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Eddie Jones has signed a new England contract
Discussion started by shipwrecked (IP Logged), 01 April, 2020 22:32
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shipwrecked
01 April, 2020 22:32
Eddie is on course to take us through to the 2023 Rugby world cup.

So more guessing who will be in the back row out of position, I wonder if Ben Youngs will still be at 9?



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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/2020 10:03 by shipwrecked.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
02 April, 2020 00:19
Of course he will with Tuilagi playing 8 minutes each game!

John Tee
John Tee
02 April, 2020 07:54
really really hope that is an April fool gag.

opti
Optimist
02 April, 2020 08:36
May or may not prove to be a good idea for England, but none of the other big jobs is going to be coming his way right now, nor anyone with anything like the RFU’s budget

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woodpecker
02 April, 2020 08:51
Not massively enthusiastic, but also doesn't feel like the right time to start over.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
02 April, 2020 13:15
People often forget that Clive Woodward said judge me on the World Cup..............the 1999 WC where we lost to Jannie de Beer's drop goals in Paris.

He was of course given another chance and Jonnie's (rather than Jannie's) drop goal delivered the WC in 2003

opti
Optimist
02 April, 2020 13:42
Eddie doubling down on his 'we want to be the greatest rugby team in history' bollox is a cracking start.

gaz59
gaz59
02 April, 2020 13:50
Had really hoped it was one of the rare and uncontroversial, April 1st jokes

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shipwrecked
02 April, 2020 13:55
Point is though, as always, Opti, Gaz ..... who is better to replace him?



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
02 April, 2020 14:18
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shipwrecked
Point is though, as always, Opti, Gaz ..... who is better to replace him?

Stuart Hooper.



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woodpecker
02 April, 2020 14:21
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Point is though, as always, Opti, Gaz ..... who is better to replace him?

Stuart Hooper.

(Sm6)

opti
Optimist
02 April, 2020 14:45
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BathMatt53
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shipwrecked
Point is though, as always, Opti, Gaz ..... who is better to replace him?

Stuart Hooper.

RFU could always be relied on to run off with our coaches. I just can't understand why that's not happening anymore.

gaz59
gaz59
02 April, 2020 16:38
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shipwrecked
Point is though, as always, Opti, Gaz ..... who is better to replace him?

Stuart Hooper.

RFU could always be relied on to run off with our coaches. I just can't understand why that's not happening anymore.

(Sm152)

annie blackthorn
annie blackthorn
02 April, 2020 16:53
Think they have missed a brilliant opportunity there.

Eddie is sooooooooo last year!

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
02 April, 2020 23:06
Wonder what the present England squad would feel about the appointment of Mr Hooper as England Coach?

Personally, I think he would be ideally suited to the role. Not having any international experience either as a player or even any success as a coach at club level, and probably at a fraction of what the RFU are paying Eddie, sounds real good sense to me and a decision the blazers would easily make and no doubt justify. Especially as we could then appoint someone much better suited to the role at Bath.

I think it would create a few incredulous remarks and much hilarity in the headquarters of the other 6 Nations sides and around the World.

Ah well, we can always dream.......



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sirtidychris
sirtidychris
03 April, 2020 08:13
I think this is good news, honestly who are we going to get at the moment who is better ? we were looking on track to win another six nations with only one, loss, he has won another couple of six nations, got to a RWC final. Robinson, Johnson, Lancaster have been good old england coaches but hugley unsuccessful in comparison. The selection thing is frustrating with no proper number 8, and no succession planning at 9, but it is with every coach (lancaster/Burgess/Cipriani, Robinson /Jamie noon/Allen, Johnson/Cipriani/FLood/Borthwick etc etc) . TBH i thought Eddie Jones was selecting a team to win the six nations and get another contract now he has a contract I would hope to see a wee bit more player development.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
03 April, 2020 08:20
England has a very experienced side but I think that we do forget how young some of those guys still are. Then there are the new guys that he has brought into the squad even this 6N such as Stuart and Furbank. As said above the only real issues are alternatives at 9, 8 and possibly a big crashing 13 for Manu? With Alex Mitchell and maybe Dombrandt I’m not even sure that the first 2 are that concerning? Finding the ‘new Manu’ or learning to play in a different way with Daly, Marchant or Slade at 13 may be the harder one to crack?



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hemington
03 April, 2020 10:28
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Wonder what the present England squad would feel about the appointment of Mr Hooper as England Coach?
Personally, I think he would be ideally suited to the role. Not having any international experience either as a player or even any success as a coach at club level, and probably at a fraction of what the RFU are paying Eddie, sounds real good sense to me and a decision the blazers would easily make and no doubt justify. Especially as we could then appoint someone much better suited to the role at Bath.

I think it would create a few incredulous remarks and much hilarity in the headquarters of the other 6 Nations sides and around the World.

Ah well, we can always dream.......

Yawn. Groundhog Day.

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shipwrecked
03 April, 2020 10:52
I have high hopes for Marchant on his return Matt.



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Dunno
Bod
06 April, 2020 16:55
Eddie indicating ongoing changes and development towards RWC 2023

"Eddie Jones has told England to expect a radical overhaul before the next Rugby World Cup despite reaching the final in Japan in November.

England fielded the youngest side in a World Cup final when they were were beaten 32-12 by South Africa.

However, the likes of current senior players such as captain Owen Farrell, Mako Vunipola, Jamie George and Jonny May will be into their 30s by the time of the 2023 edition in France swings around, with powerhouse forward Courtney Lawes and scrum-half Ben Youngs both having turned 34.

But rising stars such as Saracens back-row Ben Earl and Harlequins wing Gabriel Ibitoye will still be in their mid-20s.

Jones, who took over as England coach after their first-round exit at the 2015 World Cup, was unafraid to discard senior players in the run-up to last year's global showpiece in Japan, with the 60-year-old Australian ditching several veterans including former captain Chris Robshaw, scrum-half Danny Care and hooker Dylan Hartley, who had been captain and then co-skipper with Farrell.

Jones told the BBC on Monday the 2023 squad could feature a difference of as much as a 60 percent difference in personnel compared to the one he selected for Japan.

"I don't think this group can have another World Cup in them," said Jones, who signed a two-year extension to his contract last week to take him up to the end of the World Cup in France.

"While there will be core members of the team who will be able to continue to the next World Cup, there will be a new influx of members coming in."

Jones added he had begun the process of change during the recent Six Nations, which is suspended due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

England topped the table on 13 points, ahead of France on points difference with a game to play, when the tournament was halted.

"If you look at the squad this year we have changed it by 20 percent," said Jones.

"There will be another 20 percent change in the second year, and another 20 percent in the third year. That's how you get the growth in the team."

Jones, in charge of Australia when they lost the 2003 World Cup final to England, said the goal was to discover new talent and provide competition for those who are current first choices.

"You have to continually look for better players and players who can add value to the team," he said.

"We were the youngest team ever to play in a World Cup final, so if those players have the desire and want to keep working and improving then we are going to be in a good position because we are going to have a hell of a competition for spots."

© 2020 AFP


Pretty straightforward declaration of intent, and to be honest, would any of us think otherwise?



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opti
Optimist
06 April, 2020 20:09
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I have high hopes for Marchant on his return Matt.

Smart move by Marchant, given the residual SH-worship amongst SH coaches (Brad Shields anyone?)

If he can convince Eddie, on return, that he’s actually a Kiwi and but his grannie once bought something from Harrods on a short trip to England following the war, then he’ll be guaranteed 20 caps before anyone actually even worries whether he’s any good or not.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
06 April, 2020 20:12
It helps that he’s good though.



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shipwrecked
06 April, 2020 20:18
Cant remember the game but he cut a fantastic line against the play last season, then had a 30m run in to the line, I remember thinks, he's quick!



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woodpecker
07 April, 2020 09:22
So is the 2020 six nations still only postponed? i.e.. there is still an expectation that the last games will happen, obviously that would need to happen this year really.

Dunno
Bod
12 April, 2020 19:31
Sir Clive isn't too impressed with the extension and the lack of scrutiny on Eddie.

Why did England lose focus on 2019 RWC?


" Former England coach Clive Woodward has asked serious questions about the RFU’s recent decision to award Eddie Jones a contract extension through to the 2023 World Cup in France.

The Australian’s extended deal was confirmed on April 2 having been agreed earlier in the year, but England’s 2003 World Cup-winning coach has now questioned this renewal from a number of perspectives.

Writing in his latest dailymail.co.uk column, Woodward queried the timing of the contract extension due to the game being in lockdown because of the coronavirus pandemic and because Jones was initially contracted through to 2021 anyway.


“Everything seemed rushed and cosy to me,” he said.

He also expressed concern whether there was anyone within the RFU capable of asking Jones the really tough questions and properly scrutinising his decisions.

“It [the extension] came just as the coronavirus crisis was kicking in and the financial implications for grassroots rugby were becoming apparent. It did not sit at all well. With the game in lockdown, I don’t understand the timing,” outlined Woodward.

“Announcing that Eddie is to become the best-paid coach in history while other nations and clubs are on the verge of bankruptcy seemed insensitive, at best… that was a story that didn’t play out well in the current climate.”..............


It pretty much stinks of more RFU buffoonery - but I'm biased.

John Tee
John Tee
13 April, 2020 08:31
Me too....
RFU and buffons seem synonymous to me...
I think we will always be nearly men and the last RWC was an indicator....although i also think the Saracens thing had blown up in the squad by then which didnt help on that day...

opti
Optimist
13 April, 2020 21:08
'It pretty much stinks of more RFU buffoonery - but I'm biased right on the money'

fixed it for you, bod. Good to have you back, by the way.

Dunno
Bod
13 April, 2020 21:46
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'It pretty much stinks of more RFU buffoonery - but I'm biased right on the money'
fixed it for you, bod. Good to have you back, by the way.

Thanks Opti, it was good to catch up with you the other week - and many thanks to you and Combe Down RFC for supporting the touring Girls rugby players from Madrid at very short notice with a training session/ run out, albeit the weather was abysmal.

Take care fella!

smileys with beer

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woodpecker
14 April, 2020 09:55
The final seems strange after the semis. I still can't get my head around it. Just how England didnt look like winning it at any point in the game. Painful.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
14 April, 2020 11:49
Mmmmmhhh

Clive Woodward "judge me on the World Cup".

No not that one silly I mean the next one.............after the one I've just lost in the quarter finals.

K-Nut
Bod
09 June, 2020 08:42
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I have high hopes for Marchant on his return Matt.

Smart move by Marchant, given the residual SH-worship amongst SH coaches (Brad Shields anyone?)

If he can convince Eddie, on return, that he’s actually a Kiwi and but his grannie once bought something from Harrods on a short trip to England following the war, then he’ll be guaranteed 20 caps before anyone actually even worries whether he’s any good or not.

Marchant will hopefully learn a lot rubbing shoulders with Dan .


Marchant to stay for Super Rugby Aotearoa


"Marchant has labelled the competition as being “on a different planet” after moving to the Blues from Premiership side Harlequins for the 2020 season. Marchant, who has been capped three times by England, is on a six-month sabbatical with the Auckland club and has starred for Leon MacDonald’s side as they won five of their seven matches before the tournament was suspended by SANZAAR.

He will now have the opportunity to play alongside Dan Carter in the Blues’ star-studded backline."



(Sm160)

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woodpecker
09 June, 2020 08:47
Dan Carter is 38, I hadn't realised he was still playing

John Tee
John Tee
09 June, 2020 08:50
Yep, cant see that working out great tbh.
10, 5 years, maybe, sure, but now??

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shipwrecked
09 June, 2020 09:39
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Dan Carter is 38, I hadn't realised he was still playing

He recently stated that the break from rugby might extend rugby careers into the 40's!



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woodpecker
09 June, 2020 09:58
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Dan Carter is 38, I hadn't realised he was still playing

He recently stated that the break from rugby might extend rugby careers into the 40's!


Kerching!

K-Nut
Bod
09 June, 2020 12:20
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woodpecker
Dan Carter is 38, I hadn't realised he was still playing

He recently stated that the break from rugby might extend rugby careers into the 40's!


Kerching!

Indeed Woody, just think, when WR allow the use of specialist place kickers on the match squad he'll be knocking them over into his 50s

(Sm72)

John Tee
John Tee
09 June, 2020 13:27
What were his kicking stats...i never got the idea he was as good as Farrell as a kicker...or maybe i just recall he spannered a few, which even Farrell does, tbf. lol

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shipwrecked
02 July, 2020 21:52
Seems as though our Eddie might be investigating bringing in Hoskins Sotutu as a number 8 for England, he does like his SH players doesn't he?



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Clarkey3k
02 July, 2020 22:45
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shipwrecked
Seems as though our Eddie might be investigating bringing in Hoskins Sotutu as a number 8 for England, he does like his SH players doesn't he?

He did that with Brad Shields, look how well that worked out for him and EJ (Sm102)



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joethefanatic
02 July, 2020 22:55
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shipwrecked
Seems as though our Eddie might be investigating bringing in Hoskins Sotutu as a number 8 for England, he does like his SH players doesn't he?

I think you can be sure that Sotutu will be selected (and capped) for NZ, pdq. But he's not a Billy, he's much more in the mould of Zach, which suggests that Eddie has finally recognized the need for a Plan (no) B(illy). Curry's handling is good enough for a NZ style back row but I wonder a little about Sam's.



... IMHO, of course.

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ballsout
ballsout
02 July, 2020 23:12
Yep, it didn't work with Shields, so obviously he should never ever touch another southern hemisphere based player ever again.

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Clarkey3k
03 July, 2020 00:30
bo - you're alive, what a relief!! Mind you I haven't been on 'ere for a while (Sm100)



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John Tee
John Tee
03 July, 2020 08:23
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Seems as though our Eddie might be investigating bringing in Hoskins Sotutu as a number 8 for England, he does like his SH players doesn't he?

I think you can be sure that Sotutu will be selected (and capped) for NZ, pdq. But he's not a Billy, he's much more in the mould of Zach, which suggests that Eddie has finally recognized the need for a Plan (no) B(illy). Curry's handling is good enough for a NZ style back row but I wonder a little about Sam's.

Ive long thought we should plan for no BV. The older he gets the less durable he will be, imv. He has his injury woes now with being out for weeks at a time.
I think the balance is better with Underhill and Curry and maybe a more mobile 8. Hughes would have been perfect but he cant put club form together with England.
I think the future is Dombrant but Jones wants him to be less fatty, but at least the guy can run and catch.

Underhill can be so sublime for England, hope that continues but you really shouldnt play people who cant handle the ball.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
03 July, 2020 08:57
Is there much difference in body shape between Faletau and Dombrand?

P G Tips
P G Tips
03 July, 2020 09:09
Yes.
If their stats are to be believed,
Dombrandt is 1M 93 & 120Kgs (6'4" & 18 St 10)
Faletau 1M 87 & 113 Kgs. (6'2" & 17St 9)

PG

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
03 July, 2020 09:24
The thing about Dombrandt at the moment whilst still relatively young, is his acceleration and speed off the mark, which, with his power and handling ability, makes him a very dangerous player. Zach is very similar if not as big and powerful.

IMO, but obviously not EJ's, I would much rather have those attributes over B V who seems just a big lump to me without any particular ball playing skills.

Faletau was a better 8 than BV and more skillful and used to have the motor Dombrandt has, but since injuries, is not the force he once was which is a pity. I would not be sorry if he left and loosened up his salary for us to cover other positions.



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Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
03 July, 2020 10:18
Faletau is not leaving, in the current environment, until the end of his contract.

Maybe he will, with the lay-off get into really good shape and if he is not called up again for Wales, he could contribute to the cause in the way we know he can and hoped he would.

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The Bear
03 July, 2020 10:54
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Underhill can be so sublime for England, hope that continues but you really shouldnt play people who cant handle the ball.

Is there much evidence that Underhill can't carry the ball (I remember home putting Curry through nicely against Ireland?)

I know he looks like an orc and has the flexibility of Tom Youngs but we mustn't assume he handles like the elder Young's brother winking smiley



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shipwrecked
03 July, 2020 11:18
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Faletau is not leaving, in the current environment, until the end of his contract.
Maybe he will, with the lay-off get into really good shape and if he is not called up again for Wales, he could contribute to the cause in the way we know he can and hoped he would.

A fit TF will wan't only one thing, to play for Wales. To that end he will give 100%. Don't forget he had a storming game in his return from injury up until he re-injured himself. Zac and TF are pretty close now in terms of ability but even if Zac is first choice playing hime every game would soon blunt his game. TF is a real athlete I look forward to his return.



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Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
03 July, 2020 12:29
Three years to the next World Cup, new Welsh Coach.............I don't think TF will make the next WC and therefore to get to the 800 - 1,000 squad caps you "need" to win the WC they will move on from TF.

Which can only be brilliant for Bath

John Tee
John Tee
03 July, 2020 12:40
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The thing about Dombrandt at the moment whilst still relatively young, is his acceleration and speed off the mark, which, with his power and handling ability, makes him a very dangerous player. Zach is very similar if not as big and powerful.
IMO, but obviously not EJ's, I would much rather have those attributes over B V who seems just a big lump to me without any particular ball playing skills.

Faletau was a better 8 than BV and more skillful and used to have the motor Dombrandt has, but since injuries, is not the force he once was which is a pity. I would not be sorry if he left and loosened up his salary for us to cover other positions.

I agree, the games ive seen for Quins he has been a real game changing type handful. i didnt realise he was that 'heavy' which might mean Jones has a point...clean up the puppyfat..say, down to 113-115kgs and be even more scary quick for an 8.
What i most like about him is he displays proper natural skills as opposed to big guy, fits the role but then you have to work on ability..which is backwards, almost bonkers to me.

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
04 July, 2020 20:48
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ballsout
Yep, it didn't work with Shields, so obviously he should never ever touch another southern hemisphere based player ever again.

Did it work out with T'eo or Francis? He's batting 0 for 3 right now.

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
04 July, 2020 20:56
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IMO, but obviously not EJ's, I would much rather have those attributes over B V who seems just a big lump to me without any particular ball playing skills.

You've not been paying attention. England used him fairly often in a second receiver role in the RWC including a lovely miss two pass from him in the NZ game. He isn't as skillful as Mako but then quite a few centres aren't. I'm sure there are quite a EQP few backrowers with better "ball playing skills" but very few of those get within a mile of his impact on the field. Jones has been blessed with Mako, Billy and Manu quite often all three in games that have really counted. Take those out and we're going to need a very different gameplan, not that that's a bad thing.

I like the look of Mercer but I think his future lies as a very good club player. I'd be interested in seeing Curry (at 7) with Willis from Wasps and Dombrandt. I still think Billy has some miles in the clock but planning for succession is no bad thing and Curry isn't it.

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hasta
04 July, 2020 21:04
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Underhill can be so sublime for England, hope that continues but you really shouldnt play people who cant handle the ball.

Is there much evidence that Underhill can't carry the ball (I remember home putting Curry through nicely against Ireland?)

I know he looks like an orc and has the flexibility of Tom Youngs but we mustn't assume he handles like the elder Young's brother winking smiley

Do you remember him turning Beauden Barratt inside out?

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shipwrecked
04 July, 2020 23:00
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John Tee
Underhill can be so sublime for England, hope that continues but you really shouldnt play people who cant handle the ball.

Is there much evidence that Underhill can't carry the ball (I remember home putting Curry through nicely against Ireland?)

I know he looks like an orc and has the flexibility of Tom Youngs but we mustn't assume he handles like the elder Young's brother winking smiley

Do you remember him turning Beauden Barratt inside out?

My absolute favourite moment ! At 55 secs.





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sid the seagull
sid the seagull
04 July, 2020 23:31
Nail on the head Hasta, total skill and brain, made the All Black No 10 look like a donkey.
No evidence beforehand he could do that, just when it mattered. Am quietly confident that dropping a goal from 25m is in the locker too but hey why give away your tricks.
Now who said they doubted his ‘handling skills’ - do you watch rugby?

HOP

John Tee
John Tee
05 July, 2020 08:47
Not me...i said why play one but i think he is good enough to start.
I think his biggest problem is consistency..when he is great he is great...but can also be quite anonymous.

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shipwrecked
05 July, 2020 09:56
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Not me...i said why play one but i think he is good enough to start.
I think his biggest problem is consistency..when he is great he is great...but can also be quite anonymous.
Playing for who? He might not be on commentary but watch him play for England with no sound!



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opti
Optimist
05 July, 2020 10:52
The longer the media and punditerati press for Dombrandt’s selection the longer Eddie will ignore him.

I agree about moving on from Billy V - Tuilagi too. Build a game around a team that is not over-reliant on one-off physiques, so you can fit like-for-likes in when players gets injured.

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
05 July, 2020 11:34
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hasta
Do you remember him turning Beauden Barratt inside out?

Still not his best moment for me. The "flip" tackle against Williams who was for all certainty scoring for Wales was one of the most incredible things I have ever seen.

It would be fair to say that those two moments would make any players highlights reel but also that neither are typical of his play which is normally about huge workrate. I like him a lot but would prefer him or Curry rather than both in a balanced backrow.

I don't know if he's still with you but I thought that Ellis at 6 with Underhill at 7 and Mercer at 8 might work quite well for Bath.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
05 July, 2020 11:51
That 3 would be my preferred choice at present Old M.



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hasta
05 July, 2020 12:04
I really like Curry and Underhill in tandem on the flanks - workrate a-plenty. Creates the space for a carrying no. 8.

I think for a hard track Ellis/Underhill/Mercer is great (although Faletau at his best would have something to say about that). I think Mike Williams has been excellent and underrated since his move too. Tbh, any backrow combination of Ellis/Mercer/Underhill/Williams/Faletau/Bayliss is pretty decent, but not really a 'hard-carrying' style.


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