Newcastle Falcons

Oh and I hope we win just so we can laugh at Genge. His antics from the game in Leicester should be well at the forefront of our players.

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On the team I would have liked to have seen DTH and Mermoz start but we don’t know about injuries?
The key battles for me are at set piece time. We need Welsh to come up big and do well against Genge. Green will need to be competitive at the line out and hopefully steel a few from Tigers.

The backline is mesmerising when you think of the players not in there likes of Matavesi. We could onl have dreamed of that a few seasons ago.

This is going to be a solid scrappy game and I believe Tigers will want to keep it tight with the forwards.

If both sides come to play running rugby with our backline and there’s the 9,10 of Youngs and Ford will be a big weapon. Latu needs to attack the channel and hope we get some joy from the breakdown.

Really looking forward to the game now the atmosphere should be electric.

This game is our toughest test so far in my opinion and should show how far we’ve come as a team. Are we a decent side with top 6 aspirations or have we got a squad capable of shocking the media and critics and challenging for Top 4 and honours this season.

We will know by 5pm Sunday.

I really don't see Tigers keeping it tight we haven't been so far this season.

No disrespecting Leicester but for me the toughest test was against Sarries and Exeter. Those two clubs are now ahead of everyone else imo.

That's a strong team, and can see us winning.

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No disrespecting Leicester but for me the toughest test was against Sarries and Exeter. Those two clubs are now ahead of everyone else imo.

What I meant Lizard was it’s our toughest test so far at home. Technically we were at home to Sarries but it was in Phillidelphia so I’m not counting that as a home game. Exeter I agree with you are along with Sarries miles ahead of the others in the league getting a try bonus point at Sandy Park is testiment to how well we are playing.

Tigers played some fantastic stuff in the first half last week by far the best all season according to their supporters but a few enforced changes and then substitutions totally changed how they were playing and on points scored they actually lost the second half but roll on Sunday and hopefully a W for Falcons.

Pity we've lost our first choice 12 and 13, but the replacements are more experienced, if maybe a fair bit slower, but with the back 3 we have, we don't need to worry about pace in the backs. Expect our pack to dominate the scrum and breakdown and who knows what will happen with our lineout. We need to not kick for touch and use our back 3 to open up holes.

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Pity we've lost our first choice 12 and 13, but the replacements are more experienced, if maybe a fair bit slower, but with the back 3 we have, we don't need to worry about pace in the backs. Expect our pack to dominate the scrum and breakdown and who knows what will happen with our lineout. We need to not kick for touch and use our back 3 to open up holes.

Don't worry sinoti and goneva will run over ur back 3.

Testiment as to how far we have come is that we can now look at games like this and talk about a win rather than a LBP. Kinda get the feeling it's going to go one of two ways, either we cancel each other out being two strong teams , or it's an absolute try-fest. Either way a cracking game anticipated with a rocking full house . Good times !

Let's have some chants, we need to drown out the bloke who tells us to "Make some noise"

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Let's have some chants, we need to drown out the bloke who tells us to "Make some noise"

The chant of the early summer: Newcastle Falcons remix of 7 nation army (the jeremy corbyn one).

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Don't worry sinoti and goneva will run over ur back 3.

I like Sinoti and we know all about Niki, sure it will be a great game.

Got it 35 secs

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Let's have some chants, we need to drown out the bloke who tells us to "Make some noise"

The chant of the early summer: Newcastle Falcons remix of 7 nation army (the jeremy corbyn one).

+1

Although I may "accidentally" revert to singing the Jeremy Corbyn version....

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Let's have some chants, we need to drown out the bloke who tells us to "Make some noise"

The chant of the early summer: Newcastle Falcons remix of 7 nation army (the jeremy corbyn one).

Stand uup for the Faalcons
Stand uup for the Faalcons
Stand uup for the Faalcons
Stand uup for the Faalcons
Stand uup for the Faalcons.

(With apologies to any Ulstermen)

Or, to be very naughty

Tigers tigers in full flight
You really are a load of sxxxe

(With thanks to William Blake)

It's game day, come on falcons let's do this!!!!!!!!!!!

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It's game day, come on falcons let's do this!!!!!!!!!!!

And as promised, a beautiful day for a game of rugby.

I hope is is a good game and all have a safe and enjoyable time

Norfolkfalcon assume Genge had the last laugh great shift from him today

Shame that the sell out crowd were treated to our worst performance of the season. Combination of Newcastle playing poorly and Leicester being a class above. It's really frustrating as we were well in the game until we started to give too many penalties away which killed us.

George Ford ran the show and got a 100% success rate with the boot, which considering his usual inconsistent kicking says a lot and in Veainu I would argue they have the best back in the league.

Negatives. We were diabolical in the scrum highlighted by the scrum we had on their 5 metre line after we were held up. I don't want to be too negative as they have had to play lots of rugby due to other injuries but this game highlights why we cannot rely on just Vickers and Welsh. We were absolutely mullered in each scrum including on our own feed. I was baffled that Deano didn't bring Davison and Mavinga on until the 75th minute, why wait that late when it was clear that they were winning each scrum? I know we were playing against quality opposition in the prop department but it really wasn't good enough. Even with the Wilson tightheads and Lockwood returning I struggle to see how we can improve this area without quality reinforcements next season. Props have to be a priority. Goneva had a shocker despite scoring the penalty and looked disinterested at times but will give him the benefit of the doubt as he is a quality player. Handling was extremely poor with lots of knocked on ball.

Positives. We stopped Leicester gaining a bonus point. Flood looked good alongside Takelua. Struggling to think of many other.

Great atmosphere at the game, but overall so poor what stood out for me was how poor our scrum was a long with everything else.

At 13-14 I fancied our chances, if we d scored early in the second half might have been a different story . Leicester just finished their chances and we didn t. The scrum is a concern but it s technique and can be improved. Don t forget that Leicester pack absolutely mullered a huge Castres pack last weekend .
M.o.m Veaina by a mile don t know how Ford got it over him. Now let's take advantage of the International Window and score some points.

Well I think today has brought us down to earth a bit, our scrum was under pressure all game, we desperately need a class loose head prop. Bobby is an amazing servant to the club but at his age against a future British and Irish lions he got smashed. And still think we need at no8 like Opeti Fonua because we aren't tieing in players and creating spaces to exploit. But against a good Leicester side who fully deserved to win. Tho they didn't get that bonus point



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It wasn't the worst performance of the season. It was up and down like against LI and the Dragons. That was nowhere near good enough against a much improved Leicester. Giving players two weeks off seems not to work, although Socino and Goneva were pretty good.

I thought we were awful today. Tigers dominated in every area without having to do a lot. The defence was woeful neither of the centres showed up and both wingers were poor. Sinoti in particular I thought was poor going forward he gives you something different but how can you support a player when you don’t know what he’s going to do.

A few hit ups and line breaks from JP and Sinoti and that was all. It was as if we lost sight of how we’ve been playing recently.

Up front as expected it was a tough game at the coal face.

The amount of handling errors and stupid decisions to kick but not find touch was infuriating.

Flood looked like he didn’t want to be out their no idea why?

Mr Barnes didn’t help matters with every 50/50 going Tigers way. How he missed the blatant hit on Harris from Tigers 8 was shocking. Tigers were offside continually but we didn’t play them at their own game.

Overall we were the architects of our own downfall in toothless defence and very little attack.

Big changes needed over the next few weeks and stern talking need to be said. I’m so disappointed that we left our worst performance of the season for our first sell out.

Think Falcons Thunder has got it right. Sometimes you get beaten by a better side. The Tigers were very good today. Just a blip on our progress radar.

I felt it was a simple game we lost today.

Our wingers defended badly and their wingers took eager advantage.

Big changes needed??
Some strange comments on certain performances here but hey we all have our opinions.
Come on folks let have some perspective on this. We were beaten by a better team on the day. They were clinical in most areas and we were not. Our set piece in general was disappointing (it has been our strength this season) missed tackles, ill discipline which cost us a lot of possession and it's all these cumulative things that cost us today I feel.
Let's be honest we are all very disappointed at the result but some on the comments here are an over reaction.
Their front row was always going to cause us problems with their pedigree and Ellis Genge is some player.
We are going to have these setbacks from time to time but it's how we react to them that matters.
If we are disappointed think how the guys are feeling.
A bad day at the office yes.....but we will learn by it I'm sure!

Absolutely Cantabrian......that's exactly it today!!

At 13-14 we had a chance to score. Noah opted for a cheeky dink through which didn't result in any points. Had we held our nerve a little longer, taken a 20-14 lead, things would have been different, probably. We were beaten by a side containing numerous internationals who had more patience and, dare I say it, a little more accuracy than we did.

Well I enjoyed watching the game -Tigers are looking very strong and on the up. I cannot remember Ford kicking so well before today. Since leaving Gloucester May appears transformed, running straight when before he seemed to run across the pitch. Veainu in the first half was electric and of course they have their Forwards power. It looks as they will be some competition for most teams this season. BUT Tigers team must cost an arm and a leg compared to the Falcons - these games happen

Genuine question - Am I in the minority who thinks our scrum has been sub standard this season? I know it's been stated that statistically our scrum hasn't pretty good success rate but we do end up giving away a fair amount of penalties and sometimes backwards momentum from our scrums.

Again, no dig at Vickers and Welsh as they are capable of doing a job but they need help. Will we ever see anything to suggest re-signing Davey Wilson was worthwhile? Will Scott Wilson be able to get back to his form that got him an England Saxon place with all of his long term injuries? Lockwood looked promising when his brief start was abrupted by long term injury last year. Can he get back to play to that level again? I really hope it is yes to all but I do have doubts.

I'd do anything for similar props to Exeter ability wise. Nothing flashy but they provide a very solid foundation for the rest of the team to just play. Our backs would thrive from it.

It sounded on the radio like we struggled to cope with Leicester's intensity in the first half, and they were just too strong overall.

These games will happen, it's another reality check I guess. Onwards and upwards after the AW Cup games!

the prop issue is a massive problem for us were constantly on the back foot and need alternatives, unfortunately the sicknote wilsons aren't the answer and until this area is sorted were gonna struggle to kick on. don't know what mickey ward is coaching at scrum time but it certainly aint working

Tigers are hitting a bit of form with this side, many new faces in the side, but all comfortable with what needs to be done and for the most part we are starting to come together. Your side wasn't bad, just knocked out of stride by a side climbing the league.

Leicester played well and we didn’t.

We were off the pace and our quality dropped today and you can’t do that against good teams.

The half time score flattered us although we were still in the game, but Leicester were the better team on the day and deserved to win.

Our scrum struggled and the line out was arguably worse. Without a decent set piece it makes it very difficult to win matches. I was concerned about our front row holding up against Leicester’s 1-3 and so it proved but a lot of teams would struggle against England internationals and Lions.

However, it is only one game and if we get back to how we can play it will soon be forgotten.

Top teams play well consistently and that’s what we have to aspire to do if we want to compete at the right end of the Premiership

We are still in a good position in the league and in Europe and I am enjoying this start to the season more so than for many years.

Now ive calmed down a bit and safely at work flat after the 3 hour drive to reflect on the game, maybe I was initially harsh. A lot of pressure on the boys this week as the game has been hyped up and a full house. We didn’t have a good day at the office. I still believe some of the players on show weren’t at the races today but it happens it’s not dire and wasn’t like Bath away last year so I hope we can write it off and go again.

Note to self don’t gob off after the game when emotions are still running high.

Our scrum is an issue FACT we need a LH and a extra TH and with the wilsons and Lockwood seem to be never injury free enough to play consistently enough now is the time to recruit. Look down at the Southern Hemisphere for a Prop

FRANCOIS VAN WYK
JERMAINE AINSLEY
JC JANSE VAN RENSBURG
JOHN-HUBERT MEYER
THOMAS DU TOIT

I'm sure with Kyle here he could recommend a couple for good SA props

The result was the right one on the day but I was disappointed because we made so many mistakes and unforced errors. Missed touch kicks, dropped passes and silly penalties are the difference between pressing and letting the other side back in. Still, I would have taken equal fourth on points at this stage.

My thoughts on the game:

I'm still struggling to see why Willis didn't get a game unless he's injured. He has the pace to attack the line, Flood has no pace at all now, I don't see him as being significantly better than Willis, he's more suited to controlling a game we're ahead in, in my opinion. If I was Willis and DTH I'd feel hard done by to be left out after watching yesterday's effort.

We need new props if we've got the money - our scrum is just underpowered

3 Deliberate late hits on Falcons players - no cards not your best effort Mr. Barnes

The powers that be need to give goal kickers thirty seconds to make a kick and tell teams to hurry up and make a decision - women have given birth in the time it took Ford to kick penalties [www.fitpregnancy.com] [www.mirror.co.uk]

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Our scrum is an issue FACT we need a LH and a extra TH and with the wilsons and Lockwood seem to be never injury free enough to play consistently enough now is the time to recruit. Look down at the Southern Hemisphere for a Prop
FRANCOIS VAN WYK
JERMAINE AINSLEY
JC JANSE VAN RENSBURG
JOHN-HUBERT MEYER
THOMAS DU TOIT

I'm sure with Kyle here he could recommend a couple for good SA props

Yeah some good ones there out of all of them I would have Thomas Du Toit played well for Munster when he was on loan there, also there is a good number of other quality ones also. Definitely think it's an area where we need to improve on for next season.

I agree with Bedlington Lad about the time Ford took to take the penalties in that it was an age so no wonder the crowd became restless at times. I understand that quality kickers need to go through their routines but they should be aware of the law on the time limit and practice accordingly.

Kraken

I don't think one of your comments in there is appropriate

that topic is never appropriate on a public forum when used as a quip

The time limit is 1 minute, the very best kickers practice to that.
I used to think exactly the same thing about Farrell and 'put the clock' on him. His style is metronomic and every kick I've measured has been within 2 seconds of 55 seconds. I suspect you'd find the same thing with Ford. A minute is a surprisingly long time, and these players are, by their very nature, obsessives.

As a Falcons fan I agree with IanC. I clearly saw Wayne Barnes checking his watch during preparations for kicks.

60 secs for a penalty and 90 secs for a conversion

You're right, of course.
The 90 seconds is in the Laws
9.B.1(e) Taking a conversion kick

(e) The kicker must take the kick within one minute and thirty seconds (ninety seconds) from the time a try has been awarded. The player must take the kick within one minute and thirty seconds even if the ball rolls over and has to be placed again.

Sanction: The kick is disallowed if the kicker does not take the kick within the time allowed.

I think, but happy to be proved wrong, that the 60 seconds from when a penalty kick at the posts is indicated is a competition regulation. You'll note that the good kickers wait as long as they can (often almost to having the tee) before pointing at the posts.

Is it not 60 secs from the tee being placed

I think it's indicating that you're going for the posts, but I haven't checked. It's probably on teh Premiership website but it isn't the most navigational friendly!

Flood takes as long.