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John Stevens
Discussion started by Pirate15 , 22 January, 2020 10:57
John Stevens
Pirate15 22 January, 2020 10:57
John appeared before a RFU disciplinary panel last night and pleaded guilty to dangerous entry into a ruck against Jersey and was suspended for 4 weeks.
Full details on the clubs website.

Re: John Stevens
cornishbob 22 January, 2020 11:41
This sort of thing will become more and more prevalent as the rugby laws get tighter and stricter, very soon we'll be watching tag rugby if we're not too careful. Sorry this has happened to John Stevens but onwards and upwards.

Re: John Stevens
cheshire exile 23 January, 2020 11:34
Is Will Wilson still at the club, or was he only on loan til Christmas?

Re: John Stevens
Pirate15 23 January, 2020 12:54
On the subject of old style rucking, I am currently reading the Eddie Jones autobiography " My Life in Rugby".
Jones was a hooker but considered too small for a top class hooker but was known for his speed around the park and his ability to give opponents a lot of verbals.
Whilst playing for Australian club side Randwick against the touring All Blacks in 1988 in front of a capacity home crowd.
He mentions falling on their side of a ruck and having his back and jersey shredded as their pack removed him in the only way they knew how! Their pack contained Shaun Fitzpatrick, Wayne 'Buck' Shelford, Michael Jones and the Whetton brothers Gary and Alan.
Fitzy smiled and said " That should quieten you down"

Re: John Stevens
Jacob Englefield 23 January, 2020 21:18
Every time we play Jersey it seems as though one of our players gets cited. It was Toby Freeman last year.

Re: John Stevens
cheshire exile 23 January, 2020 21:20
Different times. The All Blacks game was based on a brutal and fast rucking plan. More recently the “breakdown” has become a lottery with the key player being the referee, who has to adjudicate on whether the players are “supporting their body weight.” I do wonder, however, how psychotic the rucking game would be in the professional era.

Re: John Stevens
wallwuz 24 January, 2020 06:56
The Jersey Reds management team always seem to seek to cite our players , Harvey B is a tough old boy but perhaps is a bad loser ?

Feel sorry for John , he is having a great season and has a clean last record , he is not a dirty player

Bring back studding I say , it used to stop all of us players lying anywhere on the ground

Re: John Stevens
tomthepom 24 January, 2020 07:18
There's a widespread misapprehension that disciplinary proceedings result from the opposing/aggrieved side making a citing. That's not how it works. There is a citing officer for each game, who reviews the footage and decides if there is anything that needs to be addressed. Coaches or DoRs are allowed to draw his attention to incidents, but they don't control whether an incident moves to a hearing or not.

The judgement is now online - see below. Hopefully there aren't too many people who think that forceful and direct contact with an opponent's head is ok.

https://www.englandrugby.com/governance/discipline/disciplinary-decisions

Re: John Stevens
truropirate 24 January, 2020 09:58
Rucking has gone remember the De Glanville incident years ago against the All Blacks he stayed on the floor to long and ended up with a lot of stiches to his face. If you stayed on the floor to long in those days you came out of the ruck with the ball even at lower club level. What was the saying of an old County player anything on the floor is grass and needs to be stepped on

Re: John Stevens
cornishbob 24 January, 2020 14:10
According to Chris Stirling this morning he received a call from Harvey Biljon at the airport before they flew back telling him that he was citing John Stevens, this I guess was passed on the citing officer who scrutinises it and up held Harveys opinion. If Harvey has to rely on those sort of tactics then he has gone down in my estimation. If the citing officer picks it up during the game or even afterwards by watching the game again then fine but to deliberately bring it to his attention smacks of childishness.

Re: John Stevens
inside-knowledge 24 January, 2020 18:03
100% accurate
Stirlo

Re: John Stevens
inside-knowledge 24 January, 2020 18:04
Cornish Bob

Re: John Stevens
wallwuz 24 January, 2020 19:09
Of course opposition coaches cite opposing players , it’s a misapprehension to think it’s all down to a citing official

But it’s rare to have a player cited in the Championship, so bad luck to John that Harvey decided to lash out

Will make the next meeting between the clubs a little fruity , that’s what we like , some drama and some villains Like Harvey in the game

Re: John Stevens
tomthepom 27 January, 2020 07:26
Good to have a coach/DoR contributing to discussions...

Interested to know from Inside Knowledge whether he thinks the opposing DoR's input held any sway with the citing commissioner, or action would have been taken anyway; and also whether he would have highlighted an incident of this kind if one of his own players had been on the receiving end...

Re: John Stevens
*Stalwart 27 January, 2020 10:10
Just seems pretty sad for Harvey to do this. If the citing commissioner sees something, fair enough, but this smacks of sour grapes.

Re: John Stevens
cornishbob 28 January, 2020 09:08
I'm with you on this one Stalwart.


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