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Time To Panic?
Discussion started by Blues Brothers , 18 November, 2019 11:00
Time To Panic?
Blues Brothers 18 November, 2019 11:00
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Re: Time To Panic?
Miss Rugby 19 November, 2019 11:34
Yes, very much so(Sm117)

Re: Time To Panic?
Yaffle 20 November, 2019 10:51
"Nottingham 19-0 to the good after 20 minutes, but there was promise in the way we fought back..."
Classic head in the sand statement trying to justify why Bedford didn't turn up for the first quarter.
How often has it been the case that we 'fight back bravely' still to be beaten?
We know that the Championship gets stronger and more competitive each season so why start the 2019/20 with a smaller and less experienced squad? That squad is getting smaller with each game and so the number of loanees is getting bigger - hardly a good basis on which to start getting back to winning ways.

Re: Time To Panic?
Miss Rugby 20 November, 2019 19:02
The club are trying to keep a tight budget but unfortunately you get what you pay for.

Re: Time To Panic?
Luton_Blue 25 November, 2019 09:27
Is there potential in our side though? or is the squad just too small?

Re: Time To Panic?
Miss Rugby 25 November, 2019 18:58
Small is fine if you also have quality but unfortunately the club doesn't have that. Also of course, injuries will take their toll as we have already seen this season.
I really can things getting even worse.

Re: Time To Panic?
iron blue 25 November, 2019 19:23
[quote Miss Rugby]Small is fine if you also have quality

Tell my wife that all the time, doesn't have any effect though (Sm100)

Re: Time To Panic?
Luton_Blue 26 November, 2019 10:49
we don't have quality?

I always used to be worried that we were signing players from lower league teams. I know you can grow potential but I'd rather have players dropping or from the same league.

Re: Time To Panic?
compo simonite 26 November, 2019 19:35
Panic not a word used by The Blues......’concerned’ might be a better word........however the word that we must start using is plan........

The question is do we have a plan?

IMHO we forget the next three games they are Cup games, we are now playing survival rugby the next important game is on Boxing Day at home to Ampthill its a must win game.....

I will repeat my warning

“This year we will struggle, and if last year repeats itself then there is nothing to stop clubs below us from ‘importing’ players to boost their chances of survival.......do you feel safe?”

Re: Time To Panic?
Yaffle 27 November, 2019 10:40
Will that 'plan' involve increasing the squad or simply rely on short-term loans? Loanees will never buy into the club's desire in the same way that an employee will.
If Leeds start to win a game or two and scent the chance of survival we will need to be very concerned - we all know what they will do to increase their chances!
We also know that the RFU will want to maintain another northern club in the top two tiers - Richmond know that only too well.

Re: Time To Panic?
Magoo 27 November, 2019 12:11
"Plan" A, B, C and D haven't worked.



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Re: Time To Panic?
Luton_Blue 27 November, 2019 13:36
its like he club has lost it's Mojo at a time when Ampthill have come up to our level

Re: Time To Panic?
compo simonite 27 November, 2019 14:37
Luton Blue

“its like he club has lost it's Mojo at a time when Ampthill have come up to our level”

I have been attending GR for nearly twenty years.......I still am ‘confused’ at what ‘level’ we are supposed to be......

Re: Time To Panic?
Jonathan Wilcox 27 November, 2019 18:36
Surely someone is accountable for the position we find ourselves in.....

Re: Time To Panic?
iron blue 27 November, 2019 19:13
Jeez, if there's anyone out there who might be feeling a bit venerable at the moment and thinking of toping themselves I'd stay of this page.

We're going through a bad patch, it happens, we've just come of the back of three good seasons on the spin, finishing third, we're 6 games in.

I agree things could be better but for god's sake let's not start talking about must win games in November, please.

Re: Time To Panic?
Ginger Blueboy 28 November, 2019 10:43
Quote:
iron blue
Jeez, if there's anyone out there who might be feeling a bit venerable at the moment and thinking of toping themselves I'd stay of this page.
We're going through a bad patch, it happens, we've just come of the back of three good seasons on the spin, finishing third, we're 6 games in.

I agree things could be better but for god's sake let's not start talking about must win games in November, please.

Have to disagree with this. If we want to stay in the cup, given Yorkshire Carnegie not being in our pool, we more or less need to win all 3 cup games/pick up something from Ealing and get 2BP wins after. I'm struggling to see that happen though, so for me the cup games should be used as a way of remedying our quite poor attack/points scored record, though a first competitive win at home this season would be nice.

As for league, yes, Ampthill on Boxing Day is must-win. Lose and we're definitely in relegation danger, no shade of tinted glasses to hide from it. It would also be imo quite damaging for attendances for the rest of the season if we manage to lose yet again at home to Ampthill.

While I don't think Yorkshire Carnegie can do the same turnaround with a batch of signings as they did last season (for a start, their original squad is a lot weaker than the one last season), building up a 3 win/12 point+ cushion would be good.

In terms of plans, I largely have faith in the squad's quality, but certainly not its quantity. We definitely need an extra back and signed/on loan until the end of the season, not lent by Sarries for 2 games. I don't know where we have the more serious long-term injuries, but we're particularly short on the wing and at fly-half. I also think it'd be worth signing/getting on loan until the end of the season, a prop with at least 2 years prior Championship and above experience. I'd also like to see a little more of James Lennon starting.

For more longer term, if Sarries don't prove useful with those additions, I think we need to properly consider whether our link-up with them is worthwhile. Ampthill seem to me to be getting more regular DR and loan players available from them and other Premiership clubs. Perhaps we should look elsewhere - Northampton, Wasps, Harlequins, Leicester (if they stay up), maybe London Irish. It'd also be nice to not be linked to a club which so blatantly bent the rules in recent years.



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Re: Time To Panic?
compo simonite 28 November, 2019 12:32
Ginger Blueboy......I totally agree with your posting ......you must be sitting in the stands near me because your posting is what I hear being discussed during the games .....unfortunately we are not alone with our concerns....

I wonder how long it will be before we get a posting suggesting we find another club to support......

Re: Time To Panic?
Luton_Blue 28 November, 2019 13:52
well it looks like we've got a new talisman hopefully.

I have always thought a tie up with Northampton would be more advantageous if i'm honest, a more natural fit maybe?

I'm not bothered by the cup, but it's very much as if our season starts here!

If we lose against Ampthill on Boxing Day that'd be a real downer.

Get rid of the solid blue kits!!!!

Re: Time To Panic?
Jonathan Wilcox 28 November, 2019 20:26
When is the person accountable for this mess we find ourselves in, going to be given the Alan Sugar finger?



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Re: Time To Panic?
Jonathan Wilcox 28 November, 2019 20:30

Re: Time To Panic?
TryBlues 29 November, 2019 08:59
Everyone should stop looking at the league table and look at the fixture list before panicking just yet.

2 home, 4 away
The 2 home were against the 2 big money spenders, one of which we were robbed.

You aim to win your home games puts you mid table and try to win up to 50% away puts you Top 4.

We have effectively had 6 away games this season all in the rain which doesn’t suit this squad.

Re: Time To Panic?
Luton_Blue 29 November, 2019 11:55
"We have effectively had 6 away games this season all in the rain which doesn’t suit this squad."

we play rugby, in england and it rains alot? That's a good excuse?

No disrespect but other team equip themselves to play in this countries weather?

Re: Time To Panic?
Luton_Blue 29 November, 2019 11:57
"Bedford Blues will be making full use of their squad this weekend"

We're in trouble! 9 changes = lots of injuries and down to the bare bones.

Re: Time To Panic?
iron blue 29 November, 2019 17:16
To be honest I have never bought into this "we're not good when it rains" mentality but Try Blues makes a good point it's a nonsense the way the fixtures are structured.

Re: Time To Panic?
TryBlues 29 November, 2019 18:56
Quote:
Luton_Blue
"We have effectively had 6 away games this season all in the rain which doesn’t suit this squad."
we play rugby, in england and it rains alot? That's a good excuse?

No disrespect but other team equip themselves to play in this countries weather?

It’s not a good excuse it is a fact! Look how our squad is different this year, Cooper, Clare and Ocampo immobile blocks. Williams as well was large.

They have been replaced with more mobile players to play a higher tempo game again. We were let down by our Welsh prop who decide the eve before pre season not to come which meant we had to find players who need time to develop into the division.

Remember the days when our pack wasn’t great in the set price but we just killed teams in the loose, we’ve gone back to that type of squad again. The weather hasn’t allowed us to play that way. It has been exceptionally wet.

We have been unlucky with the fixture list, losing our only fly half as the other other was on World Cup duty.

Luton_Blue you always look to criticise and you give the feeling you enjoy it when we aren’t doing well.

Oh and for not signing players from lower divisions I thought you said you were a coach at the time we signed lots from way further down the divisions?

Look at Judge signed from ND1, season with us and then Pirates before going to Saracens! There are good players who come up and those who also come down.

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