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Heem to Saints
Discussion started by Abmatt , 21 January, 2018 11:26
According to fissler in TRP. Apparently considering an offer.
Seems strange to me as they are a no better proposition than staying where he is imho.
Seems strange to me as they are a no better proposition than staying where he is imho.
Similar type of player to North so would make sense for them. They may not be playing well but they are still better than us.
Would hate this to happen. If he goes home, so be it, but to another Prem side with no known DoR would be a sickener. Maybe Phil has been on the blower to a few old mates?
Just watch the floodgates open!
All down to Club indecision!
Would you commit your financial future to Warriors at this present time?
JP
All down to Club indecision!
Would you commit your financial future to Warriors at this present time?
JP
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Just watch the floodgates open!
All down to Club indecision!
Would you commit your financial future to Warriors at this present time?
JP
I would like to have a professional rugby contract so yes, yes I would.
Then you may be desperate for a contract.
Those who can get contracts at more financially stable club may well think differently
JP
Those who can get contracts at more financially stable club may well think differently
JP
Quote:All depends on what the plAyers know that we don't. Having said that you can't keep a secret at SixwaysFaithful_City
Just watch the floodgates open!
All down to Club indecision!
Would you commit your financial future to Warriors at this present time?
JP
Down to money - simple as that - if you get a pay rise of a substantial amount for moving to a team 'down the road' then you take it... we might love our team, but the players need to earn their living...
Interesting that Ben Foden is saying that he is in "limbo" as there is nobody to talk contracts with at Saints.
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Ben Foden should come up the road and talk to Alan Solomon's then. Not the player he was but would be a great squad player covering fullback and wings
Disagree.
Adams, Humphreys, Pennell, Howard, Howe and Heem are better. We've been down the road of old has beens...
Adams, Humphreys, Pennell, Howard, Howe and Heem are better. We've been down the road of old has beens...
This could also simply be agent talk to try & get more money - are Saints really in a better place than us right now as they have no permanent DOR?
With Foden saying that there is actually no one to do any negotiating with, I'd say the answer is "no".
To further contextualise this, Josh Bassett is rumoured to have pulled out of his deal with Saints due to the state they’re in atm. Some suggestions he’d actually agreed terms, etc, before pulling the plug.
It’s a typical January. Panic and hysteria all over the place.....someone thinks there’s a “burst bubble” (whatever that is) because the Irish game is on a Sunday.
However, returning to Heem, shame if he goes, but who’d blame him for trying to improve his position, and most would see FG as a (slightly) better place to be than 6Ws at the moment.
As for Foden, he’s 32, hardly an “old has been” Saucie! He’s certainly past his best, that’s irrelevant, the real question is is he better than we’ve got now, and although he’s now seen as a back 3 player, don’t forget he was once a 9.
However, returning to Heem, shame if he goes, but who’d blame him for trying to improve his position, and most would see FG as a (slightly) better place to be than 6Ws at the moment.
As for Foden, he’s 32, hardly an “old has been” Saucie! He’s certainly past his best, that’s irrelevant, the real question is is he better than we’ve got now, and although he’s now seen as a back 3 player, don’t forget he was once a 9.
Bit not a good enough 9 to make it his prime position, despite his wishes.
He's not too shabby at kicking from hand and kicking deep either.
Agreed Simba, but irrelevant.
The real question is, IF (a big if) FH were to depart, would he be better than our other currently available 9's?.
For me there's not much doubt he'd be more than good enough to be realistically looking at starts in the back 3.
The real question is, IF (a big if) FH were to depart, would he be better than our other currently available 9's?.
For me there's not much doubt he'd be more than good enough to be realistically looking at starts in the back 3.
Foden is waaaay past it, he's not a Premiership standard player any more.
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With Foden saying that there is actually no one to do any negotiating with, I'd say the answer is "no".
Whereas we have someone to negotiate with (Solly), just no one willing, it would seem, to confirm that the money and ambition is still here to approve the deal.
Whatever you do, do it safely!
Mills and Lewis seemed willing??
I'd heard Heem was off back home anyhow, regardless of who was in charge.
I'd heard Heem was off back home anyhow, regardless of who was in charge.
Renewing deals of existing players may be fairly easy in financial terms, if there isn't a large increase of salary involved and it's known that some well paid stars are leaving, like Heem (Spencer?) to free up some budget.
Getting approval for new signings may be a different matter.
Whatever you do, do it safely!
Getting approval for new signings may be a different matter.
Whatever you do, do it safely!
We seemed to get Bresler in fairly quickly.
I think I see your point, but I suspect that there is an agreed minimum budget set that was also a point within the sale negotiations. Wasn't that alluded to at the previous evening with "Bill and Carl"?
That should ensure that AS knows what his spend limit is I expect.
I think I see your point, but I suspect that there is an agreed minimum budget set that was also a point within the sale negotiations. Wasn't that alluded to at the previous evening with "Bill and Carl"?
That should ensure that AS knows what his spend limit is I expect.
We did get Bresler in quickly, having had a chunk of salary freed up by CSW leaving. Not 'new' money.
Whatever you do, do it safely!
Whatever you do, do it safely!
A lot of agent lead chatter being presented as fact by lazy journos. Heem - would being stuck on the wing at Saints be any better than WW? i think not. They have had george north there for several seasons and manifestly failed to use his considerable talents other than to chase kicks. Foden - not what he was ( but he was very good if a bit irritating) so might be worth a bet. His comments are just designed to put a rocket up the club, aren't they?
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Foden is waaaay past it, he's not a Premiership standard player any more.
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Moved from 11 to his old slot at 15 early in the game, made Tuitavake's try and scored one solo from inside his own half against current French super 14 Champions Clermont the other week to pick up man of the match honours, which rather undermines that statement.
Agree MarchingIn.
Probably past his peak, but as far as I’m concerned I’d have him like a shot. Particularly with Josh and Heem seemingly likely to be off.
Probably past his peak, but as far as I’m concerned I’d have him like a shot. Particularly with Josh and Heem seemingly likely to be off.
Foden would be a gigantic step down if he is our replacement for either Heem or Adams. Wizard is right - past it and will only worsen from hereon in, no thanks. If he is our replacement for Heem/Adams it will speak volumes about where we are as a club and our ambitions.
I've watched Foden 5 or 6 times this season and he doesn't even look like a rugby player anymore; he seems to have forgotten how to do all of the basics (catching, passing, kicking) and is a real rabbit in the headlights.
No point comparing him with Heem or Adams, if they’re off, they’re off.
The only valid comparison is with whoever replaces either or both of them. And how well is that likely to go?
And don’t talk to me about the future, we have a “now’” problem, and need a “now” solution.
Remember when people mocked Goodie when he arrived?
He was seen as past his best, and of course he was. But he was better than most alternatives we could get in, and so would Foden be.
The only valid comparison is with whoever replaces either or both of them. And how well is that likely to go?
And don’t talk to me about the future, we have a “now’” problem, and need a “now” solution.
Remember when people mocked Goodie when he arrived?
He was seen as past his best, and of course he was. But he was better than most alternatives we could get in, and so would Foden be.
TT two very valid points.
1. Goode was better than anything else we could get at the time and for some period after.
2.In out current situation we also need some reinforcements for this season - stand off/loosehead and maybe 9 ( depending upon injuries) to help us escape the drop.
P.S. My man in Cortina has agreed with your man that we will not let the chalet to any minor royals after what happened this Christmas. We will go back to letting to the Russians - hope you agree.
1. Goode was better than anything else we could get at the time and for some period after.
2.In out current situation we also need some reinforcements for this season - stand off/loosehead and maybe 9 ( depending upon injuries) to help us escape the drop.
P.S. My man in Cortina has agreed with your man that we will not let the chalet to any minor royals after what happened this Christmas. We will go back to letting to the Russians - hope you agree.
They are chatting on the Bristol forum that Heem is rumoured to be on their shopping list, don't blame them if true
Who isn’t on the Bristol Rugby Pro 18/19 shopping list?
TT i was only continuing on from your last sentence ''Particularly with Josh and Heem seemingly likely to be off.''
I think there is every point in comparing them with Adams and Heem as they are who Foden will directlt replace. If we keep bringing in players who are worse than those leaving, we will naturally get worse.
Goode was a bit different as he could kick and he would still do a job at that even now. He was undoubtably decent for us and i don't remember him being mocked when we signed him - quite the opposite in fact. I don't think the same could be said about Foden. Poor mans Pennell IMO and wouldn't even address the 'now problem'. Would he get in the team ahead of Pennell, Hammond or Humphreys? I'd argue no, and i'd also argue i'd even rather see Howe and Hougaard ahead of him on the wing too. Would he require a pretty hefty wage package that could be better spent elsewhere... yes.
Adams is still contracted for another year anyway, isn't he? I think it's probable that 1 of him and Heem will leave but i would be surprised if both packed their bags this summer. If, for instance Adams does, as expected, see out his contract, that would mean Foden would be our third, arguably fourth choice fullback.... just nowhere near worth it.
I think there is every point in comparing them with Adams and Heem as they are who Foden will directlt replace. If we keep bringing in players who are worse than those leaving, we will naturally get worse.
Goode was a bit different as he could kick and he would still do a job at that even now. He was undoubtably decent for us and i don't remember him being mocked when we signed him - quite the opposite in fact. I don't think the same could be said about Foden. Poor mans Pennell IMO and wouldn't even address the 'now problem'. Would he get in the team ahead of Pennell, Hammond or Humphreys? I'd argue no, and i'd also argue i'd even rather see Howe and Hougaard ahead of him on the wing too. Would he require a pretty hefty wage package that could be better spent elsewhere... yes.
Adams is still contracted for another year anyway, isn't he? I think it's probable that 1 of him and Heem will leave but i would be surprised if both packed their bags this summer. If, for instance Adams does, as expected, see out his contract, that would mean Foden would be our third, arguably fourth choice fullback.... just nowhere near worth it.
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I've watched Foden 5 or 6 times this season and he doesn't even look like a rugby player anymore; he seems to have forgotten how to do all of the basics (catching, passing, kicking) and is a real rabbit in the headlights.
I was in favour of Saints dropping him back in 2015/16 as he was very uninspired, but he has hit form lately and I'm happy to see him starting at the moment, and if he keeps playing well, happy to see him get a new deal.
If you'd watched certain Saints games this year, you could have drawn the conclussion that a number of successful internationals are now a load of pap, but that would be overstating the case. Saints have been woeful at times (vs Worcester for one), yet the same squad put Bath, Tigers & Quins away in quick succession and took Clermont to bits. Totally inconsistent, quite mentally fragile, and sometimes underpowered and lazy 1-8 at present unfortunately.
Rollo, we have to trust our people.
I wasn’t concentrating when I first saw “Cortina”, given the content of another thread where “Grenada” has been mentioned.
Were they not vehicles that we used to equip the household staff with? Made by some vulgar American owned company IIRC.
I wasn’t concentrating when I first saw “Cortina”, given the content of another thread where “Grenada” has been mentioned.
Were they not vehicles that we used to equip the household staff with? Made by some vulgar American owned company IIRC.
Saucie, I’m aware of Josh’s contract period, but surely you know all about his Wales selection issues, and that the re-negotiation of all contracts subject to agreement of all parties, (via suitable compensation) is now established protocol.
So, either could leave, and maybe both. I hope they don’t, but we’re discussing the posssible recruitment of a classy player who may or may not be interested or available.
Of course it’s of passing interest to compare any recruit with an ex-player covering similar positions, but if, for example, Josh does go, you might as well compare Foden to Chris Garrard or any other departed winger. It’s irrelevent.
Surely what’s far more important is who we get in, and how they’d fit in with t’others. And would he start ahead of Pennell, Hammond or Humphreys.....probably not if all fit, but if he’s happy to warm the bench and add vast experience to our cover, then I’d be happy to see him in.
So, either could leave, and maybe both. I hope they don’t, but we’re discussing the posssible recruitment of a classy player who may or may not be interested or available.
Of course it’s of passing interest to compare any recruit with an ex-player covering similar positions, but if, for example, Josh does go, you might as well compare Foden to Chris Garrard or any other departed winger. It’s irrelevent.
Surely what’s far more important is who we get in, and how they’d fit in with t’others. And would he start ahead of Pennell, Hammond or Humphreys.....probably not if all fit, but if he’s happy to warm the bench and add vast experience to our cover, then I’d be happy to see him in.
Surely after today's announcement re sabbatical back home he owes us some loyalty
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Why, because he’s had a few weeks off?
Just one of our top frontline players having a well earned rest ready for the important league games.
Granted,some of our first teamers have been playing cup matches to retain match sharpness but having a rest away from the game can be just as beneficial.
Granted,some of our first teamers have been playing cup matches to retain match sharpness but having a rest away from the game can be just as beneficial.
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