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BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Discussion started by Comeonmylovers.co.uk (IP Logged), 17 December, 2019 18:44
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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
17 December, 2019 19:25
ĎMust winí is a bit overused but I really think that these next couple are as close as it gets. Morale amongst the Bath fans I know (and on here) is the lowest it has been for a long while IMO. The club (Staff, players and fans) Desperately need a boost.



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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
17 December, 2019 21:04
Agree Matt, after only 4 wins from 13 games (all competitions) we are certainly at a point when everyone could do with a boost, have we had a worse start to a season ? (Sm128)



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warrenball
warrenball
18 December, 2019 07:40
This is a game that Bath would be expected to win in most seasons and it will have been one of the upcoming matches highlighted by the coaches as crucial to an understanding of where we are as a club. We need to get moving, especially in the backs, as I cannot believe clubs like Wasps and Tigers will remain languishing at the bottom of the table.

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shipwrecked
18 December, 2019 08:07
Interesting to read the Somerset live article about re-setting the season by Bath, I wonder if that applies to selection at 10?
Stooke, McNally and Williams if selected provide some serious ball carrying. One of the criticisms I heard in commentary at the weekend was that our carries were too predictable with no options so the tackle choice was obvious. A simple fix you would have thought.
I've no idea what we will do in the backs. I guess its the same as the backs themselves.



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
18 December, 2019 09:36
Due to a lack of information from the club I really have no idea who is injured or available, so can't even start to guess on who would be in the 15. Is Willison still injured? Are AW and TF anywhere close? I assume that JJ will be back and was just rested? What about Batty?



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OutsideBath
18 December, 2019 10:23
Thought AW was listed as returning in the NY?

Guess TF will play the week before the 6N starts.

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
18 December, 2019 12:36
What would we be focussing on in training if we were in charge?

Some criticise the basics, some the backs alignment, some want offloads back on the menu, some think there is a lack of team spirit and dog.

That's a lot to fix in one week.

I suggest the forwards concentrate on the basics and the backs should be working on how to make best use of any space with FB involved on how he wants the ball and where everyone lines up outside.

If there has been plain speaking then the players should be involved in driving the changes.

opti
Optimist
18 December, 2019 13:38
Quote:
B4thB4ck
What would we be focussing on in training if we were in charge?

Good question that.

the basics - I thought we had improved our basic ball retention - ie not dropping simple passes, and not losing it on the floor, but this reappeared with a vengeance in the first half against Clermont. If we can't get these basics right, then everything else is irrelevant. If i were the head coach, i'd be inclined to say to the players - 'you are professional rugby players. I'm not going to insult you by practising catching. Don't insult us by dropping it.'

the backs alignment - I think the outside backs need to genuinely believe they are going to get the ball in order to run really good lines. Why would you bust your lungs to realign, cut angles, 'mean it', when you know full well it's: RP>JR>bosh>go to floor ???

offloads - all about confidence and freedom to make what Sam Vesty calls 'good mistakes'. I don't believe our players have the confidence or are granted that freedom. As an encapsulation of this attitude - Burns 'try' against Toulouse. Rather than watching the brilliant angle he ran, and his role in creating and (all but) finishing that try, they have decided never to trust him again because of a freak moment.

team spirit and dog - i don't see any lack of this. A lack of confidence maybe, but no lack of effort.


I'd add:
- varying the kicking game. Using it as an attacking weapon
- working on putting Roko in 1-1 situations in their 22, not just hoping he'll create Under-12 tries from 60 metres out
- using JJ as a second receiver, and using Roberts more as a 'back row' type of attacker wider out
- rather than letting the second last man - usually JJ - die with the ball (meaning our wingers simply end up as breakdown support), give the wings a go on the outside and/or encourage them to switch back on the scissors

sid the seagull
sid the seagull
18 December, 2019 13:47
I like the idea of having a dog on the field.
We need this degree of creative thinking.

HOP

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shipwrecked
18 December, 2019 13:53
Oh dear.....Sid, its not a real dog!



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gaz59
gaz59
18 December, 2019 14:01
Quote:
shipwrecked
Oh dear.....Sid, its not a real dog!

Shame, I'd have lent my dog to cause. Whippet/collie cross. Greased lightening speed with 24/7 battery of the collie. Had to have lengthy rehab after leg fracture so fits the club culture but now fully fit, raring to go and only needs a blue top to complement the black n white

But you're right Opti - adopt the famous mantra of the Art of World Class Basics

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
18 December, 2019 15:09
Come on Sid, we can't have a Catt and a Dog in the same team.

(now expects someone to post an animals XV....)

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shipwrecked
18 December, 2019 15:14
Quote:
B4thB4ck
Come on Sid, we can't have a Catt and a Dog in the same team.
(now expects someone to post an animals XV....)

Japan have already done that at the RWC!

Oddly they don't have an animal at 10, its the only human.

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B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
18 December, 2019 15:54
DoR - Sir David Attenborough.

I guess ours would a (W)Hooper swan - quiet on the surface but hopefully a lot of paddling going on that we don't see...

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OutsideBath
18 December, 2019 15:59
Quote:
B4thB4ck
What would we be focussing on in training if we were in charge?
Some criticise the basics, some the backs alignment, some want offloads back on the menu, some think there is a lack of team spirit and dog.

That's a lot to fix in one week.

I suggest the forwards concentrate on the basics and the backs should be working on how to make best use of any space with FB involved on how he wants the ball and where everyone lines up outside.

If there has been plain speaking then the players should be involved in driving the changes.

Far too much wrong for a few stiff words to fix in a week.

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
18 December, 2019 16:06
But what would WE do in training this week, if coaching the team, to win the next game.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
18 December, 2019 16:09
Forwards: more of the same, with a bit of extra handling work. Not too much to sort.

Backs: make them watch some videos of Bath games and then get them out on the field doing running / passing drills and learning a few set moves off first and second phase - like the ones that Exe found successful against us.



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OutsideBath
18 December, 2019 16:51
Quote:
B4thB4ck
But what would WE do in training this week, if coaching the team, to win the next game.

Given that there's no chance of building an effective attack in a week, I'd concentrate on defensive systems to stop LI scoring tries and also work on limiting penalties in danger areas.

warrenball
warrenball
18 December, 2019 16:58
Why not Burns and Priestland at 10/12 for starters, having Burns taking the ball closer to the line would pull Priestland forward and may release JJ. Can't be any worse than having Roberts crashing into contact all the time.

opti
Optimist
18 December, 2019 17:16
Quote:
warrenball
Why not Burns and Priestland at 10/12 for starters

We are very short of centre options, but I think that would be a disaster. Play one of them at 15 if need be. Would honestly rather see Tom deGlanville given a go at 12.

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
18 December, 2019 17:37
Quote:
OutsideBath
Quote:
B4thB4ck
But what would WE do in training this week, if coaching the team, to win the next game.

Given that there's no chance of building an effective attack in a week, I'd concentrate on defensive systems to stop LI scoring tries and also work on limiting penalties in danger areas.

It does sound like a tall order but if you must have watched games where a replacement 10 comes on who commits defenders and passes late. That can change the threat significantly with the same players outside him. You have to start somewhere and that should not be rocket science for an attack coach.

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OutsideBath
18 December, 2019 17:52
Quote:
B4thB4ck
Quote:
OutsideBath
Quote:
B4thB4ck
But what would WE do in training this week, if coaching the team, to win the next game.

Given that there's no chance of building an effective attack in a week, I'd concentrate on defensive systems to stop LI scoring tries and also work on limiting penalties in danger areas.

It does sound like a tall order but if you must have watched games where a replacement 10 comes on who commits defenders and passes late. That can change the threat significantly with the same players outside him. You have to start somewhere and that should not be rocket science for an attack coach.

I agree, but our "attack" coach hasn't shown any signs of being able to get our backs scoring tries. It's good fun for us to speculate on what we'd do, but I really can't see our coaching team changing anything as they seem to think we're not far off.

The real concern for me is our injury list has negated the advantage we would have had over LI and now it's just a simple contest between DOR's for superiority on the day and that doesn't bode well for Bath.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
18 December, 2019 18:33
Opti

Very good did you apply for DOR job?

I would have Burns practice his chipping so he or someone on our team could catch the ball.

Also offloads, again and again and again.

warrenball
warrenball
18 December, 2019 18:36
I would be happy with De Glanville at 12, but not with Priestland at 10, we have to have a fly half who keeps the opposition on their toes, with Priestland taking the ball so deep it makes it very easy for the opposition. Hooper has got to take a chance and give the backs a go, putting them on a leash has not worked very well so far

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OutsideBath
18 December, 2019 18:50
Hooperís plan A only involves the forwards, I guess RP and his kicking is best suited to this strategy.

There is no plan B so FB will likely sit on the bench until the game is lost.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
18 December, 2019 19:42
Not if RP plays like he did the 1st half against CA at home.



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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
18 December, 2019 20:28
Sir for Irish - Karl Dickson, didnít do us many favours v Saracens ! IMO. (Sm128)



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joethefanatic
18 December, 2019 21:43
Quote:
Old Bath Tub
Sir for Irish - Karl Dickson, didnít do us many favours v Saracens ! IMO. (Sm128)

If memory serves, we didn't deserve any. He's a good ref.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

opti
Optimist
19 December, 2019 09:08
Really nice bit of attack analysis here. Doesnít reference Bath, strangely.

[twitter.com]

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
19 December, 2019 09:11
Quote:
Optimist
Really nice bit of attack analysis here. Doesnít reference Bath, strangely.
[twitter.com]

Yes, looks so simple. Not entirely true that Bath aren't referenced - it shows how our defence were torn a new one by Clermont.



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shipwrecked
19 December, 2019 09:42
Quote:
Optimist
Really nice bit of attack analysis here. Doesnít reference Bath, strangely.
[twitter.com]

Nice spot Opti, reminded me that in order to do the overlap it has to be taken to the line. This is probably why we don't see it too often at Bath as Rhys Priestland plays so deep at 10.



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redmix
redmix
19 December, 2019 10:06
Quote:
Optimist
Really nice bit of attack analysis here. Doesnít reference Bath, strangely.
[twitter.com]

Nice spot.

Bath don't feature because they don't play rugby in the way the author wanted to illustrate. We seem to play all our rugby behind the gain line allowing defences to move up and drift across cutting off all the options for the wide players. When we do take the ball to the line and use it, rather than smash into the line, we create space. What we then lack is support players running the right lines.

TG Kesmo
TG Kesmo
19 December, 2019 10:57
Quote:
redmix
Quote:
Optimist
Really nice bit of attack analysis here. Doesnít reference Bath, strangely.
[twitter.com]

Nice spot.

Bath don't feature because they don't play rugby in the way the author wanted to illustrate. We seem to play all our rugby behind the gain line allowing defences to move up and drift across cutting off all the options for the wide players. When we do take the ball to the line and use it, rather than smash into the line, we create space. What we then lack is support players running the right lines.

Agreed it is almost like we are so busy defending that we forget about attack. We need to get from the trying not to lose mindset to the trying to win mindset. Yes I know that isnít like flicking a switch because so many factors play in what happens on the pitch. The confidence to run the attacking lines they undoubtedly practice in training just isnít there at the moment. Maybe the patient play In the right areas of the pitch pragmatic style needs a tweak.

Awp24975
Awp24975
19 December, 2019 11:43
I think Cook was one of the few that played well over in France so would like to see him start again (so probably wonít). I think you have to start with Rhys, Fred just doesnít fill me with any confidence at all.
Just hope some of the injuries have cleared up and we get a bit of a boost because this is a must win!

P G Tips
P G Tips
19 December, 2019 11:46
Quote:
joethefanatic
Quote:
Old Bath Tub
Sir for Irish - Karl Dickson, didnít do us many favours v Saracens ! IMO. (Sm128)

If memory serves, we didn't deserve any. He's a good ref.

Joe
You are right - we did not deserve favours. However, a couple of weeks earlier, Tony Spreadbury had told the BRSC meeting that there would be a clampdown on offside in the Premiership this season.

I saw no evidence of that being applied in the Saracens match and they undoubtedly gained from his laxity.


PG

P G Tips
P G Tips
19 December, 2019 11:48
Quote:
TG Kesmo
[
Maybe the patient play In the right areas of the pitch pragmatic style needs a tweak.

Perhaps that is exactly where the "confidence to run the attacking lines" should be developed? Instead of the now rather predictable pick & drives which take 15 phases to produce a score- and exhaustion!

PG

SirBurger
SirBurger
19 December, 2019 13:39
Good article. From an Irish perspective, Naholo went back to NZ for the birth of his first child so won't be available. Meehan is likely to start ahead of Phipps at 9 and it will be interesting to see if either Coleman or Mafi come into the pack. Ioane is suspended so no place on the bench for him.

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OutsideBath
19 December, 2019 13:59
Quote:
P G Tips
Quote:
joethefanatic
Quote:
Old Bath Tub
Sir for Irish - Karl Dickson, didnít do us many favours v Saracens ! IMO. (Sm128)

If memory serves, we didn't deserve any. He's a good ref.

Joe
You are right - we did not deserve favours. However, a couple of weeks earlier, Tony Spreadbury had told the BRSC meeting that there would be a clampdown on offside in the Premiership this season.

I saw no evidence of that being applied in the Saracens match and they undoubtedly gained from his laxity.

PG

Have there been any matches where offside has been clamped down on? Even if Sarries had been penalised in our match I'm not convinced we would have won anyway.

P G Tips
P G Tips
19 December, 2019 14:21
No we wouldn't OB- but after an announced clampdown Dickson's casual management of offside was more notable than most. In a competition where it has been the norm for years, that stands out.

PG

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OutsideBath
19 December, 2019 14:31
Quote:
P G Tips
No we wouldn't OB- but after an announced clampdown Dickson's casual management of offside was more notable than most. In a competition where it has been the norm for years, that stands out.
PG

I've watched a few non Bath PL games this season and don't recall any ref clamping down on offside. Could argue that the touch judge should really be spotting offside and alerting the ref, but the standard of touch judge seems to be very poor this season.

I do recall watching a champions cup game where the ref penalised both sides early on for offside and that was good to see.

Don't see Dickson as one of the worst ref's, although in the Sarries game I do recall thinking he really didn't like how our pack scrummaged. That doesn't bode too well for Sunday as it must be difficult for ref's to forget when they've penalised sides in previous games.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
20 December, 2019 11:58
BATH RUGBY TEAM TO FACE LONDON IRISH:

15. Tom Homer
14. Semesa Rokoduguni
13. Jonathan Joseph
12. Jamie Roberts
11. Anthony Watson

10. Rhys Priestland (C)
9. Will Chudley

1. Beno Obano
2. Tom Dunn
3. Will Stuart
4. Josh McNally
5. Elliott Stooke
6. Tom Ellis
7. Sam Underhill
8. Josh Bayliss

Replacements

16. Jack Walker
17. Lewis Boyce
18. Christian Judge
19. Matt Garvey
20. Rhys Davies
21. Chris Cook
22. Freddie Burns
23. Aled Brew



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
20 December, 2019 12:00
London Irish Team:

15. Paddy Jackson
14. Curtis Rona
13. Tom Stephenson
12. Terrence Hepetema
11. Ollie Hassell-Collins

10. Stephen Myler
9. Ben Meehan

1. Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi
2. Saia Faingaía
3. Olle Hoskins
4. Ruan Botha
5. Adam Coleman
6. Steve Mafi
7. Blair Cowan
8. Albert Tuisue

Replacements: 16. Motu Matuíu, 17. Allan Dell, 18, Lovejoy Chawatama, 19. Franco van der Merwe, 20. Matt Rogerson, 21. Nick Phipps, 22. Tom Fowlie, 23. James Stokes

Phipps on the bench and no Waisake Naholo is handy.



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P G Tips
P G Tips
20 December, 2019 12:14
Thanks Matt

Good to see Watson back earlier than feared.
Wonder when we will see Ewels and Louw?


PG

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
20 December, 2019 12:19
Iím not up on the LI team. Is that considered to be a strong line up & who are the main threats?

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OutsideBath
20 December, 2019 12:26
Quote:
P G Tips
Thanks Matt
Good to see Watson back earlier than feared.
Wonder when we will see Ewels and Louw?


PG

Agreed it's good to see AW back, but surprised to see him on the wing as he won't get the ball to have any impact on the game. At least at FB he'd get the ball occasionally.

SirBurger
SirBurger
20 December, 2019 12:27
Quote:
Bath Hammer
Iím not up on the LI team. Is that considered to be a strong line up & who are the main threats?

Irish fan here - the pack is basically full strength. Strong set of second rows and Tuisue is developing into a good ball carrier at 8 (although a little raw).

In the backs we are light in the back three, missing our two best wingers (Loader and Naholo) and so are going with a youngster and Rona (who has looked better at 13). We had hopes of either Parton or Veitokani breaking through at 15, but both have looked a bit frail so Jackson is playing there for the time being.

However, given injuries and lack of availability, it is a strong side and fans are fairly confident of a good performance.

Blue Brum
Blue Brum
20 December, 2019 12:36
if the so-called 'reset' button has been hit then this Bath team needs to go out and shows its true worth. the ability is evident and you would hope the experience the squad has can brings us the much needed win.

I cant say I'm hopeful as Bath have made me doubt the little belief I had left. we appear to be a collection of players rather than a coherent team with a coherent plan.

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OutsideBath
20 December, 2019 12:36
So with LI at full strength in the pack what is Hooper going to do without a dominant Bath pack to work with? Perhaps he might like to consider plan B for a change.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
20 December, 2019 12:38
With L.I. being really strong at home and Bath being awful away they have to start favourites, but hopefully the lads will come through after a week of soul searching.

COYB!



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ExiledChameleon
ExiledChameleon
20 December, 2019 12:39
Quote:
Bath Hammer
Iím not up on the LI team. Is that considered to be a strong line up & who are the main threats?

Our pack is very strong, with 1 & 7 the only two positions I'd say that you have the upper hand in (although Cowan has been amazing this year). Botha and Coleman are both very strong and very mobile players, while Tuisue is a ridiculously strong wrecking ball and DHA/Hoskins are very fit props.

Our backs are substantially more fragile with Loader and Naholo (two of the best wingers in the Prem) unavailable, causing us to shuffle everything about. You're pretty clearly substantially better in the back four (11, 13-15), and both times the ball gets past the Priestland-Roberts black hole I'd expect you to find a bit of space.

bardofavon
bardofavon
20 December, 2019 12:43
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15. pretty disgraceful really. this is what happens when you have a non english DOR. it's true that blackadder stuck with mostly english players, though i suspect that was more because craig wouldnt let him buy any southern hemp ones.

ballsout
ballsout
20 December, 2019 12:44
Very strong Bath team, much stronger than I expected. No excuses...

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
20 December, 2019 12:49
Is Mike Williams injured? I would have expected to see him on the bench over Garvey.



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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
20 December, 2019 12:49
If the re-set button has been pressed with Roberts and Stooke to the fore I can foresee a narrow win for Bath with those two scoring ! (Sm128)



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Spoonbender
MikeL
20 December, 2019 12:59
Quote:
bardofavon
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15. pretty disgraceful really. this is what happens when you have a non english DOR.

Very subtle, great work. Would've been far too obvious to point out Bath's abject failure to develop their own talent and reliance on plundering other clubs (primarily Irish), lovely ironic twist you've given it.

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FourSticks
20 December, 2019 13:00
Quote:
BardofAvon
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15

Traditionally, they're an Exiles team and should really comprise mostly Irish players. Still, it's been a long time since Londons Welsh, Irish, Scottish, French, etc were true Exiles teams.

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
20 December, 2019 13:02
Quote:
bardofavon
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15. pretty disgraceful really. this is what happens when you have a non english DOR. it's true that blackadder stuck with mostly english players, though i suspect that was more because craig wouldnt let him buy any southern hemp ones.

Well there is at least one Irishman ! (Sm128)



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ExiledChameleon
ExiledChameleon
20 December, 2019 13:12
Quote:
bardofavon
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15. pretty disgraceful really. this is what happens when you have a non english DOR. it's true that blackadder stuck with mostly english players, though i suspect that was more because craig wouldnt let him buy any southern hemp ones.

4, 5, 11, 13, 15. That's a 1/3rd of the team who are EQP LI developed players.

Florida
Florida
20 December, 2019 13:18
Quote:
bardofavon
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15. pretty disgraceful really. this is what happens when you have a non english DOR. it's true that blackadder stuck with mostly english players, though i suspect that was more because craig wouldnt let him buy any southern hemp ones.

It is a disgrace having just 7 EQP in the starting 15, we'd probably have a few more but injuries are a pain. On the plus side we do have half a dozen lads from our academy playing, sadly most of them are on your teamsheet.

SirBurger
SirBurger
20 December, 2019 13:27
Quote:
bardofavon
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15. pretty disgraceful really. this is what happens when you have a non english DOR. it's true that blackadder stuck with mostly english players, though i suspect that was more because craig wouldnt let him buy any southern hemp ones.

Really poorly thought through post.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
20 December, 2019 13:30
Quote:
ExiledChameleon
Quote:
bardofavon
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15. pretty disgraceful really. this is what happens when you have a non english DOR. it's true that blackadder stuck with mostly english players, though i suspect that was more because craig wouldnt let him buy any southern hemp ones.

4, 5, 11, 13, 15. That's a 1/3rd of the team who are EQP LI developed players.

Elliott Stooke is a bit of a squeeze isn't it? He played for Irish on loan about 5 times!

Still, I suspect that the initial post was a tongue in cheek fishing trip, which appears to have worked.

Good luck for Sunday - hoping for an entertaining game.



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Florida
Florida
20 December, 2019 13:49
Quote:
BathMatt53
Quote:
ExiledChameleon
Quote:
bardofavon
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15. pretty disgraceful really. this is what happens when you have a non english DOR. it's true that blackadder stuck with mostly english players, though i suspect that was more because craig wouldnt let him buy any southern hemp ones.

4, 5, 11, 13, 15. That's a 1/3rd of the team who are EQP LI developed players.

Elliott Stooke is a bit of a squeeze isn't it? He played for Irish on loan about 5 times!

Still, I suspect that the initial post was a tongue in cheek fishing trip, which appears to have worked.

Good luck for Sunday - hoping for an entertaining game.

When winding up my Bath supporting friend I always include Stooke, but its very tongue in cheek. I wouldn't really include McNally as a LI developed player either as he only really played a season for us given his terrible medical problem.

gaz59
gaz59
20 December, 2019 14:15
We should have the edge on the front 5 but they do have a very experienced back row. They probably have edge from the bench so if we play well it should be a very good, close game

But what is this name all about for a front row: Lovejoy Chawatama

If he's got the ball what do you call for a pass outside?

opti
Optimist
20 December, 2019 16:27
Luvvie?

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
21 December, 2019 00:01
Quote:
ExiledChameleon
Quote:
Bath Hammer
Iím not up on the LI team. Is that considered to be a strong line up & who are the main threats?

Our pack is very strong, with 1 & 7 the only two positions I'd say that you have the upper hand in
.

Clearly Exiled Chameleon thinks differently.

the new boy
LI Bohemian
21 December, 2019 00:12
Your expecting a pass off of a prop?

gaz59
gaz59
21 December, 2019 12:23
Quote:
Optimist
Luvvie?

Like that one Opti but how does the ref use that if he wants to have a word with him about something. As in ..

You must push straighter, Luvvie? or You've slipped your binding Luvvie?

Exile_Dave
Exile_Dave
21 December, 2019 16:45
Quote:
gaz59
We should have the edge on the front 5 but they do have a very experienced back row. They probably have edge from the bench so if we play well it should be a very good, close game
But what is this name all about for a front row: Lovejoy Chawatama

If he's got the ball what do you call for a pass outside?

LJ

warrenball
warrenball
22 December, 2019 07:52
Should be close but certainly a game Hooper must have marked down as winnable, let's hope we click and start scoring a few tries.

Ali1969
Ali1969
22 December, 2019 08:23
This is a big game not season defining but big. Watson back a lot earlier than reported I sincerely hope this is not a rush job, we as a club have history of rushing players back because we are desperate only for the player to then pick up a season ending set back.

Personally I think today is about our state of mind and the whether the team truly believe and have confidence in the game plan and direction Hoops wishes the team to go in.

I reckon Bruce will leave it 2 games at most and if we lose both I fear Hoops at least will be gone especially with Tigers showing real signs of improvement in terms of attitude, defence, belief and most importantly attack in that fist half they looked as threatening as any team this season,.

We have the team out today to-do a job and although nervous I am looking forward to the journey to Irish, I just hope I am still smiling on the way back.

Come on Bath.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
22 December, 2019 08:27
Sale looked very strong yesterday and Glos arenít easy at home so it we lose this one the Xmas / NY period is going to be painful I think, especially as Wasps and Tigers are showing some (admittedly short) periods of decent rugby.



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OutsideBath
22 December, 2019 08:41
Lose today and BC has to call a taxi for Hooper and probably Dempsey as well.

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Clarkey3k
22 December, 2019 09:12
I'll be there with a few mates and hope for a decent Xmas crowd to create some atmosphere. Does anyone know how many tickets have been sold? I am also hoping for a better match than the penalties only game which we won [9-6?] 2yr ago. One would think we have the pedigree to beat the newly promoted team but Irish have a v good coaching group, have made some astute signings and are going well so far. Forecast is for a dry day so good for running rather than kicking the ball, I am hopeful...



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
22 December, 2019 09:37
If this is to be believed then they have lowest attendance in the league and by match is is horrific.

[rd.premiershiprugby.com]

About 3000 against Quins, 3500 against Sale, 5000 vs Tigers.



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ExiledChameleon
ExiledChameleon
22 December, 2019 11:08
Quote:
BathMatt53
If this is to be believed then they have lowest attendance in the league and by match is is horrific.
[rd.premiershiprugby.com]

About 3000 against Quins, 3500 against Sale, 5000 vs Tigers.

Today should be higher than that. Itía hard to get people to separate with hundreds for what was likely to be a season getting slapped about before being relegated, especially given that weíre moving to somewhere else next year, which cut crowds in half more or less overnight.

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CoochieCoo
22 December, 2019 15:06
Try Obano



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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
22 December, 2019 15:06
Good start ! Obano 0 -7



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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
22 December, 2019 15:08
Watson !!!



Adopted Player 2018/19 Ross Batty
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CoochieCoo
22 December, 2019 15:09
Watson try



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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
22 December, 2019 15:17
Silly penalty from Sam, 3-12



Adopted Player 2018/19 Ross Batty
Adopted Player 2019/20 Jack Davies

"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
22 December, 2019 15:23
Roko !!!



Adopted Player 2018/19 Ross Batty
Adopted Player 2019/20 Jack Davies

"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
22 December, 2019 15:29
Penalty try ! 3 - 24. Bonus !



Adopted Player 2018/19 Ross Batty
Adopted Player 2019/20 Jack Davies

"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
FRIEDRICH ENGELS

dcsh
dcsh
22 December, 2019 15:30
Bonus point within 27 minutes! Great stuff.

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
22 December, 2019 15:32
Chudley ! 3-31 !



Adopted Player 2018/19 Ross Batty
Adopted Player 2019/20 Jack Davies

"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
22 December, 2019 15:33
Like the barbarians! Give Dempsey a rise!



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supermarinematt
supermarinematt
22 December, 2019 15:33
This is a very different Bath to recent matches

Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
22 December, 2019 15:40
Radio Bristol commentators suggesting that the pitch is firmer, giving the Bath backs a decent surface to play on?

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
22 December, 2019 15:45
Will Stewart is a brilliant signing



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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
22 December, 2019 15:58
Good to have Wayne Barnes insight for a refs view.



Adopted Player 2018/19 Ross Batty
Adopted Player 2019/20 Jack Davies

"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
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shipwrecked
22 December, 2019 16:03
Does look as though Hatley's work is becoming apparent. When JJ and Watson play together the seem to come alive, got to love the way JJ frees his hands.



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Montyuk
Montyuk
22 December, 2019 16:03
Both wingers scoring. I don't recognise this Bath at all... but I like them!



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Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
22 December, 2019 16:12
Bath hold Irish try up and secure turnover!

ken_jnr
ken_jnr
22 December, 2019 16:16
Not sure where that first half performance has been all year, but I very much enjoyed it!

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
22 December, 2019 16:17
Homer !!!



Adopted Player 2018/19 Ross Batty
Adopted Player 2019/20 Jack Davies

"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
22 December, 2019 16:18
Assist from Myler!!!



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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
22 December, 2019 16:27
Bath make changes and Irish score 10-38



Adopted Player 2018/19 Ross Batty
Adopted Player 2019/20 Jack Davies

"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
22 December, 2019 16:27
Even though Bath are 30 points ahead RPs first instinct is to kick away possession but im not sure why?



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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
22 December, 2019 16:34
Yellow for Judge for lifting over the horizontal , joint tackle with Boyce - bit harsh ?



Adopted Player 2018/19 Ross Batty
Adopted Player 2019/20 Jack Davies

"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
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Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
22 December, 2019 16:48
Tom Homer MoM!!

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