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Discussion started by Which Tyler (IP Logged), 03 February, 2018 13:31
Wales v Scotland kicking off soon, France v Ireland coming along later.
Welsh Rarebit on Crumpets for lunch, then plenty of Guinness in stock. May be making ever less sense as the day goes on (starting from a pretty low base though, so it may be difficult to tell)
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Welsh Rarebit on Crumpets for lunch, then plenty of Guinness in stock. May be making ever less sense as the day goes on (starting from a pretty low base though, so it may be difficult to tell)
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Wales v Scotland kicking off soon, France v Ireland coming along later.
Welsh Rarebit on Crumpets for lunch, then plenty of Guinness in stock. Okay be making ever less sense as thenday goes on (starting from a pretty low base though, so it may be difficult to tell)
Might want to edit the above WT, looks like you had too much Guinness on your cornflakes.
A few bottles of Felifoel in the fridge, did the shopping at 8.00am trying to manage the banter from neighbours suggesting I'll be wearing a Scotland shirt!
Looking forward to game 1.
I'm liking this ref.
Scrum feeds, and shoulder binding
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Scrum feeds, and shoulder binding
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It's like watching Bath. Error after error handing the ball on a plate, incapable of stringing 4 phases together
Welsh were reasonably good, but the Scots were embarrassing bad and just couldn't keep hold of the ball.
Wales good, Scotland poor. As always with the Scots talk is cheap. Every season we here that the Scots are going to win the Six Nations but they then fall flat on their faces. Justice!!!!!
Wales defence better than good - excellent never let them get going.
Wales back row were excellent Navidi and Shingler in particular, Steff Evans try forward, 1/2p's second marginal, soft interception.
England need to win ball up front to starve the backs as Patchell had them fired up. But a good watch!
England need to win ball up front to starve the backs as Patchell had them fired up. But a good watch!
Interesting how rarely Wal kicked for touch. They were happy for Sco to just run the ball back at them.
At the end of the day it's always nice to see the Scots soundly beaten.
Free kicks for scrum feeds? Am I in a time warp?
Sure I saw lifting in the line out too.
Sure I saw lifting in the line out too.
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Free kicks for scrum feeds? Am I in a time warp?
Sure I saw lifting in the line out too.
Yep, I had to replay that bit a couple of times, crooked feed, I though that was history.
I wonder if this is a referee purge for this year?
Free kick against Wales should have been for foot up - hooker's leg cam forward, 2 secs later the ball gets fed....
I'd just like to thank the BBC for sending Eddie Butler to Paris. He would have been unbearable commentating from Cardiff.
Cagey stuff in the 2nd game, nowhere near as entertaining as the 1st game watching as a neutral. Ironed my shirts for the week after seeing the first quarter.
Cagey stuff in the 2nd game, nowhere near as entertaining as the 1st game watching as a neutral. Ironed my shirts for the week after seeing the first quarter.
Dreadful commentator, player identification poor, can't even see if the ball has gone through the posts.
Quote: Butler - "The rain is falling"
Moore - "Does it do anything else?"
Quote: Butler - "The rain is falling"
Moore - "Does it do anything else?"
Oh dear Ireland. If it ends like this you've been beaten by a Terrible terrible France.
And the award for the least convincing person saying "obviously" goes to...
"you're telling me it's a hia?" "Obviously".
"you're telling me it's a hia?" "Obviously".
French shenanigans in the front row, limps slowly off with a Knee injury but the doctor calls it as an HIA!
Unbelievable 40 phases, then Sexton drops a beautiful dropped goal! With the clock at 82 mins.
Watching on delay, but Butler really is a F**Kwit. Sexton hooks it and clearly misses the posts and Eddie thinks he put fade on it and it went through!
Not to mention thinking Sexton was Stockdale.
He isn't worth 1p of the licence fee - time for the BBC to save another male wage.
Poor, poor spectacle too.
Not to mention thinking Sexton was Stockdale.
He isn't worth 1p of the licence fee - time for the BBC to save another male wage.
Poor, poor spectacle too.
Who is the seriously biased Irish ex-player assisting Moore & Butler? He has added nothing.
Quote:independent Drs at international level these days.shipwrecked
French shenanigans in the front row, limps slowly off with a Knee injury but the doctor calls it as an HIA!
First one spent quite a long time stationary on the floor.
Second knackered his knee, but was then tackled onto his head. ETA - reverse angle makes it look like he didnt contact head to ground very hard
I don't feel either lost consciousness, but there was enough there to justify having a look at both of them, and far better safe than sorry.
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Who is the seriously biased Irish ex-player assisting Moore & Butler? He has added nothing.
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Serious composure to manage 40 phases at the end there. We'd manage about 4.
Give yourself a day off BO. All those 40 phases proved is how easy it is to go through a billion phases when the defence simply cannot affford to give away a penalty. The DG though - world-class.
The phases thing was phenomenal in that from one of those phases Sexton cross kicked to Earle who caught it made 15 yards then recycled again, all with the clock in the red. So nerve to do that.
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French shenanigans in the front row, limps slowly off with a Knee injury but the doctor calls it as an HIA!
Wasn't he a scrum half?
I admit the HIA puzzled me - but it should not have surprised Nigel Owens. it was Owens' own signal that the player had suffered a head injury- so likely that caused the MO to decide he must do an HIA and thus to report back to Owens that the player was being assessed!
A cyclical decision - right or wrong!
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Levi Davis: my adopted Player, 2019-20.
Yes, then second HIA was initially called by Nige himself, stopping the game and calling for an HIA.
Both HiAs had enough that we saw to justify an HIA, even if not cast-iron.
They were both called for by an independent Dr with access to more footage than we had. This needs would have had no interest in helping France, but a big interest in not leaving a concussed player on the pitch, which is a hell of a lot better than the previous situation.
IMO, this is a price well worth paying, and EPCR and PRL should look at doing the same thing.
For those who don't remember, leaving it club Drs means that Dom Ryan is official "winded" whilst clearly out cold, Ma'afu takes a knee to the head and loses all muscle tone, bit nothing happens, Faletau gets taken of "for an HIA" to assess his knee and North gets taken off "for an HIA" to check his shoulder with no HIA even performed (when he had lost consciousness). Oh, and the French prop taken off for a dubious HIA on the instructions of then French team Dr.
The previous system had this exact same flaws with the addition of greater cynicism and the addition of failing to actually conduct the HIA, or the Dr being the only person in the country who doesn't see the lights go out.
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Both HiAs had enough that we saw to justify an HIA, even if not cast-iron.
They were both called for by an independent Dr with access to more footage than we had. This needs would have had no interest in helping France, but a big interest in not leaving a concussed player on the pitch, which is a hell of a lot better than the previous situation.
IMO, this is a price well worth paying, and EPCR and PRL should look at doing the same thing.
For those who don't remember, leaving it club Drs means that Dom Ryan is official "winded" whilst clearly out cold, Ma'afu takes a knee to the head and loses all muscle tone, bit nothing happens, Faletau gets taken of "for an HIA" to assess his knee and North gets taken off "for an HIA" to check his shoulder with no HIA even performed (when he had lost consciousness). Oh, and the French prop taken off for a dubious HIA on the instructions of then French team Dr.
The previous system had this exact same flaws with the addition of greater cynicism and the addition of failing to actually conduct the HIA, or the Dr being the only person in the country who doesn't see the lights go out.
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I get what you are saying which, but from Owens reaction whist he'd initially called at as a potential head injury, he clearly wasn't convinced*. But surely if player health is the key, and why shouldn't it be, change the laws and say you can bring on a fit player who had been subbed. Giving everyone a level playing field and say you can roll subs. Make leaving an unfit player on the field unforgivable. Why not?
* I'm not saying as a ref he wasn't right to say "drs orders".
* I'm not saying as a ref he wasn't right to say "drs orders".
Oh, I absolutely agree that on reflection Nige was entirely unconvinced. However the call was made initially by Nige, and then by the independent match Dr who has no reason to be cynical.
Once the call has been made, it can't be unmade as far as I'm aware, so if the Dr sees one TV angle and says "we need to check" then it needs to be checked, even if another angle shows that actually it's all fine. Oh, and anyone (not you) asking for the ref to overuse the Dr is just sing ridiculous.
Given the independence of the match Dr, the BBC'S conspiracy theories are bull IMO.
Whether we go to rolling subs or not... as a rugby fan I'd hate to see that; as a medical practitioner it does seem safest.
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Once the call has been made, it can't be unmade as far as I'm aware, so if the Dr sees one TV angle and says "we need to check" then it needs to be checked, even if another angle shows that actually it's all fine. Oh, and anyone (not you) asking for the ref to overuse the Dr is just sing ridiculous.
Given the independence of the match Dr, the BBC'S conspiracy theories are bull IMO.
Whether we go to rolling subs or not... as a rugby fan I'd hate to see that; as a medical practitioner it does seem safest.
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Hia is for if you think there might have been a head injury. If you're sure there's been a head injury then you're supposed to just skip the hia.
Quote:Nopehasta
Hia is for if you think there might have been a head injury. If you're sure there's been a head injury then you're supposed to just skip the hia.
Head Injury Assessment is to assess any potential head injury; specifically looking for signs of concussion.
You skip it if it's already failed (loss of consciousness has already been seen, by video, ref/tj or team mate)
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Any idea why they have dropped the ref mic from the BBC coverage? There were a few occasions yesterday when I would have liked to have heard what was being discussed, especially this one. But also a few penalty calls in both matches where the camera wasn't watching the ref and a few conversations and a TMO decision all in silence! Quite a number of times I didn't even hear the whistle, just saw the players all stop. Is there a new directive that I have missed?
Elliott Stooke- proudly adopted for 2018-19
Elliott Stooke- proudly adopted for 2018-19
Poor defence - Watson trying to mark 2 players, then Jonny May caught in no mans land.
Mike Brown has had a poor start and seems to be missing in defence....
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Mike Brown has had a poor start and seems to be missing in defence....
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Good response. Italy struggling with England wrapping around / looping.
All very well J May giving 2 scoring passes but he has to make the tackle count!
England's midfield is impressive, we've got props showing nice handling in among ford and Farrell.
I wonder if Brown had had his day, he does give confidence, but now also had dodgy moments and when he got the ball on the wing there I never thought he was about to ask a question.
I wonder if Brown had had his day, he does give confidence, but now also had dodgy moments and when he got the ball on the wing there I never thought he was about to ask a question.
Brown was completely awol for the try - he should have been either helping Watson or helping May. He was stationary in mid field instead.
He doesn't ask any questions in attack either.
I really don't understand why England persist with him.
He doesn't ask any questions in attack either.
I really don't understand why England persist with him.
Brown just giving away a needless high tackle, having a bit of a mare
So what is the law about crooked feeds. Two penalised yesterday but none today but every feed I saw from both sides looked crooked to me and no different to the ones disallowed yesterday!
Not to mention the number of times the hooker has his foot up before the ball goes in.
Agree about the feeds, Scotland were unlucky that they were penalised with the 1st scrum in front of their posts.
If a ref is going to set an example you don't want it to be costing you 7 points which is what happened yesterday.
Presumably the refs are mentioning this pre match to both teams so why is today's ref not imposing it?
If a ref is going to set an example you don't want it to be costing you 7 points which is what happened yesterday.
Presumably the refs are mentioning this pre match to both teams so why is today's ref not imposing it?
Quote:SH doesn't have to stand central to the packs, but his shoulder does have to be (which was penalised twice yesterday IIR, SH stood too close to his own team).CoochieCoo
So what is the law about crooked feeds. Two penalised yesterday but none today but every feed I saw from both sides looked crooked to me and no different to the ones disallowed yesterday!
The ball doesn't have to go in straight, but it has to go through the tunnel, not straight to the locks; so if it rolls through, it should emerge in front of the THP's feet, not behind (penalised once yesterday IIRC)
WR has ordered and published, that refs clamp down on it again, yesterday's were particularly agregious, bit they'll soon slip back to ignoring them again. Today's scrums not as bad (still illegal, but much closer) and being let go
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Mike Brown is garbage and England won’t win the World Cup with him there. And - any clues which 9 will be on bench next week?
Quote:Vellacott, Robson and Wigglesworth are combined 3rd choice.Optimist
Mike Brown is garbage and England won’t win the World Cup with him there. And - any clues which 9 will be on bench next week?
None have trained with any Eddie Jones squad yet (IIRC)
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Mike Brown is garbage and England won’t win the World Cup with him there. And - any clues which 9 will be on bench next week?
Couldn't agree more with the assessment of Brown. He's a great player for a struggling side as his commitment is absolute, but definitely does not have the quality for a side aiming to be number 1.
Would you take Ant off the wing however?
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Mike Brown is garbage and England won’t win the World Cup with him there. And - any clues which 9 will be on bench next week?
Couldn't agree more with the assessment of Brown. He's a great player for a struggling side as his commitment is absolute, but definitely does not have the quality for a side aiming to be number 1.
Would you take Ant off the wing however?
I would. We have plenty of decent wingers at the moment but not too many (potentially) world class 15s.
I agree, the more time Ant gets at 15 for England the more comfortable he will become.
Quote:Easy to score if you can pass forward to your man who's already past the tackle line ...Dorset Boy
Missed tackles in mid field?
"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."
Itoje should go to the bin. Collapsed the maul and then prevented quick release.
Seat belt tackle from Brown?
Seat belt tackle from Brown?
England look a million miles from being wc contenders. Have they put more than 5 phases together. Like Bath, as BO will no doubt remind us
They certainly need to play better than this against the better teams in this tournament, that’s for sure.
68% Italian possession this half.
Brown off.
Ant to 15
Rat tail onto the wing.
Brown off.
Ant to 15
Rat tail onto the wing.
Brown is just not quick enough and has been caught flat footed a number of times
"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."
"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."
I'm not sure @#$%& the put in law
[laws.worldrugby.org]
16.f suggests that it has to be "straight along the centre line."
That's not what I've been told, I was told it does have to be straight, but doesn't need to go down "the middle" that is the 9 can take a step to the right so long as he keeps his shoulder in line with the bind.
Is that link out of date?
[laws.worldrugby.org]
16.f suggests that it has to be "straight along the centre line."
That's not what I've been told, I was told it does have to be straight, but doesn't need to go down "the middle" that is the 9 can take a step to the right so long as he keeps his shoulder in line with the bind.
Is that link out of date?
Try for Daddy's Boy.
Quick ball and England are a different side.
Quick ball and England are a different side.
Ford Farrell axis working well set up by initial break by JJ
"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."
"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."
Alec Hepburn is too pretty for a prop. And Simmonds is the best centre on the pitch.
Quote:He's been outstanding on debut....will be interesting to see him against tougher oppositionDorset Boy
Is Sam Simmons the only Exeter player with a sensible haircut?
"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."
Quote:Yeah such a shame we don't have any young talented back rowers at Bath......BathMatt53
Exeter player. Just sayin’. They are awesome, sniff.
"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."
Quote:agreedDorset Boy
Think Simmons should have been MOTM personally.
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Gap in the market - barber shops in Exeter.
Stopping England seems to depend on slowing the ball down so future results might depend on how refs handle that.
Thought Simmonds should have been MoM, refreshing to see a forward running at gaps.
Solid platform from England, just the one line out lost I think.
Stopping England seems to depend on slowing the ball down so future results might depend on how refs handle that.
Thought Simmonds should have been MoM, refreshing to see a forward running at gaps.
Solid platform from England, just the one line out lost I think.
Would give England no more than 6 out of 10 for that performance.
Was good to see how dangerous AW is when playing in a team with an attack plan.
Was good to see how dangerous AW is when playing in a team with an attack plan.
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Would give England no more than 6 out of 10 for that performance.
Just out of interest, over the 80 minutes what exactly was missing? Or are you just being mean spirited?
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Would give England no more than 6 out of 10 for that performance.
Just out of interest, over the 80 minutes what exactly was missing? Or are you just being mean spirited?
Long periods where intensity dropped, too many penalties given away and defensively poor for their tries.
Quote:ballsout
Simmons played really well. He's in no way an 8 though
Agreed. He’s like a more dynamic Underhill. Which could cause issues for Underhill.
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