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New Championship format agreed by clubs update from Jon Sharp
Discussion started by Moosemagic (IP Logged), 23 July, 2020 12:36
Moosemagic
Moosemagic
23 July, 2020 12:36
[b][/b]https://inews.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/championship-revamp-premiership-promotion-relegation-change-edward-griffiths-560272

Following on from the article in the Rugby Paper on Sunday and the Championship meeting yesterday.



Phil Reynolds



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/08/2020 13:09 by Moosemagic.

Mick J Shaw
Mick J Shaw
23 July, 2020 13:13
I'm looking forward to it should be good. The only thing for me if it's going to be a 16 team division then play everyone twice then have your play offs rather than have 2 conferences

captainscarlet
bigm/ mark harrison.
25 July, 2020 09:00
At least no stupid chuffing cup

JB57
JB57
31 July, 2020 17:46
The proposal as reported in RugbyPass fills me with horror.

[www.rugbypass.com]

I don't want to watch a "team" of emerging players, most of whom will disappear after one or two seasons. I want to watch the development of my club - I want to care passionately at the end of every game/season as to whether we win or lose, not some trial matches.

I want a league which retains both it's sporting integrity and the identities of it's clubs, which may well be part time.

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Kimbo
31 July, 2020 17:53
As I said on Rolling Maul earlier; if this comes to pass, I've bought my last season ticket.

CovBlueLou
CovBlueLou
31 July, 2020 21:18
Wow, that is an absolutely awful proposal.

As mentioned above every Cov game is literally a trial game for the players (I know players get picked off now) , it would make the the league so hollow.

Producing players so they can be taken by the prem in a draft!? Hmm shocking, good luck to anyone trying to defend this idea! Certainly wonít grow any championship club or fan base.



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sk
rustyroof
31 July, 2020 22:08
Sounds like something Cov might be interested in unfortunately due to the financial crisis.
Who decides which academy players go where? Do championship clubs have to take what they're given?
A minimum number of academy players must be selected each week ?
I can see quite a number of players in their early twenties looking elsewhere for a career as their professional rugby career prospects narrow.

BackTenRef?
BackTenRef?
01 August, 2020 07:40
Overall not a fan of this.

Some positives, womenís championship, dedicated funding for championship players wages and regulation of phantom jobs meaning all teams are at least semi pro. Addresses the issue of failing prem academies. However the current issue with the prem academies is that 16year olds are signed up for £40k and arenít allowed to play matches. ( mate at work has a son in one), thatís not the championships fault.

The NCAA/NFL system works because the college teams (120 of them in div 1) have captive campus crowds and alumni but arenít allowed to pay players ( other than providing an education) so have huge incomes but little overhead in terms of payroll. The key for championship clubs is crowds. Playing midweek wonít help. No promotion or relegation wonít help. Having 3-5 allocated development players is neither here nor there IF weíre allowed to pick the side on merit.

sk
rustyroof
01 August, 2020 12:03
One aspect of this which I think is a positive regarding academy player provision is that with the academies becoming separated from prem clubs, the prospect of champ clubs becoming essentially dev teams for a particular prem club is reduced.

covmick1/Michael Carter
covmick1/Michael Carter
01 August, 2020 12:42
Quote:
Kimbo
As I said on Rolling Maul earlier; if this comes to pass, I've bought my last season ticket.
I can understand your frustration with this proposal . To me this is very close to become a colts/ A league disguise division. All the hard work in setting up things to improve the club. Makes you think is it worth it.



covmick/Michael Carter

Rob C
Rob C
01 August, 2020 12:49
Dare I say it... National League One is starting to look very inviting.

Wazeroonie
Wazeroonie
01 August, 2020 22:02
Oh dear. I'd love to be proved wrong, but this seems like a disaster waiting to happen for the Championship. A league designed to benefit the Premiership, while also helping them strengthen their position by keeping all the Championship clubs ratcheted under the RFU's thumb with no chance of ever growing into anything like a Premiership standard club. I know that was not too likely under the current set up, the RFU's troubles and Covid has changed the landscape, but still. No dreams allowed.
Coventry playing in a "nursery" league will do very little to entice people along to watch, would it be as well for them to go and watch Broadstreet, Old Coventrians or Barkers Butts? Wasps also will benefit.
Quoting £12 million for the TV rights, then possibly £10-12 million "once established" also seems like a crock to me. Only mentioning "sports streaming companies and YouTube" smacks to me of the fact that they probably think that established broadcasters wouldn't be daft enough to pony up that kind of dough.

Wazeroonie
Wazeroonie
01 August, 2020 22:40
[quote rustyroof]One aspect of this which I think is a positive regarding academy player provision is that with the academies becoming separated from prem clubs, the prospect of champ clubs becoming essentially dev teams for a particular prem club is reduced.[/quote

The Champ clubs would all be development teams for all the Prem teams. I don't see that as any more positive really. But as I have said I'd love to be proved wrong in the long run.

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Kimbo
02 August, 2020 00:14
Yes, W*sps will benefit (should they still be around. Hopefully they'll have moved to Darlington by then though. Or the Alexandra Stadium. Or Baghdad).
As for me, if the club sign up to this sh*tshow, I'll be taking in occasional Hinckley and Bears games and very little else.

sk
rustyroof
02 August, 2020 01:34
[quote Wazeroonie][quote rustyroof]One aspect of this which I think is a positive regarding academy player provision is that with the academies becoming separated from prem clubs, the prospect of champ clubs becoming essentially dev teams for a particular prem club is reduced.[/quote

The Champ clubs would all be development teams for all the Prem teams. I don't see that as any more positive really. But as I have said I'd love to be proved wrong in the long run.[/quote]
It's positive in the sense that the championship club can retain its identity as an independent club rather than having it subsumed by the nearby prem outfit. It's not ideal, but I'm not totally against the idea of having a Midlands academy (based at Warwick uni say!!) for the local talent, some of whom then start their career at Cov. Some of them might not quite make the next step up and could stay at Cov. This is if I'm understanding the mechanics of the proposal correctly.

Butts121
Butts121
02 August, 2020 07:37
And as for Thursday & Friday fixtures, I'll give the season ticket a miss. Had enough of the Friday games last season.

It's an awful idea, I want to watch the best side Cov can put out, regardless of age, not a bunch of kids whose professional rugby careers end once they're 25.

HoboAl
HoboAl
02 August, 2020 10:34
This is not about improving the Championship. It is about improving things for the Premiership. Reducing their responsibilities for their own Academies and creating regional centres.

Ex Saracens man devises plan weighted in favour of Premiership and ring fencing. Should we be suprised - No.

Hopefully Championship Clubs who have looked at restructuring themselves will be more willing to control their own destiny - apart from maybe Hartpury and Bedford?

sk
rustyroof
02 August, 2020 10:36
Won't we have to supplement the squad core with kids anyway, with or without this system, for the foreseeable future at least ?

Tip
Tip (JJ Teeling)
02 August, 2020 10:40
Couldn't have put it better myself.

sk
rustyroof
02 August, 2020 11:43
It might be slightly more appealing if the old-age cutoff was slightly less draconian, eg change under 25 to 25 and under, and/or rebalance the age-group split from 12/13/10 to 10/13/12

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Kimbo
02 August, 2020 11:46
Pro14 suddenly starts to sound appealing.

poplarside
poplarside
02 August, 2020 12:28
Can't help thinking the seeds of this have already been sown in the willingness of non-Prem clubs to give game-time to Prem academy players or players out of favour. Remember Jamal Ford-Robinson's 20 or so minutes for Cov out of position at Loose-head?
Of course Hartpury's willingness is on another level but there have been others. Blaydon have fielded a team packed with Newcastle Academy players. One of these players, Zach Kibridge (now Wasps 1st XV) played a starring role when Blayon won and racked-up 37 points at BPA.

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Bono546
02 August, 2020 13:08
If the details are accurate Pro14 who have a few teams unable to get into uk at moment or National 1 are far more appealing.
£20 to watch an academy team or £15 to watch PRL albeit at a stadium without atmosphere......... it will be your choice to make

Paul Ingleston
Paul Ingleston
02 August, 2020 17:26
Well, I have to say it's been interesting to have read all the various comments on these proposals. No proposal is ever accepted in its entirety I think we can all agree on that at least.
The suggestion that Edward Griffiths has hatched or has had a prime mover role in this because of his previous Saracens circumstances is just laughable.
I for one am glad that my, our or your club, Coventry Rugby, together with Cornish Pirates and others have now at least shown motivation, desire or wishes to move Championship rugby forward. Gone, hopefully, are the moribund, hide bound leadership and subservience to RFU desires from recent Championship leaders.
Regarding the televising of the games, who knows, in the current market it is a buyers market, supply and demand will always dictate. We will just have to wait and see.
But, like everything else, you pay your money for what you want.
Of course you can always support junior rugby, in the current climate, they are suffering from financial reductions also, no matter what the RFU's version of Pravda, the Community Department, like to insist they are not. I will happily go and support Barker's when I can, Cov fixtures notwithstanding, and still like to receive the occasional winning 200 Club prize!
There are still lots of issues and bridges to be crossed before these changes could come to fruition, and lots to things could change.
I am glad that these proposals are being discussed at length, as they should be, but I am also glad that things are moving ahead.
However, only by the Championship staying strong and together as a unit will the Championship progress. Even Ealing can see the merits of this, they will also be hoping to upset Sarries as well in their imagined Championship success.
It is going to be an interesting season. I hope you all stay with it and us.

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Maxee
03 August, 2020 01:29
An end to ambition or Securing the only future available to us?? Iím gutted by this proposal. The title of the post implies we, the Championship clubs, have agreed. Awaiting some comment from the club on that.

I think extending the Premiership to a 16 team, 2 conference division could open the door to clubs like Cov, Ealing and Cornish before it shuts? It clearly needs a shake up too?

Some Championship Clubs might be happy to be a feeder system... but I find it difficult to accept that for Cov.

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