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Discussion started by Mike the Taxi (IP Logged), 13 February, 2019 20:29
Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
13 February, 2019 20:29
[www.somersetlive.co.uk] Stadium Designs still being Perfected for Planning



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 15/02/2019 12:29 by CoochieCoo.

Comeonmylovers.co.uk
Comeonmylovers.co.uk
29 May, 2018 07:08
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Puxonian
Puxonian
15 June, 2018 18:29
Stade de Bain

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Which Tyler
16 June, 2018 04:21
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Stade de Bain
we can replaced the pipes in trumpets with Victorian era gurgling pipework?


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Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
04 July, 2018 13:29
Not strictly 'The Rec', but Bath Recreation Ltd involved in this:
[www.somersetlive.co.uk] Broadmoor Lane Play Area re-instated

john fox
johnnyf
13 July, 2018 06:47
P G Tips - on 6 May you posted that you were scheduled in to attend a meeting with the Steering Group planned for July.
Any further news on this?

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CoochieCoo
13 July, 2018 13:37
Stadium of Bath has tweeted and it is on the news section of their website

[stadiumforbath.com]

Quote:
The Stadium for Bath public exhibition will be held in the Ricoh Suite, in the South Stand of Bathís current stadium at the Rec, from 12pm to 7pm on Wednesday 25thand Thursday 26thJuly, 10am to 5pm on Friday 27thJuly and 10am to 4pm on Saturday 28thJuly.



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 13/07/2018 13:45 by CoochieCoo.

Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
13 July, 2018 14:36
[www.somersetlive.co.uk] Chronic also

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CoochieCoo
23 July, 2018 11:04
Latest from the Club 5 key areas

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hasta
23 July, 2018 13:35
Another very professional delivery.

nick holder
nick holder
23 July, 2018 17:06
I see we are going for an artificial/hybrid pitch. Understandable given the multi use, but does it not lead to more injuries?

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TCM2007
23 July, 2018 18:02
I donít think the latest ones do, no.



Stuart

Former ed.

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hasta
23 July, 2018 20:29
Artificial or hybrid I think it says. Hybrid isn't the same as the Sarries/Newcastle/Glasgow etc. Pitches

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shipwrecked
24 July, 2018 00:28
Lets hope it's hybrid! If you get a chance feel and smell an artificial pitch in this weather. Bruce is going to have one hell of a water bill if he goes the artificial route.



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FourSticks
24 July, 2018 14:17
Twickenham's pitch is hybrid.

Hybrid pitch

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
24 July, 2018 18:51
A desso type pitch for me, some grass interwoven with some plastic as I understand it. Gives excellent fast draining fast playing surface without the unusual bounce and damage to joints of a full plastic pitch.



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
25 July, 2018 07:27
The proposed 600-800 space car park under the pitch (also available outside match days) couldnít conflict much more with the Councils air quality action plan and proposed Clean air zone plans if it tried. Crazy idea IMO when one of the whole selling points for the rec is itís central location with sustainable transport options. Iím sure itís a nice money spinner though...

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BathSalmon
25 July, 2018 07:54
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BathMatt53
The proposed 600-800 space car park under the pitch (also available outside match days) couldnít conflict much more with the Councils air quality action plan and proposed Clean air zone plans if it tried. Crazy idea IMO when one of the whole selling points for the rec is itís central location with sustainable transport options. Iím sure itís a nice money spinner though...

On the flip side the proposal of bringing the coach drop off point to the Pavillion, will remove the need for coaches to travel through the centre and reduce congestion.

I love the plans I've seen so far. Hope they are granted full permission to see this come to fruition.

Salmon



Adopted Player 18-19: Anthony Perenise
Adopted Player 17-18 & 16-17: Dave Attwood
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CoochieCoo
25 July, 2018 08:04
The concept is on this link [stadiumforbath.com]

Exhibition opens today at the Ricoh Suite, South Stand 12.00



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DanWiley
DanWiley
25 July, 2018 08:11
Anyone else a little underwhelmed?

As a stadium it would make a nice school or possibly shopping centre.

I'm hoping its the stuff-we-put-out-before-we-put-the-actual-thing-out-so-the-actual-thing-looks-much-better.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
25 July, 2018 08:26
Yes, all the drawings are 'conceptual' so I think you are right its just presenting generic stuff (I hope). Seems to not really push on from the earlier Turley ideas document IMO.

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Rawce
25 July, 2018 08:53
Plenty of NIMBY bait in those plans though, should be fun!

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CoochieCoo
25 July, 2018 09:42
I like it especially the riverside concept linking parade gardens with the Rec and getting rid of the radial gate which is a monstrosity. The steps down to the river is very attractive. Great if they can demolish the Pavillion which is not exactly a wonderful building. Pity they can't demolish the Sports Centre as well.

The concept I am sure is in keeping with the World Heritage policy and no doubt the Club is constantly in touch with the planners to see what is acceptable or not.

The car park I am not sure about but it maybe something the Council suggested to help with traffic in the City Centre especially if Terrace walk is going to be a Plaza. Thumbs up from me.



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
25 July, 2018 09:52
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CoochieCoo
The car park I am not sure about but it maybe something the Council suggested to help with traffic in the City Centre especially if Terrace walk is going to be a Plaza. Thumbs up from me.

I would be astounded if it was a Council suggestion - they are straining every sinew to keep vehicles out of the centre. The document uses the (flawed IMO) argument that was used in the planning appeal for the Morrisons on the London Road - that cars are already traveling there and this stops them driving around when they arrive.

(Rather than generating traffic it would stop the 800 cars from driving into Bath along the London road, all the way up to the odd down park and ride and then getting a bus back down to town)

Of course Pulteney Street and the rec itself isn't currently an AQMA (it currently ends by the Holburne) but I could see this car park leading to an expansion of it. If it was just match days then the annual average objectively wouldn't be impacted, but otherwise its just another car park in the centre encouraging people to drive there.

Of the three pitches, hybrid is definitely my preference from a rugby perspective. Interested to see what the players think.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

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shipwrecked
25 July, 2018 10:13
Whayever the environmental and clean air issues of the car park it is a money stream away from match days couple that with the riverside plaza this could be the only way that any sort of profitability for the club is achievable. I'd like to see an innovative IT advance as well, turf embedded cameras on the try line or arial drone TV coverage or something similar but that might be greedy.
All the same it is healthy to see Bath inhabitants and supporters being informed of plans. Exciting times ahead.



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CoochieCoo
25 July, 2018 10:23
I am only reading between the lines BathMatt53 because of this statement

"Providing a new car park at the Rec would help the Local Authority to achieve its ambitions of reducing traffic and congestion and improve air quality in the city centre. This could be achieved by aligning the provision of car parking with the routes in and out of the city, thereby reducing the impact of traffic crossing the historic core of the city. Access to the new car park would likely be via North Parade only."

Knowing that the club does contact the various stakeholders constantly including Council and planners this statement sounds like a contribution from them!



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Rawce
25 July, 2018 10:51
Still no announcement that the bridge will be named after me though. I've got quite a busy calendar planned for 2020, so they need to hurry up and book me in for the naming ceremony.

I'm assuming that revenue from shops and car park would go directly to the trust and not Bath Rugby?

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
25 July, 2018 10:53
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CoochieCoo
I am only reading between the lines BathMatt53 because of this statement
"Providing a new car park at the Rec would help the Local Authority to achieve its ambitions of reducing traffic and congestion and improve air quality in the city centre. This could be achieved by aligning the provision of car parking with the routes in and out of the city, thereby reducing the impact of traffic crossing the historic core of the city. Access to the new car park would likely be via North Parade only."

Knowing that the club does contact the various stakeholders constantly including Council and planners this statement sounds like a contribution from them!

Yes, exactly CC - I couldn't find the Morrisons (Safeway at the time) application quickly but the approach is almost identical to the argument put forward at that time.

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hasta
25 July, 2018 11:18
I really like it, particularly the terraces spilling down to the river. I think the point is that if it looked like a 'stadium' as far as any recent build go it would really look out of place in the city centre. That long promenade/facade for shops/restaurants integrated into it would be much more likely to pass all the many musters it'll have to.

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Rawce
25 July, 2018 11:43
I'm surprised it extends into the Rec so much, but I guess it has to what with the riverfront which looks the best bit about the proposal. The stadium itself is fine, the riverfront is understandably the focal point. I prefer those options which incorporate arches to be honest. As mentioned many times before (and recently above), future growth potential should be inherent within the design, but I can't see it without raising the heights of the West, South and East stands if the North is a no go to link with Johnstone Street.

Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
25 July, 2018 12:17
[www.somersetlive.co.uk] Some favourable comments, the usual ill-informed, but no 'Warty' or Sparrow, yet!

SteveCh
SteveCh
25 July, 2018 18:08
Putting an 800 space cp under the pitch would mean digging a hole over 4m deep, not to mention the column bases to support the roof beam. Very expensive and will guarantee that we can't play at the Rec for all of the construction period - probably 3 whole seasons, if not 4.

I think it's an 'aunt sally' that can be dropped to get more crucial elements past the planning finishing line.

Not convinced by the bridge from Parade Gardens. Think that will fall out of the scheme as well.

The radial gate is an eye sore but could have been made into a fantastic viewing platform. I'd replace the gate and fit turbines to generate power under a platform over the river giving level access to the old Mill island, which would also widen the path next to the current club house.

A colonnaded front with good, classic type, detailing would be my preference. Not saying Neo Georgian but use what they understood to make things look good to the eye to make it fit in.

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CoochieCoo
25 July, 2018 21:25
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SteveCh
Putting an 800 space cp under the pitch would mean digging a hole over 4m deep, not to mention the column bases to support the roof beam. Very expensive and will guarantee that we can't play at the Rec for all of the construction period - probably 3 whole seasons, if not 4.
I think it's an 'aunt sally' that can be dropped to get more crucial elements past the planning finishing line.

Not convinced by the bridge from Parade Gardens. Think that will fall out of the scheme as well.

The radial gate is an eye sore but could have been made into a fantastic viewing platform. I'd replace the gate and fit turbines to generate power under a platform over the river giving level access to the old Mill island, which would also widen the path next to the current club house.

A colonnaded front with good, classic type, detailing would be my preference. Not saying Neo Georgian but use what they understood to make things look good to the eye to make it fit in.

Interesting points are you going to the exhibition? Would be interesting to hear feedback on these questions from the staff who are there to answer such queries.



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SteveCh
SteveCh
26 July, 2018 09:07
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CoochieCoo
Interesting points are you going to the exhibition? Would be interesting to hear feedback on these questions from the staff who are there to answer such queries.

Not sure if I can get there.

As a (retired) surveyor, you get quite use to spotting the sacrificial elements in an application. Always good to be seen to give ground and compromise - makes the Planning Team feel good they have 'shaped' the outcome.

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CoochieCoo
26 July, 2018 12:25
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SteveCh
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CoochieCoo
Interesting points are you going to the exhibition? Would be interesting to hear feedback on these questions from the staff who are there to answer such queries.

Not sure if I can get there.

As a (retired) surveyor, you get quite use to spotting the sacrificial elements in an application. Always good to be seen to give ground and compromise - makes the Planning Team feel good they have 'shaped' the outcome.

Here is the link to the feedback form [stadiumforbath.com] hopefully they will take your observations on board.

Please would anyone else who has seen the concept on line or at the Rec, please complete the forms. I understand there were a few grumbles on the first day so we need to support the project where we can. Thanks.



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Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
26 July, 2018 15:11
[www.somersetlive.co.uk] ..and so the complaints saga continues. Deja Vu all over again!

[www.somersetlive.co.uk] some positives

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
26 July, 2018 15:31
I would agree with a few of those points to be fair:

- I think that it could look better* (its neither anonymous enough to fit in or extreme enough to be a notable architectural feature;
- the car park is a horrible idea in terms of sustainability, congestion and air quality no matter how they try and spin it. It also seems strange to me that a commercial venture can get some prime land in the centre of bath and use it as a 365 day a year commercial car park? Any chance they will let me build a house on the grass in front of the Royal Crescent - I could use a little town bolt-hole and could Air BnB it when I'm away.

*assuming that it looks something like the finished article.

As someone who regularly attends these exhibitions (as my day job) it will be interesting to go as a member of the public for a change!

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Rawce
27 July, 2018 08:34
SteveCh, I got the impression that the pitch level would be raised to accommodate the car park, so the whole thing should be contained within the 3.8m quoted and only foundations dug under the existing pitch height? Construction noted as up to 2 years in the Chronicle.

BM53, I think if the car park goes ahead, it'll be a charitable not commercial venture - will Bath Rugby get the spoils at a likely cheap rent? Maybe Bath Rugby could be reimbursed to pay for the stadium though via the car park and shop rent.

sid the seagull
sid the seagull
29 July, 2018 17:05
One of the main obstacles to any stadium here will be impact on status of World Heritage Site. In this, views across the site to the surrounding hills is key.
Moving it away from the river helps with sight lines. Raising the whole thing up 3.8m on a questionable car park definitely WILL NOT!

SQUAWK

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
29 July, 2018 19:48
I don't doubt that there is a hot line to Vienna to ensure that what Bath Rugby/ Arena for Bath are proposing is fine by them.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
29 July, 2018 20:47
Went to the stadium exhibition on Saturday whilst at the 7s tournament - it didnít change my views that the general layout is fine apart from the car park, but that the river frontage design is just...meh. I think that I could have drawn them up in truth and I got a D in art. Itís not really fitting in or really standing out IMO, would be a missed opportunity.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

TerraceFan
TerraceFan
29 July, 2018 20:59
Is that it - Really??. All the talk of vision, the plans to take Bath Rugby forward; the battles fought and won to allow expansion on the Rec- and all for what - 3,500 extra seats and a short stay car park!! Is that where the club owners see themselves and the club in the future? -

This is the heartland of Rugby in the West, the home of the first European champions from Britain, and our ambition needs a magnifying glass to see it. As a season ticket holder for many years, I am saddened by the abject poverty of the scheme proposed; what should have been a platform for Premiership and European competition at the very highest level is revealed as just a sad small property development scheme.

I think the proposers of the scheme have some questions to answer: In no particular order
> 1. When did the Avon last flood the Rec, and what flood prevention measures have been installed since then?
>2. If the pitch level was not raised 3.8m, how many extra seats could be provided within the same footprint and height restriction? (i.e. could we have a bigger capacity stadium?).
>3. If the pitch was not raised 3.8m, could a cover have been provided for the North Terrace?
>4. How reliable are car park revenue projections if the Council introduces a Clean Air Zone in Bath?.
>5. What is actually stopping the club introducing any of the much trumpeted "community benefits" now? (or can leaving the Rec unchanged help deliver these?).
>6. Is the financial model based on premium pricing of limited available capacity, or do the club not anticipate being able to sell the extra 3,500 seats?
>7. If the cub do anticipate selling out; how much latent demand is assessed; i.e. that which might buy tickets if space was available?
>8. Is this really the home for the progressive, ambitious 21st Century rugby union club that is Bath Rugby - Sorry I already know the answer to the last one - and its a fairly clear NO.

DanWiley
DanWiley
30 July, 2018 09:40
I agree MB.

What were you hoping for TM? Capacity wise 18k seems about right for us, the City of Bath and for rugby. How big were you hoping for?

What else were hoping for? If it's an interesting bit of architecture and public amenity then I'd agree. All covered would be nice, but I don't really resent an open air bit. If it bothers me then I'll get a covered seat. Sure that will cost more, but then our uncovered seats/standing will providing a lower price point for others.

Broadly speaking the car park sounds like a bad idea, but I don't really care. My suspicion is that it would flood, a lot. But I don't think removing it would up the capacity much, you need the horizontal space as well and I suspect that's maxed out.

sid the seagull
sid the seagull
30 July, 2018 19:24
BSJ. Visuals so far are conceptual so no actual heights of stands are defined. In the absence of facts then WH wonít and cannot give any opinion. However if structures may be several metres higher than they need to be then it is more likely that their judgement will eventually be less favourable.


HOP

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shipwrecked
04 August, 2018 20:42
Its interesting to see how the development is viewed from outside Bath. This is on the BBC site currently. Stadium Development

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/315E/production/_102683621_mediaitem102683620.jpg

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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
04 August, 2018 21:20
Bath Rugby chief executive Tarquin McDonald said: "There's got to be opportunities for the city - riverside regeneration, sporting participation, A MASSIVE CAR PARK to generate lots of cash, community opportunities and that is what has really driven this. Oh, did I mention the car park cash?í



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Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
17 August, 2018 12:48
[www.somersetlive.co.uk] Sparrow Chirps Up

[www.somersetlive.co.uk] Carne Carries On

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
17 August, 2018 13:13
Quote:
Mike the Taxi
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/letter-stadium-bath-concept-looks-1908378 Sparrow Chirps Up
[www.somersetlive.co.uk] Carne Carries On

Holy hyperbole batman!



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CoochieCoo
17 August, 2018 18:06
Quote:
Mike the Taxi
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/letter-stadium-bath-concept-looks-1908378 Sparrow Chirps Up
[www.somersetlive.co.uk] Carne Carries On

That 1936 image shows the sports centre and car park, built in 1975! The v shaped weir was completed in the 1970s from the old weir going back to 1660. The photograph is not 1936 as the Sports Centre was built on open space!

The man is a liar!



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CoochieCoo
17 August, 2018 18:34
Looking at that picture east of Pulteney Road is a building looking like an H on its side! That is the block of flats called Glencairn Court built by Beazers in 1967.

1936 my a...........!



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CoochieCoo
14 October, 2018 17:35
This thread is now on our links page.



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22Dropout
22Dropout
16 October, 2018 08:10
It was, but seems to have gone now? Tarquin touched on it at the supporters forum last night. Confirmed that the next public consultation will be in Nov/Dec, and urged everyone to respond. The formal planning application has been delayed a bit - now expected to be going in in Q1 next year with that delay ďto ensure we get it rightĒ. Also confirmed the application will have a permanent East stand, with hospitality boxes on top and meeting rooms etc underneath, which will allow them to eg. expand the current Rugby Foundation work with youngsters to over 200/ year. Iím sure others will have other points to add.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
16 October, 2018 08:27
Is the car park in the application?



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CoochieCoo
16 October, 2018 08:40
Quote:
22Dropout
It was, but seems to have gone now?

Still there. In the mobile version go to Site Navigation/Links List and it is the fourth item down!

Desk top version. Links list on the left.



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22Dropout
22Dropout
17 October, 2018 15:05
Thanks Cooch. I hadnít spotted that and assumed a sticky was the same as a link - duh!

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CoochieCoo
16 November, 2018 12:08
Dates for new designs announced [stadiumforbath.com]



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Rawce
21 November, 2018 11:47
Target completion is for the start of the 21/22 season - [www.somersetlive.co.uk]

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
21 November, 2018 12:36
Throw in a planning appeal when it gets turned down because of the car park next to the CAZ and it will be 23/24 then...



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hasta
21 November, 2018 14:02
I think it's highly unlikely, given the professional way they've gone about this recently, that they'll be proposing anything that hasn't already been implicitly nodded through by planning...

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
21 November, 2018 14:41
As someone who works in the field of planning I can guarantee that nothing can be guaranteed!



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B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
21 November, 2018 15:07
Quote:
BathMatt53
Throw in a planning appeal when it gets turned down because of the car park next to the CAZ and it will be 23/24 then...

Not sure what this means?

sid the seagull
sid the seagull
21 November, 2018 15:11
As someone who has a human alter-ego working in the fields of Architecture and Planning, one has observed all the ducks very much being put in a row over a prolonged period. I take the same view as Hasta.

FLAP

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
21 November, 2018 15:15
Quote:
B4thB4ck
Quote:
BathMatt53
Throw in a planning appeal when it gets turned down because of the car park next to the CAZ and it will be 23/24 then...

Not sure what this means?

The Bath Clean Air Zone. [www.bathnes.gov.uk]

The Council want to (need to, actually) discourage people from driving into the centre of Bath unless they have the cleanest cars. An argument could be made (and I suspect that it will be made by opponents) that having a car park under the ground will discourage people from finding other means - after all one argument made for the ground is that there are good sustainable transport methods (train, walk, P&R etc.).

I have seen the most professional of high profile applications 'called in' for less, and something of this size in a World Heritage Site is certainly high profile.

Fingers crossed that Hasta is correct.



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CoochieCoo
21 November, 2018 15:44
I agree with Hasta, I am pretty sure the car park idea has come direct from the Council!



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Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
21 November, 2018 16:31
The CAZ is only stopping old cars, diesel cars......all others are exempt

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
21 November, 2018 16:45
Quote:
Bath Supporter Jack
The CAZ is only stopping old cars, diesel cars......all others are exempt

Its not stopping any cars, just making them pay to go in. All ICEs emit NOx and PM10. Behind the CAZ is the case that the Government have been fighting against Europe and Client Earth. This in aimed at being a car use disincentive and encouraging cleaner more sustainable travel (particularly to urban centres and within AQMAs). Having another car park in the centre of town is contrary to this. The planners will have to weigh this adverse impact against the benefits of the scheme - visual impact being one (as it can't look worse than the existing ground). The question is whether it is an overriding impact and Bath Rugby (and their agents) obviously don't think that it is.

Hopefully they are up to speed with Gladman Developments Ltd v SSCLG & CPRE (Kent) [2017] EWHC 2768 (Admin.) and they are detailing their mitigation measures rather than simply providing a financial contribution towards woolly 'air quality improvements' once they have calculated their air quality damage costs...



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B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
22 November, 2018 00:30
'Hopefully they are up to speed with Gladman Developments Ltd v SSCLG & CPRE (Kent) [2017] EWHC 2768 (Admin.)'

I think I remember that match, it was a cup semi that went into extra time, right?

OBinFiji
OBinFiji
22 November, 2018 04:38
For B4thB4ck
(Sm44)
Nice one.

OBinfiji

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hasta
22 November, 2018 08:14
I take your point BathMatt, but something as big, potentially controversial and, on the surface for a rugby club, unnecessary as a car park can't just be a flight of fancy. Absolutely right that all the ducks need to be in a row, and they need to reference Clean Air and environmental concerns (particularly given the proximity to the river), but this feels definitely like something the council and planners have already been heavily consulted on.

cb2
cb2
22 November, 2018 08:25
We were meant to get this ready for hosting a game in the 2015 World Cup. It is not only on the field where we have not got anywhere near hitting our targets.

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shipwrecked
22 November, 2018 08:37
Quote:
BathMatt53
Quote:
Bath Supporter Jack
The CAZ is only stopping old cars, diesel cars......all others are exempt

Its not stopping any cars, just making them pay to go in. All ICEs emit NOx and PM10. Behind the CAZ is the case that the Government have been fighting against Europe and Client Earth. This in aimed at being a car use disincentive and encouraging cleaner more sustainable travel (particularly to urban centres and within AQMAs). Having another car park in the centre of town is contrary to this. The planners will have to weigh this adverse impact against the benefits of the scheme - visual impact being one (as it can't look worse than the existing ground). The question is whether it is an overriding impact and Bath Rugby (and their agents) obviously don't think that it is.

Hopefully they are up to speed with Gladman Developments Ltd v SSCLG & CPRE (Kent) [2017] EWHC 2768 (Admin.) and they are detailing their mitigation measures rather than simply providing a financial contribution towards woolly 'air quality improvements' once they have calculated their air quality damage costs...

Doesn't it depend a bit on a long term view, within the stadiums life cars will eventually go electric and/or driverless or emission free. A car park for electric cars in the town centre would be a huge asset then.



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CoochieCoo
22 November, 2018 08:43
Quote:
cb2
We were meant to get this ready for hosting a game in the 2015 World Cup. It is not only on the field where we have not got anywhere near hitting our targets.

Which has worked in the club's favour. In 2015 we would have been restricted to build on the current footprint. As a result of the appeal the RecTrust have carte blanche to allow the club more space and move the stadium!



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
22 November, 2018 08:55
Quote:
shipwrecked
Doesn't it depend a bit on a long term view, within the stadiums life cars will eventually go electric and/or driverless or emission free. A car park for electric cars in the town centre would be a huge asset then.

SW you should work for the Government! That has been their view for years (i.e. if we wait long enough it will all be fine) which is why they have repeatedly lost court cases on the issue and was the origin of the CAZ's in the first place. Continuing to poison people for the first few years in the knowledge that it will be an asset when everyone is driving a fully electric car isn't really acceptable practice...

I am very much in favour of the stadium thus far, just think that this one aspect is not a great idea (although no doubt commercially attractive).



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shipwrecked
22 November, 2018 09:15
Its not always up to the government though, look how London is controlling vehicles that don't meet emissions criteria. Have BANES got the guts to make such a decision?



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
22 November, 2018 09:40
Unfortunately it IS up to the Government as the UK signed up to The Directive 2008/50/EC and transposed them into UK Law. They were then strung up for it (several times).

[www.clientearth.org]

(I fear that we may have gone off topic a tad!).



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hasta
22 November, 2018 10:18
The government sets minimal standards, local government is free to have more robust ones (e.g. ULEZ in London)

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
22 November, 2018 10:37
The Government is bound by European AQ concentration limits (e.g. 40ug/M3 for annual average NO2) and it is up to local authorities which are currently breaching those limits to determine methods for reducing them (through their air quality action plan, or equivalent). Some are being proactive (such as London, Bristol), others are trying to do something now (such as Bath), the remaining ones are still flapping.



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B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
22 November, 2018 10:48
So we build a car park for carbon free vehicles only? All bays with charge points, close enough to the city centre to be an asset to Bath at all times. No hybrids. Might need some renewable energy added on or a small grid substation hopefully away from the river. That's a project on its own and makes the rugby ground sound like an add on.
[www.bbc.co.uk]

cb2
cb2
22 November, 2018 11:30
Or we carry on playing as badly as we are and we'll just have one guy and his bike turning up for the games. Bristol try a similar tactic every 3 or so years.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
22 November, 2018 11:32
Quote:
B4thB4ck
So we build a car park for carbon free vehicles only? All bays with charge points, close enough to the city centre to be an asset to Bath at all times. No hybrids. Might need some renewable energy added on or a small grid substation hopefully away from the river. That's a project on its own and makes the rugby ground sound like an add on.
[www.bbc.co.uk]

Great Scott...I think you have it - turn the sluice into a hydroelectric dam! Fish out the odd dead cow that floats down from Bathampton Meadows and serve it up as a £10 burger. Its a win-win!



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shipwrecked
22 November, 2018 12:20
Quote:
BathMatt53
Quote:
B4thB4ck
So we build a car park for carbon free vehicles only? All bays with charge points, close enough to the city centre to be an asset to Bath at all times. No hybrids. Might need some renewable energy added on or a small grid substation hopefully away from the river. That's a project on its own and makes the rugby ground sound like an add on.
[www.bbc.co.uk]

Great Scott...I think you have it - turn the sluice into a hydroelectric dam! Fish out the odd dead cow that floats down from Bathampton Meadows and serve it up as a £10 burger. Its a win-win!

Not sure if that is (Sm161) but it could be a goal, don't forget James Dyson is building electric cars in Singapore. It would be a perfect showcase for the city of the future! A win win for Bruce and James.



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
22 November, 2018 12:23
The sluice isnít used and is being taken out unfortunately SW. Besides, have you ever seen any of those cows, like blimps by the time they get down there sometimes, would certainly need a bottle of Gaviscon afterwards.



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shipwrecked
22 November, 2018 12:39
I'd have a little sit down if I were you Matt. I don't live in Bath but even if I did I probably wouldn't go dead cow spotting on the Avon. Lets hope we win at the weekend to get that image out of our minds.



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bardofavon
bardofavon
23 November, 2018 16:14
re the underground car park issue, might it not be that this is more for bath residents than for those coming to the match? there is a problem in central bath for residents who have nowhere to park. these are cars that are already in the town not coming in. by taking them off the streets an dputting them under the rec the council would be able to make more streets no parking, thus widening them for potential bus lanes.

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Rawce
23 November, 2018 18:56
I doubt that a council thatís had like a third of itís funding cut by the government under austerity will be giving up prime car parking space for anyone other than those paying £5 an hour.

Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
03 December, 2018 13:25
[www.somersetlive.co.uk] Legality of Covenants sought

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Rawce
04 December, 2018 17:55

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shipwrecked
04 December, 2018 18:20
Looks impressive, so the steps or terraces have gone from the original design going down to the river then.
What I really like though is that it doesn't look like a stadium and the sight lines to the pitch are brill.

Is this an option or a replacement?



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Rawce
04 December, 2018 18:48
Refinement of one of the previous options I think. Likely to be close to the actual submission.

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joethefanatic
04 December, 2018 19:08
I like it a lot but I had not realised that the stadium would not wrap around at the Clubhouse end. Is that so people who like watching rugby standing in the rain can continue to do so? Full marks for inclusivity!

Joking aside, the only issue I can see is access. You've got the Pulteney Bridge steps, the Sports Centre or from Pulteney Mews. None of these are exactly high capacity. The idea of a new wide foot bridge across the Avon from the Gardens directly to the new walkway in front of the West Stand seems more and more attractive.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
04 December, 2018 19:37
The footbridge would work fine but IMO there was no chance that they would obscure one of the most iconic views (i.e. of Pulteney Bridge across the weir) in the country. Quite like the idea of that slope coming down from North Parade though.

Looks like the car park is still there...



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DanWiley
DanWiley
04 December, 2018 20:13
As a world class arena for watching rugby it still looks like a great shopping centre to me I'm afraid.

I want it to be better, I hope the implementation will look better, but what I'm seeing just isn't.

Beergoggles
Beergoggles
04 December, 2018 20:17
Looks like a state of the art stadium ... except for the terrace which looks like the club plan to reuse the old open air scaffolding from the 80s. Can we all have a roof please Bruce, even those of us who prefer to stand.

gaz59
gaz59
04 December, 2018 20:19
Ealing Trailblazers or whatever they are called will love it when they travel across to play us

opti
Optimist
04 December, 2018 20:43
I absolutely love that, but 1/ i'm a sucker for new buildings made to look idealistically wonderful in the CGIs, and 2/ I can understand why a lot of people would object to a building of that bulk.

But - the balcony giving great views back across the river and the city is fabulous (a little bit derived from the Real Friends' 'skywalk' concept?). The riverside area could be really wonderful, and - caveat reality - but it does look as though they've managed to contain the height reasonably well, and softened the impact of the bulk with cavities here and there and glass. If they use really, really good quality stone and some more high-tech materials without those disappearing as the budget rockets skywards, then it could be a very fine building.

With a really state-of-the-art all weather surface, then we can look forward to all sorts of rugby and other sports and other entertainments.

There's still a decent full-size rugby pitch worth of space on the east side, plus all of the tennis/bowls areas.

Not quite sure how it inter-links with Johnstone Street? Is there an access point there?
All in all - it's going to be the best arena in the Premiership, let alone the Championship!

Ok - embargo of criticism of Bruce until this thing is built. We really can't afford for him to get cold feet after the 20 years it's taken to get to this stage.

Boldangrey
Boldangrey
04 December, 2018 20:45
Currently I understand it can take an hour to get out of the Cricket Club car park.

Will people us the under pitch car park if it takes so long?

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
04 December, 2018 20:47
it should make quite a bit of cash with all those corporate facilities (and car park). If the CVC investment pays for it then Bruce would start to see some of his money back...



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opti
Optimist
04 December, 2018 20:48
Quote:
Boldangrey
Currently I understand it can take an hour to get out of the Cricket Club car park.
Will people us the under pitch car park if it takes so long?

Hopefully not. Down with cars!

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hasta
04 December, 2018 20:58
More updates from the Chron at 10pm apparently...

sid the seagull
sid the seagull
04 December, 2018 21:18
Going to exhibition tomorrow but first impression good.
I am not generally easy to please.

FLAPFLAP

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