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Discussion started by Old Col , 03 October, 2020 14:16
Appalling Decision
Old Col 03 October, 2020 14:16
Dreadful decision to postpone until Wednesday and allow players to play if they test negative on Tuesday . It will be impossible for Sale to put 23 players on the field none of whom can be at least 5 days clear of any contact --let alone completing 14 days isolation -if the reports are correct. Clearly the powers that ( should not) be , have decided to take a chance out of misplaced sympathy for Sale's bad luck--or is it if 16 of them have got it? (Presumably despite observing the guidelines for training etc ) Health authorities should step in and stop it or the whole system of Covid control in the country will be a laughing stock;if it is not already. OUTRAGEOUS !

Re: Appalling Decision
woodywuss 03 October, 2020 14:20
Get ready for forum meltdown from the other clubs playing tomorrow.

Re: Appalling Decision
Old Col 03 October, 2020 14:22
and Sale had /have not even published a team--please correct me if I am wrong

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woodywuss 03 October, 2020 14:38
Sale club statement saying we wanted the fixture moved. They were quite happy to play tomorrow.

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Faithful_City 03 October, 2020 14:42
No because I feel they will hope that some of the ones positive on Thursday will be negative next Tuesday, absolute bloody scandal!!

They should all hang their heads in shame when you consider what the British people have sacrificed over the last 6 months. Many have lost their jobs, their businesses, some will never fully recover and some have died and our clubs canít give up one game no matter how ďimportantĒ.

Support for Rugby Union is a massive minority of the population this is not going to help.

Pathetic leadership!!

Sack the bloody lot of them.

You might guess I am angry.

The sport I have loved for many years is acting like spoilt selfish children.

JP



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/10/2020 14:45 by Faithful_City.

Re: Appalling Decision
Old Col 03 October, 2020 14:52
It is a shameful game of bluff on Sale's part--their statement reads that everyone at their club is well -which is perfectly possible even if one has the virus -but they do not say that nobody has it (of course they can't ! they have 16 positives .) and still be highly infectious to others . Who is that ex Sale front row player now director or rugby for the RFU ? Worcester walk away-it simply does not matter .Although I really wanted all the scheduled team to have a crack at Sale . We have a number of players with points to prove and they should have had their chance .

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EverOptimistic 03 October, 2020 15:12
Really feel for Wuss in all of this. Have done absolutely nothing wrong and Sale statement mean-spirited in the extreme. I hope you smash them on Wednesday or they are forced to forfeit. What a horrible culture they have up there. See you next season!

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woodywuss 03 October, 2020 15:25
The latest Sale statement was signed off by Sam Diamond. This now appears to have been removed?

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ROLLO 03 October, 2020 15:29
I have just reda the Sale statement seeking to put the blame on Worcester. In my view the club is beyond contempt.

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Monte 03 October, 2020 15:29
Quins supporter in peace you have my total support. Has DimesFinger print all over it no doubt with threat of legal action. Rules were made and should have been stuck to.

Re: Appalling Decision
woodywuss 03 October, 2020 15:38
Saints v Glos. Not being played. Gloms get the points.

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Faithful_City 03 October, 2020 15:45
So Sale get to see how Bristol get on.

If Brizz lose with no LBP Sale can forfeit the game.

If Brizz only get 4 pts Sale only need to win

If Brizz get all 5 points then sale know what sort of team they need to get all 5

For Brizz this absolutely sucks.

JP

Re: Appalling Decision
Fiver 03 October, 2020 15:48
I was always told that if you smell a rat, its because there's a rat. Something shocking has gone on here. A dark day for rugby considering the honesty shown in the Saints Glaws cancellation.

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BantamWarrior 03 October, 2020 15:58
Awful decision. Now lets go and beat them by 91 points so that we finish 8th

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Offa 03 October, 2020 15:59
If you have tested positive then you need to self-isolate for 10 days. It matters not a jot how you feel or what a subsequent test says. If you have been in close contact with a positive person, such as in a rugby training session, then you self-isolate for 14 days. So long as all this has been followed then fair enough.

If not then it is a fudge of epic proportions which would be shameful beyond belief. Sale need to be above board and act with integrity for the health of the nation, anything other than that would be totally unacceptable and would possibly have massive ramifications.

Not sure that we have heard the end of this yet.

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Sheldon 03 October, 2020 16:09
It is odd when you think about it that Northampton players have to self isolate having played Sale who had 16 players testing positive and therefore entirely correctly called off their game whilst Sale have a postponement and the opportunity to play based on retesting on Tuesday.

It doesn't really pass the sniff test does it?

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Prodigalson 03 October, 2020 16:10
Never mind us Bears - arguably this now looks worse for you. At least we will ultilmately get what we play for., and if we are 5th its down ro us ending an academy team to Sale and not being able to put the Chiefs seconds away at home.
On the other hand, Sale put Saints into quarantine, they look to have conceded rather than postponed, Glos get the points, and you are left 9th playing a dead rubber.
Decision stinks. Whatever takes place tomorrow or with the table, do us all the favour of taking them to the cleaners on Wednesday?

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NW2 03 October, 2020 16:18
No one involved in this comes out of it looking good. RFU, PRL, PHE, should all hang their heads in shame for not having the bottle to cancel the game. As for Sale, well itís Diamond in charge, what do you expect?

Re: Appalling Decision
Al from Cov 03 October, 2020 16:19
BREAKING ~ GLAWS v SAINTS CANCELLED
Premiership Rugby have confirmed that Gloucester Rugby vs Northampton Saints, due to take place at Kingsholm tomorrow, has now been cancelled.
STATEMENT
"... Northampton Saints informed Premiership Rugby that they had insufficient front row players to start the match. The situation was created as a result of a large number of positive COVID-19 tests at Sale Sharks, following the Gallagher Premiership Rugby match between the two sides last Tuesday evening.
In accordance with Premiership Rugby regulations the match has been awarded as a 20-0 victory to Gloucester Rugby, with Gloucester Rugby been awarded five league points and Northampton Saints zero. ... "
MORE [www.gloucesterrugby.co.uk]

Re: Appalling Decision
Jimeno 03 October, 2020 16:20
This stinks on a number of levels- for you, Bristol and possibly Bath as well.

All us Bristol supporters will be Wuss supporters on Wednesday.



°Vamos los osos!
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Re: Appalling Decision
Al from Cov 03 October, 2020 16:22
Wasps fan in peace, the decision to allow Sale more time but gift Glouc a win totally stinks! I should think your legal guys will be looking at this as a place in the top 8 was at stake for you guys

Re: Appalling Decision
Faithful_City 03 October, 2020 16:23
Yes they both agreed, Saints cancel meaning Glaws get 5 points both clubs happy.

If we cancel Sale get 5 and Brizz are screwed. If Sale cancel we get 5 which does nothing but Sale might donít qualify.

JP

Re: Appalling Decision
Fred68 03 October, 2020 16:38
As a Glaws supporter I think the difference between way Sale and Northampton have been treated is totally wrong,.

I wish you luck on Wednesday (if it happens); ironically, with the Glaws match called off you need the match v Sale to go ahead

Re: Appalling Decision
Sheldon 03 October, 2020 16:52
I have just read the detail of Northampton's decision to call off the game. Because the players who went to Sale had to self isolate they only had two available front rows. They were not allowed any loan signings so had to concede the game.

So how come Sale were able to put out a team ( which was never published)?

Re: Appalling Decision
Faithful_City 03 October, 2020 17:03
They are running scared of Dimes

JP

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Faithful_City 03 October, 2020 17:03
They are running scared of Dimes

JP

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WONKYWASP1 03 October, 2020 17:11
This smells like a heap of dead fish. I hope it is sorted out very quickly and also fairly - which it quite obviously isn't at the moment. What injuustice. So unfair on the other teams and Clubs.

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lokicrichtonfan 03 October, 2020 17:12
Really good of coronavirus to agree to finish its massive outbreak in the Sale squad by Tuesday so they can play Sunday's game on Wednesday - Steve Diamond's persuasiveness truly knows no bounds.

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Whispering_Death 03 October, 2020 17:18
Absolute disgrace. We shouldnít be sending 30 odd people up there, no way. We should forfeit the game and let the likes of Bristol take the rugby powers to court. Sale in particular, but also the rugby powers and the government should hang their heads in shame. It should have been shut down yesterday.

Re: Appalling Decision
Old Col 03 October, 2020 17:19
According to the Northampton notice some of their players against Sale have had to isolate following track and trace review .I.e. they are regarded as contacts with at risk Sale players. So their match with Glaws is correctly cancelled .But Sale could have played us tomorrow .So they would have had to field a team that had no contact with the team that played Northampton on Tuesday .Realistically a professional rugby club is a workplace and with 16 positive cases there can be no excuse for not evaluating and treating it as such . I.E. consider closing it down . If the results on Sunday fall out in Sale's favour and they secure 4th place anyway ,what team will they put out to play a match of zero significance to them and a dead rubber now for us that we can no longer catch Glaws .? What utter administrative incompetence .i just love rugby-it's a sport ,it doesn't need this.

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ukms 03 October, 2020 17:34
On the face it it seems unfair ....... but taking a step back none of us know the full and true circumstances...... I suspect come Tuesday it may well be cancelled winking smiley

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NW2 03 October, 2020 18:14
I donít think Sale are disputing that hey had 16 positive results are they? Simple, they are unable to play AND stick to the guidelines that others have adhered to, so they should forfeit the game. Peopleís health is more important (or should be) than any sport.

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lawnsman 03 October, 2020 18:15
And it is another appalling decision that we do not know the full facts of the matter.

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BS7 03 October, 2020 18:31
Got to say that most, if not all Bristol supporters would not want Worcester to risk their players and staff by travelling up to $ale, even if that means we don't reach the play offs. With all this farce, rapidly losing faith and desire to compete on a level playing field. Can't believe I'm saying this but now want the season to end. We've said all along, with this pandemic affecting the season, hand the title to Exeter, give the players a rest and prepare for 20/21 season. Wish you all the best of health.

Re: Appalling Decision
Faithful_City 03 October, 2020 18:38
If our players get sick then it is all laid at the feet of Alan Solomons!

It does not matter what other clubs do or how it affects them, it is HIS RESPONSIBILITY to look after his players.

He has chosen to play, it is his decision his responsibility.

JP

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ironbridge warrior 03 October, 2020 18:49
Below is an extract from Mr Childs statement. In my opinion his priority is NOT the health & wellbeing of everyone its clearly more of a commercial decision hence the comment about a critical bearing on deciding the prem. If it wasn't about commercialism then why mention it?

We need to get away from the importance of the prem (its only sport, very important part of my life but sport none the less) and concentrate on looking after "people" and keeping them away from a virus that can have life changing consequences.

He should be ashamed of standing behind this postponement decision and again in my opinion reflect on his position as i for one would be asking for his resignation as we are clearly not adhering to policy regarding self isolation as noted by other posters

"Darren Childs, Chief Executive at Premiership Rugby said: ďIn light of the unprecedented situation facing Premiership Rugby we have been forced to postpone the match.

ďOur priority is the health and well-being of everyone involved, and we wonít compromise this. But as this match has such a critical bearing on deciding the Gallagher Premiership Rugby champions, we wanted to do everything we could to play it"

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Fiver 03 October, 2020 18:52
Surely the isolation periods are not government guidance, but law. Am I missing something?

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ukms 03 October, 2020 19:02
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Fiver
Surely the isolation periods are not government guidance, but law. Am I missing something?

You are right..... how does anyone know that by Wednesday they wonít have fulfilled them ? Perhaps thatís why Wednesday has been chosen to allow the isolation period for the playing team (which none of us know who is included ) .... the full squads donít always all train in close contact and play together they still have bubbles. Perhaps heís raided the academy cupboard to put a team together .... none of us know smiling smiley

Re: Appalling Decision
Vespulavulgaris 03 October, 2020 19:09
This is an appalling decision. How Saints can be in a position to forfeit because they played against Sale, yet Sale aren't is beyond me.

Unless they're using the delay to identify every Sale player that was in a ruck, a maul, or a joint tackle with a currently infected player so they can be forced to isolate then this is a farce.

Re: Appalling Decision
TVM Rides Again 03 October, 2020 19:21
Cynically - the saints forfeiture saw both safely into Europe. Saleís would impact on their semi final - thatís the difference

Prem rugby should grow a pair and compel sale to concede if they wonít do the decent thing. Stupid decision

Re: Appalling Decision
Fiver 03 October, 2020 19:24
I'll just have to believe there has been no contact whatsoever between those 23 players on the 29th Sept, plus all the people they came into contact with, and anyone else who might be at the AJ Bell on Wednesday. That means no coaches, physios, kit man etc.....

Having just checked the government website the 14 day isolation period is law, dating from either moment that person became ill, or if no symptoms are shown then it's dated from their test. That means moving to Wednesday is a bit odd, as that would suggest the positive tests happened before the game with Saints. Very odd indeed, there must be something we're not being told.

Having looked at the team that Sale put out against Northampton, I can only assume we're playing their academy.

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IOL Shark 03 October, 2020 19:37
Sale fan in peace. Just wanted to put a few facts forward to mitigate the hysteria.
Firstly, nobody forced Saints to forfeit. They chose to as isolation of players following the test results AND their injury crisis (particularly their front row) meant they couldnít put out a team. They asked Prem Rugby to bring in some players, but were refused. As Saints had nothing really to play for or to lose (you guys would have to win against us by 91 points to overtake them) they took the decision themselves to forfeit.
In terms of Sale, hereís a few facts:
- the game on Tuesday and training on Wednesday went ahead with known positive COVID results, but Sale werenít party to that knowledge (nor were Saints).
- Sale are able to put out a team but none are players proven positive nor those who have been in close contact with the positives.
- The club are fully adhering to government COVID-19 protocol.
- It was Worcester who asked for the game to be put back as they wanted more time (through testing) to be reassured the game will be safe to play (and understandably so). Sale and PR fully agreed to this request.
- Dimes might be seen by many outside of Sale as the devil reincarnated, but thatís as far from the truth as it gets. Heís renowned and respected within the club, particularly where player and staff welfare and wellbeing is concerned.
You can take or leave any of the above, your choice.

Re: Appalling Decision
OldMarovian 03 October, 2020 19:45
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IOL Shark
- the game on Tuesday and training on Wednesday went ahead with known positive COVID results, but Sale werenít party to that knowledge (nor were Saints).

Eh, known by whom in that case?

Re: Appalling Decision
IOL Shark 03 October, 2020 19:47
Should be possible to work that one out!

Re: Appalling Decision
Gray_Lensman 03 October, 2020 19:52
So much there that is just rubbish.

The statement from Childs make it clear that C-19 tests take place on a Thursday so there is no way that the match with Saints went ahead with known positive results unless the rules were being broken. These tests took place after that game.

Saints may well have injury problems but the reason they have had to forfeit is because they have players isolating after being in contact with Sale players who have tested positive. It isn't their fault and it is disingenuous to imply otherwise. Equally, you can say that Sale are complying with the rules but you can see why people might have a problem with that when the isolation period following positive tests is longer than the period that the game is being postponed. Also The Torygraph seems to be claiming that players went out to celebrate the cup win which seem to be, on the face of it, a breach of the Premierships C-19 protocols.

As for the effort to somehow shift the blame onto Worcester, it is simply laughable. If Sale were able to put out a side why was it not announced by the deadline?

I think i'll take the second option you offer about: leaving the above.

Re: Appalling Decision
Drahm for England 03 October, 2020 19:59
Blimey I know rugby fans can be one eyed at times but that post from IOL shark is something else!!!

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IOL Shark 03 October, 2020 20:05
Testing took place before the game on Tuesday (sometime Sunday to Tuesday), though I admit I donít know the actual days. Things will come out in due course to prove who knew and who didnít.
Thereís no challenge from me on the required isolation period - as I stated the players Sale are putting forward to play are not affected by the isolation requirements.
The Torygraph are trying to sensationalise without facts (not unusual for them) - no protocols were broken following the final.
Thereís been no blame laid against Worcester - as I included above, the request for a delay for more testing and ensure things are safe to play is understandable.
Sale didnít make the team announcement as one of the conditions of Worcesterís request was that all players are clear - and that is the reason for the extra testing. No point in naming a team until itís known to be possible to play that team!

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IOL Shark 03 October, 2020 20:08
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Drahm for England
Blimey I know rugby fans can be one eyed at times but that post from IOL shark is something else!!!

Because I quoted facts rather than social media opinion? Do you want to borrow a mirror??

Re: Appalling Decision
Drahm for England 03 October, 2020 20:23
Personally couldn't care less about who gets the points from the match, let alone 'supporters' trying to justify ropey behaviour like this. It's embarrassing. As far as I'm concerned, Sale can have the 5 points and keep the virus up north. Staying safe is far more important.

Re: Appalling Decision
ROLLO 03 October, 2020 20:25
I too think like Grey_Lensman I will leave it IOL Shark . Pue bilge water.

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WorcesterSauce 03 October, 2020 21:52
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Firstly, nobody forced Saints to forfeit. They chose to as isolation of players following the test results AND their injury crisis (particularly their front row) meant they couldnít put out a team. They asked Prem Rugby to bring in some players, but were refused. As Saints had nothing really to play for or to lose (you guys would have to win against us by 91 points to overtake them) they took the decision themselves to forfeit.

Northampton are 91 Points ahead of us due to losing by just 20 vs Gloucester.

Had the game vs Gloucester gone ahead, like Worcester vs Sale seemingly is, it was well expected that Gloucester were to put out a strong team whilst Northampton were putting out a weak side.

Now, whereas of course the safety of everybody is paramount, why does the cynic in me think that, once it became obvious that the Worcester Vs Sale game was either not going ahead OR going ahead with an extremely weakened Sale side, Northampton decided that actually a 20 point loss was a brilliant result and one that would secure the Champions Cup for them.

90 points is almost certainly a margin that will be too big to make up, but had Saints had to play they wouldíve played an extremely weak (even more weakened than even first thought due to Covid) side against a good Gloucester side. A 50+ point win for Gloucester would have been entirely possible, especially given Saints form. Whereas it perhaps wouldnít have got to a 50+, it would have almost certainly been more than 20+, and whereas weíll never know, given their form and expected team, I strongly believe it would have been either around or above the 50 point mark win for Gloucester. Suddenly that means Worcester need to beat an extremely weak Sale by 50+, still not entirely likely of course, but far more possible than 90 and an actual feasible possibility, given the predicted teams.

A 20 point loss for Northampton and another week to rest their players ahead of next season suddenly becomes extremely attractive and a great result.

Of course, non of this should matter at all because all games should have either

1- gone ahead
2- been postponed
3- cancelled

The real farce is the inconsistency which seemingly (as the other match was cancelled) puts us in a real health risk.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/10/2020 22:06 by WorcesterSauce.

Re: Appalling Decision
TRIXTA 03 October, 2020 22:07
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Faithful_City
If our players get sick then it is all laid at the feet of Alan Solomons!
It does not matter what other clubs do or how it affects them, it is HIS RESPONSIBILITY to look after his players.

He has chosen to play, it is his decision his responsibility.

JP
Are you sure about this? That's quite an accusation. I may have missed something but do you know it is solely his decision? After all, he's DOR, not the boss of the club.

Re: Appalling Decision
WorcesterSauce 03 October, 2020 22:10
Quite right TRIXTA. Absurd allegation that it is ALL on AS decision to play.

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Rinkadink 04 October, 2020 00:15
Just wanted to say as a Bristol fan I wouldn't begrudge you cancelling the fixture at all even if this now means we finish 5th. I think the health and wellbeing of everyone far surpasses any league standing and title chance and were it Bristol in Worcester's place I would not feel comfortable/have reservations about currently playing Sale.

All the best to everyone; clubs, players and fans alike. I hope everyone is well.

Re: Appalling Decision
Faithful_City 04 October, 2020 08:20
Being a Libran (Libra is obsessed with symmetry and strives to create equilibrium in all areas of life. These air signs are the aesthetes of the zodiac: Ruled by Venus, the planet that governs love, beauty, and money, Libras adore high art, intellectualism, and connoisseurship.) and trying to find equilibrium and fairness how about the following.

Worcester force Sale to delay the game until Wednesday knowing they will still have to put out a weakened team and we can then rest players that played on the previous Wednesday and will be able to put out our strongest available team fully recovered and ready to go.

Only saying for being even handed(Sm128)

JP

Re: Appalling Decision
Old Col 04 October, 2020 08:29
If it is true that Saints players tested positive after they played Sale it beggars belief that the prime suspects for passing it to them would not have been Sale players .It does not matter whether it suited Saints to play or not -except it is quite true that a heavy loss to Glaws and a substantial win by us against a Sale team that would not have been able to field ANY of the 23 (and officials )that went to Northampton could well have allowed us to climb to 8th .Bad luck if the testing results had not come through or were false negatives ( I won't go into that ) for the Saints/Sale match--it is only how things stand now and Wednesday coming is only 8 days later. ( Could be 9 days according to how you count . ) 14-9 = 5 .

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Rich. 04 October, 2020 08:44
Of course delaying till Weds will ALSO have an impact potentially on who wins the Prem. If Sale get through then injuries to players on Weds might mean: (a)they can't get a team together for Sat/Sun and they have to pull out of their semi-final & (b) they don't have a fit and good enough team to test whoever they play in the Semi? - & if Exe/Wasps thrash them due to the quality of team Sale can field how does that help the standing if the completion?

Of course we don't know the team Sale reckon were fit to play tomorrow (& this needs to be clear - they really should only be able to play the team on Weds who would have played today & not gain any selection advantage from the postponement) but if it's true that they are bringing at least one player out of retirement (18 months long) what happens if that player gets a serious injury? We were told that for safety players needed 6-8 weeks of conditioning etc before the season could re-start so how safe will it be for anyone coming straight in having played no rugby for 18 months??

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Jigalot 04 October, 2020 08:52
Can anyone explain why testing of the Sale 23 man squad could not have been done on Saturday and if negative, the game gone ahead as scheduled this afternoon? If the testing takes place on Tuesday and assuming negative results all parties are happy to play on Wednesday what makes playing Wednesday 24 hours after testing safer than playing today if tests were done yesterday????,

Re: Appalling Decision
Faithful_City 04 October, 2020 08:56
Maybe just maybe we wanted the delay to put out a more refreshed and stronger team.

Just saying.

JP

Re: Appalling Decision
Rich. 04 October, 2020 09:15
I THINK that the current tests won't show you have it in the early days (up to 2 days?) and therefore a negative result on Saturday won't make it safe that the player concerned does't have Covid. So I assume the thinking is that if players who tested negative on Thurs also test negative this coming Tuesday then (unless they catch it Sunday or Monday) that negative result can be trusted.

Re: Appalling Decision
Jigalot 04 October, 2020 09:36
Thing is Rich where does it stop? If the players were all tested on Thursday and results were clear then again on Saturday, that is a further two days on so if it still clear then isn't that 4 days in total?

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Rich. 04 October, 2020 09:49
Not sure jigalot but I also assume some of the ringers they are looking to bring in (if true) would not have been tested as their inclusion is a last minute thing.

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Garym 04 October, 2020 10:06
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Rich.
Not sure jigalot but I also assume some of the ringers they are looking to bring in (if true) would not have been tested as their inclusion is a last minute thing.

But Saints were not allowed to bring in any new players and that's the reason they had to cancel, so surely Sale can't, on the other hand its Sale, so they can!

Re: Appalling Decision
Rich. 04 October, 2020 11:34
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Garym
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Rich.
Not sure jigalot but I also assume some of the ringers they are looking to bring in (if true) would not have been tested as their inclusion is a last minute thing.

But Saints were not allowed to bring in any new players and that's the reason they had to cancel, so surely Sale can't, on the other hand its Sale, so they can!

Yes weird re Saints and today because you can bring in players as injury replacements - happens a lot. Might be they couldn't get any/enough in time and, of course, they seem happy enough to end their season.

Re: Appalling Decision
ExeterFan 04 October, 2020 12:19
How this has been handled by PRL is an absolute joke. Tournament over player health is basically what that statement said.

If PRL can't find a fair way to get all of the games on (allow Saints a couple of loanee props to get the game on, all players tested and results known, play all games on Wednesday so nobody knows in advance what they need to do) then they are compromising the integrity of their own tournament further than they already had with the handling of the Sarries situation. If that's the case, just void the rest of the season. No play offs, no winner. It's the right thing to do. Sport comes second to player welfare.



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Re: Appalling Decision
Saint Robert 04 October, 2020 12:33
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BantamWarrior
Awful decision. Now lets go and beat them by 91 points so that we finish 8th

Win by all means, but not by 91 points!

Re: Appalling Decision
shrewsburyman 04 October, 2020 12:45
I agree with you Saint Robert though quite frankly I canít see how we can play in the circumstances.

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AJWarriors1 04 October, 2020 13:38
Pat Lam just said Sale have 19 cases!!!

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Faithful_City 04 October, 2020 17:57
I had heard 16 players and 3 back room staff

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AJWarriors1 04 October, 2020 19:34
Thatís probably what heís referring to

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Offa 04 October, 2020 20:10
Playing staff may still come into contact with backroom staff, depending upon their jobs.

This is a shambles.
I hope Sale are acting with full integrity, and I want to believe them.
Anything other than this would be scandalous and should have cosequences beyond anything that we have seen before in rugby.

As such, I will try to believe that Sale are above board and squeaky clean. But the whole tale as far as we know it asks far more questions than it answers.

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kiddykid 04 October, 2020 20:14
Watching the Steve Diamond interview on BTS today I couldnít see his nose growing, and he definitely was unconvincing when asked about the guys out celebrating after their Prem Cup win at local night clubs..
Todayís result for Bath today makes the game meaningful (for them) but I still wish we ere not playing the game. We have nothing to win, and a heck of a lot to lose.

Re: Appalling Decision
AJWarriors1 04 October, 2020 20:35
I think itís all going to kick off. Saints have now put out a statement refuting what the Prem Rugby guy said on BT Sport this afternoon. Seems like they just canít be trusted. Something clearly isnít right here...itís like the Sarries situation, itís too blatant to ignore

Re: Appalling Decision
Offa 04 October, 2020 20:58
Sarries' actions affected the integrity of the Prem, and put the viability of other clubs at risk. The decision to let this game go ahead has potentially far more serious risks. Sale and PRL need to have this very right.

Re: Appalling Decision
Fiver 04 October, 2020 21:56
I bumped into someone today who used to be very senior at Warriors. When I asked him about the situation he just shrugged and said "That's Dimes for you". I'm not sure I'm comfortable with a win at all costs approach. I personally feel sorry for the Sale fans as they'll be tainted by the behaviour of certain folk at their club.

Re: Appalling Decision
Brummagem7's 04 October, 2020 22:58
To be honest if everything is in order for the game on Wednesday and legit, then I don't have a problem with it. What irks me is the Saints game being forfeited and our fixture being pushed back just so there's a chance, it undermines the club.

We've got 9th comfortably then, we're on the coattails of the 2 or 3 teams above more importantly so there's reasons to be optimistic.

A word on Wasps, what a turnaround they've had. Hopefully Eddie Jones has the guts to start Jack Willis because he's been unbelievable in their charge for the play offs.

Re: Appalling Decision
TVM Rides Again 05 October, 2020 08:16
I am reeling - Saucie wrote a post that I agreed with pretty much in its entirity....

Looking at a some glimmer of optimism in an otherwise stupid situation - I guess if we can end up on 41/42 points, as B7 says above we will finish on the coat tails of the group in front, and clear of the little group behind - so at the back of the mid field, rather than the front of the stragglers.

Very much an isolated stat given our patchy form of late, but a small psychological filip.

Re: Appalling Decision
Faithful_City 05 October, 2020 11:30
Phil Winstanley, did anyone watch his explanation?

This is his history which for me may cause hard decisions difficult to be made

1986 - 1996: Wigan Council and amateur rugby player for Orrell
1996 - 2001: Professional Player Sale
1997 - 2003: Professional Player and Ops Manager Sale(Has to be died in the wood to run 2 jobs)
2004 - Present: Rugby director PRL

JP

Re: Appalling Decision
shrewsburyman 05 October, 2020 12:18
At the very least he should have demanded that the team sheet be published and his failure to do this puts a question mark over his suitability for the post that he occupies.

Re: Appalling Decision
Faithful_City 05 October, 2020 12:25


"We will have a good time, we have a socially distance party planned


about 1min 11secs in.

Well so the club organised the party.

Who was there that was not tested from outside the club and brought the virus in??

The party started at their training ground but where did it finish????

JP

JP



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Re: Appalling Decision
Fiver 05 October, 2020 12:57
There is a rumour, and that's all it is, mainly because it cannot be proven, that the virus came from a Saints player. Whether or not that is the case, it's perhaps worth keeping in that in mind before getting carried away.

Re: Appalling Decision
TVM Rides Again 05 October, 2020 13:06
If that were the case, surely an infestation at Saints would have beaten Sale to the headlines?

Or even if it was contained, why was Sale's system such a failure.

Re: Appalling Decision
Faithful_City 05 October, 2020 13:08
That's just smoke and mirrors - love to know where that one started.

1. If a Saints player ha been infected and took it to Sale he would now be identified in the Saints list and all his contacts would also be self isolating

2. If a Saints player had taken it to Sale why is it only 19 Sale players and staff have caught it and no Saints players and staff from the same game.

3. If a single player takes it to another club it may have infected 2 maybe 3 others as per the general distribution R Number not 19 of which 3 are backroom with whom he would not have come into contact with.

My personal opinion on the rumour - bovine excreta.

JP

Re: Appalling Decision
Saint Tim 05 October, 2020 15:31
No Saints players have at this stage tested positive post the Sale game BUT the front row came into close and extended contact with Sale players (who I am presuming include Covid +ve players) and so they must self isolate.

Put that together with a front row injury crisis meant that we could no longer put out a front row.

Saints were denied a request to register additional players to overcome this so that the game could be played. This request was denied.

There is no mud to be thrown at Saints in this at all.

Re: Appalling Decision
Abmatt 05 October, 2020 15:40
Saint Tim, I donít think anyone was.

The whole situation is a farce.

Re: Appalling Decision
Tony_At_Wuss 05 October, 2020 15:52
Saint Tim there is absolutely no blame being attached to Saints whatsoever. Plenty of blame on Premier Rugby though who would not let you sign additional players, then had the audacity to say, after the event, that you could have.

Saints and Warriors are innocent in all this, but are suffering the most (plus possibly Bath!).



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Re: Appalling Decision
Aberavon Wizard 06 October, 2020 07:59
Saints wanted to play and requested permission to make some telephone calls to get front row bench cover at loosehead and hooker - this was denied. Consequently the game had to be forfeit as per the existing regulations and accordingly the books will show a 20-0 win for Glaws.

Bearing in mind Saints form and the selection policy of Chris Boyd, it is likely that a youthful Saints XV would have been comprehensively beaten by Gloucester. This would have helped Wuss assuming this whole mess existed in the first place because Sale were likely to have a weakened team for round 22. Despite Worcesters recent form, it is likely that a full strength Sale team would have beaten them. So, really , there are a lot of 'ifs,buts and maybe's ' in this equation.

The whole thing stinks like a dead kipper and I wonder when the full story will come out as to what happened at Sale. As for Diamond.....well you wouldn't buy a second hand car from him would you ?

Personally I am not that bothered whether Saints finish eighth or ninth - its been a miserable season and scraping into the European Cup as lowest seed with a prize playing the likes of Leinster or Clermont (again) does not fill me with a great deal of excitement !

If the game does go ahead - good luck and may your team keep safe



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Re: Appalling Decision
Fiver 06 October, 2020 08:35
Quote:
Aberavon Wizard
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As for Diamond.....well you wouldn't buy a second hand car from him would you ?


You probably would, but only because you're scared of him.

Re: Appalling Decision
Faithful_City 06 October, 2020 08:38
Quote:
Faithful_City
That's just smoke and mirrors - love to know where that one started.
1. If a Saints player ha been infected and took it to Sale he would now be identified in the Saints list and all his contacts would also be self isolating

2. If a Saints player had taken it to Sale why is it only 19 Sale players and staff have caught it and no Saints players and staff from the same game.

3. If a single player takes it to another club it may have infected 2 maybe 3 others as per the general distribution R Number not 19 of which 3 are backroom with whom he would not have come into contact with.

My personal opinion on the rumour - bovine excreta.

JP

Just to add

4. If it was a false negative and Sale were diligent(as they quote) at following the Covid playing protocols how on earth did 19 people get infected? He would have trained in pods been temp tested every day, all players and staff have a strict distancing rule to follow. This player must have been closely intimate with a lot of players for at least 15mins. Its not as if he spreads and then they spread there is an incubation period before you become infectious. Universities are absolutely rife with the infection.

JP


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