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London Irish and Paddy Jackson
Discussion started by aidanb , 11 June, 2019 23:26
London Irish and Paddy Jackson
aidanb 11 June, 2019 23:26
it seems it hasn't started too well

advertiser unhappy

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
Exiled Falcon 12 June, 2019 06:34
Canít say I donít sympathise with their sponsors viewpoint but I always find it amusing when drinks companies moralise.

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
dick g 12 June, 2019 06:49
LI have been very foolish and should expect this sort of reaction. Sponsorship is about image and a brand doesn't want to be associated with one that has become tarnished. Sports stars have a dimension to their roles which extends beyond performance. We might not like it, but this is the reality. When people think about these players, what us the first thing that comes to mind?

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
Monkey1 12 June, 2019 07:31
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Diageo, which owns Guinness and is the team's main sponsor, said his signing was "not consistent with our values".


https://www.askideas.com/media/13/Funny-Drunk-Man-Picture.jpg



As EF says, any company that flogs large volumes of alcoholic drinks is in a pretty poor position to lecture on morals.

Having said that, only an idiot would touch Paddy Jackson in any sort of commercial operation. LI only have themselves to blame if their main sponsor pulls out.

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
dick g 12 June, 2019 09:42
Quote:
Monkey1
Quote:
Diageo, which owns Guinness and is the team's main sponsor, said his signing was "not consistent with our values".


https://www.askideas.com/media/13/Funny-Drunk-Man-Picture.jpg



As EF says, any company that flogs large volumes of alcoholic drinks is in a pretty poor position to lecture on morals.

Having said that, only an idiot would touch Paddy Jackson in any sort of commercial operation. LI only have themselves to blame if their main sponsor pulls out.

No.

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
steve1888 12 June, 2019 09:53
To be fair he was found not guilty and people who have been found guilty get 2nd chances don't say ? our DOR instructed someone to be cut to cheat.

Should Wasps not sign Zach due to similar allegation?

There's numerous drink drivers playing etc

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
aidanb 12 June, 2019 10:22
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Exiled Falcon
Canít say I donít sympathise with their sponsors viewpoint but I always find it amusing when drinks companies moralise.

Quote:
Monkey1
Quote:
Diageo, which owns Guinness and is the team's main sponsor, said his signing was "not consistent with our values".


https://www.askideas.com/media/13/Funny-Drunk-Man-Picture.jpg



As EF says, any company that flogs large volumes of alcoholic drinks is in a pretty poor position to lecture on morals.

Having said that, only an idiot would touch Paddy Jackson in any sort of commercial operation. LI only have themselves to blame if their main sponsor pulls out.


I'm not sure I agree with those sentiments.

In essence you are blaming the drinks company for the fact that some idiot went out and got hammered on alcohol and then behaved like an idiot. Many many people drink alcohol and don't make a show of themselves or cause trouble. The behavior is in the idiot not the alcohol

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
Monkey1 12 June, 2019 12:07
I am not having a pop at drinks manufacturers, but I agree that they are on shaky ground if they intend to take a high moral stand, that is all.

As for Jackson, so many people get up on a soap box because he was found not guilty of a particular crime. That is not the issue, not even slightly. It is what was revealed during that process that many people find utterly repugnant, specifically his attitude to women.

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
steve1888 12 June, 2019 12:18
It was a group chat on whatsapp , there'll be woman with exactly the same chats on their phones nowadays.

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
nursepete 12 June, 2019 12:43
I just think that LI and Jackson could have managed the situation in a much better way, either by saying at the time of signing "We are aware of sensitivities this signing may cause" or "we are aware of judgements in the past which Paddy has apologized for" and it would allow him to show some contrition(?) - to ignore the case and situation smacks of arrogance on both parties part in my opinion.
I personally am not surprised sponsors will remove themselves from business with Irish in this circumstance

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
dick g 12 June, 2019 14:27
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steve1888
It was a group chat on whatsapp , there'll be woman with exactly the same chats on their phones nowadays.

Which doesn't make it right.

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
Monkey1 12 June, 2019 14:39
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steve1888
It was a group chat on whatsapp , there'll be woman with exactly the same chats on their phones nowadays.

No doubt there are millions of equally revolting people, both men and women, with morals & communications that mark them out as highly unpleasant. As Dick says, that doesn't make it right, it just makes the world a more uncivilised place.

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
steve1888 12 June, 2019 15:09
Does it make it actually wrong though or just not to the taste of some ?

Surely it's less wrong than drink driving? Less wrong that getting someone cut to cheat? Less wrong them braying somebody on the floor ?

I could understand player sponsors pulling away like with Folau but not sponsoring team is going to far.

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
Benpj17 12 June, 2019 15:21
Iím sure the Austrian sponsors would have pulled away if action hadnít been taken against Falou

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
dick g 12 June, 2019 16:06
[quote steve1888]Does it make it actually wrong though or just not to the taste of some ?

The suggestion that the behaviour might be "to the taste" of anyone is beyond comprehension.

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
steve1888 12 June, 2019 16:46
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Benpj17
Iím sure the Austrian sponsors would have pulled away if action hadnít been taken against Falou

Didnt realise he was a Skier :p

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
steve1888 12 June, 2019 16:50
[quote dick g][quote steve1888]Does it make it actually wrong though or just not to the taste of some ?

The suggestion that the behaviour might be "to the taste" of anyone is beyond comprehension.[/quote]

Times change , people are different and all that. I can't comprehend why anyone would risk lives drink driving but they do and there's players who have been convicted play with no issues.

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
dick g 12 June, 2019 17:13
[quote steve1888][quote dick g][quote steve1888]Does it make it actually wrong though or just not to the taste of some ?

The suggestion that the behaviour might be "to the taste" of anyone is beyond comprehension.[/quote]

Times change , people are different and all that. I can't comprehend why anyone would risk lives drink driving but they do and there's players who have been convicted play with no issues.[/quote]

Comparing one form of unnaceptable behaviour to another in a bid to deflect criticism is a pretty poor arguement.

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
steve1888 12 June, 2019 17:27
Not really , it's relevant as that is accepted but yet Jackson isnt getting the chance to carry on.

We also signed Crockett and Higgins after drugs bans , should out sponsors have pulled away from the team ?

Re: London Irish and Paddy Jackson
SimonG19 12 June, 2019 17:55
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steve1888
It was a group chat on whatsapp , there'll be woman with exactly the same chats on their phones nowadays.

Then London Irish shouldn't sign them either!

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