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Any signing fees also are only incurred in the year they are effective. So if you have cap space you could in theory use signing fees to offset salary to reduce the burden on future years.
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Any signing fees also are only incurred in the year they are effective. So if you have cap space you could in theory use signing fees to offset salary to reduce the burden on future years.
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So, a signing fee to the player (not the club that let them go which is outside the cap) is salary. The Redundancy/Compromise fee is also 'salary' in relation to our previous discussion.
Quote:Premier Rugby Salary Cap Regulations
2.3 (General Principles of the Regulations/Operation of the Regulations)
(b) Any payment or benefit in kind which falls within the definition of Salary under the Regulations shall be deemed, for the purposes of the Regulations, to be made in the Salary Cap Year in which the payment is contracted to be paid or in which the service is provided. For the avoidance of doubt and unless it is specifically addressed elsewhere in the Regulations:
(i) any payment amounting to Salary in respect of a Player’s signing-on or contract renewal fee shall be included in the Salary Cap Year in which the first day of the Player’s contract commences and not spread over the term of the Contract;
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So, a signing fee to the player (not the club that let them go which is outside the cap) is salary. The Redundancy/Compromise fee is also 'salary' in relation to our previous discussion.
According to the regulations it is salary and comes out of the cap, but is loaded to day 1 of the contract.
Quote:Premier Rugby Salary Cap Regulations
2.3 (General Principles of the Regulations/Operation of the Regulations)
(b) Any payment or benefit in kind which falls within the definition of Salary under the Regulations shall be deemed, for the purposes of the Regulations, to be made in the Salary Cap Year in which the payment is contracted to be paid or in which the service is provided. For the avoidance of doubt and unless it is specifically addressed elsewhere in the Regulations:
(i) any payment amounting to Salary in respect of a Player’s signing-on or contract renewal fee shall be included in the Salary Cap Year in which the first day of the Player’s contract commences and not spread over the term of the Contract;
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I don't think Cokanasiga is ready for the premiership yet.
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From (admittedly little) i've seen of him. He's got good hands. Hasn't looked good in defence though. I think more worryingly, apart from against Leicester, he hasn't even looked that bothered in defence.
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From (admittedly little) i've seen of him. He's got good hands. Hasn't looked good in defence though. I think more worryingly, apart from against Leicester, he hasn't even looked that bothered in defence.
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From (admittedly little) i've seen of him. He's got good hands. Hasn't looked good in defence though. I think more worryingly, apart from against Leicester, he hasn't even looked that bothered in defence.
So the new Tom Varndell, big, quick but passive at best in defense? Is it worth having a player score a couple of great tries only for him to concede a couple of weak ones?
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Heard from a good source that Bath are after Twelvetrees...
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Heard from a good source that Bath are after Twelvetrees...
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Quote:in fairness, the rumour started 6 weeks after being confirmed as falseBathMatt53Quote:King Curtis
Heard from a good source that Bath are after Twelvetrees...
Shortest transfer rumour in history? Or fastest contract negotiations in history once the Glos Board read KCs comment?
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I personally feel that if we are hoping to be a top 4 contender consistently and compete across the AP, Champions Cup etc we need to aim higher than Twelvetrees or Willison. People didn't like Devoto for his supposed brainfarts yet a couple would be happy with Twelvetrees! At least Devoto is a developing player!
I would rather see us sign someone that can play week in/week out in either 12 or 13 shirts where as I feel like this is more useful to us whilst Clark develops and when JJ is with England etc. I hope we are linked with someone of a top calibre who would fit this mould soon! Ngatai or someone of that ilk would be lovely!
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I personally feel that if we are hoping to be a top 4 contender consistently and compete across the AP, Champions Cup etc we need to aim higher than Twelvetrees or Willison. People didn't like Devoto for his supposed brainfarts yet a couple would be happy with Twelvetrees! At least Devoto is a developing player!
I would rather see us sign someone that can play week in/week out in either 12 or 13 shirts where as I feel like this is more useful to us whilst Clark develops and when JJ is with England etc. I hope we are linked with someone of a top calibre who would fit this mould soon! Ngatai or someone of that ilk would be lovely!
I disagree on this. I think that a quality utility back or two (with James Wilson and Banners likely to leave) would be of more value than a top quality player in one position behind other top quality players who only realistically play one position. They can't all be superstars but we do need some solid and adaptable players to cover injury and international call us.
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Bar JJ and Taps (who is yet to be announced as re-signing) we don't have any centres that are established talent though? Clark is showing real promise and is a good young option but we surely need another AP quality player who could slot in to start 12/13 in the absence of either of JJ/Taps?
I personally believe - and I'm basing this on personal experience as well as the fact that Wasps, Exeter and Sarries (the three best teams in our league) all have very good centre choices and they all seem to be doing pretty well - that your back three talent is only ever as good as the players inside of them. Having Roko, Brew, Watson et al is only any good if we can get the ball to them in those games where JJ may be away and maybe Taps is injured! Otherwise it's just Clark and the young fella from Leeds in our centres - neither of whom is an experienced head!
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Taps and Auterac confirmed Quinswards.
Quote:OutsideBath
No doubt Taps will be replaced by a cheaper less able centre.
Does anyone actually want to stay at Bath?
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Why don't we tear up all existing players contracts or put them on minimal wages, and pay all players by results? Wins mean big bonuses and losses mean very low wages. I think this will concentrate minds of those on the field, ensure training is meaningful and competitive and they would certainly put more into their respective games and skills, and no doubt support each other more, ot they and their families may not eat.
Incentivising earnings by results certainly keeps much of the working population in the real world eyes on the ball and may well prove what is needed to succeed in the competitive environment of a team sport. All the squad will want to start, fighting for places and they would not take kindly for those around them who make mistakes or lack the required skills or efforts.
We definitely need to try something radical as everything else appears to be failing and the players are not following what the coaches want and expect. Those on a winning side may well earn more than they currently do and those who are not playing or starting will earn less. Seems like a win win situation to me.
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We seem to be paying the price of profligacy and lip service to the salary cap for the past five years, and that BC is trying to be squeaky clean in the eyes of the authorities.
Unfortunately, if that is the case it means we are having to rearrange our budget in allowing players to leave, and signing less well known names to make up the shortfall.
I’m slightly annoyed / concerned that those clubs with significant South African investment are carrying on as normal, splashing big cash that doesn’t reconcile with the salary cap.
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We seem to be paying the price of profligacy and lip service to the salary cap for the past five years, and that BC is trying to be squeaky clean in the eyes of the authorities.
Unfortunately, if that is the case it means we are having to rearrange our budget in allowing players to leave, and signing less well known names to make up the shortfall.
I’m slightly annoyed / concerned that those clubs with significant South African investment are carrying on as normal, splashing big cash that doesn’t reconcile with the salary cap.
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Jamie Roberts to us... Just a thought!
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Where's that Captain Pickard facepalm...
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Jamie Roberts to us... Just a thought!
Quote:Which Tyler
Of course, the obvious candidate to replace him is to raid our alternative academy, and grab TBC
Quote:@bathrugby have agreed a deal with @ColomiersRugby tight-head Victor Delmas according to this morning's @midi_olympique
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As said previously we are also supposedly signing the Toulouse forwards/defence coach Pierre-Henry Broncan, who looks to have masterminded Delmas deal with his connections to Colomiers.
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Knight, Perenise and KPN all out of contract at the end of the season, with Lahif and Thomas performing well, I guess this is a way of reducing spending on our THs.
Quote:Which Tyler
Of course, the obvious candidate to replace him is to raid our alternative academy, and grab TBC at the same time of JC and JW.
Of course, TBC will be wanting more game-time than he'd likely get here.
Quote:You assume correctlyby
Theo Brophy Clews, I assumed.
Quote:Which TylerQuote:You assume correctlyby
Theo Brophy Clews, I assumed.
Jackson Willison confirmed Worcester => Bath
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Nice bit of bosh, now for the Tapuai replacement (ideally, one named Johnny W)
Quote:You doubt it? Ask the french what they want in a forward and they'd pretty much draw you James Phillips. And that's besides the fact it's true, he may be playing rugby in the top 14 next year.Of course the Top 14 are interested in him
Quote:Field marshallQuote:You doubt it? Ask the french what they want in a forward and they'd pretty much draw you James Phillips. And that's besides the fact it's true, he may be playing rugby in the top 14 next year.Of course the Top 14 are interested in him
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Well if Sarries can sign Lewington I see no reason why we cant sign Joe Cokanasiga !
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Well if Sarries can sign Lewington I see no reason why we cant sign Joe Cokanasiga !
Quote:Which TylerQuote:You assume correctlyby
Theo Brophy Clews, I assumed.
Jackson Willison confirmed Worcester => Bath
[www.bathrugby.com]
Nice bit of bosh, now for the Tapuai replacement (ideally, one named Johnny W)