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Is Premiership status worth it?
Discussion started by Diesel74 (IP Logged), 21 November, 2019 12:07
Diesel74
Diesel74
21 November, 2019 12:07
[markdieselforster.wordpress.com]

Or am I being defeatist?

Mark

HoboAl
HoboAl
21 November, 2019 15:32
2,500 or 3,000 on a good day isnt enough to sustain a Premiership side - unless you have a very rich owner.

Championship is a good level which still has some proper rugby grounds - unlike those souless nearly empty football stadiums some teams ply their trade in.

Personally I am in no rush to move up a league. I wouldn't jeopardise anything just for top flight status.

Lets enjoy and appreciate what we have and just dream, maybe one day.

captainscarlet
bigm/ mark harrison.
22 November, 2019 07:28
Dont forget the building of other stands could also cast us into souless grounds. Personally i dont believe the city/area can sustain two premiership teams.

Rob C
Rob C
22 November, 2019 10:25
I'm happy where we are both in league status and, for the most part, match day experience.

A terraced 'Cow Shed' would complete the picture but I struggle to see how Premiership status would make supporting Cov any more enjoyable.

I'll gladly see us as Championship runners up, playing good quality rugby, for the foreseeable future...

Moosemagic
Moosemagic
22 November, 2019 12:11
For me guys, you always have to aim for the Top, I would love one day to see a sustainable Cov playing in the Prem, like Exeter, with a small ground with a 12k capacity crowd or so.
To play amongst the best surely has to be the right ambition?



Phil Reynolds

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OldNick
22 November, 2019 16:08
I think the very serious danger is that ‘where we are’ may cease to exist at some time in the reasonably near future.

If the shutters go up in the top tier - whatever they then choose to call it - the other almost certain change is that central RFU funding for what us currently the championship will be withdrawn - either completely, or to the contribution towards travelling expenses level currently given to the national leagues.

At that point, Coventry rugby becomes, in the long term unviable.

The only way to avoid that is to ensure that we are above the line, wherever it is placed, and that one of huge favoured PRL clubs is always below it and trying to get back up.

timdouglas1
timdouglas1
22 November, 2019 21:03
I just don't get it. The same people who complain about ring fencing don't want us to pit our wits against the big boys. Good grief, we have a fantastic Chairman who is backing us to the hilt. Can we not join the ride?

HoboAl
HoboAl
23 November, 2019 08:53
Quote:
timdouglas1
I just don't get it. The same people who complain about ring fencing don't want us to pit our wits against the big boys. Good grief, we have a fantastic Chairman who is backing us to the hilt. Can we not join the ride?

I think we are enjoying the ride and the clubs ambition. We are against ring fencing because its purpose is selfish, elitist and removes what a competitive league system is about, promotion and yes relegation. It is what makes a league competitive and all the games matter.

I just dont want Coventry over reach themselves and chase fools gold too soon. I think some tbings on offer at Championship level is better than Premiership. Being competitive and near the top of the Championship is better than struggling in the Premiership.

At the moment we are a long way off being a Premiership club and certainly a long way off crowd wise. People seem happy where we are at but it doesnt mean we dont have ambition.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 23/11/2019 08:55 by HoboAl.

captainscarlet
bigm/ mark harrison.
23 November, 2019 11:46
like most comments on here, nothing is black or white. Everybody loves the clubs ambition and the massive improvements on and off the pitch. The fact that at last people have beeen given freedom to change things and make decisions and take on board suggestions .
Yes of course there is the stupid threat of ring fencing, which will eventually push people away from the game. However there is a fine balance between heart and head. We are going through the most stable period of our rugby club for over 20 years, both on and off the pitch. So to overcome that final hurdle of the relegated premiership team, you will have to spend a lot of money with no guarantee or rely on another london welsh. Even then you still need to increase attendances drastically and where are they coming from. If Wasps werent in the city then ambition and realism would be a lot closer together. You need such large amounts of cash and infrastructure in the premiership, its frightening. However it may well be a very different team that comes down next year,rather thaan the usual suspects.

telly1
telly1
23 November, 2019 22:27
Well, said Mark, You are the only poster on this board that has any idea of the challenge financially and squad signings, Exeter can never happen at COV.

Sam Skennel
Egg Timer
24 November, 2019 09:50
Quote:
telly1
Exeter can never happen at COV.

You're a real mood hoover aren't you. No-one is under any illusion that we're Premiership quality now, but there's no reason why we *couldn't* be

It will take some serious investment - both on and off the field.

it ain't going to happen tomorrow, but then, I don't believe anyone thought it would, which is why there's a 5 year plan.

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AdminBTCov
24 November, 2019 09:55
Oh dear. You engaged with Telly.
This could get 'interesting'.

captainscarlet
bigm/ mark harrison.
24 November, 2019 10:35
whatever the plan 5,10,15.years..the city/area cannot sustain 2 premiership teams.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 24/11/2019 10:37 by bigm/ mark harrison..

SimonG19
SimonG19
24 November, 2019 11:51
The Premiership is a corrupt competition where a team has been allowed to cheat for three seasons and almost certainly longer and keep the trophies they won by cheating.

Why would any decent Championship club want to join such a disreputable competition?

Sam Skennel
Egg Timer
24 November, 2019 13:43
Quote:
bigm/ mark harrison.
whatever the plan 5,10,15.years..the city/area cannot sustain 2 premiership teams.

I agree Mark, but I'm not sure how much longer Wasps will be around unless they magically turn their finances around.

Moosemagic
Moosemagic
24 November, 2019 15:45
Quote:
bigm/ mark harrison.
whatever the plan 5,10,15.years..the city/area cannot sustain 2 premiership teams.
Not saying I disagree with you but why so dismissive. How many supporters did Coundon rd attract?
I believe with the right foundation in place Cov could get to and maintain a Prem place. Wasps are really irrelevant in the debate. Many people go to the Ricoh to watch prem league Rugby, not to necessarily support Wasps, therefore if we got to the promised land and had the infrastructure in place these same rugby fans could well attend the Cov games. Years off yes, but still an ambition and a possibility surely?



Phil Reynolds

Sam Skennel
Egg Timer
24 November, 2019 17:53
Quote:
Moosemagic
Not saying I disagree with you but why so dismissive. How many supporters did Coundon rd attract?
I believe with the right foundation in place Cov could get to and maintain a Prem place. Wasps are really irrelevant in the debate. Many people go to the Ricoh to watch prem league Rugby, not to necessarily support Wasps, therefore if we got to the promised land and had the infrastructure in place these same rugby fans could well attend the Cov games. Years off yes, but still an ambition and a possibility surely?

+1

HoboAl
HoboAl
24 November, 2019 18:07
Quote:
telly1
Well, said Mark, You are the only poster on this board that has any idea of the challenge financially and squad signings, Exeter can never happen at COV.

Really?? And I am showing no disrespect for Mark.

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AdminBTCov
24 November, 2019 18:48
Quote:
Egg Timer
Quote:
Moosemagic
Not saying I disagree with you but why so dismissive. How many supporters did Coundon rd attract?
I believe with the right foundation in place Cov could get to and maintain a Prem place. Wasps are really irrelevant in the debate. Many people go to the Ricoh to watch prem league Rugby, not to necessarily support Wasps, therefore if we got to the promised land and had the infrastructure in place these same rugby fans could well attend the Cov games. Years off yes, but still an ambition and a possibility surely?

+1
Plus two. Nail squarely on head there.

covkid53
covkid53
24 November, 2019 20:57
Premiership rugby needs splitting into 2 divisions of around 14 teams, where there can be 2 up 2 down between premier 1 and 2. The top championship teams with a sustainable business model, to include stadium and gates, should be invited to join premier two. In in All teams outside this elite level should not be promoted as of right, but by showing they have the same business model. All prize money to be relatived to the 1-32 league positions. Teams who fail these tests can be replaced by one applying to join the premiership lower tier having a better business model.

In other words, partially ring fence the top 28 positions in England. We need the whole thing to be sustainable for rugby to survive.

Just my thoughts on the matter, for what it's worth.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 26/11/2019 17:50 by covkid53.

BackTenRef?
BackTenRef?
26 November, 2019 16:40
2022 will be the year.

If Cov were in the premiership we’d get 8000 easy. Our academy is a looong way off where it needs to be by comparison to the likes of w@sps and Tigers. The ground is coming along, the squad is building, the off the pitch stuff is coming,

captainscarlet
bigm/ mark harrison.
26 November, 2019 17:06
of course we all remember coundon rd and the boom season of newcastle, lon irish , nottingham. Over 6000 people turned up to watch two mixed 15s against bath and 7000 against newcastle. That was a different era, it was raw rugby. The product has changed, the spectators have changed, as well as dying. we also missed a huge trick of bringing in the next generation for now. No matter what we all say about wasps , they have made huge efforts in keeping families and children moving forward. Up until recently we really have only tinkered round the edges. The disposable pound has a lot more options to be spent on , than ever before, especially for families. We are vying for a shrinking market of spectator/players, as teams decrease . Sponsorship gets harder by the day and you have to think out of the box of previous decades. Rugby is still run with very limited resources compared to other sports. 2020 an interesting year ahead at the BPA

covmick1/Michael Carter
covmick1/Michael Carter
26 November, 2019 19:35
Please in your thoughts factor in fans who are getting older. Being a person who travels to most away games I could not afford too many trips to Newcastle (or that type of venue being costly). Ground admittance/season ticket prices would have to rise at BPA. The disposable income that people have (retired) will shrink with inflation and increases in prices. Yes, it is swings and roundabouts and the need to increase the younger people to be long term committed supporters.

But best of luck to Coventry Rugby in moving forward.



covmick/Michael Carter

HoboAl
HoboAl
26 November, 2019 20:05
You raise some excellent points Mark, how rugby has changed. Also, as Wasps are finding out, the big Sponsorship deals just aren't out there. A few home countries got burnt with that one; rejected a deal then had to dine on a half price deal a few months later.

PaulRossborough
PaulRossborough
26 November, 2019 20:17
Quote:
Egg Timer
You're a real mood hoover aren't you.

Haha! Oh what a chuckle I had to myself...



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