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ballsout
ballsout
23 November, 2019 19:48
1. Get this season over with
2. Try and finish at least 11th
3. Get rid of Hooper, get rid of Rock, get rid of Broncon, get rid of Dempsey, send Lilley elsewhere for a few years
4. Employ a competent coaching team
5. Start fresh

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hasta
23 November, 2019 19:52
We have worse attacking patterns than my 4yo's rugby rats who don't even play rugby.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
23 November, 2019 19:57
Absolute fantastic game Bath. Loved the way giving Quins such an easy game physically and tactically. So generous with penalties and our handling as ever so good that we will never wear out our hands handling the ball. Gosh isn't Garvey so good, especially carrying the ball? Not.

So many questions to ask. Why play our second front row in a game we had to win? They were up against probably the best scrummaging loose head in the Northern Hemisphere. Has Boyce ever learnt to scrummage and when is Batty going to retain his rightful position over the Academy standard lightweight Walker? McNally does what?

Why no Ellis, Underhill and Chudley or Fox? Why play wingers like McConnaghie and Rokodiguni when we can never pass the ball to them. But of course due to our generous soft hearted forwards, especially in the first half, we are incapable of winning possession going forward.

Wonderful planning by Hoops and the team. Selection spot on to help Quins get the points. Quins didn't win the game, more we gifted it to them.

Never mind we can rest up Ewels, Watson and Joseph now that they are injured. Just think of the games of scrabble they can have with Mercer, Cokadesigna, Faletau, Catt and Thomas and pass the loofer at the Spa?

Such excitement and they don't even have to trouble themselves by getting dirty at the Rec.

Just think we have the underpaid, underperforming Sarries at the Rec under lights next week. Just in time to add to the Christmas Market celebrations! Can't wait for us to add to their celebrations!



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Ali1969
Ali1969
23 November, 2019 20:05
Another 80+ minutes of gritty dire one dimensional rugby with more injuries to deal with can anyone tell me what is our try count this season??

What on earth is going on with the coaching we claim to have one of the most attacking backlines in Premiership but from what I have seen so far this season we look stagnate and clueless.

In all probability Europe is over we need to concentrate on staying in the Premiership because it certainly is not a given on our performances this season..

Real issues for Hoops to sort out..

ballsout
ballsout
23 November, 2019 20:12
Club is a shambles, one day people will start to believe me.

Yet another competition we're out of after a couple of games, same old, same old.

dannyf2
dannyf2
23 November, 2019 20:31
Being a Bath fan is a frustrating business isn't it

sid the seagull
sid the seagull
23 November, 2019 20:42
We could have and should have won that game. Quins nothing really special there.
Some shockingly bad referee blindness eg multiple Quins ruck knock ons, Chris Cook stroll in to the line - exactly what was wrong with that? However, I accept that to get some of those decisions you have to portray dominance to whatever Sir has the whistle.

FLAP

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
23 November, 2019 20:47
Our DoR obviously believes he is doing a good job and has managed to date to hood wink Tarquin (not difficult on the rugby front} and Bruce who has played the game to a decent standard. However, no opposition sides believe he is as they all refuse to roll over and have their tummies tickled as he obviously thinks his charges deserve after all the planning and input of his team, including internationally experienced coaches like Hatley and the long standing Dempsey.

I would settle for 11th this season, in the hope we can find someone, anyone who can get a team full of international experience and talent, with a first class training facility, playing winning, skillful rugby able to perform basic skills consistently to a high level. That means removing the present so called coaching team and instilling a real desire and wanting to perform at the highest level. All of which is way above and beyond the present management. I would even put up with Mr Diamond who is not my favourite person but I believe he would certainly put some steel and back bone into Bath's squad and wouldn't tolerate any under performance. Possibly Cockerell would be my choice if he was free.

I can only dream as long as Tarquin and the number crunchers are running the show.



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Trawling
Trawling
23 November, 2019 21:07
Wibble

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
23 November, 2019 21:35
What is it about the way we play that leads to such a ridiculous number of injuries? England in the World Cup hardly had an injury throughout the tournament. We lose several players in each game. Most of our internationals are already crocked plus a whole host of other players, several out for the whole season. We started the season with supposed strength in depth in the props. We now have two pairs only & the second pair evidently struggled today. Losing a couple of players each week will soon leave us down to the bare bones. The one are in which had seemed to have improved massively, the front five, have disappointed in the last couple of matches in conditions that should suit us. We seem to have gone backwards with the arrival of Neil Hatley after so much promise. Has he been tampering? One wonders. We are rapidly running out of players and means of winning matches.

ballsout
ballsout
23 November, 2019 21:38
Quote:
sid the seagull
We could have and should have won that game. Quins nothing really special there.

WTF. What game were you watching. We offered pretty much nothing all game.

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shipwrecked
23 November, 2019 21:46
The injury situation is just weird, definitely needs looking at, in fairness to Hatley I wouldn't expect to see a change after 2 weeks but that was dire!
I was hopeful of better but time is running out I expected a top half team by Christmas. I wonder if the club has set similar goals?



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West Stand Quin
West Stand Quin
23 November, 2019 22:02
Sorry for the intrusion but was interested seeing the away view of the game.

The weather was awful and hence no team could rely on going wide.
Very much a game where the home team had an advantage, if it was at The Rec Bath would have won, it was just that sort of game / day. Quins were more threatening team but made handling errors and Bath attack was shut down quite quickly. Teams relied on kicks and luck of bouncing ball favoured Quins a little bit more, nothing to do with skill just one of those things.

Quins def benefitted by having Lang in the centres, having another 10 on the pitch int he Henry slade role gave another kicking option which on a day where territory was key perhaps was the difference.

Neither team was going to go 80m let alone 40m to score a try

ballsout
ballsout
23 November, 2019 22:21
Quote:
Old Bath Tub
Danny Care taking ages at every breakdown

And yet not ONCE did we put any pressure on his famously useless box-kicks. Not once.

Likewise restarting miles deep and putting zero pressure on teams. Every game the same negative strategy. Who needs to restart and try to win it back in filthy conditions eh.



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dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
23 November, 2019 22:40
Complete rubbish. Quins marginally less bad.

It feels like we lost the game tonight as soon as the team was picked. Sure, the weather forecast was for a fairer evening, but why have Priestland and Roberts on the bench? Marcus Smith was built for Roberts to run at him. I’m not saying we’d have cantered to victory with our ex-Welsh internationals in tandem, but at least we’d have had a clear plan. We also missed anyone in the back five of the scrum who can carry, although I thought Bayliss tried manfully.

Out of Europe. Ah well. Bet we beat Saracens on Friday!

sid the seagull
sid the seagull
23 November, 2019 23:34
Ballsidiot I said Quins weren’t that special.
Disagree?
Given our players we should have won.
Please proceed to gnaw your vitals.

HOP

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joethefanatic
24 November, 2019 00:13
My word, that was bad. Two poor teams, @#$%& weather and a guessing ref. We did not deserve to win and our habit of not waking up until the game is almost gone is deeply concerning. Plus we had Ruaridh and Roko and neither got a pass all night. Why bother having them on the pitch? And now we are free to concentrate on the league. JJ looks crocked and I really hope Anthony is OK. All in all very disappointing..



... IMHO, of course.

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Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
24 November, 2019 01:31
Quote:
joethefanatic
My word, that was bad. Two poor teams, @#$%& weather and a guessing ref. We did not deserve to win and our habit of not waking up until the game is almost gone is deeply concerning. Plus we had Ruaridh and Roko and neither got a pass all night. Why bother having them on the pitch? And now we are free to concentrate on the league. JJ looks crocked and I really hope Anthony is OK. All in all very disappointing..

This is a regular thing when the going is heavy so why don’t the wingers play differently & come in from their wings more, though they have to be alert defensively.of course.

ballsout
ballsout
24 November, 2019 02:18
Quote:
sid the seagull
Ballsidiot

Coming from a man pretending to be a seagull, without a clue about rugby?

Quote:
I said Quins weren’t that special.
Disagree?

No, you said "We could have and should have won that game". Now you're shifting the goalposts to say given the teams on paper we should have won? That's been the same story for years. What else is new.

We offered nothing and given the penalty count (was it 8-0 after 50 minutes?) I'm amazed we managed a LBP.

Quote:
dr.bath1865
Out of Europe. Ah well. Bet we beat Saracens on Friday!

It would be typical but I'd be very surprised if we did. It's probably the worst time to play Sarries. They'll come out all guns blazing and will be desperate for the win.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
24 November, 2019 02:30
With a scratch team including walking wounded.



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TG Kesmo
TG Kesmo
24 November, 2019 08:29
Ok we were awful the conditions were awful life is awful. Eeyore has decided who to blame, because it is always someone’s fault. Not suggested any ideas for improvement other than getting rid of the coach and half the team.
Again it seems to be suggested that somehow the injuries are someone at Bath’s fault have you watched any other team this year? Did you watch last week our opposition lost 2 before half time and most of their subs were injury related. If you look at the forces involved and factor in wet conditions people are going to get injured.
Do I have any magic solutions? No because if there were any someone with a lot more rugby nous than me would have thought of them. Do new coaches need time? yes. are some fans patient?no.
Will I continue to support Bath? yes. Can I continue on this forum? Undecided if there was more reasoned discussion maybe.

fat lock
fat lock
24 November, 2019 08:32
Watching Bath is all too predictably dull and tedious.
I didn't bother yesterday - you just knew what the outcome was going to be.

I'm probably slightly odd in that I watch for entertainment. I can get that entertainment from a tight 5 arm wrestle or from flowing backs moves.
Watching Bath doesn't deliver me entertainment - infact it hasn't for a few years now. (Ever since MF left really)
For a while I could put up with 90% of games being dire for the hope of the odd exciting game. Now that hope is extinguished.
Add to that a background of cheating which appears to be semi accepted by the authorities, and I've realised I've got quite a lot of other things to do on Saturdays.

terracehugger
terracehugger
24 November, 2019 08:57
I’m afraid Hooper looks to be completely out of his depth and out of touch, along with the bulk of his coaching colleagues.
Poor basic skills and a lack of on-field vision is quickly becoming our recognised dna.
Our fundamental player problem is that we have an ineffective 9/10/12 axis no matter who we play in those positions, and until that is remedied, the remainder of our stellar back line will be feeding off the occasional crumb.

warrenball
warrenball
24 November, 2019 09:03
Fat lock, agree 100%, I enjoy watching rugby, I just happen to watch at Bath, but although I support Bath and shout for them I am not a footie style fan. Whilst I enjoy a good forward battle and appreciate the effort put in by most players, effort on its own is not good enough, there has to be some thought involved from club which goes further than just trying to stop the opposition scoring and trying not to lose by too many points so we can still deceive ourselves into thinking we are moving forward. This safety first rugby may be seen as the best route to try to get results to justify the clubs's recruitment policy, but it is death by a thousand cuts and will just put off many people who enjoy watching good rugby.

Deckchair
Deckchair
24 November, 2019 09:28
The conditions were ropey but we have to adapt. Ultimately, we didn't hold on to the ball and we were not disciplined, the penalty count was 13-3 and it's difficult to win games playing like that.
We got ourselves in decent positions in the second half but coughed up pressure by giving the ball away.

See, I could be director of rugby too. All you have to do is simply report, not repair. And certainly not regret, or any of that silly rallying nonsense. I could do that. I couldn't be any worse, and I'll do it for half a Hoop wedge and I'll even bring my own track suit. Anyone have Brucie's mobile?



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CoochieCoo
24 November, 2019 09:34
It was a very poor performance (not helped by the conditions) and the starting front row struggled. I am no expert on what happens at scrum time but Marler was instrumental in most of the scrum pens against us. It is my belief that Bath are slow starters and we always seem to be in catch up mode. The change of the front row put us on the front foot but in those conditions it was a big ask to turn the match around.

I believe we should start with our strongest side.

Another big factor is discipline the score there was 3-13! The same happened at Bristol so here is a big factor for the coaches to earn their bread,



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Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
24 November, 2019 09:36
But Deckchair you will need to be schooled in smoozing one-eyed gormless speak when talking to the press to do the job properly. I am sure you are better than that! As it is you already have worked out where we are going wrong-unlike our present highly paid, expert {ha ha} coaching team.

I think you could be the Messiah we have been seeking for the past 8 years or so. Hope so anyway.

I will contact BnG to see if the Old Prostates RFC have any contact details for Bruce as I believe he is the club's Royal Patron. At least they can always be relied upon for a good party to raise the spirits even after another dismal defeat.



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CoochieCoo
24 November, 2019 09:44
Quote:
CoochieCoo
It was a very poor performance (not helped by the conditions) and the starting front row struggled. I am no expert on what happens at scrum time but Marler was instrumental in most of the scrum pens against us. It is my belief that Bath are slow starters and we always seem to be in catch up mode. The change of the front row put us on the front foot but in those conditions it was a big ask to turn the match around.
I believe we should start with our strongest side.

Another big factor is discipline the score there was 3-13! The same happened at Bristol so here is a big factor for the coaches to earn their bread,

Just like to add that I heard on the TV that Hats was in deep conversation with the ref at half time and was joined by Toby Booth. So clearly interpretation was being sought.



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Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
24 November, 2019 09:57
When I played the game, a team would learn how the ref applied the rules and you adapted accordingly. Apparently our over coached fluffy stars are unable to think for themselves and do the same. Why?



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ballsout
ballsout
24 November, 2019 10:05
Forget 9, 10, 12, forget Judge and Boyce bizarelly becoming poor players in a Bath shirt, forget our discipline issues...

I don't understand how coaches haven't remedied our pathetic ball retention issues yet. It was 30 minutes before we had one carry ffs. And then one pass later, Burns (of course) wastes that much needed possession with a cross field kick directly into touch. Great work.

gaz59
gaz59
24 November, 2019 10:52
From the KO the game looked lost

Quins kick off high, long hang time, into lights, rain and into space for two Bath players to collide with Quins player in chase. Knock on, scrum, penalty, quins score

Bath ko, deep and flat, no chase and straight into arms of single Quins player to set up easy exit

Didn't get any better from there

ballsout
ballsout
24 November, 2019 11:18
Quote:
gaz59
Bath ko, deep and flat, no chase and straight into arms of single Quins player to set up easy exit

That's been our strategy all season. Restart long, same place every time, putting teams under barely any pressure. Awful.

TG Kesmo
TG Kesmo
24 November, 2019 12:14
Re the penalty count at scrum time. Our starting front row did not cover themselves in glory. Maybe this is where Mr Hatley earns his crust. Getting on the “wrong side of the ref” happened yesterday and against Bristol. There must be something to be identified and worked on.

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shipwrecked
24 November, 2019 12:33
Quote:
TG Kesmo
Re the penalty count at scrum time. Our starting front row did not cover themselves in glory. Maybe this is where Mr Hatley earns his crust. Getting on the “wrong side of the ref” happened yesterday and against Bristol. There must be something to be identified and worked on.

+1 Priority



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abendanon-anon-anon
24 November, 2019 13:20
Quote:
gaz59
From the KO the game looked lost
Quins kick off high, long hang time, into lights, rain and into space for two Bath players to collide with Quins player in chase. Knock on, scrum, penalty, quins score

Bath ko, deep and flat, no chase and straight into arms of single Quins player to set up easy exit

Didn't get any better from there

My thoughts exactly. Priestland kicks the ball long but so much higher allowing time for Roko or Brew to challenge.
You could tell after just 5 mins we were going to lose - and I think the players did too.
One thing for me is Joseph's body language - he just doesn't seem to want the ball and doesn't interact with the rest of the back line. Strange

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
24 November, 2019 13:25
Quote:
Deckchair

See, I could be director of rugby too. All you have to do is simply report, not repair. And certainly not regret, or any of that silly rallying nonsense. I could do that. I couldn't be any worse, and I'll do it for half a Hoop wedge and I'll even bring my own track suit. Anyone have Brucie's mobile?

I agree on post match interviews , for me Stuart Hoopers explanations for defeats almost always come across as so blasé , I’m sure he does care but imho he doesn’t seem to come across that he does, as you say just reporting. (Sm128)



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fat lock
fat lock
24 November, 2019 13:33
Quote:
abendanon-anon-anon
One thing for me is Joseph's body language - he just doesn't seem to want the ball and doesn't interact with the rest of the back line. Strange

I wonder how much longer he and Ant will stay
Done the world cup thing - got to a final, won't get much better than that
Play for fun? - not much of that at Bath that I can see
Time to look towards life after rugby whilst at the top of their games ?- Sarries or France for money
Time for a new challenge ?- AW often talks about wanting to try American Football

ballsout
ballsout
24 November, 2019 14:46
You'd think they'd both want to win a trophy at club level, no chance of that here. I was delighted but very surprised when they renewed.

seatonian
seatonian
24 November, 2019 15:38
There is something inherently wrong with our great club. With the talent available we should be performing to a high level. We need a Head Coach to come in and crack the whip and to get the best out of our attacking back line. There is no evidence of coordinated attacking moves just bish bash and hope for the best. With our long term injury situation we need at least a couple of players to come in as cover. Players with guile and grit. I am sure that there are some southern hemisphere players out there who would fit the bill. I also feel that players who sustain an injury in a match should be pulled off at once and not be expected to play on and make the injury worse and become long term.

recman
recman
24 November, 2019 17:28
While watching the Saracens-Ospreys game the commentator remarked how Ospreys were currently going through a bad patch, at a low ebb, but will certainly come back stronger in a season or two, as these things go in cycles. It struck me that this law of cycles doesn't seem to apply to Bath. We have been stuck in a rut for years and years, and seem completely incapable of finding any way out of it (with the obvious exception of the Mike Ford season, which is looking more and more like a huge anomaly).

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CoochieCoo
24 November, 2019 17:36
Post hidden BO repetitive insinuation.



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Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
25 November, 2019 19:36
It is very disappointing as we have all expressed above.

Why don't we try and break the mould and stop playing the same predictable rugby which leads to narrow defeats and occasionally narrow wins.

Why don't we try playing like we did in the last few minutes against Ulster..........but start playing like that.

Not unlike the way Japan played which even if we lose it will be fun!

ballsout
ballsout
26 November, 2019 01:26
Quote:
Bath Supporter Jack
Not unlike the way Japan played which even if we lose it will be fun!

We can barely make four passes before kicking or losing the ball. Japan's entire game is based on great basics, incredible handling and the ability to keep the ball alive. Bath are the antithesis of that.

JFPC
JFPC
26 November, 2019 09:52
Quote:
ballsout
Quote:
Bath Supporter Jack
Not unlike the way Japan played which even if we lose it will be fun!

We can barely make four passes before kicking or losing the ball. Japan's entire game is based on great basics, incredible handling and the ability to keep the ball alive. Bath are the antithesis of that.

F*ck me but you come across as a miserable git at the best of times. Am I mistaken? Are you really a happy go lucky, glass half full chap? I hope so for your sake, the persona you portray on here must be the sorriest individual I have ever had the misfortune to interact with.



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Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
26 November, 2019 10:35
Ballsout

Let's aspire to be rather more than we are!

As you will recall in the last few minutes against Ulster we put a whole number of phases together.........let's try and do that more.

Personally I would like to see rather more ambition and less just running at the nearest person and more running towards or indeed creating gaps.

Three consecutive offloads and you create havoc in the opposition!

ballsout
ballsout
26 November, 2019 10:53
I've forgotten what an offload from Bath looks like. Or a line break (0 against Bristol and Quins). The frustration is the players are capable of putting phases together, but usually only when they have to, like at the end of the Ulster game. It's why we're often nilled at half time or concede a try early: the on field attitude is so lazy it's only when the game is there to be won, suddenly the team wake up. Happened against Exeter, and Gloucester away when Glos scored 4 tries in 25 minutes. It took a red card against Saints to finally spring the players into action and win that game.

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
26 November, 2019 19:47
Quote:
recman
While watching the Saracens-Ospreys game the commentator remarked how Ospreys were currently going through a bad patch, at a low ebb, but will certainly come back stronger in a season or two, as these things go in cycles. It struck me that this law of cycles doesn't seem to apply to Bath. We have been stuck in a rut for years and years, and seem completely incapable of finding any way out of it (with the obvious exception of the Mike Ford season, which is looking more and more like a huge anomaly).

Ospreys coach Allen Clark GONE according to BBC reports !



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