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3rd April 2020

RFU Confirmed Newcastle Falcons’ promotion to the Gallagher Premiership for the 2020-21 season

Sinner Sarries
Discussion started by dick g , 06 November, 2019 09:16
Sinner Sarries
dick g 06 November, 2019 09:16
Thought I'd kick this off. The conviction seems pretty sound. The verdict was passed by a body independent of Prem Rugby. I can't do the sums, but is it possible for Sarries to overcome the deficit? How many more wins than the opposition do they need to stay up. Given that the club's success in recent seasons has been achieved via "illegal" sides, should the punishment have been more draconian?

By the way, I am experiencing difficulty getting in this site at the moment. The gorithms are giving me a hard time. If I vanish, it does not mean I am dead.

Re: Sinner Sarries
Bedlington Lad 06 November, 2019 10:13
Hi Dick - we're discussing this under the oh dear leicester thread

Re: Sinner Sarries
steve1888 06 November, 2019 11:52
They would have managed last season , see what happens with their appeal first.

Re: Sinner Sarries
There's 35 seconds to go 06 November, 2019 11:56
They would have managed last season , see what happens with their appeal first.

With a cap busting squad...

Re: Sinner Sarries
limpopo 06 November, 2019 14:47

Re: Sinner Sarries
matt1il 06 November, 2019 21:51
dick g
I can't do the sums, but is it possible for Sarries to overcome the deficit? How many more wins than the opposition do they need to stay up.

Purely on wins, they'd need to have 7BP wins more than 12th*, or 9 std wins. They had 10 more than us last season...

Top 4 looks out the question, the average pts for 4th is 63, with last year having the lowest at 56, the highest being 68. So they'd need an average of 98pts, which would req. 17BP wins and 1 std win in the remaining 19 matches.

I struggle to see how they've been punished if these payments aren't in the rules but in fact a grey area, I was expecting that the rules would be tightened up but that they'd get away with no punishment, pleasentley surprised, but think their fans complaining have had 5 years of good time followed by 1 bad at the moment

Re: Sinner Sarries
steve1888 07 November, 2019 06:29
I find it puzzling the panel agreed they didn't purposely breach the cap but then hit them with these sanctions.

I hope we don't lose top English players to France over it and also hope it doesn't effect their use of homegrown talent too.

I'm guessing others will have to change their practices now too. This could yet drag on for a while and be interesting to see where it all ends.

Re: Sinner Sarries
dick g 07 November, 2019 09:30
Sarries did not purposely breach the cap rules, but skilfully found a way around them. The independent panel must have decided that this offended the intention of the cap. Quite right too. Hopefully this gap will now be plugged.

I have seen a claim from Sarries that their scheme (scam) was merely a question of taking care of the players involved. Can we now expect to learn that every member of the Sarrie's squad is a business partner of Mr Wray. I am not holding my breath!

Re: Sinner Sarries
Falcona 10 November, 2019 13:24
Saracens' punishment leaves Newcastle coach Dean Richards with 'mixed feelings'


Re: Sinner Sarries
Barry555 10 November, 2019 16:15
This was taken from journo Alastair Eykyn on Twitter -

“Some clarity from trusted sources re Wray’s (correct) assertion that salary cap breach was not deliberate. There’s a sliding scale of responsibility: 1Deliberate/2Reckless/3Negligent/4Accidental. Saracens weren’t found to have acted deliberately, but deemed to have been reckless”

Whilst I understand in Euro comps English teams up against French sides with next to no salary restrictions so can understand reasoning behind it. But in the Prem everyone assumes everyone else is working at a set level. I reckon Sarries will have some of thier points reinstated on appeal...... but I don’t think they can complain if they don’t.

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