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Discussion started by Pirate15 , 31 January, 2020 11:16
Coventry v Pirates
Pirate15 31 January, 2020 11:16
There are a number of changes to the pirates squad for this weeks game away to Coventry. A number of players are missing due to injury and a few are unavailable. There is a welcome return to the bench for fit again Fa'atiga Lemalu.
Full details on the clubs website.
Starting 15
15 Kyle Moyle 14 Alex O'Meara 13 Rory Parata 12 Callum Patterson 11 Harry Davey
10 Javier Rojas Alvarez 9 Alex Schwarz 1 Jack Andrew 2 Tom Channon 3 Craig Mitchell
4 Danny Cutmore 5 Brett Beukeboom (c) 6 Will Wilson 7 Antonio Kiri Kiri 8 James McRae
Replacements
16 Dan Frost 17 Hayden King 18 Jay Tyack 19 Fa'atiga Lemalu 20 Tom Duncan
21 Paddy Ryan 22 Rhodri Davies 23 Shae Tucker

Re: Coventry v Pirates
cornishbob 31 January, 2020 13:07
Good to see Lamalu in the reckoning again, this squad no matter how you permutate always looks good enough. Coventry however will have others ideas and this could be a potential banana skin if we aren't on our mettle tomorrow. I'd be happy with 4pts from this but 5 would be 'ansum'.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
Longrockerz1 31 January, 2020 13:41
Good to see that Harry Davey is fit again also. Hope he can now start to produce the performances that lead to Sterlo signing him. Also there is an error in the starting 15 on the App. It shows Robin Wedlake at 14, but the preview on the Offy says Wedlake is unavailable and O'Mara is at 14 with Paddy Ryan taking Alex's berth on the bench.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
Cowship Pirate 01 February, 2020 16:55
With three sent off we deserved to lose.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
Pirate15 01 February, 2020 16:56
Coventry 28 Pirates 23
A disappointing result after a bright start by the pirates when we led 13-3 halfway through the first half.
Our discipline let us down with 2 yellow cards and we conceded a number of penalties which gave possession and territory to Coventry.
A useful reminder that we need to perform every week in this league to get the win, hopefully a big performance from the boys at home next week to Doncaster.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
chenoweth 01 February, 2020 17:19
Have to say very unprofessional today but it has been coming for a few weeks.
The last thing you need to do if your losing is to kick the ball away and then concede penalties. However even worst is achieving a good lead and then doing it. Not sure we have progressed a lot since the Ealing game. Winning yes! but not cohesive or sharp and lacking direction.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
1spy 01 February, 2020 17:41
Interested to find out whether the artificial pitch had an impact on the Pirates game.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/02/2020 17:53 by 1spy.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
chenoweth 01 February, 2020 18:55
I spy
Not sure it affects your head.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
1spy 01 February, 2020 19:09
Impressive attendance 2786.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
Wino 02 February, 2020 08:58
Covís website report reckons the subbing off of Kiri Kiri on 53 minutes was the key turning point in the game. Any Pirates fans there got a view on that?

Re: Coventry v Pirates
2Harbourview 02 February, 2020 09:48
Felt like we got mugged. Certainly on the wrong side of the ref who had a shocker. I maintain you never lose because of refereeing decisions and we had chances to win it at the end, and here is the but. 3 times we destroyed their scrum and had them going backwards at a rate of knots and each time we got penalised, the last one they kicked to the corner and scored from the line out. What became the wining try was facilitated by NFL type blocking which took out about half our midfield. Yes, the guy finished it off well, but he had a clear run at the start. Sorry, I had promised myself I would only post positives on here.
Good day out as always at Cov. Really like the way the ground has come together and great fans

Re: Coventry v Pirates
chenoweth 02 February, 2020 10:10
2 Harbourview
I think you hit the nail on the head. Ref penalised us at the scrum so we gave him two more opportunities to penalise us. Not rocket science is it, Don't bleddy do it!

Re: Coventry v Pirates
*Stalwart 02 February, 2020 10:25
Quote:
chenoweth
2 Harbourview
I think you hit the nail on the head. Ref penalised us at the scrum so we gave him two more opportunities to penalise us. Not rocket science is it, Don't bleddy do it!

Be good to hear Paves take on this. It does seem that scrums are a lottery sometimes. Can't blame the pack for shoving their opponents backwards if they can, it's their job.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
PaulRossborough 02 February, 2020 10:36
Quote:
Wino
Covís website report reckons the subbing off of Kiri Kiri on 53 minutes was the key turning point in the game. Any Pirates fans there got a view on that?

As a Cov supporter, I was relieved to see him leave the field, he is a nuisance! Not sure why he was taken off and I feel that this was a contributing factor to your loss but I also felt that we improved ourselves in the second half too.



All views expressed in this post, are my own

Re: Coventry v Pirates
chenoweth 02 February, 2020 10:40
Stalwart
Paves can say whatever he wants, its the Ref that blows the whistle.
Streuth!! if THE REF says no then its NO!

Re: Coventry v Pirates
Wino 02 February, 2020 11:07
Thanks for all the feedback - sounds like it was at least as frustrating to be there as it was listening on Radio Dreckley. And thank you Paul - Rossborough is a very famous Coventry rugby name - any relation to Peter?

Re: Coventry v Pirates
wallwuz 02 February, 2020 14:44
The Pirates forwards were very strong yet again
Nothing to do with bad refereeing, for the last 30 mins we lost shape, kicked really , really poorly and could not catch the ball

Too many penalties given away by silly decisions BUT we were the better team and should have won by 15 points , Paves and Gav will be very frustrated I am sure

It happens sometimes but we have played very well during the last 10 games or so and I am sure this was just a bad 30 mins

£21 ticket price , £4.00 a pint , £8.00 for fish and chips but almost 3,000 packed in

Aggressive atmosphere , we were not clapped onto the pitch, our scores were not applauded so bit of a bear pit , but we enjoyed it very much

Re: Coventry v Pirates
cheshire exile 02 February, 2020 19:26
5.00 to park, only one pay & display machine. Beer van (from sponsors) incredibly slow. Bloomfield Tavern 2 minutes away was excellent.
When we went in at half time ahead after playing into the wind and having 2 men sin binned I thought the game was ours. Unfortunately by then we had got on the wrong side of the ref, hence the poor decisions around the scrum and the blocking in the last quarter.
I do wonder what use the assistant refs are. One of them had a clear view of the obstruction and said nothing.
Fair play to Cov, they kept going, were fit and well organised. Not difficult to see why they are unbeaten at home.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
OldNick 03 February, 2020 14:11
Quote:
2Harbourview
Felt like we got mugged. ... What became the wining try was facilitated by NFL type blocking which took out about half our midfield. Yes, the guy finished it off well, but he had a clear run at the start.

Hereís the video of the tries. [youtu.be]

The kick to James Martin which starts his run for that try is at about 1 min, 50 seconds. Please tell me where the invisible blockers are.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
cheshire exile 03 February, 2020 16:53
You can see our left wing hit the ground just before Martin catches the ball.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
Pirate15 03 February, 2020 17:03
At 1:54 Tom Kessell "blocks" our winger (Harry Davey) from getting to your player. Its probably a 50/50 call by the officials but I'm sure we have all seen them given. Tom Kessell immediately puts his 'hands up' and this reaction is often seen as " not me ref" pleading his innocence.
Your player took his opportunity well to score what proved to be a match winning try but in my opinion it was a game we lost due to our own errors.
Good crowd and a nice playing surface which is what we hope to have at the stadium for Cornwall.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
OldNick 03 February, 2020 19:31
I can see him hit the ground after Martin takes the ball and starts running, as he tries to change direction to cope with Martin going outside him, and he loses his footing.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
Pirate15 03 February, 2020 21:15
I think you need to look closer as for what its worth there is definitely contact with Tom Kessell whether that was deliberate or accidental. As I said it was probably a 50/50 call and at the end of the day it wasn't given.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
2Harbourview 03 February, 2020 22:02
ON -Doubtless looked a lot worse from where I was stood with a few beers on board. As P15 says it is not why we lost, had we maintained accuracy and composure at the death we could have scored and snatched it. An exciting game of football and a great day out - what more could you want? Hope to see a good turn out from the Cov faithful in Pz for the 1/4 final

Re: Coventry v Pirates
OldNick 04 February, 2020 11:38
Letís call it a 50:50 then. Definitely an exciting game to watch.
Sadly Iíll be missing the quarter-final. I have to miss a few matches each year, and this is one of the clashes with other commitments.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
2Harbourview 04 February, 2020 21:52
There is always May, although the Bank Holiday switch makes it a bit less convienient. You will be very welcome

Re: Coventry v Pirates
*Stalwart 07 February, 2020 15:49
Quote:
chenoweth
Stalwart
Paves can say whatever he wants, its the Ref that blows the whistle.
Streuth!! if THE REF says no then its NO!

Chris's take on it in the interview with Rodders was illuminating. We conceded 17 penalties and the assessors' review said that 7 of them should not have been awarded. One key decision at scrum time should have actually gone in our favour; then the ensuing decision at the line out was also wrong - eventually leading to a Coventry try.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
chenoweth 07 February, 2020 19:21
Stalwart
I never said the ref was right, however he is the sole arbiter on the day and not even the assessor will change the score line. The result was and still is 28 to 23.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
*Stalwart 07 February, 2020 19:54
Quote:
chenoweth
Stalwart
I never said the ref was right, however he is the sole arbiter on the day and not even the assessor will change the score line. The result was and still is 28 to 23.

Of course it won't change the scoreline, but it throws some light on the amount of penalties we conceded, and the fact that you can't blame the forwards for conceding scrum penalties if the ref makes the wrong decision.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
chenoweth 07 February, 2020 20:46
Stalwart
The Ref decided he was going to ref it the way he interpreted it. Clearly he was wrong however why give him the opportunity to penalise you. When Newcastle played against us this year Dean Richards told his players at half time don't compete at the breakdown because the ref was giving penalties incorrectly in this area. Amazingly they were not penalised at the breakdown in the second half. Newcastle won the game! can we not learn from this.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
Pirate15 07 February, 2020 22:08
Chenoweth,
Whilst I accept your point of view and I'm sure this is something the coaches are working hard at rectifying, in a professional league officials should not be getting almost 50% of their decisions wrong.
This is the 2nd game where we have had an official incorrectly penalise us heavily for an assessor to then inform us that almost 50% of their decisions were incorrect.
These decisions affect the outcome of games which can impact on the careers of both coaches and players.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
Longrockerz1 08 February, 2020 09:45
To be fair, to be able to play to the ref requires the ref to be consistent. This IMO did not happen last weekend. How can you play to the ref when you do everything right at the scrum, push the opposition backwards and force them into a penelty giving situation only to find that the decision goes against you, and this as I understand was only 1 of 7 similar situations like that in the game. If the ref is doing his job correctly and consistenty then, I agree, there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to play according to the way he is ref'ing.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
Paul Ingleston 08 February, 2020 13:36
Hi 2Harbourview and fellow Pirates fans

Just to answer your query, yes there will be Cov fans travelling for the quarterfinal, some for the whole weekend. Coventry Rugby Supporters Club are travelling from Cov on Saturday morning and will be returning following the England v Ireland game on the Sunday, staying overnight on Saturday.
We hope to arrive in Penzance, motorways permitting , by mid-afternoon. To this end, could anyone suggest a central location to watch the Wales v France game on Saturday afternoon?
Hope you will be able to answer this query.
Particularly liked the ď Give us a P, give us an I , give us an RRRRRRR !Ē from last week. Very funny. Good and thrilling game last week and good luck against Doncaster Knights tomorrow.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
Cowship Pirate 08 February, 2020 15:20
How about the Pirates club house.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
chenoweth 08 February, 2020 15:22
Longrockerz1
3 Scrums 3 penalties. How is that not consistent.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
cheshire exile 09 February, 2020 17:28
Quote:
Paul Ingleston
Hi 2Harbourview and fellow Pirates fans
Just to answer your query, yes there will be Cov fans travelling for the quarterfinal, some for the whole weekend. Coventry Rugby Supporters Club are travelling from Cov on Saturday morning and will be returning following the England v Ireland game on the Sunday, staying overnight on Saturday.
We hope to arrive in Penzance, motorways permitting , by mid-afternoon. To this end, could anyone suggest a central location to watch the Wales v France game on Saturday afternoon?
Hope you will be able to answer this query.
Particularly liked the ď Give us a P, give us an I , give us an RRRRRRR !Ē from last week. Very funny. Good and thrilling game last week and good luck against Doncaster Knights tomorrow.

Not sure how many of you there will be, but the Longboat opposite the railway station has several screens and a large bar.
I believe the Yacht Inn opposite the Jubilee Swimming Pool on the prom also shows the internationals. Itís a St Austell pub so all local beer.
For the true local experience you could watch it at the Swordfish in Newlyn (part owned by England winger Jack Nowell) but less space there.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
Pirate15 09 February, 2020 19:03
There is a large screen in the Bath Inn at Cornwall terrace just off the promenade.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
Paul Ingleston 10 February, 2020 12:41
Hi Pirates Supporters

Many thanks for your valuable and appreciated suggestions re: watching Wales v France.

Cowship Pirate, regarding the Pirates clubhouse, we will be watching the England v Ireland game there after the quarter- final on the Sunday anyway so were looking at other options. Thank you for your suggestion and we are looking forward to our weekend.

Good luck for anyone making the long trek to Newcastle Falcons.

Re: Coventry v Pirates
2Harbourview 14 February, 2020 20:39
Paul - all the suggestions from all the wise old men on here are solid. Pz is full of great pubs and if you follow your nose and the noise you won't go far wrong. When it is time to eat all the pubs that serve food in the evenings make a decent fist of it and Little India and the Sea Palace are as good an Indian and Chinese as you will find anywhere. If you want seafood then it is well worth the £7 cab ride to Newlyn. The monkfish goujons in the Red Lion is the best fish and chips you will ever eat and the Tolcarne does Michelin star quality food without the ponce factor at gastro pub prices, but you will have to book. As well as the Swordy, which will be rocking, there is a hipster type wine bar in the village these days if that is your thing. Travel safe

Re: Coventry v Pirates
Paul Ingleston 16 February, 2020 18:08
2Harbourview - many thanks for the bounty of suggestions from you and fellow Pirates supporters. They have all been an immense help. Looking forward to a good weekend and hope you are surviving any inconveniences or problems with Storm Dennis.
Regards
Paul

Re: Coventry v Pirates
AnIdiotAbroad 19 February, 2020 15:02
Quote:
OldNick
I can see him hit the ground after Martin takes the ball and starts running, as he tries to change direction to cope with Martin going outside him, and he loses his footing.

I can 100% guarantee Harry was blocked, subtle move by the Cov player but it was a block


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