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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
22 December, 2019 16:48
GP Man of the Match. Tom Homer (Sm128)



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recman
recman
22 December, 2019 16:56
It has to be said that we have really, really laboured to get the ball over the line today, when we were in range. That worries me a little.

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OutsideBath
22 December, 2019 16:57
Didn't watch it, but the players must have put in a good shift so well done to them.. (Sm152)

supermarinematt
supermarinematt
22 December, 2019 17:00
Second half was not a great watch but with such a lead after that first half, to be expected. That first half was something to build on going forward. Forwards were in control and the backs strung a few moves together. Homer was excellent throughout at 15

TG Kesmo
TG Kesmo
22 December, 2019 17:10
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recman
It has to be said that we have really, really laboured to get the ball over the line today, when we were in range. That worries me a little.

Having said that they were patient and didnít lose possession. What was more interesting was that they actually chose to spread it through the backs instead of battering away and scored. First half display was much improved second not so but there were many disruptions due to Hias injuries and substitutions. The game seemed to become really scrappy later on but we were out of site by then.

P G Tips
P G Tips
22 December, 2019 17:12
That was the "Gizzit!" I was looking for!

Well done Bath. Enjoy Christmas and come back ready to do the same to Sale!



P G Tips



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Kidney Stone
Kidney Stone
22 December, 2019 17:13
Awesome team performance, Homer RP Stooke Chudders Stuart and Obano all stand out.

McNallys best game for us.

Why canít we play like this every week? Probably because the opposition were rather ordinary, Cowan aside. Still a good set of results for us this weekend. Need to do same next week.

Rokobilly
Rokobilly
22 December, 2019 17:14
Only saw the second half - had to follow the first online - and lovely to watch Bath without the blood pressure going through the roof. Far from perfect but much, much better. Just hope the injuries are not too bad. Need another W v Sale. In the meantime, Merry Christmas to all in the blue, black and white.

nigewing
nigewing
22 December, 2019 17:15
Must be Tomís new haircut 😀😀

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OutsideBath
22 December, 2019 17:17
What injuries did we get?

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
22 December, 2019 17:19
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ExiledChameleon
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Bath Hammer
Iím not up on the LI team. Is that considered to be a strong line up & who are the main threats?

Our pack is very strong, with 1 & 7 the only two positions I'd say that you have the upper hand in (although Cowan has been amazing this year).

I did think that this was an optimistic LI view...turns out it definitely was. The Bath front row did the same as they have been doing all year. Great performance.



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P G Tips
P G Tips
22 December, 2019 17:21
Quote:
OutsideBath
What injuries did we get?

See:

[www.somersetlive.co.uk]

Roberts, Stooke, Watson all seemed to pick up knocks.
Not sure how serious.

PG

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shipwrecked
22 December, 2019 17:24
Watson said he was fine in the pot match interviews, Roberts looked crocked to me, Stooke HIA I think.



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Long Term
Long Term
22 December, 2019 17:24
Well that can't be right!! Well done Bath, played with precision particularly in the first half, dummy runners running with intent, Roberts making dents, Priestland doing what he does best i.e. kicking huge distances the backs threatening, dominant starting front row, good set piece, tremendous defence etc. I now expect to be told one swallow doesn't make a summer, Irish are weak, 2nd half was poor etc etc. Still waiting to hear which Bath players are not committed when they go on to the field.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
22 December, 2019 17:36
Yes Roberts neck or shoulder definitely hurt. Is Willison back otherwise Wright at 12 and JJ at 13 I guess.



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Rokobilly
Rokobilly
22 December, 2019 18:10
Did Ellis pick up a knock too? Think BT commentators mentioned it in passing.

opti
Optimist
22 December, 2019 18:28
Sadly, arrived at (TV) at half time, all excited like. In isolation the 2nd half was dreadful quality from both sides. We drew it 7-7 with our try coming from a kick so bad that Myler might have been wearing plimsolls. The weekend seems to have indicated that not much has changed from last season. Sarries and Exeter in a class of their own. LI standout relegation candidates. Tigersí backs will keep them up. Us looking good for 6th or 7th.

Still, a weekend of 5 points for 1st team, a United win and U18s beating Sarries just means weíll carry on arguing whether itís signs of a strong foundation and a bright future, or more evidence of inconsistency.

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CoochieCoo
22 December, 2019 19:12
The game was won at half time and there were disruptions in the second half for injuries and the card as well as the inevitable subs. I am sure that first and foremost was to ensure no further injuries be sustained and secure our margin. If it had been closer I am sure the intensity would have continued but when your 5 tries up there is a tendency to ease up. So great that we kept them down to one score!



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B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
22 December, 2019 19:26
That will have done the players confidence a lot of good after heavy defeats. The analysis will take the opponents strength into account as they will have done after previous losses. Take stock, congratulate, move on.

I haven't seen the game yet but the key will be, are we improving? That is all that counts at this time. Looking forward to seeing the recording.

ilovebathtime
ilovebathtime
22 December, 2019 19:32
The most promising moment of that for me was rocos try in the corner where rather than keep going with the forwards we identified space and had the confidence and skill to go wide.

The first half was very good, and I am not too bothered about the second as the game was won.

You can only beat the team in front of you, but that Irish performance was probably the worst I have seen in the premiership since London welsh's season.

Next week will be a lot tougher. Hopefully we will have a few more players back for then, and can string some wins together.

TG Kesmo
TG Kesmo
22 December, 2019 19:56
Ellis and Roberts both had ice on shoulder injuries. Watson and Homer both had knocks which they seemed to run off. Watson confirmed he was ok in post match interview. Underhill had a HIA which he was said to have passed didnít return to the pitch as we were well up and precautionary approach was needed. So maybe only 2 new injury issues

Ali1969
Ali1969
22 December, 2019 19:59
Brilliant day, I am not going to bemoan the disjointed 2nd half, what we must do now is not get carried away and pat ourselves on the back thinking we have cracked it. We now need to back this up with a serious display at the Rec against a very strong Sale side.

You do have to question WHY it has taken til the end of December to show any attacking prowess.

Going to be a happy Christmas now..

Yellow Hammer
Yellow Hammer
22 December, 2019 20:28
I haven't seen the game yet as working all day. But is sounds as if London Irish definitely had some yellow hammer.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
22 December, 2019 20:48
That was a convincing team performance with not just wholehearted effort but also good application throughout the team. We can only beat the team in front of us & to gain a bonus point win away from home is never easy to achieve so credit to all involved. However , despite a spirited start to the season LI are a limited team & particularly so when missing some of their top players so letís not get too carried away. As has been said, the important thing is to follow this up with a home win against a much stronger side next weekend.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
22 December, 2019 20:56
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Bath Hammer
That was a convincing team performance with not just wholehearted effort but also good application throughout the team. We can only beat the team in front of us & to gain a bonus point win away from home is never easy to achieve so credit to all involved. However , despite a spirited start to the season LI are a limited team & particularly so when missing some of their top players so letís not get too carried away. As has been said, the important thing is to follow this up with a home win against a much stronger side next weekend.

Agree BH they were really terrible - worst team Bath have played for a long time. Great for Bath to jump above them and would be awesome if they continue to play so poorly for the rest of the season as it will mean that we donít have to worry. Sale played well and will be a level above what they faced today.



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Long Term
Long Term
22 December, 2019 21:06
Yes BH my enthusiasm at this win is, as you may realise, in response to the wall of negativity from certain posters who as per are missing after a win. Small steps but the value of confidence can't be underestimated in my opinion.

gaz59
gaz59
22 December, 2019 21:08
I reckon Ali and Bath Hammer are right here. But as big a critic of Priestland I have been today he was contender do MotM. His line kicking was immense, his defence very sound and general marshalling of others around him was spot on

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joethefanatic
22 December, 2019 21:35
Very, very good first half. Fluency in the backs, JJ looking interested, Rhys playing flatter (when not kicking it miles) and Tom Homer simply outstanding. But my MoM was Elliot Stooke (again). The forwards looked like they knew the plan and were prepared to be patient to achieve it and he was at the heart of that. Yes, Irish did not play well but they were 4 points ahead of us in the table at start of play so let's not get entitled ust yet. How about after we've won back to back Prems? I'd accept some arrogance then.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

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joethefanatic
22 December, 2019 21:38
I seem to detect an echoing absence of negativity on this thread. How refreshing.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

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shipwrecked
22 December, 2019 21:42
Can't argue with that really, Rhys Priestland was kicking a mighty long way from hand and was accurate of the tee. Its worth looking at the game again though, in terms of getting our back line moving Stephen Myler in his plimsolls did more.
We were lethal in pouncing on their mistakes and our dominant pack produced quick ball. RP fits the 10 man game but isn't the spark that gets our backs going.
Don't really care though can't get any more points than 5.



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
22 December, 2019 21:46
Quote:
joethefanatic
I seem to detect an echoing absence of negativity on this thread. How refreshing.

Hooper is terrible, Bruce is a hamster and Tarquin smells of elderberries. Slippers...spa...accountant...blah etc.

Happy?



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

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joethefanatic
22 December, 2019 21:48
Quote:
BathMatt53
Quote:
joethefanatic
I seem to detect an echoing absence of negativity on this thread. How refreshing.

Hooper is terrible, Bruce is a hamster and Tarquin smells of elderberries. Slippers...spa...accountant...blah etc.

Happy?

I can tell your heart's not in it, BM, but thank you for trying.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
22 December, 2019 21:52
Great day out in Reading! Superb performance and one of the few matches i can remember when I felt we were in control throughout so it was an oddly relaxing, enjoyable experience.

Obano and Dunn superb. McNally awesome and delivered his best BB&W (/yellow) game yet. The back row tireless and Bayliss was close to my MotM, making 20/20 tackles. Chudley and Priestland shaped and controlled the back 4 (inc JJ) were so dangerous.

Sure, they werenít great but, as Clermont did to us last week, we made them seem very ordinary.

Onto Sale. Massive home game. Canít get too excited after one good win but really looking forward to it now.

TomReagan
TomReagan
22 December, 2019 22:01
Agree BH they were really terrible - worst team Bath have played for a long time. Great for Bath to jump above them and would be awesome if they continue to play so poorly for the rest of the season as it will mean that we donít have to worry. Sale played well and will be a level above what they faced today.[/quote]

I've always liked LI since the days they played by Kempton Park so can't echo your sentiments bm53, particularly as it's very hard to compete in the Prem as a newly promoted side. I'm desperately hoping that they stay up and are able to play Prem rugby in their first season in their new stadium. I don't think we'll be relegated-we have these doomsayers every season--but think it would be good for the league if a 'big name' went down. If that's us, so be it.

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Clarkey3k
22 December, 2019 22:06
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ExiledChameleon
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BathMatt53
If this is to be believed then they have lowest attendance in the league and by match is is horrific.
[rd.premiershiprugby.com]

About 3000 against Quins, 3500 against Sale, 5000 vs Tigers.

Today should be higher than that. Itía hard to get people to separate with hundreds for what was likely to be a season getting slapped about before being relegated, especially given that weíre moving to somewhere else next year, which cut crowds in half more or less overnight.

Official attendance announced as c9,260, it certainly looked a good crowd and felt like it with the noise around us. Great day out...



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
22 December, 2019 22:19
[quote TomReagan]Agree BH they were really terrible - worst team Bath have played for a long time. Great for Bath to jump above them and would be awesome if they continue to play so poorly for the rest of the season as it will mean that we donít have to worry. Sale played well and will be a level above what they faced today.[/quote]

I've always liked LI since the days they played by Kempton Park so can't echo your sentiments bm53, particularly as it's very hard to compete in the Prem as a newly promoted side. I'm desperately hoping that they stay up and are able to play Prem rugby in their first season in their new stadium. I don't think we'll be relegated-we have these doomsayers every season--but think it would be good for the league if a 'big name' went down. If that's us, so be it.[/quote]

If you are Ďdesperately hopingĎ that LI stay up but are nonchalant about Bath going down, isnít that slightly odd as a Bath fan?



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

Beergoggles
Beergoggles
22 December, 2019 22:21
Well thatís Christmas ruined. The only thing those true BBW fans on this site can be miserable about now is the thought of Hooper whistling jingle bells with a spring in his step. Add in a post Christmas thumping of Sale and those true BBW fans will be inconsolable. I feel for those true BBW fans in these days devoid of gloom and despondency. I really do.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
22 December, 2019 22:24
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joethefanatic
Yes, Irish did not play well but they were 4 points ahead of us in the table at start of play so let's not get entitled just yet. How about after we've won back to back Prems? I'd accept some arrogance then.

I was not intending to be arrogant, far from it. I just reflected what I saw like many have about Bath this season. I actually have a lot of time for LI & feel embarrassed that we have poached so many of their best players, several of whom had a big impact on todayís outcome. Considering the difficulties they have faced they deserve great credit. I do feel, though, that unless todayís performance was just a blip, if they suffer the sort of player loss that we have suffered in recent years they will do well to survive but I really hope they do, though not at our expense!

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hemington
22 December, 2019 22:25
Eeyore must have found a nice thistle field somewhere.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
22 December, 2019 22:31
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Beergoggles
Well thatís Christmas ruined. The only thing those true BBW fans on this site can be miserable about now is the thought of Hooper whistling jingle bells with a spring in his step. Add in a post Christmas thumping of Sale and those true BBW fans will be inconsolable. I feel for those true BBW fans in these days devoid of gloom and despondency. I really do.

Thereís actually only 2 or 3 who meet that description Beergoggles unless you include those, including me, who voice any criticism whatsoever! Itís just that those comparatively few posts rather stand out.

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joethefanatic
22 December, 2019 22:32
Quote:
Bath Hammer
Quote:
joethefanatic
Yes, Irish did not play well but they were 4 points ahead of us in the table at start of play so let's not get entitled just yet. How about after we've won back to back Prems? I'd accept some arrogance then.

I was not intending to be arrogant, far from it. I just reflected what I saw like many have about Bath this season. I actually have a lot of time for LI & feel embarrassed that we have poached so many of their best players, several of whom had a big impact on todayís outcome. Considering the difficulties they have faced they deserve great credit. I do feel, though, that unless todayís performance was just a blip, if they suffer the sort of player loss that we have suffered in recent years they will do well to survive but I really hope they do, though not at our expense!

Hi BH, my comment was not aimed at you (or anyone else), it was intended as an observation on our tendency as supporters to swing to extremes depending on whether we've won or lost smiling smiley I was also pointing out that LI have been a better team overall than us so far this season.

Happy holidays (and after today, they will be)



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

warrenball
warrenball
22 December, 2019 22:37
Good performance, you can only beat the team in front of you and the backs showed more fire than in recent matches. A good start to this group of games, fingers crossed this may give the team more confidence in the next home game.

opti
Optimist
22 December, 2019 23:12
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ballsout
Very strong Bath team, much stronger than I expected. No excuses...

For those waiting for bo, the above is his regular strategy - it means his view is validated whatever the result. He'll be along to tell us that beating LI is meaningless unless it's followed up by several consistent performances (and he'll be absolutely right in that respect).

TomReagan
TomReagan
22 December, 2019 23:13
In response to Bath Matt, odd perhaps, but I still don't want our safety to be secured through Irish being weak all season. It's so difficult to stay up as a newly promoted side and if a long-established club, with all its advantages, finishes bottom they deserve to go down. It won't be us, but I really hope it's not Irish. The fact that we've had a few of their players is also a factor in my thinking.

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OutsideBath
23 December, 2019 07:45
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joethefanatic
I seem to detect an echoing absence of negativity on this thread. How refreshing.

The sole purpose of sport is to win and preferably hammer the opposition in the process, therefore itís not possible to be negative after yesterdayís result.

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joethefanatic
23 December, 2019 07:55
Quote:
OutsideBath
Quote:
joethefanatic
I seem to detect an echoing absence of negativity on this thread. How refreshing.

The sole purpose of sport is to win and preferably hammer the opposition in the process, therefore itís not possible to be negative after yesterdayís result.

But yet they persist.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
23 December, 2019 08:00
Of course itís not the sole purpose of sport (think we have disagreed on this before Ocool smiley otherwise you wouldnít get 40,000 people running the London marathon.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

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OutsideBath
23 December, 2019 08:25
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BathMatt53
Of course itís not the sole purpose of sport (think we have disagreed on this before Ocool smiley otherwise you wouldnít get 40,000 people running the London marathon.

Apologies, I really should have added IMO.

I'm still glowing after the win so clearly got over excited with my typing.. (Sm151)

Beergoggles
Beergoggles
23 December, 2019 10:08
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Bath Hammer
Quote:
Beergoggles
Well thatís Christmas ruined. The only thing those true BBW fans on this site can be miserable about now is the thought of Hooper whistling jingle bells with a spring in his step. Add in a post Christmas thumping of Sale and those true BBW fans will be inconsolable. I feel for those true BBW fans in these days devoid of gloom and despondency. I really do.

Thereís actually only 2 or 3 who meet that description Beergoggles unless you include those, including me, who voice any criticism whatsoever! Itís just that those comparatively few posts rather stand out.

I think the doom and gloom merchants know who they are Bath Hammer. Agree there are only a couple of voices but boy are they loud .. and repetetive ... over and over and over again.

gaz59
gaz59
23 December, 2019 10:52
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A bit OTT to describe Priestland's game management as "world class". He was very good indeed but let's keep some perspective

Bath Born & Bred
Bath Born and Bred
23 December, 2019 10:55
Yesterday I was sitting at the Madejeski with 19 other old uni friends from way back, for our annual reunion - as one BBW amidst a sea of Emerald (there were half a dozen neutrals/wasps/quins amongst us too) - we all had a good craic, I lived to tell the tale and am looking forward to welcoming them back to The Rec in March for some similar hospitality and a similar result!

Also, great congrats to Tom H on his MotM - an excellent performance, and far more inspiring than any of my old lessons at school on your Greek namesake!

Merry Christmas all!

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
23 December, 2019 11:05
Just watched the 5 minute highlights.

A few thoughts:- the Ellis pass for the Chudley try did look forward, some good dummy lines run by our backs, for Underhill's 'silly' penalty I think he was first man in from Bath so no ruck formed(?), was Mylers cross kick touched in flight hence falling well short? It had an odd trajectory, irrelevant maybe but just being fair to him if it was.

It's a bit late in his career for Chudley to change but if he could cut out the little skip before passing out from the ruck that would be a simple improvement (a la Peter Stringer).

Great to see some offloads, built on confidence in the scoreboard.

ChippenhamRoman
ChippenhamRoman
23 December, 2019 11:40
Views from the stand was our defence was rock solid. Many dominating tackles, hitting Irish back. Well set, fast line speed. Great aggression.

We didnít box kick at all in the first half, this showed. Have confidence to run and it will pay off.

Irish were poor in attack. Never had any creativity.

A good surface makes a hell of a difference. The Rec does not help us play to our strengths.

Also, running out of Guinness with 30 minutes to go. WTF?!?

This is London IRISH! Thatís like us running out of Thatchers at the Rec.

All in all a good day out. Also, free dodgems. Brilliant.

J

opti
Optimist
23 December, 2019 12:16
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A bit OTT to describe Priestland's game management as "world class". He was very good indeed but let's keep some perspective

I've still only watched highlights of the first half, but as far as i could tell most of our tries actually owed more to our 'defence' than to attacking with ball in hand. Nothing wrong with that at all. But it was a day on which everything went right for us (and god knows, we are owed a few of those), including key opposition players missing compounded by extremely disruptive and early in-match injuries, kind bounces of the ball, and those refereeing decisions that always go your way when you are physically dominant.

Hooper and the players' confidence will benefit hugely from us being removed from the relegation chat and scoring some tries, but dishing out 8s and 9s out of 10 to players for a 20-minute purple patch was a bit over-excited.

dannyf2
dannyf2
23 December, 2019 12:41
Positivity of the first half was fantastic. More of this please! Happy Christmas

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
23 December, 2019 12:50
Think you are being a bit harsh Opti! They played really well (against limited opponents) in the first half. Then the subs were made early in the second and that disrupted things quite a bit. If I have a concern is that there appears to be quite a drop off from the 1st front row (which is brilliant) to the replacements.

Iím not sure that Homer could have done any more - he did his job, made his tackles and catches and made loads of breaks and ran loads of metres.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

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hemington
23 December, 2019 13:07
Thought Jamie Roberts had the best game for a long time - shame he seems to have picked up a serious, arm/shoulder injury - he was holding it very gingerly after the game.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
23 December, 2019 13:17
Yes he did well. Their 12 had gone off injured and then the replacement also got injured which would have helped but his running and passing was really good.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

Barnoid
Barnoid
23 December, 2019 13:42
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BathMatt53
Think you are being a bit harsh Opti! They played really well (against limited opponents) in the first half. Then the subs were made early in the second and that disrupted things quite a bit. If I have a concern is that there appears to be quite a drop off from the 1st front row (which is brilliant) to the replacements.
Iím not sure that Homer could have done any more - he did his job, made his tackles and catches and made loads of breaks and ran loads of metres.

The disruption of losing Nathan Catt and Henry Thomas for basically the entire season likely hasn't helped here. I presume at the start of the season we would have been looking at both of those guys starting a good number of games.

Not meant as any kind of sleight to messrs Boyce and Judge, but being able to bring on two hugely experienced campaigners like those after 60 minutes would be a different story. Contrast it with last weekend over in Clermont where you look over at their bench with 20 minutes to go and see a guy like Rabah Slimani stretching out and popping his gum shield in. *gulp*

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
23 December, 2019 14:33
Spot on Barnoid.



[Adoptee 19 / 20: The High ball and counter attack meister, Tom Homer]

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shipwrecked
23 December, 2019 14:43
Remember Todd's attack when they have the ball, that was Sunday. Defence was very much our attacking weapon, aided by Stephen Myler's plimsols of course.



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opti
Optimist
23 December, 2019 15:24
Itís a perfectly fine and legitimate strategy and tactic SW. But itís worth keeping in mind that we wonít be meeting such a compliant side any time soon. Weíll also need the ability to frighten decent sides with ball on hand. Iím being harsh on this game, but Iím also a bit more forgiving than some when we lose. Neither of the Clermont games, for example, really changed my view as to where we are as a team. The two most significant games of the season have been Saints and Exe.

charlieboa
charlieboa
23 December, 2019 15:56
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BathMatt53
Spot on Barnoid.

Yep completely agree. Most frustrating thing about the stupid binning was it bringing back stuart into the fray when he should have been in cotton wool. V reliant on him and beno now

charlieboa
charlieboa
23 December, 2019 15:59
Tbf boyce/noguera and judge are v good third choice options. Just tough to effectively go a whole season without 2 of your frontline 'porp' options...

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hemington
23 December, 2019 16:17
Boyce and Judge have had very little time with Mr Hatley - he should be able to improve them surely (given a bit more time)

WestonLurker
WestonLurker
23 December, 2019 16:30
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Remember Todd's attack when they have the ball, that was Sunday. Defence was very much our attacking weapon, aided by Stephen Myler's plimsols of course.

I went to the Eddie Jones talk at Christ Church on Julian Road last month (I believe there was a second session the following day). There was, unsurprisingly, a discussion regarding the World Cup Final, what the game plan was and more generally how do you beat the South Africans.

As part of this Eddie asked the question: what is the best indicator for the winner of a rugby game? Suggestions from the audience included percentage possession, metres carried, clean breaks, etc. along with the usual wag suggesting points on the board.

Eddie's answer, and I assume it was backed by statistics, is that the best indicator is the team which kicks most is the winning team. Clearly the kicking has to be accurate, but the way to win a game of rugby is to give the ball to the opposition under pressure and in an area of the pitch that they don't want to play, and then hit them hard. So good tackling wins matches not just because the opposition don't score, but you do when you regather following the tackle or from the dash to the ball bobbling in space.

Possibly a bit depressing as we, I imagine, like to see the flowing three quarter moves and dynamic pick-and-goes from the forwards.

I didn't see the London Irish came, so only caught up on replay later, but I think all of Bath's tries stemmed from kicks of some description. On the other hand I did see the United game the previous day and Max Ojomoh's try from first phase (lineout) ball was the highlight for me.

It's easy to see how a DoR, possibly under pressure for results, might come up with a game plan to kick the leather off the ball (like Jack Charlton's Irish soccer team) at all opportunities. I'm thinking more Gary Gold here than either Backadder or Hooper.

opti
Optimist
23 December, 2019 16:53
I think most people would kill for the lack of success we had under Mike Ford when the type of kick we witnessed most regularly was the conversion.

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
23 December, 2019 17:35
On the basis that the opposition can't score points without the ball Eddie's answer has some risk I would say and is based upon having an elite squad. It won't work for every team. Play to your strengths, whatever they are.

If Hooper can turn our pack into a dominant force the rest of the tactics, with possession, become a lot easier. Execution is still required but at least there are options for 8/9/10/12 to choose from.

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hasta
23 December, 2019 19:29
The problem with Mike Ford's attack diamond was that is was an entirely one dimensional plan that had key person risk (I.e. only George could regularly pick the right pass in traffic). Quins worked out how to shut it down at the end of the regular season, Sarries obliterated it in the final and then the next season was a disaster with Ford trying to add to it with Matawalu and Burgess.

I would rather have a game plan where we make the right attack/kick decisions dependent on what's on the field in front of you rather than because it's pre-planned that you always attack from your own 10m. But whatever the game plan is it will only work if people know their roles and are comfortable with them. That takes time.

Yes we got humped by Clermont and Sarries and that sucks. Is our scrum looking better than last year? Yes. Is our lineout looking better than last year? Yes. Are our possession stats better, our ball retention? Yes. Small steps. Further to go. But a start.

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shipwrecked
23 December, 2019 19:58
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Yes we got humped by Clermont and Sarries and that sucks. Is our scrum looking better than last year? Yes. Is our lineout looking better than last year? Yes. Are our possession stats better, our ball retention? Yes. Small steps. Further to go. But a start.

Yes, Hasta small steps, the maul needs fine tuning and pod formation near the line is good but it needs to happen faster. Pack is looking much better which was always part of the plan.



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Boldangrey
Boldangrey
24 December, 2019 08:19
[quote WestonLurker][quote shipwrecked]


Eddie's answer, and I assume it was backed by statistics, is that the best indicator is the team which kicks most is the winning team. Clearly the kicking has to be accurate, but the way to win a game of rugby is to give the ball to the opposition under pressure and in an area of the pitch that they don't want to play, and then hit them hard. So good tackling wins matches not just because the opposition don't score, but you do when you regather following the tackle or from the dash to the ball bobbling in space.
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'Clearly the kicking has to be accurate, '

therein lies the key - plus a strong follow up.

ballsout
ballsout
24 December, 2019 12:35
Finally, a performance to be proud of. Proper handling too. What a treat. Canít remember the last time we put 80 mins of great rugby together. Now letís do the same against Sale, and put two good performances together. Then it might mean something...

JFPC
JFPC
24 December, 2019 22:19
Did a few Christmas wishes just come true!?!?



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27 December, 2019 17:43




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