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What is the club's ambition?
Discussion started by lewj (IP Logged), 09 February, 2020 18:22
lewj
lewj
09 February, 2020 18:22
Just to put today into context Huddersfield Underbank Rangers have never played in the third round of the Challenge Cup before today. Today the amateur team soundly beat their semi professional opposition by 22 points away from home. That should not be happening.

What is the ambition of the club? We look forward again to another season of hammerings with a squad cobbled together fairly late once again from misfits and lads who have made up the bottom placed squad of previous seasons.
Do they honestly expect much of an improvement playing lads that have shown time and again previously to not be good enough for this level?

Do the club and fans alike have little to look forward to than catching a club on the hop every 40 games or so? Is that the level of the club's ambition? Does getting battered virtually every week do anything for rugby league in Wales? For me all it achieves is negativity to the game down here.

I'm not sure if it is financial, geographical or (as I suspect) a combination of the two that is holding the club back but it has gone past embarrassing.

The club have a great little ground and that is about all that is semi pro that I can touch on about the club.

What are the club's ambitions and what do they expect to change by doing the same thing, namely putting together a squad of the same core of players that aren't up to it with a few sub par antipodeans and misfits from other clubs like Coventry?

I've said time and again but surely competing and playing some winning rugby league in one of the Conferences until finances are at a level to make the club competitive is the way to go. To say this is flogging a dead horse is an understatement. The horse has long decomposed.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/02/2020 18:23 by lewj.

Taketheone...
Taketheone...
09 February, 2020 19:29
Quote:
lewj
Just to put today into context Huddersfield Underbank Rangers have never played in the third round of the Challenge Cup before today. Today the amateur team soundly beat their semi professional opposition by 22 points away from home. That should not be happening.
What is the ambition of the club? We look forward again to another season of hammerings with a squad cobbled together fairly late once again from misfits and lads who have made up the bottom placed squad of previous seasons.
Do they honestly expect much of an improvement playing lads that have shown time and again previously to not be good enough for this level?

Do the club and fans alike have little to look forward to than catching a club on the hop every 40 games or so? Is that the level of the club's ambition? Does getting battered virtually every week do anything for rugby league in Wales? For me all it achieves is negativity to the game down here.

I'm not sure if it is financial, geographical or (as I suspect) a combination of the two that is holding the club back but it has gone past embarrassing.

The club have a great little ground and that is about all that is semi pro that I can touch on about the club.

What are the club's ambitions and what do they expect to change by doing the same thing, namely putting together a squad of the same core of players that aren't up to it with a few sub par antipodeans and misfits from other clubs like Coventry?

I've said time and again but surely competing and playing some winning rugby league in one of the Conferences until finances are at a level to make the club competitive is the way to go. To say this is flogging a dead horse is an understatement. The horse has long decomposed.

The result today shows exactly what fans can look forward to over the coming season unless the club strengthens the playing staff significantly. I do not favour giving up league one status but I do fear finishing bottom of the league again; which does nothing for the sport in the area.

lewj
lewj
09 February, 2020 20:20
Would you prefer winning one game all season in league 1 and ending with a -1000 point differential or winning the majority of games in say Conference South?

alexp1991
alexp1991
09 February, 2020 21:34
[www.totalrl.com]

Interesting reading

lewj
lewj
10 February, 2020 07:56
Interesting to note the location keeps cropping up time and again from Welsh fans as well as northerners.

I think it is a problem even with Welsh talent. Cardiff to Llanelli is the best part of 1 hour 20 mins each way. Would you take 3 hours out of your day midweek on top of work to train?
Newport to Llanelli is 1 and a half hours away so you're talking a 4 hour round trip to train (that is assuming an hour, it should really be more).

In those two examples we are disregarding two cities with a combined population of almost 400,000, many more in the surrounding areas and where most of the conference and amateur clubs are.
Is the location sustainable?

All I hope is that the club have a plan. Merely kicking along will see what small fanbbase they have trickle away and the team get the chop from the RL if they don't do the honourable thing and walk away if we get another season of hammerings.

lewj
lewj
10 February, 2020 08:13
I was thinking about this last night and there were some great youngsters who played for South Wales Scorpions who would be old heads about now but have seemingly disappeared from the semi pro ranks and the game as a whole. Osian Philips is a name that springs to mind as being one. According to a few sources he is still only 25. Where did he go? Why was he lost from the semi pro set up?

Are split training camps the answer?

Camps based in say Cardiff, Pontypridd or Merthyr and Llanelli on set days with senior players at the two out of town locations running training?

The location for me is a big one.
Will a player from down under or up north sign for the club given its location over any of the northern clubs given their proximity to Leeds and Manchester, even Newcastle. Down South Coventry, Oxford and London trump our club also.

If they are being tempt from Australia or New Zealand they want to be somewhere where they can experience life. As nice as a place that West Wales is your young lad wants an adventure and to live a little, not be tucked away in a place with no real nightlife to speak of.
Look at the Crusaders lads, they played out of Bridgend and were based (in the main) in or around Cardiff Bay. That tells you all you need to know of what is needed if they have any ambition of even competing.

UlsterFan
40:20
10 February, 2020 10:34
Quality posts and questions on the thread. All I do know is that pre season preperation has not been enough to reshape the team and the lack of new blood is a worry.

The statement from the CEO was honest and pulled no punches but we travel to Newcastle Thunder for a game on Saturday can we ex[ect any team strengthening?

I agree with Rogero that we should do everything possible to retain our league status, mainly because it would be very hard to get it back.

cast-Iron13
cast-Iron13
10 February, 2020 10:57
I'll just add a little something - as WWR are saved from a visit to Newcastle Thunder,next week,as they are playing a postponed CCC game at Keighley.
However,a home game v Hunslet is far from easy.
The location must be difficult for players based in England - Gloucester.
Is that the reason why 3 players left the club,suddenly,last year,with 2 going to London? Very strange.
The club is in a permanent state of flux - how many different training locations have they had? How can they consider Stebonheath a home ground when they don't train on the pitch? Now on the 3rd head coach in their 3rd full semi-professional season. Any away side who warm up correctly have probably spent more time on the 'home' pitch than WWR players before the game commences.

How can the owner and CEO,with full time employment,and families,and other responsibilities,run the club correctly? Taking the small,but important things,as an example of how they treat the larger things,they have even spelled the name of our Jarrad as Jarred on the Twitter release of backroom staff.
2 people running a club is insufficient resources.

The very,very promising Kieran Lewis has now left the club and joined Huddersfield Giants academy.
2020 League 1 campaign will be extremely difficult.Coventry Bears are dual registered with Dewsbury who have Lee Greenwood as head coach.Greenwood did a good job with the All-Golds and it should mean Coventry will have a full complement of good players throughout the campaign.
Chopping and changing personnel never works.Consistency is the key.That team work index devised/analysed by the rugby union guy I linked in another thread is one I think is the best guide.
Trying to fit late signings into a squad for immediate months ahead is extremely difficult,for the best results.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2020 11:02 by cast-Iron13.

Rogero
Rogero
10 February, 2020 12:04
I have updated the fixture list following the news of the postponement of the Newcastle Thunder trip. At least it gives the club three weeks to put things on a better footing.

Taketheone...
Taketheone...
10 February, 2020 12:07
Thanks CI 13 for the confirmation of the game next week being postponed.

jarrad
jarrad
10 February, 2020 12:32
Wasn’t going to post but thought I would. We do not train in Llanelli we train in Bridgend because it is central and easiest to get to. Behind the scenes regarding sponsorship has been good but this pre-season has been very difficult with kim leaving with not much notice to find a head coach. The club had 4 weeks to put the job out there and find a new coach and re-route them to Llanelli . We also then had to recruit players as Kim had players he was speaking too and then had a great opportunity to go to Huddersfield which the club decide to release him from his contract 2 years early at no cost to Huddersfield as we wouldn’t stand in the way of players or staff bettering themselves. Aaron has come in and tried to sign players but a lot of players at this point had already signed for other clubs due to the uncertainty of a new coach coming in etc. We are still recruiting and have players due to come in from France after their season has finished the end of March and also players who are signing in the next few weeks. Osian Phillips is playing rugby union from Tata Steel after being in Australia for 3 years playing he is one player we are talking too aswell as other ex scorpion players. We also have a few players from Australia due to come over but are waiting on Visas to come through etc. Keiron Lewis was a signing by Kim and was offered a contract with ourselves but has been offered a great deal up north which he would be stupid to refuse. The club have been looking at a dual Reg and hoping to sort that out but as you can appreciate being so far away players will have to travel down the day before the game and not train with us as a squad so that is something we need to look at in detail to make sure it willl be viable for us as a club.
Hope this helps

lewj
lewj
10 February, 2020 13:50
Kim left in November last year. The club announced it on 12 November and I suspect they knew that he was thinking of leaving before that. Kim left the best part of three months prior to the game yesterday. We played our last game of last season on 1st September.
Had no players been retained/secured in two and a half months since that last game?

Aaron Wood joined on 13th December. That still left the club almost two months to get a squad in place.

It is not a pop at anybody in particular at the club but there always seems to be a hard luck story as to why we aren't kicking on.

If there are things being put in place to finally make the club competitive in this league then all good news. It is long overdue.

cast-Iron13
cast-Iron13
10 February, 2020 16:49
Jarrad,
I hope you are keeping well.
They have never had the spine of the side sorted and it is now the 3rd full season as a semi-professional side.
Unless there is some permanency in that department then a struggle will always ensue.

jarrad
jarrad
10 February, 2020 17:22
Lew- it was a very quick turnaround We announced Kim leaving 3 days after the decision was made to release Kim. This was our 2nd week of preseason training which we only had between 4-6 players training before Kim left. Players wouldn’t commit to re-signing until mid-late January as still playing union and wanted to see what the crack was with the new back room staff etc. Also players like bayley and Mitch only arrived in the country 16th January and Danny price arrived last week. But the club are still recruiting and working hard behind the scenes.

Paul- I am well hope you’re settling in nicely in Keighley, we have got a decent spine in crucial positions Danny price at full back bayley and Phil cowburn in the half’s and Mitch at hooker.

Penybont Crusader
Penybont Crusader
10 February, 2020 19:22
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jarrad
Players wouldn’t commit to re-signing until mid-late January as still playing union.

Sadly, there’s the problem rIght there. Trying to compete at this level with RU players (players whose first game is RU NOT RL) is a no no. If that’s how it is then that’s how it is but to my mind until there is an entire squad of RL players who don’t play RU in off season not much will change.

cast-Iron13
cast-Iron13
10 February, 2020 20:01
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jarrad
Paul- I am well hope you’re settling in nicely in Keighley, we have got a decent spine in crucial positions Danny price at full back bayley and Phil cowburn in the half’s and Mitch at hooker.

My point is that it is the first starting spine with a regular full back in the halves and a regular half back starting at full back with a whole host of debutants around him.

As pointed out earlier Bayley hasn't played in the halves;that we know of.

I would guess that this line up is drastically changed.

Only one recognised half back in Tyler Hunt,last year,and the injury pre-season at London to Mark put paid to experience the previous season.

I would guess that the head coach is trying to sign players for the spine - but after losing to Underbank and then waiting for players from the other code,a few months down the line,there will be the usual huge turnover of players.

After Morgan,the young half back left to go north to university,I saw Kim state that universities in Wales offered the same courses.
Now,however,Kieran Lewis has been lured away.The production line isn't working for young Welsh players,thus far.
Rowland and Archie haven't had the assistance from better players being around them.
Could be a very long campaign.
Good luck with it...

Taketheone...
Taketheone...
17 February, 2020 09:42
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Penybont Crusader
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jarrad
Players wouldn’t commit to re-signing until mid-late January as still playing union.

Sadly, there’s the problem rIght there. Trying to compete at this level with RU players (players whose first game is RU NOT RL) is a no no. If that’s how it is then that’s how it is but to my mind until there is an entire squad of RL players who don’t play RU in off season not much will change.

Very good points made - to be successful players a) need to have a rest between seasons and b) specialise in one sport or the other.


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