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Discussion started by AdminBTCov (IP Logged), 05 November, 2019 11:32
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AdminBTCov
05 November, 2019 11:32
Sarries docked 35 points and fined:
[www.bbc.co.uk]



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AdminBTCov
05 November, 2019 11:40
Sadly not nearly enough of a sanction though, to even out the wrongdoings over many years.
No transfer embargo?
No removal of funding?
No removal of titles?
Maybe further detail will emerge re these points, but I have my doubts.

Bag Inton
Ken I L Worth
05 November, 2019 11:53
Sarries @ BPA next year?

John Butler
John Butler
05 November, 2019 11:55
I fear that is it & I agree it could/should have been more.
Assuming an appeal fails however, it does tarnish the image, not least of Nigel Wray personally
as well.
Don't let us get too excited about them possibly at BPA next season, if you work it out, they have by far & away enough games left to pick up points to avoid any drop.



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AdminBTCov
05 November, 2019 11:59
Quote:
Ken I L Worth
Sarries @ BPA next year?
Very lttle chance indeed. Wasps on the other hand?

MESSAGES->author
AdminBTCov
05 November, 2019 12:00
Appeal win or not John, Wray's reputation has gone.

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OldNick
05 November, 2019 12:09
Had Saracens been docked 35 points last season, they would have ended on 43 points, still above Leicester and Newcastle.

I am sure this won’t have affected the calculation of the deduction.

CovBlueLou
CovBlueLou
05 November, 2019 12:23
More likelihood of ring fencing happening this season or allowing 13 in the Prem and then closing shop at the end of this season?

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AdminBTCov
05 November, 2019 12:24
Doubtful Lou. Very doubtful

CovBlueLou
CovBlueLou
05 November, 2019 12:37
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AdminBTCov
Doubtful Lou. Very doubtful

Good good!

EdGray
EdGray
05 November, 2019 12:50
I'm sure it will be appealed. Nigel Wray would have taken legal advice before going ahead with these 'outside' business decisions. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a compromise in this judgement. I would also be very surprised if there weren't other clubs that might use other means of making their salary cap go further. It often comes down to if a club has broken a rule or 'the spirit' of a rule.

sk
rustyroof
05 November, 2019 12:57
Not sure about this being good news if it seriously damages the club. Saracens have raised the bar in terms of rugby standards. Most of the other clubs are very average in comparison. They obviously need to be brought into line regarding playing fast and loose with the financial rules, but for me Saracens are a major asset for English rugby, in terms of playing standards they set, the talent they provide for the national team, flying the flag for English rugby in Europe etc.

Rob C
Rob C
05 November, 2019 13:39
Couldn't agree more RR!

John Butler
John Butler
05 November, 2019 15:14
Nobody can argue that they have raised the playing standards & yes, look how they have represented the Premiership in Europe.
All very good if you comply with the rules , finances etc, but have they ?

PaulRossborough
PaulRossborough
05 November, 2019 17:17
I wonder how our budget compares to the £7m capped budget of the premiership.



All views expressed in this post, are my own

timdouglas1
timdouglas1
05 November, 2019 18:42
I am sure they knew what the parameters were before breaking Premiership rules, so if they tried to flaunt the rules, then they should pay the price. If this is the case, then I have no sympathy for them at all

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AdminBTCov
06 November, 2019 09:28
In the midst of the fallout from all of the above, our Gasworks neighbours have slipped out their financial figures
Doesn't exactly look rosy, and there appear to be doubts among some of their fans about the whole move to Coventry.
This thread [m.rugbynetwork.net] is interesting (mostly relevant in posts from 05/11/19 and on).
That's one-sixth of the Premiership with plenty to worry about, that we know of...

covkid53
covkid53
06 November, 2019 21:19
Quote:
EdGray
I'm sure it will be appealed. Nigel Wray would have taken legal advice before going ahead with these 'outside' business decisions. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a compromise in this judgement. I would also be very surprised if there weren't other clubs that might use other means of making their salary cap go further. It often comes down to if a club has broken a rule or 'the spirit' of a rule.

Baffled by this, there needs to be transparency and an even playing field.

Just how do the French get away with the salaries they pay ? They have corporate money flooding into their clubs. Something stinks in the kitchen.

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AdminBTCov
06 November, 2019 22:41
No cap in France. As far as I know, anyway.

Alinta
Alinta
07 November, 2019 12:48
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AdminBTCov
No cap in France. As far as I know, anyway.

There is a salary cap in France, which is set at 11.3m Euro's, per club, per season for the next 3 seasons. C'est la vie.

John Butler
John Butler
07 November, 2019 14:44
If you have not had a trawl through to the Wasps link, it is worth a read.
I do not in any way fully understand all the implications, but my reading is that several of the posters on the Wasps site who are far better qualified than me & the worry, concern factor coming through from them is very clear.
I do recall saying at the outset of all this, give it 5 years.
I accept I am wrong on the timing, but longer term...……. how long will that be ?

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AdminBTCov
07 November, 2019 15:09
The most worrying for them must surely be the 'profit'. Somewhere around £3m iirc without checking back.
That looks good until you realise it includes the one-off very large payment from CVA, and therefore would have otherwise been a very large loss.
Wasps need to see themselves as a rugby club, not a casino/hotel/concert venue with a sports bowl attached.
20000+ empty sky blue seats isn't a good look for a club that was going to tear up europe just a few years ago.
The Ricoh was a mistake for them.
Sadly, there's probably nowhere else better to go just now.
Still, that's their problem, so I'll refrain from further comment on the subject.

HoboAl
HoboAl
08 November, 2019 08:23
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rustyroof
Not sure about this being good news if it seriously damages the club. Saracens have raised the bar in terms of rugby standards. Most of the other clubs are very average in comparison. They obviously need to be brought into line regarding playing fast and loose with the financial rules, but for me Saracens are a major asset for English rugby, in terms of playing standards they set, the talent they provide for the national team, flying the flag for English rugby in Europe etc.

Lots of teams could raise the bar by not sticking to the rules? Perhaps Exeter has been denied the opportunity of being the team that raised the bar and denied extra revenue by a bunch of cheats?

Soviet athletes raised the bar, but by cheating.

Rob C
Rob C
08 November, 2019 08:53
I'm not sure comparisons with state-run drug programmes are entirely apt...

covkid53
covkid53
08 November, 2019 11:56
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Alinta
Quote:
AdminBTCov
No cap in France. As far as I know, anyway.

There is a salary cap in France, which is set at 11.3m Euro's, per club, per season for the next 3 seasons. C'est la vie.
Exactly, the French have a cap 25% higher than the EPL. As I said before, there needs to be transparency and equality in European rugby. Exeter have had huge investment in their club, I doubt much of it came through rugby revenues over the last 10 years, but via a rich benefactor. There are more ways to pay a player than just salary, addons and sweeteners by sponsoring players, play a huge part. I mention Exeter because their moral high ground stance on this matter is laughable. No player plays better because of his salary as Exeter have proven. True, It may attract better players but big clubs always attract better players. Perhaps it's time for an NFL approach to rugby club player signings. Annual player selections based on the cap ?


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