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Teams Up! Build on the Buzz: Wasps v Bath
Discussion started by Comeonmylovers.co.uk (IP Logged), 30 October, 2019 08:18
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/11/2019 11:09 by P G Tips.

opti
Optimist
30 October, 2019 09:46
I like the idea of rewarding Chris Cook with a start - but he has been delivering one-off performances like that and promising to break through for about 26 years now.

I see Ant Watson is hinting at Wasps that they should let Marcus fly out to Japan, like Curry. Top work Ant - a win-win situation for Bath!

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shipwrecked
30 October, 2019 09:57
I like Marcus Watson and that's a great idea regarding brotherly unity but they are not twins so its not really the same.



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opti
Optimist
31 October, 2019 15:06
Marcus on his way to Japan as we speak! Excellent news all round.

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joethefanatic
31 October, 2019 22:29
"Caught by the Fuzz
While I was still on the buzz"

smiling smiley



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

gaz59
gaz59
01 November, 2019 08:55
Well this must be one of those top 5 away win targets. Just wish Jimmy Gopperth had another week off recovery, his game management nous could make a big difference to their performance and with Rowlands back that will add to their grunt up front which will help them given the weather forecast

Apprehensive but hopeful so long as we don't regress to the Ashton Gate performance

P G Tips
P G Tips
01 November, 2019 12:09
Team up-6 changes.

BATH RUGBY TEAM TO FACE WASPS

15. Freddie Burns

14. Semesa Rokoduguni

13. Max Wright

12. Jamie Roberts

11. Aled Brew

10. Rhys Priestland

9. Chris Cook

1. Lewis Boyce

2. Jack Walker

3. Will Stuart

4. Elliott Stooke

5. Charlie Ewels

6. Mike Williams

7. Josh Bayliss

8. Zach Mercer

Replacements

16. Tom Dunn

17. Beno Obano

18. Henry Thomas

19. Josh McNally

20. Tom Ellis

21. Ollie Fox

22. Alex Davies

23. Gabriel Hamer-Webb



P G Tips


Josh Bayliss: my adopted Player, 2019-20.

bardofavon
bardofavon
01 November, 2019 12:13
not a bad side from us given the absentee list. i hope we dont have to sub any backs- the bench options look weak to non-existent.

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
01 November, 2019 12:14
Interesting that we've made that many changes but I can see an argument for all of them.

Pleasing to see the strength in depth in the forwards, with the subs bench groaning with power. Great to see Thomas back. The backs are a bit cobbled together, but with Cook, Priestland and Burns on the field, I'd suggest we kick the leather off it and try and grind out a valuable away win. Wasps have Gopperth back, mind, so won't be easy.

Add our World Cup stars, especially the backs, to that pack and we've got a very good looking XXIII. A win tomorrow would send us into a vital home game next week in fine fettle.

RossM
RossM
01 November, 2019 12:25
For your delectation:

15 Matteo Minozzi

14 Zach Kibirige

13 Malakai Fekitoa

12 Jimmy Gopperth

11 Paolo Odogwu

10 Lima Sopoaga

9 Dan Robson (c)

1 Zurabi Zhvania

2 Tommy Taylor

3 Kieran Brookes

4 James Gaskell

5 Will Rowlands

6 Brad Shields

7 Nizaam Carr

8 Sione Vailanu

Replacements 16 Tom Cruse, 17 Ben Harris, 18 Jeff Toomaga-Allen, 19 Thibaud Flament, 20 Ash Johnson, 21 Sam Wolstenholme, 22 Billy Searle, 23 Michael Le Bourgeois

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
01 November, 2019 12:44
Given the limited numbers of backs, its not great timing for Levi Davis to be away with the X-Factor, he would be getting some valuable game time otherwise - potentially his only opportunities this year with the cavalry on their way back soon.

Good to see Henry Thomas back. Is Batty injured or just 3rd choice?

COYB!



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dcsh
dcsh
01 November, 2019 14:42
That is quite a front row that we can bring off the bench, in fact all 5 forward replacements can make an impact. Slightly less confidence in the replacement backs, hopefully that wonít be called on early.

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OutsideBath
01 November, 2019 15:10
Quote:
BathMatt53
Given the limited numbers of backs, its not great timing for Levi Davis to be away with the X-Factor, he would be getting some valuable game time otherwise - potentially his only opportunities this year with the cavalry on their way back soon?
COYB!

Levi Davis needs to decide whether he wants to be a rugby player or not.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
01 November, 2019 15:43
Have Wasps players got the most exotic names in the Premiership?

opti
Optimist
01 November, 2019 15:54
Hefty looking pack, with hefty bench - much as it was against Bris and Exe. On a relatively dry day, we got given the run around, and on a windy, rainy day we slugged our way to an impressive win. But tomorrow, we have two playmakers - it's worked before, and it's gone wrong before - I suppose because Burns is comfortable in the second playmaking role, but not necessarily in the full-back role. Will that mean we play a bit of rugby. I hope so. Much as the Exe game was uplifting, it would be nice to get that ball into Roko and Brew's hands a bit.

One player who deserves a bit of a mention is Jack Walker, who has started to look like the player we hoped he'd be.

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hemington
01 November, 2019 16:36
Quote:
OutsideBath
Quote:
BathMatt53
Given the limited numbers of backs, its not great timing for Levi Davis to be away with the X-Factor, he would be getting some valuable game time otherwise - potentially his only opportunities this year with the cavalry on their way back soon?
COYB!

Levi Davis needs to decide whether he wants to be a rugby player or not.
Any rugby player can be out of a job any week with a career ending injury. I think it's great to encourage them to have back-up careers or to be working towards an after rugby career. Or maybe he just wants a break from the awful coaching setup.

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OutsideBath
01 November, 2019 17:18
Quote:
hemington
Quote:
OutsideBath
Quote:
BathMatt53
Given the limited numbers of backs, its not great timing for Levi Davis to be away with the X-Factor, he would be getting some valuable game time otherwise - potentially his only opportunities this year with the cavalry on their way back soon?
COYB!

Levi Davis needs to decide whether he wants to be a rugby player or not.
Any rugby player can be out of a job any week with a career ending injury. I think it's great to encourage them to have back-up careers or to be working towards an after rugby career. Or maybe he just wants a break from the awful coaching setup.

Having a back up career is entirely sensible and the club should encourage this, but to go missing when we need him suggests he's not 100% committed to rugby.

However when you look at Bath's 9/10/12 it unlikely we need wingers anyway, total contrast to the excellent looking Wasps 9/10/12.

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CoochieCoo
01 November, 2019 19:29
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Asst Refs: JP Doyle & Paul Dix
TMO: Geoff Warren
Citing Officer: Paul Hull



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ChippenhamRoman
ChippenhamRoman
01 November, 2019 20:04
I see Wasps have let Marcus Watson head out to Japan to watch his brother play in the final.

Their loss is our gain.

J

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shipwrecked
02 November, 2019 12:00
Bet the siblings enjoyed that as a watch! Anthony had a great world cup though.



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22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 15:07
Good start from the BBW. 3-0, Rhys pen.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 15:10
Ollie Fix starting as quite a fe suffering from a bug, including Cookie.

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TCM2007
02 November, 2019 15:21
Is there no video streaming on the betting apps this year?



Stuart

Former ed.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 15:24
O-3 after 20 mins. Wasps hit post with a pen.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 15:25
Unibet are streaming it 👍👍

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 15:26
O-6 another Rhys pen.

opti
Optimist
02 November, 2019 15:29
Cheers Stu - that prompted me to log on to Bet365,. Only joined to be able to livestream games and now it appears they donít any more. Still, I discovered I had £20 credit which Iíd forgotten. Might have a flutter on next England coach.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 15:31
3-6 Wasps pen after 28 mins - Bayliss offside.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 15:34
6-6 Bayliss deliberate knock on - lucky to escape a yellow.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 15:39
6-9. 35 mins. Wasps offside. Rhys pen. Quite a scrappy game, but BBW competing well.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 15:42
Still 6-9. Bath offside. Missed pen by Wasps. Lots of pens conceded by both sides. Scrappy.

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abendanon-anon-anon
02 November, 2019 15:43
Listening on radio, seems Bath giving away lots of penalties (again)

Commentator advised 8 Bath penalties in first half



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/11/2019 15:50 by abendanon-anon-anon.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 15:46
HT. Wasps got pen in clock red time. Kicked into corner. Try. Converted. 13-9

The man on the Clapham omnibus
The man on the Clapham omnibus
02 November, 2019 16:06
What [which?] radio please?

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 16:07
Radio Bristol, or streaming on Unibet

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 16:12
Good start to Second half. Great break from Rocky. Try Bath - going upstairs. Try Y/N? Yes - Zach try. 13-16.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 16:16
Great drive from the pack again. Pen under the posts. Rhys again. 13-19.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 16:20
Wright off or HIA. 54 mins.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
02 November, 2019 16:21
Thanks for the updates 22DO, sounding positive so far. Is the weather as terrible as it is in Bath?



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Rawce
02 November, 2019 16:25
Quote:
Optimist
Cheers Stu - that prompted me to log on to Bet365,. Only joined to be able to livestream games and now it appears they donít any more. Still, I discovered I had £20 credit which Iíd forgotten. Might have a flutter on next England coach.
Yeah, a bit POíd with this as well. I might fire up a Unibet account instead.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 16:33
Wasps try after forward drive. Converted 20-19. Wright back on for Hamer-Webb after HIA. 15 to go.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 16:40
Aargh. Another Wasps try. Good break from Cruz, Robson takes offload. 27-19.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 16:44
Bath scrum pen. Rhys drills it into 5e corner. Common you Baaaarth.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 16:46
Turned over. Henry Thomas lasted about 5 mins before limping off with what looks like a serious injury.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 16:49
Yet another scrum pen to Bath. Pack have been excellent. Rhys kicks for posts. 3 points.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 16:49
27-22. Last play.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 16:51
83 mns. Bath still trying

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 16:53
20 phases. Ends in Wasps pen in kickable position, which would deny us the LBP. 😩😩Aargh. Donít deserve to come away with nothing.

22Dropout
22Dropout
02 November, 2019 16:54
30-22 final score. Off for a few beers to drown the double sorrow.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
02 November, 2019 16:56
Unfortunate ending.

Thatís 3 prem games and no backs tries despite seeming parity up front - the England boys canít come back fast enough IMO.



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abendanon-anon-anon
02 November, 2019 16:57
Last weekend - Bath & England win; this weekend both lose
Sickening to lose the LBP

ken_jnr
ken_jnr
02 November, 2019 16:58
I am about to leave the ground and I was happy to take the LBP. The onfield leadership to realise we have no attacking threat for 79 minutes was utterly pathetic. We have a pack to win a tight game and a plan to make sure it isnít tight.

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abendanon-anon-anon
02 November, 2019 16:59
Who's our attack coach again?

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
02 November, 2019 17:00
Quote:
22Dropout
30-22 final score. Off for a few beers to drown the double sorrow.

Thanks for the updates - not good, only need Lewis bumped off the track to make it a poor weekend unlike the last ! (Sm128)



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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
02 November, 2019 17:08
Quote:
ken_jnr
I am about to leave the ground and I was happy to take the LBP. The onfield leadership to realise we have no attacking threat for 79 minutes was utterly pathetic. We have a pack to win a tight game and a plan to make sure it isnít tight.

Donít worry itíll all be fixed in next weeks training (Sm100). Who have we got next week ? Oh dear (Sm136)



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Ali1969
Ali1969
02 November, 2019 17:26
Bad weekend England, then this result compounded by Tigers win - Bottom of Premiership.

Another example of lack of our composure - With a LBP in the bag we try and create the miracle play and end up giving away a penalty and coming away with nothing.

Niaive to say the least the difference between challengers and clubs fighting at the base of the league, at least come away with something!!!!

I hope the returning cavalry and Hats can change things. Wasps were there for the taking today, our lack of attack given our platform is a real concern..



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SlideKing53
Supermoto
02 November, 2019 17:50
When is it not "too soon" to panic?!

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
02 November, 2019 17:52
Quote:
Supermoto
When is it not "too soon" to panic?!

If we are in the bottom three at Xmas ?



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Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
02 November, 2019 17:57
It was okey to try to win the game but once the ball got into our half we should have not have continue playing. Thatís no points from two winnable games. Worrying, but not as much as for us West Ham fans!

opti
Optimist
02 November, 2019 17:59
Quote:
Ali1969
Another example of lack of our composure - With a LBP in the bag we try and create the miracle play and end up giving away a penalty and coming away with nothing.
Niaive to say the least..

I would be absolutely fíing fuming if a team I played for, coached or supported booted the ball off the pitch while in possession and within a score for the sake of 1 league point - especially when we actually had that point as well as the ball.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
02 November, 2019 18:18
Well Mr Hooper bottom of the table and still no attack to speak of. Who is this bloke Dempsey? What does he do apart from fill up the soap dispensers at the Spa?

Sorry guys, the pair have to go. Every respect for Hatley but he is going to have to shore up the forwards, sort out the defence and instigate an attack. No pressure there then. Or possibly he may stay in Japan on the saki.

What were we doing try to play from our own half when a losing bonus point was there for the taking. Very poor decision and woeful on field leadership. Not unusual for Bath and a continuing thread......

Ah well. Did people see what Irish nearly achieved at Saracens? They got closer than we have done in years.
10th is looking over ambitious.



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B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
02 November, 2019 18:30
Just when you think the day can't get any worse....

Barnoid
Barnoid
02 November, 2019 18:38
Quote:
Bathovalballer
Well Mr Hooper bottom of the table and still no attack to speak of. Who is this bloke Dempsey? What does he do apart from fill up the soap dispensers at the Spa?
Sorry guys, the pair have to go. Every respect for Hatley but he is going to have to shore up the forwards, sort out the defence and instigate an attack. No pressure there then. Or possibly he may stay in Japan on the saki.

What were we doing try to play from our own half when a losing bonus point was there for the taking. Very poor decision and woeful on field leadership. Not unusual for Bath and a continuing thread......

Ah well. Did people see what Irish nearly achieved at Saracens? They got closer than we have done in years.
10th is looking over ambitious.

Curious where you watched the game BoB?

ballsout
ballsout
02 November, 2019 18:39
I was there. Free tickets from a mate.

It was awful. Pointless listing how we gave away the bonus point in the last play by trying to run out of our try line. Or couldnít control the ball a few seconds before half time before penalty for holding on and try to Wasps right on HT.

Frankly a good thing weíre bottom. Hopefully the catalyst for a compete overhaul of this shambles of a club, on and off the field. Fed up with this nonsense.

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
02 November, 2019 18:48
Quote:
ballsout
I was there. Free tickets from a mate.
It was awful. Pointless listing how we gave away the bonus point in the last play by trying to run out of our try line. Or couldnít control the ball a few seconds before half time before penalty for holding on and try to Wasps right on HT.

Frankly a good thing weíre bottom. Hopefully the catalyst for a compete overhaul of this shambles of a club, on and off the field. Fed up with this nonsense.

If you had that power would you wait for the RWC players to return first and see what Hoops (or potentially a new HC) can do with them?

ballsout
ballsout
02 November, 2019 19:08
Quote:
B4thB4ck
Quote:
ballsout
I was there. Free tickets from a mate.
It was awful. Pointless listing how we gave away the bonus point in the last play by trying to run out of our try line. Or couldnít control the ball a few seconds before half time before penalty for holding on and try to Wasps right on HT.

Frankly a good thing weíre bottom. Hopefully the catalyst for a compete overhaul of this shambles of a club, on and off the field. Fed up with this nonsense.

If you had that power would you wait for the RWC players to return first and see what Hoops (or potentially a new HC) can do with them?

They havenít helped in years so Iím not sure what our out of their depth coaches can do. Genuinely donít care about results for the rest of the season, in fact finishing 11th or 12th will be better in the long run. The club canít go on like this.

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
02 November, 2019 19:12
Quote:
ballsout
Quote:
B4thB4ck
Quote:
ballsout
I was there. Free tickets from a mate.
It was awful. Pointless listing how we gave away the bonus point in the last play by trying to run out of our try line. Or couldnít control the ball a few seconds before half time before penalty for holding on and try to Wasps right on HT.

Frankly a good thing weíre bottom. Hopefully the catalyst for a compete overhaul of this shambles of a club, on and off the field. Fed up with this nonsense.

If you had that power would you wait for the RWC players to return first and see what Hoops (or potentially a new HC) can do with them?

They havenít helped in years so Iím not sure what our out of their depth coaches can do. Genuinely donít care about results for the rest of the season, in fact finishing 11th or 12th will be better in the long run. The club canít go on like this.

I understand but the question was about timing, when do you rip up the current plan. Too soon I would say.

ballsout
ballsout
02 November, 2019 19:14
Quote:
B4thB4ck
Quote:
ballsout
Quote:
B4thB4ck
Quote:
ballsout
I was there. Free tickets from a mate.
It was awful. Pointless listing how we gave away the bonus point in the last play by trying to run out of our try line. Or couldnít control the ball a few seconds before half time before penalty for holding on and try to Wasps right on HT.

Frankly a good thing weíre bottom. Hopefully the catalyst for a compete overhaul of this shambles of a club, on and off the field. Fed up with this nonsense.

If you had that power would you wait for the RWC players to return first and see what Hoops (or potentially a new HC) can do with them?

They havenít helped in years so Iím not sure what our out of their depth coaches can do. Genuinely donít care about results for the rest of the season, in fact finishing 11th or 12th will be better in the long run. The club canít go on like this.

I understand but the question was about timing, when do you rip up the current plan. Too soon I would say.

For appearances sake itís too soon to do it now. But itís going to be done eventually. Has to. For the sake of this club.

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shipwrecked
02 November, 2019 19:16
It is so so refreshing to hear new and different opinions on the game backed up by reasoned analysis with examples. as a treat give us an example BoB to prove you haven't cut and pasted it from last week.

I'll not repeat what I said last week in response to our resident moaner because it is part of forum rules not to repeat the same opinion week after week. Suffice it to say that coaches and players can't coach and be coached if they are 6000 miles away. Everyone needs to be in the same country at least.

If the club start scratching around for losing bonus points at the expense of the chance for a result I would be very disappointed. 80th minute is where defences are at their most tired no harm in going for it.



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Trawling
Trawling
02 November, 2019 19:21
I've got news for you Bo, this IS the overhaul. They've ditched plan A to give the job to Hooper, unless you know someone else with Dyson and Craig's money, they're not going anywhere. FFS stop asking for the umpteenth reboot. You can't invent a culture, you have to build it. We need the confidence to play some JC2 stick it up your jumper rugby and reintegrate the internationals, in the meantime, one-note rants on here are just tedious.

ballsout
ballsout
02 November, 2019 19:26
Quote:
Trawling
FFS stop asking for the umpteenth reboot. You can't invent a culture, you have to build it.

Funny, Bristol are managing ok. Theyíll leave us in the dust like Exeter have in a year or two, if they havenít already.

Talk to any ex player and theyíll tell you how much of an utter shambles the club is. And itís not bitterness, they left BECAUSE itís in such a sorry state. Nobody has a good word to say.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
02 November, 2019 19:29
I bet we beat the team we are up against next week!

ballsout
ballsout
02 November, 2019 19:32
Quote:
Bath Supporter Jack
I bet we beat the team we are up against next week!

Aw bless.

Trawling
Trawling
02 November, 2019 19:39
Well, Bristol are on their 4th? attempt to establish themselves in the Premiership. I didn't hear too many people lauding their previous efforts. They also spent a year playing much less demanding rugby in the Championship getting it right. Finally what do you mean by culture in their case? If it's about running ball from everywhere, I think you would have found lots of their own fans complaining of naivety last year and asking for a re-think: if you mean splashing big cash to get people in, that's ironically easier if you are under the cap in the first place; if you mean rebuilding your stadium, we know only too well the issues there and if you mean sticking a furry animal on the badge - good grief!

ballsout
ballsout
02 November, 2019 19:46
Quote:
Trawling
Well, Bristol are on their 4th? attempt to establish themselves in the Premiership. I didn't hear too many people lauding their previous efforts. They also spent a year playing much less demanding rugby in the Championship getting it right. Finally what do you mean by culture in their case? If it's about running ball from everywhere, I think you would have found lots of their own fans complaining of naivety last year and asking for a re-think: if you mean splashing big cash to get people in, that's ironically easier if you are under the cap in the first place; if you mean rebuilding your stadium, we know only too well the issues there and if you mean sticking a furry animal on the badge - good grief!

If you donít know what youíre talking about, donít post. Ask Attwood about Bristolís great club culture next time you see him.

And it doesnít matter what attempt theyíre on, point is since Lam, theyíre on the up. Their A side schooled ours last year on day 1 of the season and it set the tone.

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
02 November, 2019 19:47
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ballsout
Quote:
Trawling
FFS stop asking for the umpteenth reboot. You can't invent a culture, you have to build it.

Talk to any ex player and theyíll tell you how much of an utter shambles the club is. And itís not bitterness, they left BECAUSE itís in such a sorry state. Nobody has a good word to say.

With respect most people who have left any organisation will criticise it and most currently in one will say things are fine.

We have had some good players re-sign contracts. I am not saying all is good, personally I think if the results were better the culture / off pitch criticisms would go away and that comes down to us needing a new HC. Hoops can take off the track suit with no face lost.

Trawling
Trawling
02 November, 2019 20:03
OK it's official Ballsout owns rugby opinion and fact so everyone else can stop worrying. Tw$t!

And if last season is what you want to focus on, they ended up 9th and we were 6th.



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Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
02 November, 2019 20:09
If he takes the track suit off, what will he do? Put his pennyworth and tell a new coach what to do and who to select. No, he is and has been part of the no trophy aimless drifting club long enough and should know what is wrong and what needs correcting, if he knew how to fix it which, with his lack of coaching experience and being in a successful environment, is highly unlikely.

For example, how to stop crabbing across the field, eventually losing ground and either dropping the ball or knocking it on. Ball retention in contact. To get Bath players running onto the ball, not taking it standing still. These failings have been there for seasons now, so no excuse for not getting them fixed like other sides seem able to do. Also, all this after the longest preseason on record.

Sorry guys Mr H and the 'attack'? coach have to go and now or our Prem. status will be under even greater threat by Christmas. Without Prem. status we will probably kiss goodbye to our desperately needed new stadium as well.



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Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
Adopted player 2018/19 Adopted player 2018/19 Semesa 'The Rock' Rokoduguni

Trawling
Trawling
02 November, 2019 20:12
Wibble

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
02 November, 2019 20:21
BoB, you are intent on blaming Hooper who most agree is not a coach, I am proposing a head coach is appointed who can solve the faults you list. I prefer my constructive approach and no face is lost by the club, just a bigger dent in the owners bank balance.

Of course if the yardstick is beating Exeter then they might decide to give Hooper more time. If that is unpalatable then blame Exeter for losing to us, they must be rubbish.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
02 November, 2019 20:31
Mr H is only part of the problem. The main one is the man or persons who appointed him to that position for which he is hugely unqualified, especially without suitably qualified and experienced lieutenants to support him. It is palpably not entirely his fault.



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Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
Adopted player 2018/19 Adopted player 2018/19 Semesa 'The Rock' Rokoduguni

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
02 November, 2019 20:34
Quote:
Bathovalballer
Mr H is only part of the problem. The main one is the man or persons who appointed him to that position for which he is hugely unqualified, especially without suitably qualified and experienced lieutenants to support him. It is palpably not entirely his fault.

Of course. If only we had an international forwards coach lined up to help out after the RWC..............?

Trawling
Trawling
02 November, 2019 20:38
So as I understand it BoB and Bo's position is: any player who talks positively about anything to do with the club is some kind of stooge while players who have left have the gift of tongues. Is it just remotely possible that there may be some truth on both sides? Just saying. Oh and...wibble.

Long Term
Long Term
02 November, 2019 20:42
BOB have you answered the question where did you watch the game? BO how can you say you don't have an agenda when you have no posts following a win but make repetitious critical posts following a loss? Your posts may well have some validity but they are repetitious, overstated and offer no solutions other than replace everything. With what!? I think you need to accept as supporters we have no influence if we want to be thought of as fans rather than customers. Yes we are all disappointed and frustrated at the disappointing results but we have made changes and it is early days(the club can't change the owner and his decisions) . Why watch Bath if you can't enjoy the wins and get so frustrated with the losses!!?

ballsout
ballsout
02 November, 2019 20:53
What positives are there to say about a club regularly filled with big name players, thatís finished in the top 4 a grand total of 1 time in nine years?

There is a reason for this constant underperformance year after year and it isnít because weíre currently lacking a head coach in 2019/20.

Craig blunders by sticking his nose in. We lost Matson for that reason and he and Tarquin idiotically then appointed Hooper and Rock now. Thereís plenty more issues but thatís the top end problem.

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
02 November, 2019 21:04
There are some battles that cannot be won though. Better to influence and enlighten. Why would Hats come back if it was that bad?

Long Term
Long Term
02 November, 2019 22:00
Quote:
ballsout
What positives are there to say about a club regularly filled with big name players, thatís finished in the top 4 a grand total of 1 time in nine years?
There is a reason for this constant underperformance year after year and it isnít because weíre currently lacking a head coach in 2019/20.

Craig blunders by sticking his nose in. We lost Matson for that reason and he and Tarquin idiotically then appointed Hooper and Rock now. Thereís plenty more issues but thatís the top end problem.

This is the club we support, we have as supporters no real influence therefore I suggest all you can do as you are in such turmoil is to decide whether to support the club or not, ultimately that is all that is within your control. (To repeat we rely on Bruce financially to survive in the professional era like it or lump it!)

Ali1969
Ali1969
02 November, 2019 23:29
"I would be absolutely fíing fuming if a team I played for, coached or supported booted the ball off the pitch while in possession and within a score for the sake of 1 league point - especially when we actually had that point as well as the ball."

Opt I am sorry but that lost point might be the difference between Qualifying for Champions Cup, Playoffs or even relegation who knows but history has shown just how important bonus points are especially come the end of the season.

I am a pragmatist and yes if there was an even chance to win a game but when you are camped deep inside your own half really!!!

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shipwrecked
02 November, 2019 23:39
Ali, how many times have Bath lost in the last moments of a match failing to hang on. Works both ways surely?



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TomReagan
TomReagan
02 November, 2019 23:54
Wish Quins had that conservative mindset- just one example that comes to mind of a game we lost to a side last season that went through several phases to beat us in the last minute. I know the cynics/pragmatists will point out that we haven't scored a try from our own 22 since Chilcott, Dawe et al were playing but surely you have to believe it's possible and try?!

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
03 November, 2019 07:14
I have an excellent idea. Since BoB has such intricate knowledge of the game, knows exactly what needs to be done & has considerable networking skills so he can tap in to a vast pool of disgruntled ex players, why donít we crowd fund him to get his coaching badge, although he sounds as if he already has it, and then tell the club that we have the ideal candidate for the vacant head coach role & one whatís more one who who wonít take any sort of cr....p from Mr H. At a stroke all criticism would vanish. Navanna!

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
03 November, 2019 07:28
Getting back to the here & now. Our players are still falling down like nine pins with many of them long term or season ending. I know rugby is an attritional sport & injuries occur, particularly HIAís but with us it is continuous. Is it just as bad at other clubs? We now have about one centre left standing & you canít win matches with such depleted resources. Joseph will need resting no doubt & that is not enough. There has been no sign of any benefit from the presence of Dempsey but he never has the same players to work with. We surely need a couple of jokers to have any chance of progress.

opti
Optimist
03 November, 2019 07:37
Quote:
Bath Hammer
I have an excellent idea. Since BoB has such intricate...!

Cue hilarious post from BoB referencing Old Prostates, beer, spas, Spurrell, Cooch and Dawesy.

Ali1969
Ali1969
03 November, 2019 08:50
Shipwrecked I agree but it is the identification when the chance is in or not. You are quite right we have lost so many games at the death, often due to our error and not from the opposition creating, however we have all seen teams kick out the ball when they realise there is no chance of the miracle win and don't want to lose the LBP, this is down to leadership and on field decision making. Basically you know if things have been clicking but our confidence in these situations coupled with our backline would suggest leave with something.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
03 November, 2019 09:20
I agree with Ali. We need every point we can muster now, especially as the so called lesser teams have improved and regretfully we patently have not!

It might be boring but for those of us who witnessed our near demise until Elvis scored that try, and had to take on the pragmatism of the Connolly years, we did improve and started to win games regularly. Trouble is we have never consistently kicked on from there.



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Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
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P G Tips
P G Tips
03 November, 2019 09:46
Quote:
Bathovalballer
take on the pragmatism of the Connolly years,

Careful BOB! Connolly & his sidekick Foley got rid of Catt, Tindall, Balshaw, Lyle & Regan- many of whom came back to hurt us in the colours of their new clubs!

PG

ballsout
ballsout
03 November, 2019 10:07
I was hoping they'd kick it out and salvage the bonus point. You don't go from scoring 0 backs tries in 240 minutes of rugby to running one in from your own 22 in the last play of the game when defences are at their sharpest. It was painfully obvious we'd give away a penalty, but I was just hoping for a knock on.

What was more annoying more was our (typical and bizarrely longstanding) problem of not being able to hold on to or control the ball. We were in possession on half way with literally ten seconds to go till half-time, we should have slowed each carry down but no, lost the ball with time almost up. Scrum. Penalty to them. Kick to corner, try under the posts. Poor.

TomReagan
TomReagan
03 November, 2019 10:21
Agree with much of that BO, particularly the management of the last seconds of the first half. As to going for a try, you work a penalty and make 40 yards and there's a chance, even given our limited style of rugby. I just think that if the roles were reversed I'd love to see the opposition kick the ball out and concede the win, and you do what the opposition doesn't want you to do. It only needs to come off one time in three and you're in profit, but if I had been there I'd no doubt have been watching it with the fatalistic expectation that we'd mess up somehow!

Barnoid
Barnoid
03 November, 2019 10:35
Yes, yes, yes. Everything is awful. Bulldoze the Rec and put the coaching and management in stocks etc.

Still, credit where itís due to Ollie Fox who, at short notice, was promoted from the bench to make his Premiership debut, and ended up playing the full 80 mins up against Robson whoís an experienced and pretty classy operator at 9.

By no means perfect and things to work on but he didnít look out of his depth and will hopefully push Chudders and Cookie for more starts this season.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
03 November, 2019 12:42
Agree Barnoid. If anything good came out of another disappointing defeat to an underwhelming Wasps side, was young Fox's showing. Showed lots of guts and seems to possess a descent fast pass. Now all we have to do is get people running onto it!



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