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Jack Nowell has appendix removed.
Discussion started by Currychief (IP Logged), 02 September, 2019 18:45
Currychief
Currychief
02 September, 2019 18:45
BBC link - hope it works,

[www.bbc.co.uk]

Apart from tonsils, there’s not much left to go wrong with Jack...fingers crossed.

Tiverton Brave
Tiverton Brave
02 September, 2019 18:42
Cor, I've just read on the BBC site - can't do the linky thing- that Nowellsy has had his appendix out, 4 days ago in Treviso BUT hes still joining the squad as he's recovered from his ankle problem.
Blimey!!
Tough fisherman's genes!!

Jehovas Sandals
Jehovas Sandals
02 September, 2019 22:01
I read this earlier too.... Says he's lost some weight.... A few pastys will sort that out!
Fingers crossed for the lad that he makes RWC



I drink and forget stuff!

John Tee
John Tee
04 September, 2019 12:51
must be touch and go
he has to be ready and his prep work has been so interrupted.
Jones might be able to risk taking one injured person who just needs a little more time, but can't take them all. imv

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Toomanychiefs
07 September, 2019 17:33
EJ says that Jack should be ready for third game. You have got to admire the lad, really bad injury then an emergency appendix opp and EJ is having to hold him back!!
He truly is a warrior.

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Lowerwatha
09 September, 2019 09:41
Good article by Will Greenwood on the risks of taking injured players to a RWC.

Mako Vunipola is on the plane to go to Japan, but has already been ruled out of England's opening matches against Tonga and the United States.

There is a line in Kung Fu Panda where Grand Master Oogway, a wise old Galapagos tortoise, says cryptically: “One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it.”

What Oogway means is that even if you try to prevent something happening – in this case, the escape from prison of the evil snow leopard, Tai Lung (yes, I may have seen this film more than once with my kids), something Oogway has foreseen – it happens anyway. You cannot avoid destiny.

I am not sure why but I was reminded of this when debating England’s World Cup squad with my dad over the weekend, weighing up the pros and cons of Eddie Jones’s picks. In particular, the decision to take three (currently) injured players in Mako Vunipola, Jack Nowell and Henry Slade.

Should Eddie have named them? I don’t know. I am not on England’s medical staff and I don’t know how bad the injuries are or how long they will take to heal. But I do know that these decisions always have knock-on effects. Both on the rest of the squad, who will have three fewer players with whom to train (last week England had Matt Kvesic, Charlie Ewels and Joe Marchant in their camp, but from now on non-squad players cannot be involved), and on the players themselves.

How many times have we seen sports stars rush back from injury only to suffer a relapse, or suffer a related injury? The list is endless, from Michael Owen to Jimmy Anderson. Or if they do come back, they look a shadow of their real selves. Wayne Rooney in 2006 springs to mind.

Henry Slade is also injured but is considered important enough by Eddie Jones to make England's World Cup squad.

I will always remember Sir Clive Woodward resolving, after picking injured players in the 2001 Six Nations (the infamous foot and mouth year), never to rush injured players back again. Would he have travelled with Vunipola, Slade and Nowell? I am not sure. Nor am I saying he would be right if he did not.

I totally get why Eddie has named them. Like him, I am a massive fan of all three. I was doing a podcast only this weekend in which we were debating our best world XVs. We got to loosehead and the names Joe Moody and Cian Healy were brought up and I stopped the debate dead. There is only one loosehead for me and that is Vunipola..

Richard Hill was considered so vital to England's 2003 World Cup hopes that Clive Woodward ignored his own 'no injured players rule' when the blindside flanker got a knock early on during the tournament in Australia.
As for Nowell and Slade, they offer unique skill sets. Nowell is unlike any other back in the squad in that he can play like a back-row forward, darting around the fringes, getting involved in rucks. Slade, meanwhile, lit up the Six Nations. He offers the England midfield finesse, elegance and a wand of a left foot.

I am not trying to second guess the England medical staff either. They are brilliant people. There would have been no Nov 22 2003, for me were it not for Barney Kenny and Phil “Pasky” Pask, our physiotherapists, or Richard “Krajicek” Wegrzyk, our masseur; or Tony “Biscuit” Biscombe, our performance analyst, or Dave “Otis” Reddin, our fitness coach.

These guys were legends; the unsung heroes of that World Cup run. Up at 7am every day but invisible to those outside the camp because they were constantly in the war room, treating players. At the end of a tournament they looked like Casper the Friendly Ghost. They had not seen any sun. Pasky is still there.


These guys undoubtedly have the players’ best interests at heart. I happened to be on the same flight back from Newcastle as the England lot on Saturday morning and I saw Tom Farrow, England’s top strength and conditioning guy, wander back from business (management were in business and the players in economy) and offer to swap seats with one of the players so that he would be more comfortable.

What I do know is that it is a gamble. Waiting for an injured player to return can work out. Exhibit A: Richard Hill in 2003.

Never mind his “no injured players” rule from 2001, Hilly was that important to the team that Clive was never going to send him home after he did his hamstring in the group stages. He was like Jonny Wilkinson or Martin Johnson in that respect. And Clive’s gamble paid off. Hilly made it back by the semis and was instrumental in the final.

The flipside is an experience like Rooney’s in 2006 after his metatarsal break. He lived in a cryo chamber that summer as the nation willed him back, our talisman, the man who was going to win us the World Cup, only to return patently unfit, burdened not only by his injury but the weight of a nation.

It is a game of risk and reward and one that every coach goes through. New Zealand with Brodie Retallick, Wales with Rhys Patchell and Cory Hill, Ireland with Joey Carbery. Do you take them? Knowing you are going to pick up further knocks during the tournament and that you will need every able body you can get? Knowing the knock-on effect that it is going to have on the rest of the squad? Or do you go with a fully fit squad from the start?

There is probably no right or wrong answer. In the end you have to make a decision based on the information available. It is like former US secretary of state Colin Powell said: make a decision with less than 40 per cent of the information, and you are “shooting from the hip”. Wait until you have more than 70 per cent of the information and you have waited too long and may now become indecisive and overwhelmed. To an extent, you are always taking a punt.

Eddie has followed his gut instinct, which says these guys are going to return and could have a positive impact. Hindsight will tell us whether he was right or wrong. Maybe, as Grand Master Oogway said, it makes little difference anyway. You cannot avoid destiny.

Axe Chief
Axe Chief
09 September, 2019 11:04
A great reasoned article Lowerwatha, although as you appreciate inconclusive, but at the guts of it is the fact that the players concerned have had no (well very little) actual game time.
I realise too that we do not know the full facts of the players medical conditions, but I think that the reasoning of GM Oogway is more often than not a 'safer' strategy.
That said I , and I'm sure Lowerwatha too, hope that Eddie proves us wrong.

Tiverton Brave
Tiverton Brave
09 September, 2019 11:31
Nice article and thoughts Lowerwatha.
I'm hoping that both Henry and Jack will be there or thereabouts in 2 weeks time and can get sometime off the bench against Tonga and USA to build their fitness levels up again....they have a solid foundation of fitness so just need topping up I guess. There's a 9 day turn around after the USA game before we meet Argentina.

I'm not sure we'll see Mako for very long so I hope Mooner keeps his phone on (does he play the same side as Mako? I never remember who plays which side!)

As Uhtred of Bebbenberg (Last Kingdom) says 'Destiny is everything'.

Dave Berko
Dave Berko
16 September, 2019 13:05
From a Sarrie (sorry!!) very best wishes I'm sure from all Sarries fans to Jack for the speediest of recoveries. A definite on the teamsheet in my opinion.


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