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Discussion started by Comeonmylovers.co.uk (IP Logged), 12 November, 2019 11:50
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opti
Optimist
12 November, 2019 11:59
Are Watson and Joseph definitely not in the mix? Or is that just the assumption? Can't see that JJ was over-stretched at the RWC. And while Watson certainly worked hard he hasn't played that many games this year.

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shipwrecked
12 November, 2019 12:31
Underhill and Louw?.......my feeling is they will be rested both played in the final and Flo probably still has a hangover!



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
12 November, 2019 13:04
Agree - Underhill and Louw should get some proper rest, its not like we are desperate for back rowers at the moment.

JJ, RM and JC are all needed and didn't get much match time so if they are rested and not too jet lagged etc. I would definitely like to see them there with Levi still singing and Aled presumably banned for a bit.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]



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opti
Optimist
12 November, 2019 13:18
I know they will all be pretty knackered, but conversely, they should all be at an absolute peak of fitness. If we don't win this game, we can pretty much say goodbye - at the first hurdle - to Q-F qualification. I'd rather rest them against Quins.



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shipwrecked
12 November, 2019 14:04
Quote:
BathMatt53
Agree - Underhill and Louw should get some proper rest, its not like we are desperate for back rowers at the moment.
JJ, RM and JC are all needed and didn't get much match time so if they are rested and not too jet lagged etc. I would definitely like to see them there with Levi still singing and Aled presumably banned for a bit.

Just on Aled a bit, I hope he doesn't get put off by the card, I thought it a bit harsh but understandable, he does tend to fly up but I quite like his in your face aggression, it certainly flustered their back 3.



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Beno Obano Age 25 years, Loosehead prop, 5ft 8ins 18st 12lbs 'Mauls are like Transformers' they change form to become more powerful!



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Robbinho
12 November, 2019 14:08
The 'No Surrender' reference is very convoluted and in pretty poor taste.



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dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
12 November, 2019 14:18
AW's in Canada, with Genge and Sinkler, according to his Instagram. So can't see him taking part!

JJ is back in the mix at Farleigh, as is RMcc. Unsure about Underhill and JCok and I'd expect Flouw not to be out of the bar yet (and fair enough!).

This weekend, I'd put JJ, Ruaridh and Joe into the XV and, given the importance of the game, Sam in too, if he's back, fit and keen. Then Sam can have the week off when Flouw has sobered up.

It's a balancing act and different clubs are handling it in different ways, with Exe chucking their players back in last weekend and others (Sale, I see) giving them a few weeks off. Given it's at home, winnable and a very important European match, I'd like to see those present and fit picked.



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Clarkey3k
12 November, 2019 14:24
Bookies struggling to split the sides for this match, Bath 10/11, Ulster even money. I think we will win. I sense a fortress Rec mentality emerging and would expect to see our underused RWC backs in the 23 for Saturday. The game is being shown live on C4...



Adopted players: 2019/20 T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw

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bardofavon
bardofavon
12 November, 2019 14:29
surprosed to hear genge is still swanning around post rwc. he hardly played in japan plus it looks like tigers could do with his help.



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Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
12 November, 2019 14:30
Quote:
Clarkey3k
Bookies struggling to split the sides for this match, Bath 10/11, Ulster even money. I think we will win. I sense a fortress Rec mentality emerging and would expect to see our underused RWC backs in the 23 for Saturday. The game is being shown live on C4...


… followed by Barbarians v Fiji on BBC1 !



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
12 November, 2019 15:11
Quote:
Robbinho
The 'No Surrender' reference is very convoluted and in pretty poor taste.

Agree with that. A lot of pain has been associated with that phrase over the years.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]



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Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
12 November, 2019 16:13
Wonder if Mr Genge may be disillusioned with Leicester and may like to return to the West Country, especially his home town of Bristol. Can see him doing so in the fullness of time.



Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.

The Jink Joseph.

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Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
12 November, 2019 16:55
He might like it but I doubt they would take him back......



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joethefanatic
12 November, 2019 17:11
Quote:
Robbinho
The 'No Surrender' reference is very convoluted and in pretty poor taste.

Very much this sad smiley



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
12 November, 2019 17:36
Quote:
Bathovalballer
Wonder if Mr Genge may be disillusioned with Leicester and may like to return to the West Country, especially his home town of Bristol. Can see him doing so in the fullness of time.

It was reported that they recently failed to get him back.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]



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Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
12 November, 2019 17:58
Amazing!

After they got rid of him last time I guess Svengali Lam thinks he can manage him....



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B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
12 November, 2019 18:23
Quote:
joethefanatic
Quote:
Robbinho
The 'No Surrender' reference is very convoluted and in pretty poor taste.

Very much this sad smiley

Can we at least change the thread title please? I am no expert but I can see why this could be a problem. Thanks.



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ChippenhamRoman
ChippenhamRoman
12 November, 2019 20:21
Quote:
Robbinho
The 'No Surrender' reference is very convoluted and in pretty poor taste.

Why?



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ilovebathtime
ilovebathtime
12 November, 2019 21:15
Quote:
ChippenhamRoman
Quote:
Robbinho
The 'No Surrender' reference is very convoluted and in pretty poor taste.

Why?

Maybe watch the brilliant Brian O'Driscoll documentary shoulder to shoulder if you want to learn a bit more about the troubles and why it shouldn't be trivialised. The use of language used by either side in a sporting context is for me unnecesarily antagonistic.



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Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
12 November, 2019 21:17
Picture The Reverend Ian Paisley in full volume?

Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
12 November, 2019 21:18
Thank you.

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Clarkey3k
12 November, 2019 21:19
Quote:
BathMatt53
Quote:
Robbinho
The 'No Surrender' reference is very convoluted and in pretty poor taste.

Agree with that. A lot of pain has been associated with that phrase over the years.

Gentlemen, i think more pain has been caused by bombs and bullets rather than these two words. Each to their own views of course...



Adopted players: 2019/20 T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw

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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
13 November, 2019 05:17
I’m not sure they were mutually exclusive Clarkey.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

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CoochieCoo
13 November, 2019 08:07
Quote:
Clarkey3k
Quote:
BathMatt53
Quote:
Robbinho
The 'No Surrender' reference is very convoluted and in pretty poor taste.

Agree with that. A lot of pain has been associated with that phrase over the years.

Gentlemen, i think more pain has been caused by bombs and bullets rather than these two words. Each to their own views of course...

History is history and cannot be rewritten. We can learn from history and such valiant and sacrificial acts. We all want a fortress Rec and the lads to ensure no weakness in our resolve.



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Robbinho
13 November, 2019 08:12
It also has clear and obvious links to football hooliganism and the far right movement in England as well as being highly provocative and offensive in a long and deadly history of sectarian violence. I’m not sure that’s something Bath or Ulster fans would particularly want to be associated with.

Why do England fans sing No Surrender? [www.bbc.co.uk]

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CoochieCoo
13 November, 2019 08:33
I see no clear and obvious links to football hooliganism in PGT’s article. I think that is stretching the use of the words “no surrender” to find something offensive. The article is clear to me that we don’t want our lads to surrender at fortress rec which is the Hooper plan. Let’s face it we have done so in the past.



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ilovebathtime
ilovebathtime
13 November, 2019 08:40
Quote:
CoochieCoo
I see no clear and obvious links to football hooliganism in PGT’s article. I think that is stretching the use of the words “no surrender” to find something offensive. The article is clear to me that we don’t want our lads to surrender at fortress rec which is the Hooper plan. Let’s face it we have done so in the past.

I don't think those words would have been used if we were playing any other team in world rugby. The truth is those words do have meaning, specifically to people from the place we are playing on Saturday.

MESSAGES->author
Robbinho
13 November, 2019 10:38
Quote:
ilovebathtime
Quote:
CoochieCoo
I see no clear and obvious links to football hooliganism in PGT’s article. I think that is stretching the use of the words “no surrender” to find something offensive. The article is clear to me that we don’t want our lads to surrender at fortress rec which is the Hooper plan. Let’s face it we have done so in the past.

I don't think those words would have been used if we were playing any other team in world rugby. The truth is those words do have meaning, specifically to people from the place we are playing on Saturday.

This is exactly my point. I'm not trying to find something to be offended by, it just instantly struck me as being tone deaf at best.

MESSAGES->author
CoochieCoo
13 November, 2019 10:50
Referee: Marius Mitrea

Assistant Referees: Manuel Bottino, Mateto Liperini

TMO: Stefano Penne

Citing Commissioner: Beth Dickens



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gaz59
gaz59
13 November, 2019 11:36
Quote:
ilovebathtime
Quote:
ChippenhamRoman
Quote:
Robbinho
The 'No Surrender' reference is very convoluted and in pretty poor taste.

Why?

Maybe watch the brilliant Brian O'Driscoll documentary shoulder to shoulder if you want to learn a bit more about the troubles and why it shouldn't be trivialised. The use of language used by either side in a sporting context is for me unnecesarily antagonistic.

Have to say that was my immediate thought when I read the thread title

Thread titles have consistently had a humorous theme linked to the club we are playing and often I've found them witty and amusing but the connotations of this one quite simply cannot be funny in anyone's perception

I don't think anything offensive was ever intended but please change it



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P G Tips
P G Tips
13 November, 2019 12:07
Now changed.

No offence intended -apologies to those who took it.

To clarify:

No intentional reference to Football in any form -particularly not hooliganism.

I abhor far right & far left politics equally.

Let's get back to the rugby.

PG

gaz59
gaz59
13 November, 2019 12:12
Cheers PG, great review by the way

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
13 November, 2019 12:23
I can understand the concerns over using this phrase in connection with this particular match but what is the connection with the “far right”?

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
13 November, 2019 12:27
My hunch is that most RWC players once back into training would want to play in this. 1st round, home game, all to play for and following a home win in the domestic.

Probable exceptions Flo and Sam.

opti
Optimist
13 November, 2019 12:58
I know Sam U had a very full-on World Cup. But it is a full 2 weeks since his last game. That seems a pretty decent period of time to recover. I'd hope to see him on the bench at least. It's mid-November - and if it had been a normal season, he might have expected to play 8-10 games by now. Yes, internationals are harder, but then so are international players.

No criticism if he doesn't play - the player and the Club will know the exact state of readiness of each of the players. Just opining that if he (and others) does play, that also seems perfectly reasonable.

sirtidychris
sirtidychris
13 November, 2019 18:03
Given that Sam has been playing rugby solidly for 18months I would have thought they all need more than two weeks. Given how sam plays we should give him a 4-6 weeks

fat lock
fat lock
13 November, 2019 21:45
The intensity of a world cup campaign isn't just related to how many minutes they were on the pitch. The mental strain is also significant.
They might just have a life away from rugby - and I think they will benefit from some time away from the oval ball.

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
13 November, 2019 21:52
Brew has just been handed a 3-week suspension. So I hope that RMcc and JCok are ready to rumble.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
14 November, 2019 09:22
So do I Dr bath, so do I. Let's hope they get pass or two in space to help them attack the opposition.



Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.

The Jink Joseph.

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opti
Optimist
14 November, 2019 11:40
Quote:
sirtidychris
Given that Sam has been playing rugby solidly for 18months I would have thought they all need more than two weeks. Given how sam plays we should give him a 4-6 weeks

Again - i wouldn't presume to know what state his mind or body are in, and i'll assume that whatever the club goes with relates to that. But, he has played in 6 Test matches this year (spread across 24 Aug - 2 Nov, and (according to ESPN) has started 15 games for Bath in 3 seasons (including this one, so effectively, 2 seasons).

I'd have thought he'd be itching to capitalize on his fitness, especially for such a season-defining game.

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joethefanatic
14 November, 2019 17:30
I'd hope training has focused on correctly placing the ball down over the try line.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

ballsout
ballsout
15 November, 2019 10:56
Phew, the world is a safer place now that a message board thread title has been changed.

What's next to be outraged and offended by...?

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
15 November, 2019 11:05
Quote:
ballsout
Phew, the world is a safer place now that a message board thread title has been changed. What's next to be outraged and offended by...?

Run out of kittens to punch this morning?



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

MESSAGES->author
CoochieCoo
15 November, 2019 11:59
15. Freddie Burns

14. Semesa Rokoduguni

13. Jonathan Joseph

12. Jamie Roberts

11. Ruaridh McConnochie

10. Rhys Priestland

9. Will Chudley

1. Beno Obano

2. Tom Dunn

3. Will Stuart

4. Josh McNally

5. Charlie Ewels (c)

6. Mike Williams

7. Sam Underhill

8. Zach Mercer

Replacements

16. Jack Walker

17. Lewis Boyce

18. Christian Judge

19. Elliott Stooke

20. Josh Bayliss

21. Chris Cook

22. Max Wright

23. Gabe Hamer-Webb



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opti
Optimist
15 November, 2019 12:03
And Ulster:

(15-9) Will Addison, Rob Lyttle, Luke Marshall, Stuart McCloskey, Jacob Stockdale, Billy Burns, John Cooney.

(1-8) Jack McGrath, Rob Herring, Marty Moore, Iain Henderson (Capt.), Sam Carter, Matthew Rea, Jordi Murphy, Marcell Coetzee.

Replacements: Adam McBurney, Eric O'Sullivan, Tom O'Toole, Alan O'Connor, Sean Reidy, David Shanahan, Angus Curtis, Louis Ludik.

P G Tips
P G Tips
15 November, 2019 12:03
Good to see Ruaridh back & Roko fit: I feared that Roko's HIA would sideline him.

Good also to see Sam & JJ return.

PG

opti
Optimist
15 November, 2019 12:07
With JJ to help with playmaking duties, Ruaridh to help defuse the aerial threat and Underhill's carrying and knock-them-backwards tackling added in to the two gutsy home performances, that really does look a decently balanced rugby team!

ballsout
ballsout
15 November, 2019 12:10
That's a top quality team. No excuses for underperformance.

Let's start playing from minute 1 and not wake up half way through the game or when we get a red card.

opti
Optimist
15 November, 2019 12:19
If Ellis can't make the bench then we must have a seriously good back 5. I hope we don't end up with him feeling he'll get better opportunities elsewhere.

Purns
Purns
15 November, 2019 12:20
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

sirtidychris
sirtidychris
15 November, 2019 13:08
Ellis, Garvey, Faletau, Louw, some big names not in the backrow.

Great team allez !

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
15 November, 2019 14:38
Quote:
ballsout
What's next to be outraged and offended by...?

That depends on what part of the world you are from. Let's not offend if we can avoid it.

Some people get very upset over losing possession of a rugby ball....

fat lock
fat lock
15 November, 2019 18:04
Quote:
Optimist
If Ellis can't make the bench then we must have a seriously good back 5. I hope we don't end up with him feeling he'll get better opportunities elsewhere.
Might just be good squad management - he's played a few games, and he plays hard - time for a rest to protect him so he can be as fresh as possible during the 6N.
I worry for Mercer - Looks like Faletau will be fit for the 6N - so avoid having to play much for us. Where does Mercer's rest happen? Flouw at 8?



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Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
15 November, 2019 18:16
Surely Wales can't pick Faletau........he has not played for about a year!

Looks a good team I just pray to everyone's god that Sam doesn't come back and get injured in the first 10 minutes after all he has done on the World Stage......(Sm124)

Very excited(Sm46)

ChippenhamRoman
ChippenhamRoman
15 November, 2019 18:36
Quote:
Bath Supporter Jack
Surely Wales can't pick Faletau........he has not played for about a year!
Looks a good team I just pray to everyone's god that Sam doesn't come back and get injured in the first 10 minutes after all he has done on the World Stage......(Sm124)

Very excited(Sm46)

Re Faletau, they can and I’m imagining they will. He’s quality.

J

MESSAGES->author
Clarkey3k
15 November, 2019 18:58
Might our bench front row be a tad under-powered for this match or am I being over cautious? Mind you if the front row play like they did last week for the first 70mins it might not matter...



Adopted players: 2019/20 T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw

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Long Term
Long Term
15 November, 2019 19:19
Nice to see the thread reflecting my sense of positive anticipation whilst not being sure of the result rather than having to react to predictions of humiliation and evidence of the club and coaches being rotten to the core! (Sm151)

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
15 November, 2019 21:50
Quote:
Clarkey3k
Might our bench front row be a tad under-powered for this match or am I being over cautious? Mind you if the front row play like they did last week for the first 70mins it might not matter...

Boyce and Judge are under powered?! Judge is the strongest player in the gym by all accounts. He didn’t embarrass himself at Sarries either.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

opti
Optimist
16 November, 2019 13:53
Bright start and a rapid descent into ordinariness and basic errors by Chudley and RP in articulate. I feel like we have the beating of them though. JJ looking horribly rusty and a reluctance to use Ruaridh is a bit frustrating.

MESSAGES->author
shipwrecked
16 November, 2019 13:56
Bath outplaying Ulster. Still behind though thanks to a free try. Why do our half backs start so slowly, its like they have to give away points to motivate themselves.

JJ not himself, Roko looks well up for it, some great hits. Its there for the taking but can they take it?



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DaveOfTrow
GrumpyDave
16 November, 2019 14:04
Ulster have a 14 man defensive line, but one sweeper the whole time. There’s acres of space - we need to mix it up with a few decent kicks to corner IMO.

opti
Optimist
16 November, 2019 14:20
Roko is our only hope of a try

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shipwrecked
16 November, 2019 14:21
Fantastic tackle by Priestland then Burns, did he lead with a kick there though?



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shipwrecked
16 November, 2019 14:28
Burns out, hamstring?



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ken_jnr
ken_jnr
16 November, 2019 14:30
Our attack seems non-existent again. We are going through the motions with no intent and we have to put more bodies into the breakdown than them. Going to struggle to turn this around unless we find some fluency...

AAAAAAAAAND we score!!! (Sm6)

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shipwrecked
16 November, 2019 14:33
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shipwrecked
Burns out, hamstring?

Sooo wrong, miraculous recovery he's back to convert from the touch line Hamer Webbs try!



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opti
Optimist
16 November, 2019 14:34
The new Roko then!

Is that Burns' calf problem back again. Great kick though.

Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
16 November, 2019 14:34
Dream debut from Hamer-Webb; first touch and scores a try!!

13 v 14

Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
16 November, 2019 14:39
Burns off after conversion: RP converts penalty from 45 metres.

16 v 14

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shipwrecked
16 November, 2019 14:43
Love the enterprise but shouldn't we play for field position?



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ken_jnr
ken_jnr
16 November, 2019 14:57
Nolly Waterman absolutely rinsing us in commentary. She isn’t wrong in anything she is saying mind you.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
16 November, 2019 14:58
Replay shows clear no arms tackle on Mercer at the death there - should have been penalty to Bath.
Lucky second Ulster try when when had 2 players being treated for injury.
Really, really unlucky to lose that.

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shipwrecked
16 November, 2019 15:00
Perfect example of why we need fresh half backs. Both just locked into robot mode!



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supermarinematt
supermarinematt
16 November, 2019 15:00
Quote:
ken_jnr
Nolly Waterman absolutely rinsing us in commentary. She isn’t wrong in anything she is saying mind you.

She was on the money - we played way to much rugby in the middle of the field and due to the lack of creativity we have we just go side to side and do nothing with the ball.

Should have won that with the territory and possession we had. The lack of go forward we have is really limiting us and nullifying the good work the forwards are doing

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shipwrecked
16 November, 2019 15:01
Quote:
ken_jnr
Nolly Waterman absolutely rinsing us in commentary. She isn’t wrong in anything she is saying mind you.


Agree, spot on in fact.



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opti
Optimist
16 November, 2019 15:17
I guess you've got to credit Ulster's defence. But we did carve out enough half chances to win that - we just aren't sophisticated or accomplished enough to convert a high enough proportion of chances though Too depressing to think that we're as good as out. If we were able to field our absolute first choice 23 it's not beyond us, but when does that ever happen.

Shadders
Shadders
16 November, 2019 15:18
Quote:
Dorset Boy
Replay shows clear no arms tackle on Mercer at the death there - should have been penalty to Bath.
Lucky second Ulster try when when had 2 players being treated for injury.
Really, really unlucky to lose that.

I thought the same...too much going on when the clocks gone red and it's the end of the game. I think the TMO might have said something otherwise.

Hamer-Webb's try was great, thought Roko and Beno were excellent. Shame Freddie gets cramp consistently after 50 minutes!

I think we'll win next week.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
16 November, 2019 15:26
I'm also staggered their No3 got away with what was a clear knee lift into Freddie as he made the tackle from their solitary attack in the second half. It was as dangerous, if not more so, that Brew's offence for the red card last week, but not even looked at.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
16 November, 2019 16:06
Just got back - Really enjoyable close match I thought. Some interesting omissions in terms of blocks and offsides IMO, but couldn’t really argue that either side didn’t deserve to win. Amazed he didn’t stop play when around RM who was having head treatment, but awarded so too late to moan.



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rodoftherec
rodoftherec
16 November, 2019 16:43
Sadly with this nine and ten we will not get too far - we will win some and lose some but we will not win enough to make a mark. We will also not lose enough to get embarrassed but we will not trouble the scorers too much - they have both been vg players but are now average at best and until we get better we will be mediocre at best.

opti
Optimist
16 November, 2019 16:43
When we, and RP in particular pass out of the back, the pass is fired back about 5 metres. Other teams pass just behind the front/blocking option making it way harder for the defence to react. We constantly ended up behind rage gain line today.

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
16 November, 2019 16:58
Quote:
supermarinematt
Quote:
ken_jnr
Nolly Waterman absolutely rinsing us in commentary. She isn’t wrong in anything she is saying mind you.

She was on the money - we played way to much rugby in the middle of the field and due to the lack of creativity we have we just go side to side and do nothing with the ball.

Should have won that with the territory and possession we had. The lack of go forward we have is really limiting us and nullifying the good work the forwards are doing

Agree, so what is Girvan Dempsey doing with the backs ?



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terracehugger
terracehugger
16 November, 2019 16:58
9,10 and 12.

At best, totally ineffective with a complete lack of creative skills.
It really doesn’t matter who occupies the remaining back line spots, they will simply be working on crumbs!

P G Tips
P G Tips
16 November, 2019 17:19
I too thought the Ulster player (hooker?) fortunate to escape a card. I was in line with the incident and from my angle I am surprised anybody could consider it anything but a deliberate knee into the tackle.

A card would have changed the next passage of play so who knows what the result might have been?

That said, I agree that despite the brightness of some of our play, too much was lateral, too many passes too deep and we made some sloppy errors.

A lot of good, sadly undone by too much bad.

PG

Rokobilly
Rokobilly
16 November, 2019 17:20
I'm depressed and encouraged in equal measures

Woodster
Woodster
16 November, 2019 18:40
Not a great game to watch but there you go.

Personally, I'm sure I'm seeing a more determined, more motivated Bath who are trying to play more pleasing rugby. Clearly, it's going to be patchy but I for one think there are some good signs.

Trawling
Trawling
16 November, 2019 18:53
Part of the problem in attack is we don't have a playmaking 12. JJ's got grubbers and chips but it's box it off 9, or Rhys' slow deliberate kicking. Other than that, you can defend flat because it's hands and carrying into contact.

If we had a Mike Catt type 12 or if Freddie was a real midfield option we would be more difficult to defend against.

ballsout
ballsout
16 November, 2019 19:01
It’s quite amazing how almost every single time we put in a grubber or cross field kick, we either lose 50 metres and are suddenly on the defensive, or we just concede a try.

It’s usually Freddie’s awful kicking game that puts us under pressure, sometimes Joseph, today it was Chudley.

Should have won that but mentally not strong enough against the big teams and we were barely going to make any impression in this competition anyway.

Yet another Cup we bow out of early. Our brand of “rugby” doesn’t deserve to go through anyway, just terrible.

Trawling
Trawling
16 November, 2019 19:11
Then go and watch someone/something else instead and give us all a break!

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
16 November, 2019 19:24
List of most predictable things known to mankind:

#1: Ballsout slags off Bath Rugby after a loss
#2: Bathovalballer slags off Bath Rugby and Ewels in particular after a loss
#3: neither are seen or heard of after a win
#4: the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.



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DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
16 November, 2019 19:26
BT have just shown 2 more angles of the hit on Mercer at the end. Zero attempt at a legal tackle, clear shoulder charge, probably a yellow in that position.
We just don't seem to ever get those decisions in our favour. Same last year when the Toulouse player should have been red carded as the citing proved.

BathHalfFull
BathHalfFull
16 November, 2019 19:31
I'm actually seeing signs of real encouragement. I feared the worst this season but if we continue to develop then I can see us getting forward dominance in a fair number of games this season and we actually started to put some backs moves together today so with our internationals back we could play some decent stuff. yes we failed to score at the death but we went from our 22 to their 5m line with some really good play and but for a great effort by stockdale we'd have pulled it off. Yes Zach could have maybe not thrown the pass and backed ourselves to recycle but i put it down to good defending. Onwards and upwards but I'm seeing progress for sure.

opti
Optimist
16 November, 2019 19:34
Not sure it was anything to do with mental strength - there was little to separate the teams in reality, and it took guts to come from behind, and to create such a clear cut chance at the end. We just don't have the finesse. Ulster made as many mistakes as us - but i don't suppose they do that week in, week out. I thought Chudley and Priestland started really well - Chudley in particular was putting real pace on it, which seemed to stem from quicker ball, and that gave Priestland a yard or two extra. But as soon as those initial patterns were done with, and they had to busk it there just didn't seem to be any real instinct for turning position into points and for seizing the moment.

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shipwrecked
16 November, 2019 19:37
Quote:
Dorset Boy
BT have just shown 2 more angles of the hit on Mercer at the end. Zero attempt at a legal tackle, clear shoulder charge, probably a yellow in that position.
We just don't seem to ever get those decisions in our favour. Same last year when the Toulouse player should have been red carded as the citing proved.

There was a hit on Mercer in the first half when he was injured that looked no arms as well, add to that the leg lead into Burns and there was quite a lot missed.
Couldn't see from the TV but they also looked hugely offside at times in the backs.



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DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
16 November, 2019 19:42
Key incorrect decisions from the officials gave that win to Ulster. Furious having seen those calls a number of times.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
16 November, 2019 19:44
Quote:
BathHalfFull
I'm actually seeing signs of real encouragement. I feared the worst this season but if we continue to develop then I can see us getting forward dominance in a fair number of games this season and we actually started to put some backs moves together today so with our internationals back we could play some decent stuff. yes we failed to score at the death but we went from our 22 to their 5m line with some really good play and but for a great effort by stockdale we'd have pulled it off. Yes Zach could have maybe not thrown the pass and backed ourselves to recycle but i put it down to good defending. Onwards and upwards but I'm seeing progress for sure.

+1



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Long Term
Long Term
16 November, 2019 20:18
Quote:
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List of most predictable things known to mankind:
#1: Ballsout slags off Bath Rugby after a loss(AND FREDDIE BURNS IN PARTICULAR)
#2: Bathovalballer slags off Bath Rugby and Ewels in particular after a loss
#3: neither are seen or heard of after a win
#4: the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

Please excuse the correction in highlights. Like others I see a team commitment to improvement and some good signs. It felt like two evenly matched sides out there and if we had had the early touch of luck and taken an early lead I think it would have been a different result.

Boldangrey
Boldangrey
16 November, 2019 20:45
Too often we're plagued with TMO referrals.

Today there were too few - knee to Freddie, no arms on Zac.

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CoochieCoo
16 November, 2019 21:11
Looking at the highlights Zac at already off loaded the ball before he was hit! Don’t think there was a penalty there but will try an put a video up to check!



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