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DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
10 October, 2020 18:19
Ben Kay saying that is the most physical defensive effort of any team in any match this season by Exeter.

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
10 October, 2020 18:23
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Rawce
Well, there we go. Inevitable really.

Indeed, another Bath error and they score again 35-6 and I guess after 70 mins there is no plan B ?
Who is the leader on the field ? Stating the obvious again we need real control for the back line as Rhys is not the man huge waste of the talent in that line. Looking forward to next season (Sm128)



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BathSalmon
10 October, 2020 18:24
Think we have to say, we done Exeter, but also, well done Bath. We gave a good account of ourself at the end of the season. Something to build upon for next season (3 weeks time?!). This was one step too far, two team at completely two end of the spectrum of their development.

Congrats Exeter, completely deserve your win.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
10 October, 2020 18:25
Exe down to 14 for last couple of minutes as Joe simmonds hobbles off.
Bath mess up lineout again, 5m out. Frustrating.

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hasta
10 October, 2020 18:25
Our lineout and maul has been very disappointing.

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
10 October, 2020 18:26
Quote:
Dorset Boy
I'm struggling to think of a singe Exeter mistake. They have played superbly.
We've thrown everything at them and they've absorbed it all and returned it with interest.

Agree but they have definitely benefited from Bath mistakes !



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DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
10 October, 2020 18:28
Some days you just have to acknowledge how superb your opponents have been.
Bath played well, but that Exeter performance would have beaten every other side in Europe today.

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CoochieCoo
10 October, 2020 18:29
Our mistakes as well as not capitalising on our chances in the first half. Exe defence is phenomenal canít take that away from them!



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Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
10 October, 2020 18:31
Fantastic effort by Bath but they are better than us by some distance & I think most of us thought this was going to be the likely outcome.

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Rawce
10 October, 2020 18:31
Congrats to them, better in all aspects. Even if it was a red, I doubt weíd have beaten them. Weíll get there, maybe even next season. Very happy with how weíve performed since lockdown, just disappointed with the last couple of games. Exeter and Wasps will be a cracker.

Rokobilly
Rokobilly
10 October, 2020 18:34
Very proud of the team. Exeter set the standard. We nerd to meet it. Its been a great ride since the resumption and we have every reason to believe we can kick on from here.

Congratulations to Exeter - hope they do the double now.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
10 October, 2020 18:35
Iíll be very surprised if Wasps can stop the Exeter juggernaut. We did very well after the restart but we still would have ended up 5th.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
10 October, 2020 18:37
Literally the first (and only) mistake was when their prop dropped the ball over the line.

Funnily enough I don't feel too bad about losing.

We now know exactly what level we have to get up to to compete at the real top level .

Shorty Shorty iiv
Shorty Shorty iiv
10 October, 2020 18:37
Quote:
BathSalmon
Think we have to say, we done Exeter, but also, well done Bath. We gave a good account of ourself at the end of the season. Something to build upon for next season (3 weeks time?!). This was one step too far, two team at completely two end of the spectrum of their development.
Congrats Exeter, completely deserve your win.

Well said... Exeter are just an incredible rugby team. For years weíve talked about laying down building blocks for the future but never really got past the downstairs windows... Now the upstairs windows are most definitely in, itís time to get the roof on...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/10/2020 19:16 by Shorty Shorty iiv.

opti
Optimist
10 October, 2020 18:39
Swap 10s and weíd have been right in it.

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
10 October, 2020 18:40
I think that is a pretty fair picture of where we currently are. Pack performed for first 60 but reserves need to step up. Our replacements did not have the impact theirs did but we are behind in our academy development and hopefully they will improve.

In the first half, backs looked more cohesive and our game was more varied just need to incrementally improve to truly compete. Redpath adds something extra - we made chances early on but didn't finish them.

We are a much improved side from the beginning of the season. Now need to go up again. I think we do need to decide if we want to attack the breakdown or fan out and hit in the midfield.

Recycle a bit faster, hit the line harder and create a bit more belief. I am happy with the season - just there is more to be done before we are a regular top 4 team.

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
10 October, 2020 18:43
The final scoreline is harsh but I think there are positives to take from that.

A bit like Wasps its quite remarkable the progress you've made in under half a season and I think today what really showed is a team built over many seasons who know each other and the way they play really well are at a significant advanatge. If Bath can get some stability in coaching and personnel that could well be you in coming seasons.

All the best for the next season.

Long Term
Long Term
10 October, 2020 18:50
Pleased with the effort and spirit from the boys for the last 15 minutes. In old school parlance need to think of this in same way as losing to Pontypridd or Neath on a wet Friday night in the 70's in terms of development towards the side we were to become.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/10/2020 18:53 by Long Term.

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
10 October, 2020 18:55
Quote:
Optimist
Swap 10s and weíd have been right in it.

I thought Priestland had a decent game. Certainly don't think he was one of the players who didn't finish a try opportunity or gave up a penalty that gave Chiefs field position?

opti
Optimist
10 October, 2020 19:12
Priestland was fine. Simmonds is outstanding.

fatheralice
fatheralice
10 October, 2020 19:13
Quote:
Optimist
Swap 10s and weíd have been right in it.

That's an unbelievable take on the game!

The gulf between the intensity the Ex pack put on the game for 80 minutes v the 50 mins that Bath managed was so blindingly obvious, I'm amazed anyone can think just a change in the fly half would make the difference.

living up to your name I think, if you believe that just signing a new fly half will see Bath in the final next season!

dcsh
dcsh
10 October, 2020 19:16
Great win by Exeter, who very much deserve their place in the final, Iíll be supporting them to do the double.

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OutsideBath
10 October, 2020 19:17
Quote:
fatheralice
Quote:
Optimist
Swap 10s and weíd have been right in it.

That's an unbelievable take on the game!

The gulf between the intensity the Ex pack put on the game for 80 minutes v the 50 mins that Bath managed was so blindingly obvious, I'm amazed anyone can think just a change in the fly half would make the difference.

living up to your name I think, if you believe that just signing a new fly half will see Bath in the final next season!

Ah it didnít take long for the patronising opposition to come on to our site.

BathIron
BathIron
10 October, 2020 19:25
There were some really impressive performances today - Obano, Dunn, Faletau, Spencer, Redpath, RM to name but a few. Against a lesser defence we would have been rewarded for some great handling and spirited play. I remain optimistic for the new season. Rest up and let's go again!
Respect to what is a high quality, intensely physical, superbly coached and inspired Exeter team.

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
10 October, 2020 19:38
Quote:
fatheralice
I'm amazed anyone can think just a change in the fly half would make the difference.

Change of the referee to one who wouldn't bottle the call Hill might. Easily end someones career like that and there was intent as well as recklessness. I hope he gets cited. Doesn't deserve to play any more this season after that.

clalan
clalan
10 October, 2020 19:41
You rightly should be proud of your team, your only starting with a newish coach brought rightly from within the club. We Chiefs have been building since the championship, finances making us recruit forgotten players.
We were hammered by you guys in the early days, so it will come, steady belief in your coaches will help.

All the best for next season, you canít pick out any of your player to blame especially your 10, but pressure causes mistakes. So I will be stood behind the posts hopefully at your place next season. We will all go again, but all a litter wiser.

gaz59
gaz59
10 October, 2020 19:50
Quote:
Dorset Boy
Some days you just have to acknowledge how superb your opponents have been.
Bath playetred well, but that Exeter performance would have beaten every other side in Europe today.

Exactly. No disgrace there. We bossed the first 15 but couldn't get points on the board. Exeter's defence was immense and then when they engineered two opportunities out of nothing really to get into red zone the score is then suddenly 14 points up and we are struggling to claw back the game

from there all of our team played their guts out but Exeter had saved their best to this and I wish them well for their next two. They have set a very impressive bar for english league rugby. I doff my cap to them but we are not that far short. The final score was harsh. Build from where we are, recruit a top quality 10 and with a bit more strength on the bench and we will be close to the top

Hymenoptera
Hymenoptera
10 October, 2020 19:52
Quote:
OldMarovian
Quote:
fatheralice
I'm amazed anyone can think just a change in the fly half would make the difference.

Change of the referee to one who wouldn't bottle the call Hill might. Easily end someones career like that and there was intent as well as recklessness. I hope he gets cited. Doesn't deserve to play any more this season after that.
You cant red card someone for what might have happened. Intent or recklessness are a yellow card, which he received. He didn't make contact with the head or if he did, it wasnt obvious, and that was lucky for him.
You not liking it doesn't change the rules. As a Sarries supporter, do I need to explain the word "Rules" to you, they apply to many things both on and off the pitch...let me know.

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
10 October, 2020 19:58
Yellow was right call. Dangerous but impact on back not neck. Thought Pearce was very good - made some mistakes but given the speed of the game that is not surprising. Really good rapport with the players and no arrogance unlike Carley.

gaz59
gaz59
10 October, 2020 19:59
Yeah, it was close but yellow was the right decision

If Taulupe had his head about 3 inches lower it would have been straight red

Might seem tough but had Hill brought his left arm round it wouldn't even have been a penalty

A coaching issue

TomReagan
TomReagan
10 October, 2020 20:02
Quote:
Hymenoptera
You cant red card someone for what might have happened. Intent or recklessness are a yellow card, which he received. He didn't make contact with the head or if he did, it wasnt obvious, and that was lucky for him.
You not liking it doesn't change the rules. As a Sarries supporter, do I need to explain the word "Rules" to you, they apply to many things both on and off the pitch...let me know.
Sarries have been punished. Seems a bit harsh to say that dodgy financial practices on the part of the owners precludes fans from expressing a view on rugby matters! Time to get a sense of perspective...

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
10 October, 2020 21:28
Quote:
Hymenoptera
[You cant red card someone for what might have happened. Intent or recklessness are a yellow card, which he received. He didn't make contact with the head or if he did, it wasnt obvious, and that was lucky for him.
You not liking it doesn't change the rules. As a Sarries supporter, do I need to explain the word "Rules" to you, they apply to many things both on and off the pitch...let me know.

Lets start with the simple stuff, in rugby we have Laws not "Rules"
In Quins/Wasps game Luke Pearce red carded Elia Elia for exactly that, what might have happened, rather than what did happen. He said that had Robson not put his hands out he would have landed on his head. Given Faletau lowers his head slightly before contact I don't think its a stretch to suggest the same there and that's on the basis that there was no actual contact which I think you'd want a few more angles to be confident of.

Anything else you need explained, you witless moron, please let me know.

Big Chief Little Chief
Big Chief Little Chief
10 October, 2020 22:12
"witless moron" What a gent you are!
Regarding the Incident, it was a yellow, although not much in it! Even Bath fans mostly agree. No idea why you sarries fans seem to blame chiefs for your predicament.

Well played though Bath, you cannot fault your players effort. Not many teams make us work that hard. A few additions, and a whole year of Hooper/ Hately and I think you'll be pushing for a home semi next year, with crowds hopefully.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
10 October, 2020 22:27
Quote:
gaz59
from there all of our team played their guts out but Exeter had saved their best to this and I wish them well for their next two. They have set a very impressive bar for english league rugby. I doff my cap to them but we are not that far short. The final score was harsh. Build from where we are, recruit a top quality 10 and with a bit more strength on the bench and we will be close to the top

I think the gap is somewhat bigger than you indicate & wonít be entirely rectified by a new 10, though it would help despite RP not having played at all badly. I think you have to look at performances by our respective clubs over an entire season & that tells a different story. Exeter have seemingly reached the level of Sarries who will no doubt return without having lost a great deal performance wise. We are one of a number chasing them & we need to firstly get ahead of Wasps, Bristol & Sale before starting to bridge that gap.

warrenball
warrenball
10 October, 2020 22:37
The difference was as there game went on Exeter got stronger as Bath weakened. No great surprise it happened to Toulouse but it is an area we have to consider if we want to compete with the big boys. Well played Exeter who I think will beat Wasps.

EXDJ
EXDJ
10 October, 2020 22:37
Quote:
OldMarovian
Lets start with the simple stuff, in rugby we have Laws not "Rules"
In Quins/Wasps game Luke Pearce red carded Elia Elia for exactly that, what might have happened, rather than what did happen. He said that had Robson not put his hands out he would have landed on his head.

Just to clarify, for the Elia Elia offence, it would have been a perverse result for Robsonís actions (ie cushioning his fall) to reduce Eliaís sanction. Otherwise you are creating a strange incentive for players not to try to protect themselves in the interests of getting the offender more harshly punished. But that is an exception.

The offences under the laws are judged by results (and then some adjusted by intent - deliberate/accidental/reckless) rather than hypothetical, ie what happened, or in this case where was contact made? Like the recent Farrell red - he clocks the lad in the head. If the Wasps player had been running more upright, contact would have been on or slightly below the shoulder. But the ďwhat ifsĒ are irrelevant. Because outside the exception above itís absolutely impossible to try to judge offences on the grounds of what might have happened - ďwell he leads with his shoulder and doesnít make contact with anyone, but we have to judge that on the basis that someoneís head could have been thereĒ?

Kidney Stone
Kidney Stone
10 October, 2020 22:45
Exeter were different gravy.

Bath played ok but were simply not good or inventive enough to get over the line.

I thought the ref was fine right through.

Well played Chiefs.

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
10 October, 2020 22:56
ďwell he leads with his shoulder and doesnít make contact with anyone, but we have to judge that on the basis that someoneís head could have been thereĒ
If that's your example then I think we can agree he most certainly made contact. We also know it was reckless and illegal as there was no attempt to wrap the arm. The only question is what colour card and that's determined by contact.
Isn't that exactly what Pearce is saying with Elia Elia and Robson? "he tip-tackled him and whilst he didn't land on his head he could have so I'm going to red card him"
That's inconsistent for me EXDJ. Pearce is determining contact based on what could have happened where it not for the impacted players actions. Same deal should apply for Hill.

It'll be interesting to see if they have any other angles.

wetside
wetside
10 October, 2020 23:02
Lost to a superb team who put in an almost faultless 80 minute shift. Proud of our improvement/ achievement this season. We can approach the next season with some confidence. Yes we have to improve some to beat Exeter but the other 10 we can handle. Just hope we can watch live rugby at some point in20/21.

EXDJ
EXDJ
10 October, 2020 23:16
Quote:
OldMarovian
ďwell he leads with his shoulder and doesnít make contact with anyone, but we have to judge that on the basis that someoneís head could have been thereĒ
If that's your example then I think we can agree he most certainly made contact. We also know it was reckless and illegal as there was no attempt to wrap the arm. The only question is what colour card and that's determined by contact.
Isn't that exactly what Pearce is saying with Elia Elia and Robson? "he tip-tackled him and whilst he didn't land on his head he could have so I'm going to red card him"
That's inconsistent for me EXDJ. Pearce is determining contact based on what could have happened where it not for the impacted players actions. Same deal should apply for Hill.

It'll be interesting to see if they have any other angles.

Nope - with Elia Elia the contact and action from him is clear. The ref takes the victimís actions (ie trying to cushion their fall) out of the equation because (for policy reasons) that shouldnít affect the result. Itís a very narrow situation where itís perfectly possible to make that analysis.

Meanwhile here Faletauís actions are irrelevant. It is a strict liability offence - the only pertinent question (which Pearce and Barnes examines at length) is whether contact is made with the head or not Just like with Farrell. Potential danger doesnít enter the equation and it would make the refís job impossible if it did.

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joethefanatic
10 October, 2020 23:39
Individually, I thought all our players did fine (and I thought Cam Redpath was outstanding) but we were well beaten by the better team.

The encouraging thing is that the difference on the field between us and what is certainly the best team in England was not huge and can be addressed through training and experience. But I *do* think we still lack an on-field personality to shape things in the heat of battle (as it were).

Given where we were at the start of the season, this has been a massive step forward for us and I hope to see more progress in the very near future.

My MotM - Cam Redpath

FWIW, I thought the Jonny Hill card should have been a red. One of the reverse tv angles clearly showed the initial shoulder contact was with the back of Taulupe's neck. TBH I don't think it would have changed the result.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/10/2020 01:12 by joethefanatic.

CullyChief
CullyChief
11 October, 2020 00:36
Quote:
OldMarovian
Chiefs are a horribly cynical team and you're doing brilliantly without your scrum giving you the platform. Shame that Redbath and Stuart didn't manage to finish the opportunities you created.
Would be good to see some more of Coka and McC to complement what we're seeing of Watson.
Hill very lucky to not be given red.

Fantastic stuff Old Marovian, thanks for that! Just come over to the Bath board to see what they think of our match to find Exeter being called Ďhorribly cynicalí by a Saracens fan! Brilliant, thanks for a great laugh.

charlieboa
charlieboa
11 October, 2020 08:05
Interesting, if slightly frustrating game to watch.

Think it will a good experience for the squad to understand the level of accuracy, physicality and fitness that is needed to challenge for trophies.

Exeter are a few years further down a path that i feel we are at least on now. Dont think major changes are needed in the coaching set up or playing squad.

In terms of the actual game my frustrations were:
Not finishing big line breaks from redpath and faletau
Dropped kick off
Not scoring at least one try when hill was binned
Inaccuracy when camped on their line
Walker underthrowing several times when he came on

Not a disastrous showing but you cant do that many things wrong against a top top side and come out on top.

charlieboa
charlieboa
11 October, 2020 08:10
On the plus side i think redpath looks a serious player. Class act. People need to start tracking him better cos he will create things.

Also thought likes of dunn, mcnally, faletau, watson and rmc stood up to the challenge well.

As a 23 on paper i think the clubs are fairly well matched. We just need to catch up everywhere else. I am v interested in the concept of NTR (no talent required) and how important it is. Would i want woodburn back in place of our back 3- nope. Did his 3 dominant tackles in 5 seconds epitomise exeter- yep

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
11 October, 2020 08:35
Fair play to them. We woz well beaten by one of hell of a team. Their accuracy and intensity really is quite something and it feels like theyíre hitting a peak. The way they switch their attack on in the oppo 22 is pretty awesome, with everyone knowing their roles and great pace being put onto the ball at every breakdown before they then churn it out when they get to less than 5m. Awesome rugby. Something to aspire to. And Simmonds is ahead of Ford imho.

For us, well, on another day we couldíve scored a few tries, been within a score and still had the energy and belief to make a game of it in the last quarter... McCon near try, Stuart try disallowed, yellow or red card, our exits and line outs being as poor as theyíve been for a while... we fluffed the big moments or they went against us and they hardly made a mistake, either in attack or defence.

Lots to learn. And if we stick at it and stay on this path, in a year or two we should be a lot closer. Would also be nice to have that home semi final, and I think, on our day, all other 10 sides are beatable.

What fun Restart has been. Well done to all the squad and management and I canít wait for next season.

charlieboa
charlieboa
11 October, 2020 08:45
Quote:
hasta
Why is Spencer line kicking?

I assumed rhys was carrying/picked up a knock.

We never went to him to clear from the 22 either and he has a huge range and is a great option alongside spencers box kicking.

Strange.

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
11 October, 2020 08:52
Yes, Rhys not kicking the line was a big problem both for exits and for penalties. Mustíve been carrying some sort of knock. His right knee was heavily strapped.

Shines a light on our thinness at 10, not that I thought Rhys actually played badly at all. Just a shame we didnít have the length of his line kicking for our most important game of the season.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
11 October, 2020 09:06
I think Rhys tweaked his knee when he kicked our first penalty. If you watch it again he seems to limp immediately after.

Beergoggles
Beergoggles
11 October, 2020 09:06
Exeter are a relentless machine and hugely impressive to boot. However I donít think the gap is as wide as the scoreline suggests. Once theyíd survived the Bath onslaught the inevitable change of mindset took the pressure of Exe and imposed the resignation on Bath. If Bath had closed the gap early second half a very different game would have played out.

dannyf2
dannyf2
11 October, 2020 09:15
Exeter fantastically efficient. So ruthless. Fair play to them - they look every bit champions.

We were good!
...but not good enough.... Little things... What if McC gets that ball down for a try in the corner? What if Ellis doesn't drop that restart? What if Stuart doesn't run in to Underhill? What if Faletau stays down after the Hill no-arms tackle (sorry, this is professional sport)? What if Faletau spots Hogg going for the intercept, dummies and goes under the posts? What if Walker hits his line outs?...

These are the small margins that make championship teams. Reflect and improve - I honestly think this Bath team has what it takes, if we really want it.

charlieboa
charlieboa
11 October, 2020 09:33
Dannyf/beergoggles- completely agree.

There were lots of little things we just got slightly wrong. Playing in games like last week and this week will help us be more accurate under pressure in big games hopefully. We fell short in both games but sure learnings have been taken.

The jonny hill incident was a v close call and personally thought the contact was with the neck but glad to be honest it was only yellow. It feels slightly too easy to get sent off recently and generally ruins the game (completely appreciate it coming from a place of needing to make the game safer and protect players). We had chances to score a few tries when he was off but weren't accurate enough.

You have to admire exeter and i have huge amounts of time for baxter-class act. Fear that the prem final may be one games too far for them but back them to win europe next week.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
11 October, 2020 09:33
Tad more clinical we would have gone in at half time 14 - 13.

However even after only 20 minutes I said they will finish us in the last 20.

Need more intensity for 80 minutes

charlieboa
charlieboa
11 October, 2020 09:37
Quote:
Dorset Boy
I think Rhys tweaked his knee when he kicked our first penalty. If you watch it again he seems to limp immediately after.

Thanks DB, makes sense.

As drbath says it does highlight our lack of options at 10. Rhys played well i thought but realistically we had no option but to keep him on whilst crocked anyway.

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shendy
11 October, 2020 09:40
Quote:
Rawce
You could see all the sponsorship on Faletauís back. How is that not on his neck? TMO clearly thought it was, hence suggesting multiple replays.

That was exactly my thinking - you could still see "Thatchers" on the back of his shirt, and look where that is on everyone else's. Impact was therefore on the back of the neck, which is hugely dangerous. I expect that'll get cited - but I don't think it would have changed the result.

charlieboa
charlieboa
11 October, 2020 09:46
As i say glad he wasnt sent off despite thinking he prob should have been to the letter of the law.

I seem to be in the minority who think it would have made a huge difference. We were firmly on top during the sin bin period. Any team would struggle to cope for over a half down to 14, esp if that man is an in form, highly influential tight 5 forward.

Glad it didnt come to that, always feel the game is tainted by a red, esp one where its a controversial/tight call.

charlieboa
charlieboa
11 October, 2020 09:52
Any thoughts on JJ?

There is a class act in there still somewhere but has been a bit off colour for a few seasons for me. Our style hasnt helped him much but a few breaks by others yest i thought he could have fed off.

I would have personally kept homer, offloaded clark/wright and developed tdg as a 13 to compete for the shirt. He is under no pressure at all as even off form he is way better than our other options.

I think will muir could make a good 13- played all his 15s in the midfield. Will take a little bit of time even if he transfers across as well as rmc.

I don't knock JJ's attitude, he seemed to want to get on the ball, even as first receiver at times....just doesn't seem to be happening for him for whatever reason.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
11 October, 2020 09:56
Well played Exeter. Although we did contribute mightily to an occasion very well refereed by a decisive, clearly communicating Luke Pearce, even if Hill had been sent off(and I believe it was the right decision, reckless yes but no head contact), we probably would have still lost. We were simply not good enough and they showed the standards we need to consistently attain to match them.

I thought some of our guys were really good, Ruaridh, Redpath, Watson, JJ (best game for months), but our basic skills let us down at vital moments. However, the club are in a much better position than we were 12 months ago and for that I congratulate the coaches and players. In recent weeks, we have shown distinct improvements which hopefully we will build on next season and seasons after that. We are realistically 2/3 seasons away from matching Exeter, Saracens, Wasps and Bristol, but there are green shoots of hope.

Come on you Bath.



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Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
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charlieboa
charlieboa
11 October, 2020 09:59
Should give JJ credit for that left hand bullet long pass that nearly made a try. As i say he is class and huge amount of time for him.... just think we could get more out of him somehow

jameswood14
Woodpecker
11 October, 2020 10:33
Nothing to be ashamed of they really are incredibly good and I believe/hope without cheating on the Cap.

They should beat Wasps but that other final may even things up a bit.

Itís been fun, really looking forward to next year.

Ali1969
Ali1969
11 October, 2020 10:33
First and foremost well played Exeter. I personally think that was the most clinical and professional performance I have seen from a club side, even more so than Saracens at their best, they truly are a great side and I think Wasps will struggle to get the freedom to play their expansive game against this Chiefs side, just can only see one winner providing Chiefs don't pick up too many injuries next week or over celebrate which won't happen with Baxter overseeing.

I personally think we played really well in parts and tested Chiefs but what was so disappointing for me was again once we got into the 22 we became like rabbits in headlights when faced with such defence and it was our seasoned internationals who were mainly the culprits.

Redpath looks a real prospect and had another great game, Joe C did not look fit and for me that Gamble did not pay off at all. JJ bar that pass looked slow.

Overall personally I didn't think the score until the last 10 minutes of the match actually reflected the match and that is credit to us and the clinical Chiefs. Good performance from the officials apart from allowing Chiefs to slowly move away from the tackle area and the offside line.

Really good match, we are definitely on the yellow brick road but we still have a long way to go, but really promising and looking forward to the new season, still need to tie down that 10 though.

Jehovas Sandals
Jehovas Sandals
11 October, 2020 10:39
Chief fan here......firstly Iíd like to apologise for any derogatory or snippy comments made by any of ours.
Secondly I thought you contributed immensely to a very entertaining game and yes of course Iím glad we won but I think it was down to us going the full 80 and with a ruthless attitude.
Score line may have flattered us a bit but we were immense defensively which in itself should give you great optimism for next season.
I thought Watson and Redpath were brilliant for you.
All the best for next season



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charlieboa
charlieboa
11 October, 2020 10:50
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Jehovas Sandals
Chief fan here......firstly Iíd like to apologise for any derogatory or snippy comments made by any of ours.
Secondly I thought you contributed immensely to a very entertaining game and yes of course Iím glad we won but I think it was down to us going the full 80 and with a ruthless attitude.
Score line may have flattered us a bit but we were immense defensively which in itself should give you great optimism for next season.
I thought Watson and Redpath were brilliant for you.
All the best for next season

Thank you, good post. Not sure the score flattered you....very much like bath in the 80s and 90s....if you can go full throttle for 80 you deserve the late scores.

Agree your defence was insane. We tried most things but with little joy.

Redpath and watson two of the stand outs as you say. I look forward to us playing a bit more of a rounded game more often next season so we get the ball in their hands on our own terms more often.

Good luck over the next few weeks, i think wasps will cause you problems as very hard physically and mentally to show up each week but imho you deserve the double.

bardofavon
bardofavon
11 October, 2020 13:05
stats from the game.

[www.espn.co.uk]

BBandW
BBandW
11 October, 2020 13:42
Ironically I thought we played rather well - it's just that Exeter are very, very good.

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OutsideBath
11 October, 2020 13:50
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BBandW
Ironically I thought we played rather well - it's just that Exeter are very, very good.

Unfortunately though the final score would suggest we aren't closing the gap to be real challengers very quickly.

9215
9215
11 October, 2020 14:45
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bardofavon
stats from the game.
[www.espn.co.uk]

A lot of those stats, aside from the scores, are pretty even.

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shipwrecked
11 October, 2020 15:05
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9215
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bardofavon
stats from the game.
[www.espn.co.uk]

A lot of those stats, aside from the scores, are pretty even.

Yes, very true, Hooper will be unhappy with line breaks though.



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dcsh
dcsh
11 October, 2020 16:21
If this was a transitional/rebuilding season I think it has been pretty successful, if we can incrementally build on this as our young players develop things look very promising.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
11 October, 2020 22:56
I hope the Ex v Wasps game is a great match and in these awful times a really good spectacle with a narrow win by Exeter who I think need to put the injustice of the last few years to bed.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
11 October, 2020 23:30
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We are realistically 2/3 seasons away from matching Exeter, Saracens, Wasps and Bristol, but there are green shoots of hope.
.

I donít see how you can compare teams based on some form of seasonal increments & I think there is still a big gap between Exeter & Sarries and Bristol & Wasps, who if I remember rightly were languishing badly last season & have made very rapid progress. I think we can do the same if we can address the weaknesses in our back line . Exeter & Sarries (subject to a one year hiccup) are outstanding & itís not at all certain that we will ever reach that standard, nor Wasps & Bristol. I still donít understand how Exeter have done so amazingly well after promotion. They were unreal on Saturday. We also cannot discount other teams joining the party. Leicester wonít be absent for long.

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joethefanatic
12 October, 2020 01:34
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Bathovalballer
We are realistically 2/3 seasons away from matching Exeter, Saracens, Wasps and Bristol, but there are green shoots of hope.
.

I donít see how you can compare teams based on some form of seasonal increments & I think there is still a big gap between Exeter & Sarries and Bristol & Wasps, who if I remember rightly were languishing badly last season & have made very rapid progress. I think we can do the same if we can address the weaknesses in our back line . Exeter & Sarries (subject to a one year hiccup) are outstanding & itís not at all certain that we will ever reach that standard, nor Wasps & Bristol. I still donít understand how Exeter have done so amazingly well after promotion. They were unreal on Saturday. We also cannot discount other teams joining the party. Leicester wonít be absent for long.

They are unreal but also very... ummm, how do I put this?... streetwise. There was a lot of off the ball blocking and holding going on all game which was not picked up. It's all part of the skills but they are no angels. All the top teams do this, we did, the Tigs were notorious for it, Salaries took it to an art form. When we've learned to do it again, we will be contenders.

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hasta
12 October, 2020 08:30
Exeter have done fantastically well because they've built season-on-season. Sarries also did this, and Bris look similar. Wasps it remains to be seen, they look spectacular (but then so did Glaws and Saints).

We're definitely going down the incremental improvement and I'm absolutely in favour of it, it's much more likely to be effective. But we need to see improvement in structured attack, mental-focus and 80-minute games.

opti
Optimist
12 October, 2020 13:04
Slightly off-topic, but I think the topic is running out of steam anyway ... but this is interesting:

What Exeter really think of Saracens

.... and especially the Don Armand/Nic White anecdote about Billy Vunipola, who

The confrontation was significantly inflamed, according to the home players, by a comment directed at White by Billy Vunipola.

"....you then hear a Saracens player telling Nic White: ĎUnlucky, you havenít got a Premiership winnerís medal,í that sticks in the craw. Thatís what some of their lads were saying. They were rubbing in the fact they were quite happy to cheat to win titles. If people had experienced that, they would really understand what it has been like."

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shipwrecked
12 October, 2020 13:23
I have sympathy for Exeter's point of view, for me those titles are tainted. I think they should be annoted in some way otherwise it makes a farce of the records.

That type of goading stems from a coaches/management attitude. Clearly Sarries have abandoned a fundamental cornerstone of 'Rugby Union' sportsmanship if that's true they fall even lower in the respect rankings for me. They weren't that high before!



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opti
Optimist
12 October, 2020 13:55
But .... values .... humility ....

https://i.redd.it/zkpiztffqpb41.jpg

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shipwrecked
12 October, 2020 14:09
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But .... values .... humility ....
https://i.redd.it/zkpiztffqpb41.jpg

They need to add one!

https://lamsonconsulting.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Fotolia_96644149_XS.jpg



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woodpecker
12 October, 2020 14:49
Ive read a few things now that make me think Billy V is a bit of an idiot or was.

bardofavon
bardofavon
12 October, 2020 16:38
there was a disgraceful episode earlier in the season involving BV and Wayne Barnes. BV took exception to the way barnes spoke to him after he was adjudged to have fouled an opposition player and really pushed barnes to the limit with his ' you cant talk to me like that I'm BV' schtick. barnes should have sent him off but he (barnes) backed down. BV made him look very weak.

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
12 October, 2020 16:49
Oh dear. You'd think that after such a good season you'd have other stuff to talk about but I guess not?

I'll still look forward to seeing how Bath fare in the new season. I'll admit to being sceptical of both Hooper and Hatley but they certainly seem to be doing a good job for the club and it will be interesting to see if you can go the next step next season.

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hasta
12 October, 2020 17:09
It's rooted from a new story from the Guardian tbf OM.

opti
Optimist
12 October, 2020 22:27
Really interesting stats for both semi- finals.

c 200 rucks in our game, closer to 100 in the other.

[www.telegraph.co.uk]

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shipwrecked
13 October, 2020 00:15
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Oh dear. You'd think that after such a good season you'd have other stuff to talk about but I guess not?

OM, No disrespect intended and I'm sure you will be aware of this anyway but realistically it will take a while for Saracen's to earn respect from many rugby fans. It's not as though a season in the championship will automatically heal the wounds.
It really doesn't help when key figures in your club say and do things that antagonise even if they are historical.
Time is a healer and your comments on here are balanced and objective so nothing personal intended but the incident shocked and disappointed. Perhaps its time to focus on the internationals that are up soon!



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opti
Optimist
13 October, 2020 08:16
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OldMarovian
Oh dear. You'd think that after such a good season you'd have other stuff to talk about but I guess not?

Loads of other stuff is talked about - on this thread alone there are hundreds of posts about things other than Sarries. Bury your head in the sand as much as you want but Sarries are the Lance Armstrong of rugby and people interested in rugby will continue to exchange views on the subject, especially when those people genuinely on the inside release new and pertinent information (and that could apply on both sides of the subject).

Ali1969
Ali1969
13 October, 2020 09:01
Could be a longer stay than initially expected for Saracens. Chatting to a coach I know from a championship side who stated the way things are they may well scrap the forthcoming season as he said most sides cannot put the infrastructures in place needed and the sheer cost is un-maintainable meaning Saracens cannot gain immediate promotion, unless PRL have already promised them automatic promotion in such circumstances.

If true and no reason to doubt him given he is seriously worried about his club and others unlike Saracens and us they havent got a sugar daddy to finance them, many of them were struggling prior to COVID.

How will this affect Saracens squad a lot of the seasoned internationals are another year older and Eddie Jones is not going to put up with them not playing leading into another World Cup.

More importantly It sharpens your focus and makes you sit up and realise how precarious the situation is below the mutli millionaires of the Premiership. The game has a duty to support these teams some great bastions of the game such as Coventry otherwise they will be gone.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
13 October, 2020 10:21
Iím not sure I understand what your coach friend is intimating Ali? Is he suggesting they will suddenly lose more of their top players prior to the start of the season or that they might struggle to end up as champions? I find both scenarios rather surprising or am I missing something?

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hasta
13 October, 2020 10:34
If they scrap the season entirely, no one can end up as Champions.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
13 October, 2020 12:25
If Championship season is scrapped, then no champions = no promotion of Sarries = another 12 months in the lower tier = players leaving
that's the train I saw in Ali's post.

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ouch!_that_hurts
13 October, 2020 13:52
bardofavon - I'm fairly sure that the incident you referred to was in the game against Exeter that is mentioned in the Guardian article - see about 1:17 on here

Ali1969
Ali1969
13 October, 2020 15:29
Dorset Boy spot on, apologies if it was misleading. For me what is more worrying is the very fabric of our game is at risk.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
13 October, 2020 19:02
Or does the fabric (clothe) need to be cut differently?

The game becomes amateur again, except for the Premiership, and even there is is made of thinner clothe!

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joethefanatic
13 October, 2020 20:16
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Or does the fabric (clothe) need to be cut differently?
The game becomes amateur again, except for the Premiership, and even there is is made of thinner clothe!

This. The professional game may fail but rugby as a sport is not going to stop. We'll just return to our amateur roots.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
14 October, 2020 01:25
It is immensely worrying & putting the clock back would be highly damaging. As Ali said,our game is indeed at risk

warrenball
warrenball
14 October, 2020 16:04
The Saracens 'attitude' goes right back to the Brendan Venter era, he took ' win at all costs' to a new level and he upset many rugby supporters. This seems to have continued over the years and ended up with the current scandal. Like most people who play sport I am competitive and try very hard to win, but without sportsmanship there can one no real satisfaction in winning and deep down I think that will be something the Saracen players will not escape.

Beergoggles
Beergoggles
16 October, 2020 21:07
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warrenball
The Saracens 'attitude' goes right back to the Brendan Venter era, he took ' win at all costs' to a new level and he upset many rugby supporters. This seems to have continued over the years and ended up with the current scandal. Like most people who play sport I am competitive and try very hard to win, but without sportsmanship there can one no real satisfaction in winning and deep down I think that will be something the Saracen players will not escape.

Iím no Saracens lover but I just donít buy this at all. The Saracens club broke the rules and were rightfully punished. The Saracens players lined up as a 15 and played whoever were in front of them. Unless it can be proven that there were players that weíd paid illegally in some way (brown paper bag) then they should be left out if this. Treading old ground I know but it should have been financial penalty for financial misconduct rather than penalising players, supporters and destroying this yearís league.

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hasta
16 October, 2020 21:13
The whole sport of rugby union is predicated on pushing the edges of the laws. It was the same for us in the shamateur era, of Tigers, of Wasps, of Quins, of Sarries and of Exeter now. Sarries crossed the line. They're being punished for it.

opti
Optimist
16 October, 2020 21:43
For years and years everyone who takes more than a passing interest in rugby wondered how Sarries were doing it. Iím sure Vunipola, Farrell, Daly et al were assured, and believed, that the way they were being remunerated was within the letter of the salary cap law. Iím equally sure they knew full well that it was well outside the spirit of the cap. To me that makes them complicit, albeit not responsible. They only had to look around the squad to be just as aware as the rest of the world that it didnít add up.

Beergoggles
Beergoggles
16 October, 2020 21:52
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Optimist
For years and years everyone who takes more than a passing interest in rugby wondered how Sarries were doing it. Iím sure Vunipola, Farrell, Daly et al were assured, and believed, that the way they were being remunerated was within the letter of the salary cap law. Iím equally sure they knew full well that it was well outside the spirit of the cap. To me that makes them complicit, albeit not responsible. They only had to look around the squad to be just as aware as the rest of the world that it didnít add up.

Letís just say Iím Mario Itoje on megabucks and the club sign Elliot Daly on more megabucks. As a player what exactly am I supposed to do ? Refuse to play, go to the papers, not talk to Elliot, ask for a pay cut ? Maybe I go to the owners and ask for reassurance that weíre still within the cap and he provides that reassurance. What do I do then ?

opti
Optimist
16 October, 2020 22:03
Youíre right. Itís not up to the players to sort it out. Just donít expect any sympathy and donít be too self-righteous (them, not you!)

charlieboa
charlieboa
17 October, 2020 10:10
I think we are forgetting that they all joined and played because 'something special was happening at saracens'.....nothing to do with salary.

As you say opti it was blindingly obvious that squad must be miles over cap. Sad thing is it was totally unnecessary.... they have lost over 10 class players since the start of the season and with the quality of their coaching general set up, and players left they still got within a whisker of getting to the euro final and did well in the league.

Exeter are rightly incredibly bitter, i really dont blame them. I dont really have any sympathy for their players and fans as they won trophies, got to celebrate lots of wins etc during that period that they have kept. If they feel those are tainted thats their call.

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