year.
I will look forward to the day when the Brits aren't propping up the rest of Europe and not seeing any true benefits in return. I believe the UK provides something like 15% of the total EU budget so the rest of the European countries are going to have to dig deeper to fund the bun fight in both Brussels and Strasbourg in the future. That is going to be interesting. Thank God we are coming out.
Quote:annie blackthorn
I would suggest that Mods consider closing this thread.
Quote:gaz59
Perhaps, just perhaps Johnson is beginning to realise that with making promises to get into no 10 comes the responsibility of delivering on those promises
And that is the tricky bit
Quote:BBandWQuote:gaz59
Perhaps, just perhaps Johnson is beginning to realise that with making promises to get into no 10 comes the responsibility of delivering on those promises
And that is the tricky bit
Johnson has never shown a shred of concern for fulfilling his promises. As to "responsibility", although he can undoubtedly translate it into Latin and Greek, he doesn't know its meaning in English.
Quote:DanWiley
"Hope you are proud"
Having spoken to the guy, I'm quite happy with my assessment. If you believed, as I do, Boris doesn't believe in brexit, how would that effect your appraisal of his honesty? The thing Boris is getting done is project Boris.
Calling out someone as a charlatan is no bad thing. Trying to stop someone doing so is.
Quote:Le marseillais
As a friend of your country, I am a bit sad to see you leaving.
But I understand quite well your reasons.
The problem is that nobody knows actually if it is a good idea.
I sincerely hope it will be for you, and for the rest of Europe also.
I wish you good luck.
Quote:Obviously, this will not change anything for the french who like the english, and the english who like the french.John TeeQuote:Le marseillais
As a friend of your country, I am a bit sad to see you leaving.
But I understand quite well your reasons.
The problem is that nobody knows actually if it is a good idea.
I sincerely hope it will be for you, and for the rest of Europe also.
I wish you good luck.
We've left a political Union, doesn't mean we cant be friends. It depends however, how you treat friends.
I'll still holiday in France because i like it there..thats not going to change
Quote:Le marseillaisQuote:John TeeQuote:Le marseillais
As a friend of your country, I am a bit sad to see you leaving.
But I understand quite well your reasons.
The problem is that nobody knows actually if it is a good idea.
I sincerely hope it will be for you, and for the rest of Europe also.
I wish you good luck.
We've left a political Union, doesn't mean we cant be friends. It depends however, how you treat friends.
I'll still holiday in France because i like it there..thats not going to change
Obviously, this will not change anything for the french who like the english, and the english who like the french.
Many english are involved in the communities of south west of France, and have now to leave municipalities staff (hope you understand that)
We are disappointed of this "new deal", as these people are.
The danger is the idiot people, who could pit against each over.
Quote:That is perfect french !shipwreckedQuote:Le marseillaisQuote:John TeeQuote:Le marseillais
As a friend of your country, I am a bit sad to see you leaving.
But I understand quite well your reasons.
The problem is that nobody knows actually if it is a good idea.
I sincerely hope it will be for you, and for the rest of Europe also.
I wish you good luck.
We've left a political Union, doesn't mean we cant be friends. It depends however, how you treat friends.
I'll still holiday in France because i like it there..thats not going to change
Obviously, this will not change anything for the french who like the english, and the english who like the french.
Many english are involved in the communities of south west of France, and have now to leave municipalities staff (hope you understand that)
We are disappointed of this "new deal", as these people are.
The danger is the idiot people, who could pit against each over.
Exactement, tout à fait d'accord.
Quote:Two reasons:DanWiley
Why are you so keen to close the thread? It's clear some people still want to talk about it. A brexit trade deal thread is still about brexit.
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Instead of concentrating on getting the right trade agreement Many remainers want it to fail to prove themselves right. Just admit it rather than wallowing in negativity.
Quote:woodpecker
Oh dear, just heard on LBC, that Boris is threatening to 'walk away' ........again.
I knew this year would be no different to the last two.
Can't they just get on with agreeing something mutually beneficial without all the stupid rhetoric, Its embarrassing .
Quote:woodpecker
Oh dear, just heard on LBC, that Boris is threatening to 'walk away' ........again.
I knew this year would be no different to the last two.
Can't they just get on with agreeing something mutually beneficial without all the stupid rhetoric, Its embarrassing.
I feel sorry for all the thick northerners who thought they were going to 'get brexit done' in December.
Quote:John TeeQuote:woodpecker
Oh dear, just heard on LBC, that Boris is threatening to 'walk away' ........again.
I knew this year would be no different to the last two.
Can't they just get on with agreeing something mutually beneficial without all the stupid rhetoric, Its embarrassing .
It cuts both ways...and both sides will be at the rhetoric, so your point is only really useful if you agree that...otherwise, you allow one side a lead or edge and criticise the other for doing the same..
I like the use of 'they' if you mean both sides. .but if by 'they' you mean Johnson and crew then your side is loud and clear.
People have to get their head round the fact that we are now out, so the only way forward is to get the best deal for the UK. The only way forward...or do people want a bad deal so they can say 'told you'
Quote:DunnoQuote:woodpecker
Oh dear, just heard on LBC, that Boris is threatening to 'walk away' ........again.
I knew this year would be no different to the last two.
Can't they just get on with agreeing something mutually beneficial without all the stupid rhetoric, Its embarrassing.
I feel sorry for all the thick northerners who thought they were going to 'get brexit done' in December.
Anyone, northern or otherwise, who believed they were getting brexit done, was thick.
Indeed
And so the abusive tw&tfest continues eh?
Quote:shipwreckedQuote:Two reasons:DanWiley
Why are you so keen to close the thread? It's clear some people still want to talk about it. A brexit trade deal thread is still about brexit.
1) To move on, that phase is over.
2) The spiteful comments and comparisons.
Edit: It's not just me 3 other comments.
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Oh dear, just heard on LBC, that Boris is threatening to 'walk away' ........again.
I knew this year would be no different to the last two.
Can't they just get on with agreeing something mutually beneficial without all the stupid rhetoric, Its embarrassing.
I feel sorry for all the thick northerners who thought they were going to 'get brexit done' in December.
Anyone, northern or otherwise, who believed they were getting brexit done, was thick.
Indeed
And so the abusive tw&tfest continues eh?
In fact on Saturday morning whilst listening to the Today programme, I heard a northerner saying that they 'were glad it was all over'. I will let you be the judge of his thickness or otherwise.
Quote:CoochieCoo
Come on guys cease the insults. There are winners and losers of elections and referenda, that is democracy. Just because you have a different view you don’t have to insult the other person debate the point not the man.
Quote:warrenball
CC I agree with your thoughts, abuse and bad language are not necessary but have been part and parcel of politics for hundreds of years and that was even before the corrosive influence of social media, so I would not be at all surprised to hear your plea fall on deaf ears.
Quote:Socrates
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.
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CC I agree with your thoughts, abuse and bad language are not necessary but have been part and parcel of politics for hundreds of years and that was even before the corrosive influence of social media, so I would not be at all surprised to hear your plea fall on deaf ears.Quote:Socrates
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.
....and insults!
Quote:The Bear
Do people not tire of this? This thread has had every shade of 'people who voted differently to me are stupid'.
Are you sure your so clever ?
Have you once stopped and reflected on your values, the differences and why they might be toxic to many a voter.
Do you genuinely believe you lost because of 'lies' or russian interference or Facebook? Or have you been conned into believing that this loss was about something other than views being unpopular?
Quote:joethefanatic
These repeated calls to shut down discussion and debate on Brexit do look a tad convenient.
We're about to enter the period when the negotiations really begin and hard decisions will have to be made (not, it has to be said, historically a strong point of Boris's). This is the bit that decides how the immediate future of the UK will look. I think that's worth a continuing thread.
Quote:DanWiley
I'm still happy to discuss it. I presume those that are tired of it just stop reading.
'Have you once stopped and reflected on your values, the differences and why they might be toxic to many a voter."
I honestly don't see why my values have influenced that many voters one way or another.
I believe leave won because they played on the fears, pride and prejudice of a sizable section of the population. That message did contain numerous lies many of which, had they been corrected, could easily have meant a 2% in the result, frankly the weather on the day could have, and we'd be in a very different place now. My views aren't unpopular, there's never been a time where leave reflected a large majority of the population.
Quote:Man from LA
[www.statista.com]
The share of total contributions for 2018 (most recent figures):
Germany 20.78%
France 15.5%
UK 11.88%
Italy 11.74%
Propping up? 15%?
Fake news.
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Exactly Joe its not about shutting down the discussion in any way. Its about moving it forward to its new phase.
The thread and the discussion that goes with it is being strangled by some who want to re-debate what has already been decided. By all means discuss the future, you are one of the few that seem able to do so.
Quote:John Tee
I dont mind the opening gambits in the talks being fiesty or determined.
If you offer up concessions then dont be surprised if someone puts that straight in the back pocket and advances their line forward.
By the same token, in diplomatic speak, we will review it might mean, fat chance and dismissed.
Sooner or later, both sides will need to get serious about what compromises they can sell to their audience.
So, do i want a hardball negotiator, you bet, who on earth wouldn't.
By all means, state your reasons why you wouldn't?
Quote:Bath Supporter Jack
Just heard from someone "in the thick of it"..........that it is already "accepted" that a deal will not be possible with the EU as we are too far apart at the moment.
Apparently it is going to be quickly stated that this is not possible and they are going to get on with other deals and if the EU come our way a bit (by the sounds of it a lot) then there may be a quick and dirty deal done by the end of the year.
Quote:The Bear
Do people not tire of this? This thread has had every shade of 'people who voted differently to me are stupid'.
Are you sure your so clever ?
Quote:JFPCQuote:The Bear
Do people not tire of this? This thread has had every shade of 'people who voted differently to me are stupid'.
Are you sure your so clever ?
I think you'll find it's 'you're'!
Quote:joethefanatic
If we're going to keep tabs on how the negotiations are going, we're going to need a list of what was promised.
I start us off with "frictionless trade with the EU".
Quote:ChippenhamRomanQuote:John Tee
I dont mind the opening gambits in the talks being fiesty or determined.
If you offer up concessions then dont be surprised if someone puts that straight in the back pocket and advances their line forward.
By the same token, in diplomatic speak, we will review it might mean, fat chance and dismissed.
Sooner or later, both sides will need to get serious about what compromises they can sell to their audience.
So, do i want a hardball negotiator, you bet, who on earth wouldn't.
By all means, state your reasons why you wouldn't?
Is it a hardball negotiator or an utter fantasist though?
I love the idea of “tough” but you also have to be realistic.
I would love a brand new BMW. But small problem, I can’t afford one. No amount of tough negotiating is going to get me one.
We all have to be realistic that Brexit was not “done”. The deal was not “ready made” and the real work ahead is the actual “deal” that people were thinking the government when they spoke of a “deal”.
J
Quote:BBandWQuote:joethefanatic
If we're going to keep tabs on how the negotiations are going, we're going to need a list of what was promised.
I start us off with "frictionless trade with the EU".
I'll add- they'll be no borders or checks between southern and northern ireland, or, northern ireland and mainland UK
Quote:John TeeQuote:BBandWQuote:joethefanatic
If we're going to keep tabs on how the negotiations are going, we're going to need a list of what was promised.
I start us off with "frictionless trade with the EU".
I'll add- they'll be no borders or checks between southern and northern ireland, or, northern ireland and mainland UK
Bang goes your compromises then...make up your mind what you want.
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If we're going to keep tabs on how the negotiations are going, we're going to need a list of what was promised.
I start us off with "frictionless trade with the EU".
I'll add- they'll be no borders or checks between southern and northern ireland, or, northern ireland and mainland UK
Bang goes your compromises then...make up your mind what you want.
I think you may be missing the point JT. This is intended as a list of the things that were promised that Brexit would deliver. The idea is to see if they become reality over the next 11 months. I agree it's not looking overly positive right now but there's always hope, I suppose.
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No doubt if Johnson is offered a deal like Canada has he will promote it as historic but there is a lot of ignorance [term not used in a derogatory way, just factual], so I took this from the BBC website:
"What does CETA do?
We've heard a lot about wanting a "zero-tariff, zero-quota" deal between the UK and the EU. Ceta does not do that.
CETA gets rid of most, but not all, tariffs (that's taxes on imports) on goods traded between the EU and Canada. Tariffs remain on poultry, meat and eggs.
It also increases quotas (that's the amount of a product that can be exported without extra charges) but does not get rid of them altogether. For example, quotas on EU cheese exports to Canada increase from 18,500 tonnes to 31,972 tonnes a year.
It does little for the trade in services and in particular almost nothing for the trade in financial services, which is very important for the UK economy.
It also does not remove border checks, so there is still a possibility that goods have to be examined at ports to make sure they meet regulatory requirements, and their paperwork is in order."
Not exactly what his Brexiteer side of the party, a lot of business and many leavers had in mind hence Cummings painting the hard ball narrative now to cover up for what actually comes in
Quote:Bath Supporter Jack Deals apparently lined up with countries representing 13% of World GDP..........