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BACKS TO THE WALL BATH v SARACENS. TEAM NOW UP
Discussion started by Comeonmylovers.co.uk (IP Logged), 26 November, 2019 18:37
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/12/2019 18:46 by P G Tips.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
26 November, 2019 19:50
I have booked my train ticket for a night of revelry. Looking forward to seeing the Xmas lights and possibly try some of the delights of the Market. Then I will ruin the whole evening no doubt by going to Rec for a sit down in my very expensive STH seat. Only hope it is raining cats and dogs and the game gets abandoned and has to be replayed in the New Year when we can muster a decent fit side.

Awful news about Ewels. We probably will be without him for the rest of the season. This is desperate times and I cannot envisage us winning against even a half strength Sarries side. We would struggle to beat their Academy at the moment.

No doubt the scoreboard will be in over drive and it won't be on the Bath side either.

PS Great write up as usual PGT.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 26/11/2019 19:52 by Bathovalballer.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
26 November, 2019 20:11
I was reading that 26 year old Ďpromising youngsterí Lozowski is reportedly not happy with his contract offer at Sarries when his current one is up at the end of this year. I think that he is someone that Bath should definitely be looking at if circumstances and budget allow - he is an excellent player IMO and also very versatile.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
26 November, 2019 20:30
I was kind of hoping for some property puns to lighten the mood and PGT has delivered - Backs to the Wall, very subtle.

I'm not good at these but how about -

Keeping Burns at full back is the Rightmove.
The Sarries pack will be knocking at the door.
The visitors will build the foundations of a win up front.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
26 November, 2019 21:03
Quote:
Bathovalballer
.......
Awful news about Ewels. We probably will be without him for the rest of the season. This is desperate times and I cannot envisage us winning against even a half strength Sarries side. We would struggle to beat their Academy at the moment.
.........

Is this the same Charlie Ewels that you have constantly slagged off for the last two seasons?
By your previous comments, I'd have thought you'd be delighted he won't be able to don the BB&W for a prolonged period.


Seriously though, we really seem to get no positive breaks these days.
Hope all the injured he quick and can get back playing as soon as possible.

P G Tips
P G Tips
27 November, 2019 08:07
Quote:
B4thB4ck
I was kind of hoping for some property puns to lighten the mood .

I claim no monopoly on wordplay B4B but here goes:

With more of their key assets on display, Saracens can be expected to return any loose kick with interest. They will be keen to profit from any turnover that comes their way and can be relied on to capitalise on any Bath error.

PG

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hemington
27 November, 2019 08:14
Quote:
P G Tips
Quote:
B4thB4ck
I was kind of hoping for some property puns to lighten the mood .

I claim no monopoly on wordplay B4B but here goes:

With more of their key assets on display, Saracens can be expected to return any loose kick with interest. They will be keen to profit from any turnover that comes their way and can be relied on to capitalise on any Bath error.

PG

Very good PG

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
27 November, 2019 09:13
Just noticed the United are meant to be playing Saracens Storm on Saturday at the Rec.

With our depleted ranks, I would have thought the club would be asking people, anyone, to turn up with their boots as they are likely to be needed!

It never just rains, it poors. Last thing we want is yet another tonking by the Saracen Cheaters in two days.



Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.

The Jink Joseph.

Adopted player 2018/19 Adopted player 2018/19 Semesa 'The Rock' Rokoduguni

ballsout
ballsout
27 November, 2019 10:34
You'd think the club might actually mention the United game at some point, given it's on a Saturday afternoon.

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CoochieCoo
27 November, 2019 14:33
Itís announced on the fixtures list on the club website. I expect further emails will be sent nearer the time. I did see some comment that it is free but donation buckets will be available for the Bath Foundation.



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warrenball
warrenball
27 November, 2019 15:03
Why are we so despondent? This is very far from Sarries first team, sure we have a few injuries, but probably no more than most teams allow for in their planning, we have a new, revitalised, coaching staff and have home advantage. Would it not be a terrible indictment of our club if we were anything but positive about a home game against a team so obviously in turmoil?

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
27 November, 2019 15:03
Yes they are always free. I would expect the team to be announced only after the 1st team, as players may be needed for that?



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

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CoochieCoo
27 November, 2019 15:16
Tweet from the club

Quote:
27 November 2019
There is a double dose of rugby this weekend at the Rec, as Bath United get their Premiership Rugby Shield campaign underway against Saracens Storm on Saturday afternoon (kick-off 16:00).

Entry to the game is free, with a suggested donation of £2 on the gate going towards Bath Rugby Foundation Ė the Clubís charitable arm, whose purpose is to empower vulnerable children and young people in Bath and the surrounding area to succeed.



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OutsideBath
27 November, 2019 17:57
Quote:
warrenball
Why are we so despondent? This is very far from Sarries first team, sure we have a few injuries, but probably no more than most teams allow for in their planning, we have a new, revitalised, coaching staff and have home advantage. Would it not be a terrible indictment of our club if we were anything but positive about a home game against a team so obviously in turmoil?

I'm guessing this is a tongue in cheek posting as Sarries didn't look like a team in turmoil last weekend?

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
27 November, 2019 23:16
I don't like Saracens but am very sure they are not in disarray. See last weekend's performance.

Now Bath might be perceived slightly differently unfortunately........



Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.

The Jink Joseph.

Adopted player 2018/19 Adopted player 2018/19 Semesa 'The Rock' Rokoduguni

ballsout
ballsout
28 November, 2019 02:00
Quote:
warrenball
Why are we so despondent? This is very far from Sarries first team, sure we have a few injuries, but probably no more than most teams allow for in their planning, we have a new, revitalised, coaching staff and have home advantage. Would it not be a terrible indictment of our club if we were anything but positive about a home game against a team so obviously in turmoil?

Can't tell if you're being serious or not.

The Sarries team that'll play on Friday is likely to be incredibly strong. And it's probably the worst time to play them.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
28 November, 2019 12:02
Bath Rugby team to face Saracens

15. Tom Homer

14. Semesa Rokoduguni

13. Max Wright

12. Jamie Roberts

11. Ruaridh McConnochie

10. Rhys Priestland

9. Will Chudley

1. Beno Obano

2. Tom Dunn

3. Will Stuart

4. Josh McNally

5. Elliott Stooke

6. Josh Bayliss

7. Sam Underhill

8. Francois Louw (c)

Replacements

16. Jack Walker

17. Lewis Boyce

18. Christian Judge

19. Matt Garvey

20. Rhys Davies

21. Chris Cook

22. Freddie Burns

23. Gabe Hamer-Webb



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
28 November, 2019 12:03
Saracens team to face Bath on Friday 29th November at The Rec (KO 19H45):

15 Elliot Daly (1)
14 Sean Maitland (67)
13 Duncan Taylor (119)
12 Brad Barritt © (248)
11 Alex Lewington (36)
10 Owen Farrell (193)
9 Richard Wigglesworth (236)
1 Mako Vunipola (161)
2 Jamie George (220)
3 Titi Lamositele (81)
4 Will Skelton (68)
5 George Kruis (179)
6 Maro Itoje (113)
7 Jackson Wray (233)
8 Billy Vunipola (104)

Replacements

16 Jack Singleton (3)
17 Richard Barrington (178)
18 Vincent Koch (69)
19 Nick Isiekwe (73)
20 Ben Earl (48)
21 Ben Spencer (162)
22 Manu Vunipola (12)
23 Nick Tompkins (111)



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
28 November, 2019 12:08
Well at least our nemesis, Alex Goode, isn't playing. Who replaces him? Oh, a British Lion.

With JJ in the XV, there was hope. Without him, even I, a glass-half-fuller, am struggling to #believe.

Give it everything lads! We'll be cheering you on!

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Rawce
28 November, 2019 12:10
Thereís me thinking thatís not a bad Bath team, missing JJ, but good to have Homer back. Then I see the Sarries team and their bench. Itís a wonder they can afford to have so many international players. I think the Premiership should consider some kind of salary cap to make things even in the future before it all gets out of hand.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
28 November, 2019 12:16
Quote:
Rawce
Thereís me thinking thatís not a bad Bath team, missing JJ, but good to have Homer back. Then I see the Sarries team and their bench. Itís a wonder they can afford to have so many international players. I think the Premiership should consider some kind of salary cap to make things even in the future before it all gets out of hand.

That's an outrageous suggestion. Have you seen what a handsome and charming man Nigel Wray is (I bet he tells great jokes too). Not guilty m'lud.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

Victor Ludorum
Victor Ludorum
28 November, 2019 12:17
Quote:
Rawce
Thereís me thinking thatís not a bad Bath team, missing JJ, but good to have Homer back. Then I see the Sarries team and their bench. Itís a wonder they can afford to have so many international players. I think the Premiership should consider some kind of salary cap to make things even in the future before it all gets out of hand.

Love it!

Hoping for a heavy pitch...the forwards up for it and Priestland putting them in the right places. That plus some raucous and feisty home support and we may still be in the game in the final quarter...

Shadders
Shadders
28 November, 2019 12:20
I'd take our wingers, Sam and Beno...but that's about it.

ilovebathtime
ilovebathtime
28 November, 2019 12:27
The only saving grace with our injuries is that they are spread across the team, so the team on paper is ok. We do seem to do pretty well against Saracens at home, but that is a very strong team they have got out, and would probably at the moment take a losing bonus point.

I can't quite work out how Saracens are allowed to continue to operate with the same squad (plus a British Lion full back) that breached the salary cap for the last 3 years. I would presume that next season Saracens squad will look very different?

ShortyinBurnham
ShortyinBurnham
28 November, 2019 12:32
That is a ridiculous amount of internationals in a 23! And we have, what, 7 including Roko and RMc.

I will definitely have to watch this with beer in hand, it could be a long evening!

MESSAGES->author
Rawce
28 November, 2019 12:39
Quote:
Shadders
I'd take our wingers, Sam and Beno...but that's about it.
I read that as Sam and Beno on the wing, which would cause a bit of damage in attack.

Forecast is cold and dry currently. Though Iíve probably just jinxed it.

Hoping for another tight home performance, though the head says Sarries.

Roberts vs Barritt has the noughties written all over it.

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hasta
28 November, 2019 12:41
Is that triple opensides vs zero opensides?

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
28 November, 2019 12:46
Quote:
hasta
Is that triple opensides vs zero opensides?

Yes, and a pack weight about 100kgs lighter. Good job we have the inside backs to play a quick, expansive game to keep it away from the set piece and breakdown.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
28 November, 2019 12:48
Good point, hasta.

Hopefully our work in the set piece and the tight can match Sarries, then we might have some joy on the floor. I've been really impressed with Bayliss so far this season, so it'll be interesting to see what he can do alongside Underhill and Louw. If we (Underhill) can stop their runners on the gainline, then we might be able to get on top at the breakdown (Louw).

That looks suspiciously like a sliver of hope to cling on to!

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
28 November, 2019 12:51
The engineering term, hysteresis, can be applied to the Sarries team. The effect of the cap breaches in the past years has resulted in the development of such a strong, deep squad that even if they are legal this season their team performance will benefit for a few seasons more.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
28 November, 2019 12:53
Quote:
B4thB4ck
The engineering term, hysteresis, can be applied to the Sarries team. The effect of the cap breaches in the past years has resulted in the development of such a strong, deep squad that even if they are legal this season their team performance will benefit for a few seasons more.

As was the case with Justin Gatlin...



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

BlackheathSaracen
BlackheathSaracen
28 November, 2019 12:54
Really good preview P G Tips.
Given Baths current injury issues that looks a very good team to me.
We have picked a very strong side but Bath away has been a tough fixture for a while and Roko has often been our nemesis.
I hope it's a great game and that the weather holds off.

MESSAGES->author
hasta
28 November, 2019 12:54
Same argument as with doping. You can do it for years out of competition, clean up for competition but have legacy benefits

MESSAGES->author
OutsideBath
28 November, 2019 13:12
Even if we had a half decent coaching setup it'd make no difference to the easiest win outcome for Sarries. Ridiculous mismatch.

They breached the salary cap yet are still permitted to field the same squad of players that breach the salary cap. How does that work?

I guess cheats really do prosper.

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hemington
28 November, 2019 13:21
Ehm Have Sarries got any injuries? How come their players don't return from England duty with long term injuries?

terracehugger
terracehugger
28 November, 2019 13:25
Yet again, an impenetrable blockage playing at 12, Will we never learn?
Its like the Bermuda Triangle. The ball arrives but never comes out!
Roko, Ruaridh and TH depending on crumbs of possession.

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
28 November, 2019 13:34
Who else do you want to pick at 12?

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
28 November, 2019 13:40
Quote:
dr.bath1865
Who else do you want to pick at 12?

Is Willison injured? He seems the only other possible candidate.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

seatonian
seatonian
28 November, 2019 13:40
Please Please , Can someone explain to me how Sarries can keep their same squad together when they did so in the past by breaching the cap. Have players taken a salary cut ? Perhaps a Sarries visitor can explain. On another point if Sarries win Euro cup again do they automatically qualify for next year despite not being in top six?

ballsout
ballsout
28 November, 2019 13:44
It's not that hard to understand. It was the business investments that took them over the cap. Without those, they're "allegedly" now within the cap.

trifle
4everhopePhil
28 November, 2019 14:05
Seatonian, as you asked:

Sarries players out
LP - Hayden Thompson-Stringer - Brive
HK - Tadgh McIlroy - Released
HK - Christopher Tolofua - Toulon
TP - Christian Judge - Loan, signed for you/Bath
TP - Hisa Sasagi - Loan (Otago)
TP - Billy Walker - Nottingham
LK - Dominic Day - San Diego
FL - Schalk Burger - Retired
FL - Jack Nay - Released
FL - Joel Conlon - Retired through injury
N8 - Sione Vailanu - Wasps
SH - Alex Gliksten - Cambridge Uni/Bedford Blues
SH - Henry Taylor - Northampton Saints
C - Reuben Bird-Tulloch - Northampton Saints
C - Marcelo Bosch - Burton
C - Tom Griffiths - Dragons
WG - Oli Morris - Worcester Warriors
WG - David Strettle - Retired

Players in
LP - Rhys Carre - Cardiff Blues
HK - Jack Singleton - Worcester
TP - Josh Ibuanokpe - Harlequins
TP - Sam Wainwright - RGC 1404
SH - Alex Day - Cornish Pirates
FB - Elliot Daly - Wasps

Long-term injured: Goode, Williams, Figallo

Euro Cup - I believe that the winners do not automatically defend

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hasta
28 November, 2019 14:37
Euro Cup winners do automatically defend... providing they haven't been relegated.

opti
Optimist
28 November, 2019 14:48
Quote:
ballsout
It's not that hard to understand. It was the business investments that took them over the cap. Without those, they're "allegedly" now within the cap.

So those players have sold up their shares in those co-investments and returned the money? What an absolute joke. That teamsheet just reads like a massive great 'v' sign to the rest of the Prem.

Once again, our teamsheet looks perfectly good. It would look even better with JJ in it - but only on paper. It's hard to remember when he last put in a performance for Bath that would get him noticed by England coaches if they didn't already know him.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
28 November, 2019 17:00
Quote:
4everhopePhil
Seatonian, as you asked:
Sarries players out
LP - Hayden Thompson-Stringer - Brive
HK - Tadgh McIlroy - Released
HK - Christopher Tolofua - Toulon
TP - Christian Judge - Loan, signed for you/Bath
TP - Hisa Sasagi - Loan (Otago)
TP - Billy Walker - Nottingham
LK - Dominic Day - San Diego
FL - Schalk Burger - Retired
FL - Jack Nay - Released
FL - Joel Conlon - Retired through injury
N8 - Sione Vailanu - Wasps
SH - Alex Gliksten - Cambridge Uni/Bedford Blues
SH - Henry Taylor - Northampton Saints
C - Reuben Bird-Tulloch - Northampton Saints
C - Marcelo Bosch - Burton
C - Tom Griffiths - Dragons
WG - Oli Morris - Worcester Warriors
WG - David Strettle - Retired

Players in
LP - Rhys Carre - Cardiff Blues
HK - Jack Singleton - Worcester
TP - Josh Ibuanokpe - Harlequins
TP - Sam Wainwright - RGC 1404
SH - Alex Day - Cornish Pirates
FB - Elliot Daly - Wasps

Long-term injured: Goode, Williams, Figallo

Euro Cup - I believe that the winners do not automatically defend

Well Daly's package will account for over half of the leavers.

seatonian
seatonian
28 November, 2019 17:05
Thanks for the update on Sarries releases. When you look at those coming in I would suggest it balances out. Daly must be on a good wage to leave Wasps and many of those leaving were on the bottom part of the ladder wage wise.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
28 November, 2019 17:34
Wasn't Judge a medical joker for Figallo (so wouldn't have been in the main cap?). Similarly a few academy players there who would also not have been in the main cap?

Christopher Tolofua wont have been cheap.

Would be interested to know what these guys were on the the twighlight of their careers:

- Schalk Burger
- Marcelo Bosch
- David Strettle



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

charlieboa
charlieboa
28 November, 2019 18:51
At that rate of in's and out's they may be legitimately under the cap in a few decades

charlieboa
charlieboa
28 November, 2019 18:53
Quote:
BathMatt53
I was reading that 26 year old Ďpromising youngsterí Lozowski is reportedly not happy with his contract offer at Sarries when his current one is up at the end of this year. I think that he is someone that Bath should definitely be looking at if circumstances and budget allow - he is an excellent player IMO and also very versatile.

Would be an excellent acquisition i think. Challenge for 12 and 13 ....and a competent third choice 10 which is often a real issue...has covered back 3 as well i think

dannyf2
dannyf2
28 November, 2019 19:36
I'm annoyed. No points reduction or fine will compensate the honest ticket-buying fan that is about to watch their team get humped by a line up like theirs. It's a joke.

BlackheathSaracen
BlackheathSaracen
28 November, 2019 20:03
Quote:
BathMatt53
Christopher Tolofua wont have been cheap

So the implication is he would have been expensive? Unless you know French rugby well and without googling him, why?

When Saracens took a chance on him he was a promising 22? year old French prop with a few International caps whose career had stalled after a serious spine injury. The injury ruled him out of playing in France and for the National team.
Saracen took a chance and once he joined the medical advice was for him to have further surgery. He did that and rehabbed and played for Sarries for a couple of seasons. He never renewed his contract and with his spine sorted signed for Toulon and has International aspirations again.

Skelton would be another example of Sarries taking a calculated chance on an International player who was somewhat overlooked and out of shape. First as injury cover and then on contract. His renewal will have been on very good money but the two contracts before then I doubt would have been based on the player he was not the one he has become.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
28 November, 2019 20:34
I actually meant the opposite to what you are suggesting, ie that he would have gone a way to offsetting some of the new guys coming in. If he was indeed cheap then it seems he (and Skelton) wouldnít have and the books could do with a bit of cooking again? Cheers for the info.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

warrenball
warrenball
28 November, 2019 20:56
Saracens have almost as many internationals in their team as Bath used to put out in the amateur era! Happy days.

BlackheathSaracen
BlackheathSaracen
28 November, 2019 21:48
Quote:
BathMatt53
I actually meant the opposite to what you are suggesting
Ah, ok.
No. I think both Tolofuas contract and Skletons original contract where very much based on their prospects at the time rather than the potential Saracens saw in them.

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
28 November, 2019 21:55
Referee Karl Dickson - 21st Premiership game



Adopted Player 2018/19 Ross Batty
Adopted Player 2019/20 Jack Davies

"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
FRIEDRICH ENGELS

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joethefanatic
28 November, 2019 21:59
Quote:
Old Bath Tub
Referee Karl Dickson - 21st Premiership game

Good ref.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

sid the seagull
sid the seagull
29 November, 2019 00:47
Iím a bit surprised that Hercules Spoons hasnít been on this thread as well with the usual tease about Bath Shamateur Era. I guess ignoring him must have worked.
Damn . . . . . .

HOP

fat lock
fat lock
29 November, 2019 06:52
This team sheet proves the game is broken, and no-one wants to fix it.

Please sir, can I have my game back please? I used to enjoy what it stood for and enjoy watching it.

Makes the premiership footy look like a bastion of morality.

Sad, sad days (for me anyway)

Primavesi2
Primavesi2
29 November, 2019 08:45
Quote:
BlackheathSaracen
Quote:
BathMatt53
I actually meant the opposite to what you are suggesting
Ah, ok.
No. I think both Tolofuas contract and Skletons original contract where very much based on their prospects at the time rather than the potential Saracens saw in them.

The same is true of Alex Lozowski. When he moved to Saracens he was 3rd or 4th choice at Wasps. Saracens saw something in him, gave him game time and made him into a very good player and now of course he wants more money (donīt blame him at all). The point is that leaving aside salary cap issues aside, Saracens are very good at recruiting players like him and making them better. Look at some of the players they have picked up from the championship down the years.

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CoochieCoo
29 November, 2019 09:13
So itís Bath v The Rest of the World! I think we might sneak this!



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Chops3
Chops3
29 November, 2019 09:23
Quote:
Old Bath Tub
Referee Karl Dickson - 21st Premiership game
Doesn't seem very fair that the ref is allowed to adopt 2 players from Bath. This should be looked into by the authorities!!!

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shipwrecked
29 November, 2019 09:24
Anyone think the Club might be saying something by announcing its Black Friday today!

At the Bathrugbyshop that is!



https://i.ibb.co/Fz0bC3q/Unknown-1.jpg


Beno Obano Age 25 years, Loosehead prop, 5ft 8ins 18st 12lbs 'Mauls are like Transformers' they change form to become more powerful!

Bag Inton
Ken I L Worth
29 November, 2019 10:10
How arrogant...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKdrgOoWsAYiZZf?format=jpg&name=small

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
29 November, 2019 10:23
That's got to be £3m of the cap right there...



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
29 November, 2019 10:36
Just leaving for the game shortly, yes I know its early but I want to spend the day at the Xmas Market to buy a wooden tie and a crate of garlic beer (Sm100)

Bath by 3 only because Sorries are in such turmoil they won't know where they are !



Adopted Player 2018/19 Ross Batty
Adopted Player 2019/20 Jack Davies

"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
FRIEDRICH ENGELS

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
29 November, 2019 10:44
I assumed Sarries PR would adopt a lower profile in the short term.

I am sure someone cleverer than me could edit that picture by adding some bank notes into their hands.†

ballsout
ballsout
29 November, 2019 11:06
Quote:
Old Bath Tub
Sorries are in such turmoil they won't know where they are !

I think you're going to be very surprised.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
29 November, 2019 11:07
Quote:
Old Bath Tub
Just leaving for the game shortly, yes I know its early but I want to spend the day at the Xmas Market to buy a wooden tie and a crate of garlic beer

Not another wooden tie?! How many does a man need?



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 29/11/2019 11:08 by BathMatt53.

opti
Optimist
29 November, 2019 11:30
Quote:
Primavesi2
The same is true of Alex Lozowski. When he moved to Saracens he was 3rd or 4th choice at Wasps. Saracens saw something in him, gave him game time and made him into a very good player .... Saracens are very good at recruiting players like him and making them better. Look at some of the players they have picked up from the championship down the years.

Eh???? When Lozowski moved to Saracens he was back-up to Andy Goode - according to Wiki he played 27 times in his 2 seasons with them, but with Cipriani lined up he saw his chances could be limited ... so he went to Sarries as replacement for Charlie Hodgson. He clearly saw himself as a fly-half. My recollection is that he was considered very much an England player in the making and that going to Sarries was going to help him in that ambition. If anything his career has stalled a bit at Sarries where he's become a bit of a utility. He's far from being an automatic pick in the big games, and he's averaging roughly the same number of appearances per season for Sarries as he was for Wasps. He failed to make the England squad - overtaken by Piers Francis who hasn't exactly set England alight.

Banachek
Banachek
29 November, 2019 11:50
Fat Lock wrote -
"This team sheet proves the game is broken, and no-one wants to fix it.
Please sir, can I have my game back please? I used to enjoy what it stood for and enjoy watching it.
Makes the premiership footy look like a bastion of morality.
Sad, sad days (for me anyway)"

What always restores my faith in the game is going down to my local club ( where my two lads played from mini's to seniors ) on a Sunday morning and see all the youth and mini teams playing for the pure joy and fun of the game and what it gives to those kids. The time and effort the coaches (at grass roots level few if any are paid) , and volunteers put in for the sheer love of the game is what Rugby is all about.
Sure I watch the Prem and go to 3 or 4 games a year to see Bath , but its the tip of the rugby Iceberg I usually get just as much enjoyment watching an amateur game played in a rainstorm on a mud bath. From Nat 2 and above some great rugby to watch and so much cheaper !

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
29 November, 2019 12:11
Before he left for Sarries, I remember Lozowski scored one helluva halfway line try for Wasps v Bath.

So the fact that "Saracens saw something in him" isn't really remarkable. 14,000 people could quite clearly see it too.

opti
Optimist
29 November, 2019 12:30
Glad that's your memory too dr. bath.

It's a bit like the Adam Hastings thing, where people keep lamenting how much better he's got since he left Bath. He was 18 when he played for Bath. Of course he got f'ing better in the next couple of years.

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
29 November, 2019 12:49
My memory is that Lozowski was one of the most highly rated in his age group, and he had begun to prove his potential with some flashes of brilliance when he got on the pitch for Wasps. Like you say Opti, he left because Cipriani was head back to Wasps.

I expect his signature was fought over by a number of clubs, so he must have signed for Saracens on a pretty tidy sum for a 22/23 year old. Or maybe he took a low offer from Sarries because he thought he'd win trophies and become a better player with them? Who knows eh.

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hemington
29 November, 2019 12:55
Quote:
dr.bath1865
My memory is that Lozowski was one of the most highly rated in his age group, and he had begun to prove his potential with some flashes of brilliance when he got on the pitch for Wasps. Like you say Opti, he left because Cipriani was head back to Wasps.
I expect his signature was fought over by a number of clubs, so he must have signed for Saracens on a pretty tidy sum for a 22/23 year old. Or maybe he took a low offer from Sarries because he thought he'd win trophies and become a better player with them? Who knows eh.

Or a business opportunity.

opti
Optimist
29 November, 2019 16:42
Quote:
ballsout
Quote:
Old Bath Tub
Sorries are in such turmoil they won't know where they are !

I think you're going to be very surprised.

I suspect we are going to be on the end of a right old backlash, but in fact the evidence that Sarries are unaffected by all this is mixed. They put away Ospreys 2nd team, who are the standard-bearer for Ďturmoilí related rugby clubs currently.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
29 November, 2019 16:49
They look like a group of players on a mission, IMO.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 29/11/2019 16:50 by BathMatt53.

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OutsideBath
29 November, 2019 16:55
Sarries have probably created a siege mentality amongst the squad and will no doubt brush away a severely depleted Bath team without any problems at all. It's just a matter of how long it will take them to get the TBP.

The thing that irritates me most is that they are being allowed to continue fielding the same team that breached the salary cap!

I guess we just have to suck that up, hope we escape without any further injuries and at least remain competitive for the 1st half.

Hercules Spoons
Hercules Spoons
29 November, 2019 17:06
Quote:
sid the seagull
Iím a bit surprised that Hercules Spoons hasnít been on this thread as well with the usual tease about Bath Shamateur Era. I guess ignoring him must have worked.
Damn . . . . . .

HOP

Iím still around Sid

Remarkable parallels

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
29 November, 2019 19:29
The opening lines of the BBC web coverage this evening:-

'Seemingly for the moment, the dust has settled on the Sarries' salary cap scandal and Mark McCall's men can begin their quest for survival.'

Well, that's nice.

supermarinematt
supermarinematt
29 November, 2019 20:41
Well, yet another half of rugby where we have ball but just go side to side. Sarries soaked up the pressure then made it look easy through our defense to score their try.

Looked ok in the scrums, then Sarries started winning penalties where we only go re-sets. Need to find something from somewhere if we want to win this. Currently, with the lack of skill at 9, 10, 12 we are looking at a LBP.

9-16 at HT.

Sans Culottes
Sans Culottes
29 November, 2019 20:47
Saints fan here. I thought you were hard done by when you had their tight head turned in twice and only got resets. Then to top it off Sarries push before the ball is in and get a pen. KD not too hot on the scrum imho.

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hasta
29 November, 2019 20:57
Well this all feels horribly inevitable. As well as literally every 50/50 call going to Sarries.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
29 November, 2019 21:11
Every 60/40 in our favour is going to Sarries.
Only one side being reffed - Sarries runners in front every time, and in front of the back foot every time.

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hasta
29 November, 2019 21:13
Miles offside at every ruck.

supermarinematt
supermarinematt
29 November, 2019 21:15
The World XV are up very, very quickly whenever we have the ball. Penalties are all against us right now.

12-25 after 63mins

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
29 November, 2019 21:18
The officating is an offical joke. Two illegal binds from Kock, 6 m from TJ. Nothing. Headbut by Koch, nothing.

ilovebathtime
ilovebathtime
29 November, 2019 21:19
We have no hope the way this has been refereed.

Having said that our basic handling skills and vision is non existent

supermarinematt
supermarinematt
29 November, 2019 21:23
This is a complete farce the way it's been officiated. That said, we are not good enough to win this game

ken_jnr
ken_jnr
29 November, 2019 21:26
We are being our usual stodgy selves again. They are up suspiciously fast in defence but we are asking no questions and losing anything that resembles an arm wrestle.

Lots of huff and puff and putting bodies on the line but no threat and no shape yet again.

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Toast and Marmite
29 November, 2019 21:28
We are a very limited, dull and unintelligent team. I may well stop watching and check the scores after games because frankly this team can hold very little of my interest.

I donít what needs to change, but change is whatís required.



"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

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hasta
29 November, 2019 21:30
How in the blue black and white swearword do you get destroyed at that scrum?

Awful.

ken_jnr
ken_jnr
29 November, 2019 21:33
Our replacement front row are someway off Premiership standard. We are missing Catt and Thomas (who isnít exactly dominant in the scrum himself) but it is still concerning.

supermarinematt
supermarinematt
29 November, 2019 21:33
Sarries down to 14 for the last 10 mins, and we still can't get into this game. We are just an average at best side and anything around 10th in the league is probably a fair reflection.

This is just so uninspiring, it's horrible rugby with a complete lack of basics and skill. We rely on someone for a moment of brilliance.

The coaching team need a long hard at the squad and what they do in training.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
29 November, 2019 21:37
Very frustrating again.
Why can't we get a fair crack from the officials - particularly when red cards and foul play are ignored?

Yes we are too predictable, but lots of sides would struggle against a fired up Sarries side who are getting all the calls.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
29 November, 2019 21:38
We could have any referee in the world and we still wouldnít be able to break the line in the backs through anything other than the occasional bit of individual magic.

All these people saying Hooper this, Lilley that - Dempsey needs to answer some questions as to why the backs as so impotent IMO. I was so excited when he joined but our attack play is literally some of the least penetrative in the league. Why?

Second fewest tries for in league: 6 (Tigers 4). Most tries against in league: 14. Pretty miserable statistic for those who pay their money to watch that tbh.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 29/11/2019 21:43 by BathMatt53.

MESSAGES->author
hasta
29 November, 2019 21:39
We have the officiating that our play deserves. Awful.

MESSAGES->author
Toast and Marmite
29 November, 2019 21:40
Quote:
supermarinematt

The coaching team need a long hard at themselves and what they do in training.

Fixed FOC



"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

ken_jnr
ken_jnr
29 November, 2019 21:42
If we are always (Which reading on Ďere we seem to be) on the wrong side of the ref then we need to look at ourselves.

Dunn looks livid.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
29 November, 2019 21:44
When even the commentators are saying one team is perma offside you know it's not being reffed.

I think we are all wondering what Dempsey does.

ade1865
Ade1865
29 November, 2019 21:44
I make it 2 backs tries so far this season, is that right?

Florida
Florida
29 November, 2019 21:47
Quote:
Sans Culottes
Saints fan here. I thought you were hard done by when you had their tight head turned in twice and only got resets. Then to top it off Sarries push before the ball is in and get a pen. KD not too hot on the scrum imho.

Was pretty perplexed by the scrum too, ref set his stall out early and gave you a penalty and then followed that up by refusing to award a penalty for them popping up constantly.

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