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Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Discussion started by aidanb , 11 February, 2020 14:16
Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
aidanb 11 February, 2020 14:16
Championship funding to be cut in half



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/02/2020 09:54 by aidanb.

Re: Rumour
telfs123 11 February, 2020 16:14
Seen this all over the twittersphere today. If that’s the case, you have to imagine ring fencing is next.

Re: Rumour
GeordieFalcon 11 February, 2020 16:19
Yeah you would have thought so.

Re: Rumour
alas 11 February, 2020 19:31
Maybe they can find something else to fine Sarries for and distribute the money to the other championship clubs.

Re: Rumour
alas 11 February, 2020 21:12

Re: Rumour
Falc Dancer 12 February, 2020 08:37
Reading an RFU statement this morning, the cut in funding is the RFU reverting to 2015 levels in funding. It appears they don’t believe they got value for money from the increase in funding as the Championship doesn’t provide players for the national side

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Falcona 12 February, 2020 10:33
For immediate release: Wednesday 12 February, 2020
Issued on behalf of The Greene King IPA Championship


RFU funding of the Greene King IPA Championship

The Rugby Football Union (RFU) will continue to provide financial support to the Greene King IPA Championship next season (2020/21) following the conclusion of the current agreement which ends in June.

Aggregate funding will amount to approximately £288,000 per club and represents a return to the levels of funding prior to the 2016 - 2020 cycle.

As previously, elements of this funding will be ringfenced and increased for player medical insurance and be conditional on meeting England Qualified Player (EQP) targets.

Bill Sweeney, RFU CEO said “This is a decision based on a principle of ensuring levels of investment are geared to a clear return on investment. There are many worthy requirements from both the professional and community game and we need to make sure that every pound spent is clearly justified. The decision we have made is connected to a wider review of strategic objectives and resource allocation.

“The decision taken in 2015 to increase Championship funding significantly was against a set of objectives and deliverables that we do not believe have been achieved.

“Ultimately the difference in the levels of funding between the current agreement and our new commitment will not be the deciding factor for clubs with aspirations for promotion and will always require additional investment. The gateway is still open for clubs to get into the Premiership if they have the necessary financial resources and meet the minimum standards required.

"The Championship is, and will continue to be, a useful way for players to get additional developmental experience, but we do not believe it is the primary place where Premiership and England players are discovered and developed.”

-ends-

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
GeordieFalcon 12 February, 2020 11:21
So this will mean evenmore responsibility for clubs like the falcons to have their academy...and links to clubs around them.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Monkey1 12 February, 2020 12:18
This does look like the drawbridge coming up for a 13 team Premiership league. Not surprising as the gulf between elite level rugby & the rest has increased over the years. We have the smallest budget of the lot, but we still dwarf the other clubs in the Championship. It is the professional clubs who nurture & employ the professional players, and these are the ones that earn the money to be brutally honest, so those outside of that group can't really complain if they don't get their hands on that income stream.

The Championship clubs will squeal like stuck pigs and I have sympathy for their point of view, but it has been inevitable for some time and they can't complain that they didn't see it coming.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Exiled Falcon 12 February, 2020 13:23
It would be nice if the RFU were a little clearer with regard to what exactly their expectations for the Championship were. At least then there could maybe be some justification / context for what doesn't seem to be a particularly popular move.

Having said that, on this board we have had comments that a lot of clubs have pretty poor infrastructure and even more comments that the standard in the Championship is pretty dire. Therefore you can maybe see where the RFU are coming from. As long as the £3m or whatever is invested in grass roots / facilities etc etc.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Barry555 12 February, 2020 15:31
Quote:
Monkey1
This does look like the drawbridge coming up for a 13 team Premiership league. Not surprising as the gulf between elite level rugby & the rest has increased over the years. We have the smallest budget of the lot, but we still dwarf the other clubs in the Championship. It is the professional clubs who nurture & employ the professional players, and these are the ones that earn the money to be brutally honest, so those outside of that group can't really complain if they don't get their hands on that income stream.
The Championship clubs will squeal like stuck pigs and I have sympathy for their point of view, but it has been inevitable for some time and they can't complain that they didn't see it coming.

Spot on Monkey. Can't expect funding to be dished out when you don't see the return. Clubs need their own backers to pump money into the clubs knowing they probably won't see it back again if they want to get to Prem standard. As is mentioned we work on smallest budget in the Prem yet we dwarf the Championship clubs.

However I do have some sympathy with the Champ clubs . . . .. . have the RFU succeeded in providing them in any Championship specific funding or championship specific TV deal? It is a RFU tournament after all.

Vicious circle of not many big backers willing and no Championship specific funding.

Bad times for Champ clubs im afraid!

Statements from Championship Clubs
Falcona 12 February, 2020 16:32
Statements Coming in from Championship Clubs

For immediate release: Wednesday 12 February, 2020
Issued on behalf of Nottingham Rugby

In response to the RFU funding announcement

STATEMENT FROM THE CHAIRMAN

On the morning of Tuesday 11th February, just prior to arriving at Twickenham for a Championship Club’s meeting with the RFU, I (Alistair Bow) received a letter from their new Chief Executive - Bill Sweeney, backed up by a presentation, outlining their decision to cut Championship funding by approximately 50% next season and with no guarantee of funding at all thereafter. The RFU have now released a statement detailing this news to the media.

As I am sure you will expect, it has come as somewhat of a surprise to most, if not all Championship Clubs’ and it puts almost all clubs in a very difficult position. There has been no warning, no opportunity for negotiation, or discussion and very little notice to be able to make informed business decisions on the back of it.

Clubs, including Nottingham, have been in the process of securing contracts for players and coaches in recent months and these will need to be reviewed alongside a thorough assessment of what our future trading and performance might look like. It will also come as a huge shock to players, coaches and support staff across the game and I am sure will affect many people’s livelihoods.

The Nottingham Rugby board are extremely disappointed with the RFU announcement and subsequent reduction in funding, but we are even more disappointed and somewhat astounded at the underhand and deplorable way that we feel this has been communicated. To give Championship Clubs next to no notice to be able to take action is not acceptable and we will be meeting urgently to review our strategy and consider our position going forwards.

The club will be making a further statement following a period of reflection by the board.

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For immediate release: Wednesday 12 February, 2020
Issued on behalf of Coventry Rugby

Coventry Rugby statement

Coventry Rugby’s management has noted today’s announcement by the Rugby Football Union with regard to central funding for the 2020/21 season.

We are obviously disappointed by the decision, especially as it is punishing us against deliverables which were set out while Coventry Rugby was not in the Championship, even though we meet key objectives such as pathways for our players and coaches as well as a thriving community programme which is above some Premiership standards.

We are also disappointed that the RFU has not been transparent in its statement in that the reduction represents a 50 percent cut, and that at no point has funding – England qualified players aside – been contingent on meeting the objectives set out in the rationale given to the national media, nor has there been any audit process in place.

Nevertheless, we remain committed to being a professional rugby club that the people of Coventry and Warwickshire can be proud of, which is already reflected in the 10 percent increase in attendances we have had this season. We have invested into Butts Park Arena to make it a multi-sport and community hub and have an expansive Academy system which will in time bring the best young players from the area through to play for the first team.

There is still plenty of discussion to be had as we plan for the future, but we remain focused on finishing the current season as positively as we can.

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For immediate release: Wednesday 12 February, 2020
Issued on behalf of Jersey Reds

Reds react to RFU funding bombshell

Jersey Reds have issued a strong riposte to the Rugby Football Union’s announcement of major funding cuts for clubs in the Greene King IPA Championship.

The 12 clubs in English rugby’s second tier, including the Reds, were informed yesterday that annual central funding of £480,000 was to be cut to £288,000 – or 40% – from the end of the current season in May. The RFU confirmed the decision publicly in an announcement this morning by CEO Bill Sweeney.

The decision will have very significant implications for rugby at Championship level, although Reds Chairman Mark Morgan said that the club will be working on a plan to remain as a professional outfit competing at Championship level.

Mark Morgan said: “Championship clubs have been trying for months to get clarity around funding following the end of the current funding agreement this summer. To be presented with this fait accompli when teams are already hiring for next season is immoral and irresponsible.

“There has been zero consultation, engagement, nor explanation before the announcement and no vision for the future of the Championship was provided. With Bill Sweeney’s heralded business background, this is astonishingly poor execution.

“The RFU has talked about ‘missed objectives’. I have attended every Championship meeting at Twickenham over the past 4 years but do not recall this ever being raised by RFU.

“The position the RFU has taken is disrespectful to the great work being done by Championship clubs and the army of volunteers that are involved at all levels who work to deliver a quality product and developmental opportunities for players and coaches alike.

“The lack of any indication about funding beyond the end of the 2020/21 season is a glaring omission and can only be aimed at creating further uncertainty.”

Morgan and other senior officials at the club will be discussing the matter further over the coming days.

“We only received this news at 8am yesterday [Tuesday] but have already been looking at the implications for Jersey Reds,” he added. “A huge amount of hard work, on and off the field, over the past 10 years or more, has made us an established presence in the Championship, finishing in the top half of the table for the last four seasons.

“The club is a major generator of income for the Island and attracts significant numbers of visitors to Jersey. In just a couple of weeks several hundred Newcastle Falcons supporters are set to invade the Island for their club’s fixture here, each spending significant sums during their off-season visit.

“We have no intention of giving up on competing professionally at this level without a fight, and will be talking to all stakeholders in the coming weeks about how we can maintain the club’s position. Clearly a sudden and unexpected drop in income is a massive factor, and not something that we can just shrug off, but we will be seeking to adjust to the cards that have been dealt to us.”

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
aidanb 12 February, 2020 16:47

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
dick g 12 February, 2020 18:35
If, as it has been reported, Champ clubs have not achieved the goals set and have used the dosh as a subsidy, then it is not totally surprising that the RFU has cut the amount it grants.

I think, however, the money should become a prize pot with varying amounts given to successful Champ clubs. The best of these - not more than two or three will be interested - can then prepare for applying to join the ringfenced Premiership.

When they are up, the Championship can become the semi-pro league it is best equipped to be.

Can the English game support more than one pro league? I think not.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
aidanb 12 February, 2020 20:23
Quote:
dick g
If, as it has been reported, Champ clubs have not achieved the goals set and have used the dosh as a subsidy, then it is not totally surprising that the RFU has cut the amount it grants.
I think, however, the money should become a prize pot with varying amounts given to successful Champ clubs. The best of these - not more than two or three will be interested - can then prepare for applying to join the ringfenced Premiership.

When they are up, the Championship can become the semi-pro league it is best equipped to be.

Can the English game support more than one pro league? I think not.

The clubs have all said no such performance targets existed before they were told they’d been measured against them

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
tomthepom 12 February, 2020 21:29
Quote:
Monkey1

The Championship clubs will squeal like stuck pigs and I have sympathy for their point of view, but it has been inevitable for some time and they can't complain that they didn't see it coming.

Not a fan of your 'pig' analogy Monkey, not very sympathetic... the real pigs are surely in the RFU and PRL ranks with their snouts deep in troughs of cash, claret and G&T?

Inevitable? Sure, the widespread cuts by the RFU in other areas made it unlikely the GKIPAC would survive unscathed - only Eddie's RWC budget did that. But a 40% haircut, less than 3 months before the end of the season, with less than 24 hrs notice prior to the announcement, zero discussion and no adequate explanation? That's different gravy. So yes we can complain that we didn't see [the extent of] it coming. Who do you think we are - Mystic F**king Meg?!

Are you coming to Jersey in 2 weeks? If so, suggest we avoid this as a topic of conversation...

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Exiled Falcon 12 February, 2020 22:25
I suppose Tom, just to be devils advocate, if the RFU looked at your squad (according to Wikipedia) you have about 22 out of 34 squad members who aren’t English. They aren’t really going to see that as a good use of their funding and you can’t really blame them.

Certainly can’t defend their lack of notice however, and I still want to know what the expectations for Championship clubs was.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
tomthepom 13 February, 2020 08:15
Amazed that people still trust Wikipedia as a credible source of info, it takes no account of whether players are English-qualified or not. Probably lists Manu Tuilagi as Samoan for all I know/care. Current funding is dependent on having 16 EQPs in every match-day squad, averaged over each month, and we (Jersey) have always exceeded that number. It would be impossible not to, as have never had more than the maximum allowed number of non-EQP fit and and available for selection...

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Exiled Falcon 13 February, 2020 08:25
Fair comment Tom, and I did qualify as 'according to Wikipedia'! I find it quite surprising that you still only need 70% EQP in the Championship but that's another argument altogether.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Monkey1 13 February, 2020 08:50
Tom.

Squeal like stuck pigs is a well known saying, and refers to the sound made by pigs when you poke them with a stick. I didn't call anybody a pig.

Please note that you did call people pigs.

In England it is considered unacceptable to call people pigs. Perhaps things are different in Jersey.

As for the money side of things, I would not be surprised if this stems from the rumblings within PRL at present, and clubs like ours arguing that the salary cap has become ridiculously unaffordable by most clubs, leaving them with the options of either living beyond their means such as Wasps, who are looking like a financial time-bomb, or not being able to compete. If the 13 clubs in the cartel are arguing for a greater slice of the dosh which they earn through TV rights etc & by providing the RFU with its international players, they could put a lot of pressure on the RFU.

The Championship does not have much in the way of commercial appeal. That is a plain fact, and unless something happens to change that, it will never earn enough money to meet the ambitions of the clubs that try to compete in that competition. The extra money that was pumped in by the RFU from 2015 onwards was very clearly stated as being to achieve certain aims. If those aims have not been met then the extra funding can be reasonably stopped at the end of that agreed period. I don't have a problem with any of that, but the timing, and it appears that consultation & negotiations about funding after this period has been pretty much zero, is completely unacceptable. That is utterly shambolic. I don't see how the RFU can justify giving less than 12 months notice of this sort of change.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Bedlington Lad 13 February, 2020 09:20
I thought this was payback by the RFU for Championship clubs not accepting ringfencing?

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
saruman 13 February, 2020 10:34
Horrific to think the champ clubs were at such risk of the RFU treating them this way. It’s a cheap shot in more ways than one.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Exiled Falcon 13 February, 2020 11:39
Nothing excuses the lack of notice and timing. However it maybe is a fair question to ask, having received their £500k, why there has been no evident increase in standard.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
saruman 13 February, 2020 12:05
Quote:
Exiled Falcon
Nothing excuses the lack of notice and timing. However it maybe is a fair question to ask, having received their £500k, why there has been no evident increase in standard.

How do we know there hasn’t, other than the vague RFU statement ?

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Exiled Falcon 13 February, 2020 12:12
By watching them saruman, the standard hasn't exactly been praised to the rafters on these boards.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
dick g 13 February, 2020 14:40
Quote:
Bedlington Lad
I thought this was payback by the RFU for Championship clubs not accepting ringfencing?

Careful Bed old son. Has there been any evidence that the Championship rejected ringfencing or is this another rumour doing the rounds before becoming a "fact"?

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
bigfecker 13 February, 2020 15:01
The money saved will not go into grass roots, it will go to cover the £1M+ overspend on the England team each year and repaying the vast overspend on the Twickers boxes (which apparently break even in 2190).

Be careful what you support as fans, because from what I have seen Falcons need to recruit massively to stay in the Premiership next season. It could be well be that you are locked out of the Premiership and somebody like Ealing or Coventry is in (as they have big backing).

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Exiled Falcon 13 February, 2020 15:26
I don't know enough about the RFU's finances but it would be criminal if some if not all of the savings was diverted to growing the game / grass roots.

You've kind of hit the nail on the head with regard to the current conundrum in English rugby bigfecker, that of the backers of Ealing for instance. Yes they obviously have powerful backers however no one wants to watch them apart from maybe a core of 600 or 700 which is woeful. In other words, the 14th or 15th best club in England can't attract 1,000. Basically no one wants to watch Championship rugby so you are on a real downer trying to attract any sort of sponsorship. The RFU could plough millions in but Ealing and others' crowds are still going to be pants. Quite sad really.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
GeordieFalcon 13 February, 2020 15:27
Rumours now that the Championship will bring in a Salary cap of £2.5m

That would screw Saracens big time....

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Monkey1 13 February, 2020 15:32
I think the RFU already backs rugby at the grass roots levels quite well, that is the feedback I get anyway. It is the Championship which is in limbo between grass roots & the professional game that nobody seems to know what to do with. It encompasses a wide range of clubs from the likes of Bedford & Pirates, down to some almost completely amateur clubs, with the occasional ego trip flash in the pan like Ealing.

I don't know what the answer is, I don't even know what the question is to be honest. Does anybody even know what the Championship is or what it is supposed to be? It is certainly a big old mess.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Barry555 13 February, 2020 16:46
I’ve been an advocate for ringfencing for a while.

And I’ve always mentioned clubs need to be able to put their own/backers money into their clubs on a large scale and shouldn’t just relay on RFU money.

But a large part of the argument of ringfencing is to close the gap and raise standards. I don’t see the point in ringfencing then cutting funding to these clubs that require the support?

Whilst this is highlights the gulf in all aspects of club rugby between Championship and the Prem I do feel for the players and clubs in the championship. Perhaps the RFU can release the sponsor rights of the league to the clubs so they can actively seek funding themselves?

More statements
Falcona 13 February, 2020 17:07
For immediate release: Thursday 13 February, 2020
Issued on behalf of Ampthill Rugby

Statement on behalf of Ampthill and District RUFC: RFU funding cuts to Championship Clubs

On Tuesday the 11th February 2020, we received a letter from the CEO to the RFU Mr. Bill Sweeney. This letter informed clubs that there will be a 50% reduction in funding to Championship Clubs for the 2020/21 season.

Since we have had the privilege of being promoted to compete in the Greene King IPA Championship, we have been working with our fellow members of the Championship Clubs Committee to ascertain what is happening post conclusion of the current four-year agreement.

There has been no dialogue between the Championship Clubs Committee and the RFU about the dramatic reduction in funding. There has been no consultation and at best we as a Club can only describe it as unfortunate, unprofessional and a short-sighted view from the RFU. At this stage there are no promises of funding beyond next season.

On the same day Chairman Alex Radley attended a meeting of the Championship Clubs Committee at Twickenham where Mr. Sweeney delivered a presentation about the cuts.

We considered that the presentation lacked evidence, was factually wrong in places and completely undervalued the Championship as an RFU competition.

The funding gap has made a move to Premiership Rugby all but a pipe dream for many and has by any other name ‘ring fenced’ that competition for its members.

This news is a hammer blow to all of the clubs in the Championship. In our case, this will cause us to reconsider the fundamental improvements to the club that we have been crying out for over the past years such as the potential move to another venue.

The management will now need to review all aspects of the running of the Club to make sure that we get the best possible outcome for all our stakeholders, members, players, support staff and volunteers.

Most disappointing was the lack of appreciation of the benefits a club such as Ampthill provides to its community, members and the game as a whole.

The decision will be looked at closely over the next few weeks and any updates will be reported on the website and social media.

Alex Radley
Chairman Ampthill and District RUFC

Mark Lavery
Director of Rugby

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
bigfecker 13 February, 2020 19:28
Quote:
Exiled Falcon
I don't know enough about the RFU's finances but it would be criminal if some if not all of the savings was diverted to growing the game / grass roots.
You've kind of hit the nail on the head with regard to the current conundrum in English rugby bigfecker, that of the backers of Ealing for instance. Yes they obviously have powerful backers however no one wants to watch them apart from maybe a core of 600 or 700 which is woeful. In other words, the 14th or 15th best club in England can't attract 1,000. Basically no one wants to watch Championship rugby so you are on a real downer trying to attract any sort of sponsorship. The RFU could plough millions in but Ealing and others' crowds are still going to be pants. Quite sad really.

Bedford averaging nearly 3,000 per match, some of the Prem sides can't do that, thinking Not Nots.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
bigfecker 13 February, 2020 19:39
Quote:
Barry555
I’ve been an advocate for ringfencing for a while.
And I’ve always mentioned clubs need to be able to put their own/backers money into their clubs on a large scale and shouldn’t just relay on RFU money.

But a large part of the argument of ringfencing is to close the gap and raise standards. I don’t see the point in ringfencing then cutting funding to these clubs that require the support?

Whilst this is highlights the gulf in all aspects of club rugby between Championship and the Prem I do feel for the players and clubs in the championship. Perhaps the RFU can release the sponsor rights of the league to the clubs so they can actively seek funding themselves?

They don't just rely on RFU money, most of the playing budget is between £1M and £2M in the Championship, the RFU holds the marketing rights and has done feck all with them for years, so they should release them and let the clubs market themselves. Usual p@ss poor RFU management.

The RFU board have acted extremely unprofessionally in my view, this new CEO is just a slash and run merchant, do the RFU really want that? I can see this sort of thing costing him his job.

If the Championship set a cap of 2.5M, I think this is a good thing, stops the side coming down to the Championship having players three times the cost of the other teams and then the morons at the RFU wondering why that side goes back up again.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Geoff DC 13 February, 2020 20:09
Petition Started By Russ Strick RFU Board Should Be Replaced

We, the undersigned supporters of rugby union throughout England do hereby charge the Governing Board of the Rugby Football Union with the wilful neglect of our sport at all levels other than the National Teams and Premiership league.

Specifically, the Governing Board has;
Failed to properly promote the sport at anything other than the National Teams and Premiership league levels
Failed to secure appropriate and widespread television broadcasting rights agreements for the Championship and National leagues
Failed to introduce a cup competition that would involve rugby at many levels and generate wider interest
Failed to defend the spirit of sportsmanship by safeguarding the basic principles of promotion and relegation according to merit on the pitch.

The recent action of the Rugby Football Union Governing Board in reducing the level of financial investment in the Championship in the face of such failings constitutes gross misconduct, an abuse of position and such a betrayal of trust that we now demand the immediate resignation of all members of the Governing Board.

Sign It Here >>

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Monkey1 13 February, 2020 20:26
Only Bedford & Coventry had an average attendance in excess of 2000 last season (if you ignore the cuckoo in the nest that was London Irish). Bedford was the biggest of the lot with 2500, Hartpury the lowest with 977. With the best will in the world, backed by an amazing salesman, you are not going to attract a lot of money into the competition in the form of sponsorship or TV rights, so although the RFU have been completely unreasonable in terms of giving notice about the end of this funding, it is a bit unrealistic to say they have done nothing to promote the league. They have after all secured a good sponsor with Greene King, and some TV income too. I have to be honest, I doubt that the clubs acting together outside of the RFU could do any better.

I can understand that the affected clubs will be more than a little narked about losing this funding, but moving forward it is difficult to envisage where any more money is going to come from. The academy network hoovers up the young aspiring talent & feeds them into the Premiership clubs except for the odd exception, so even that claim to assisting the future development of the national team has been taken from them.

Now it looks very likely that the Premiership will be ringfenced, and to make it absolutely impossible for a club to ever jump the gap from Championship to Premiership, they will now be restricted to a playing budget that will never allow them to develop a squad that could hope to compete in the top league.

This leaves the whole point of the Championship in question, and although it is easy to blame the RFU for creating this situation, it is difficult to imagine what else they could have done. I am in the mood to give the RFU a good kicking for allowing this mess to develop, but in trying to do so I haven't been able to think up a realistic alternative.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
bigfecker 13 February, 2020 21:45
Quote:
Monkey1
Only Bedford & Coventry had an average attendance in excess of 2000 last season (if you ignore the cuckoo in the nest that was London Irish). Bedford was the biggest of the lot with 2500, Hartpury the lowest with 977. With the best will in the world, backed by an amazing salesman, you are not going to attract a lot of money into the competition in the form of sponsorship or TV rights, so although the RFU have been completely unreasonable in terms of giving notice about the end of this funding, it is a bit unrealistic to say they have done nothing to promote the league. They have after all secured a good sponsor with Greene King, and some TV income too. I have to be honest, I doubt that the clubs acting together outside of the RFU could do any better.
I can understand that the affected clubs will be more than a little narked about losing this funding, but moving forward it is difficult to envisage where any more money is going to come from. The academy network hoovers up the young aspiring talent & feeds them into the Premiership clubs except for the odd exception, so even that claim to assisting the future development of the national team has been taken from them.

Now it looks very likely that the Premiership will be ringfenced, and to make it absolutely impossible for a club to ever jump the gap from Championship to Premiership, they will now be restricted to a playing budget that will never allow them to develop a squad that could hope to compete in the top league.

This leaves the whole point of the Championship in question, and although it is easy to blame the RFU for creating this situation, it is difficult to imagine what else they could have done. I am in the mood to give the RFU a good kicking for allowing this mess to develop, but in trying to do so I haven't been able to think up a realistic alternative.

And the Green King and TV money go where? I know where, but do you? So in fact the RFU is not actually funding the clubs, as the TV and Green King money mostly cover the £500K to each club. Funny how the RFU don't look so 'giving' now isn't it?

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
bigfecker 13 February, 2020 21:54

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Monkey1 14 February, 2020 07:28
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bigfecker
So in fact the RFU is not actually funding the clubs, as the TV and Green King money mostly cover the £500K to each club. Funny how the RFU don't look so 'giving' now isn't it?

I don't think anyone has said that the RFU is 'giving' anything. They organise the Championship, and have funded it via sponsorship & TV money. I am not sure why the RFU should be expected to 'give' anything over & above this, and this is the crux of the issue. There seems to be some sort of expectation for money to fall from heaven, way in excess of what the competition earns.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Bedlington Lad 14 February, 2020 08:06
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dick g
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I thought this was payback by the RFU for Championship clubs not accepting ringfencing?

Careful Bed old son. Has there been any evidence that the Championship rejected ringfencing or is this another rumour doing the rounds before becoming a "fact"?
It was mentioned in the press Dick, I took it from there.
From the Guardian: "Within the Championship there remains a sense of astonishment at the timing of the cuts, which will lead to hundreds of job losses, and a feeling that the RFU’s explanation does not stand scrutiny. It is understood the Championship clubs were offered a three-year extension to their funding last year, with a modest increase, if they agreed to a ring-fenced Premiership. The offer was rejected and next season’s cuts have been described by one well-placed source as “@#$%& for tat”.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
aidanb 14 February, 2020 09:59
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Bedlington Lad
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dick g
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Bedlington Lad
I thought this was payback by the RFU for Championship clubs not accepting ringfencing?

Careful Bed old son. Has there been any evidence that the Championship rejected ringfencing or is this another rumour doing the rounds before becoming a "fact"?
It was mentioned in the press Dick, I took it from there.
From the Guardian: "Within the Championship there remains a sense of astonishment at the timing of the cuts, which will lead to hundreds of job losses, and a feeling that the RFU’s explanation does not stand scrutiny. It is understood the Championship clubs were offered a three-year extension to their funding last year, with a modest increase, if they agreed to a ring-fenced Premiership. The offer was rejected and next season’s cuts have been described by one well-placed source as “@#$%& for tat”.

can we not even say t i t now ?



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Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Monkey1 14 February, 2020 11:13
Nope, but I wonder if we can say bollocks?

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Monkey1 14 February, 2020 11:13
Yeah!
(Sm60)

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
bigfecker 14 February, 2020 11:17
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So in fact the RFU is not actually funding the clubs, as the TV and Green King money mostly cover the £500K to each club. Funny how the RFU don't look so 'giving' now isn't it?

I don't think anyone has said that the RFU is 'giving' anything. They organise the Championship, and have funded it via sponsorship & TV money. I am not sure why the RFU should be expected to 'give' anything over & above this, and this is the crux of the issue. There seems to be some sort of expectation for money to fall from heaven, way in excess of what the competition earns.

I suggest you read their statement.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Barry555 14 February, 2020 14:08
Sponsorship between the two leagues is totally different .... main one being it’s Premiership Rugby that secures the league/TV sponsor for the Premiership and not the RFU. Whereas it’s just RFU for the championship.

If the RFU allowed the Championship clubs as a collective (Like Prem Rugby)To source their own league/TV sponsor would this be more then what they get from RFU sourced sponsors? Who knows. But I’m sure the clubs would like a good go at this.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
lizard118 14 February, 2020 15:15
Since this is the rumour thread some news saying Jonny May to Falcons? That would be something IF it came off.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
Gray_Lensman 14 February, 2020 15:38
There are a couple of points about this funding cut.

Firstly absolutely none of the clubs made any sort of fuss about previous cuts to lower tier funding (and they talk about PRL being hypocritical). Secondly we have known for years when this current round was due to end and yet they seem to have made no plans whatsoever for any outcomes other than it being maintained or increased. This despite it being common knowledge that the RFU had financial issues and spending cuts occurring both at headquarters and in other areas of the game. The RFU may well be only marginally competent but the Championship doesn't have to take its cue from that.

Re: Rumour [not any more] championship clubs rfu brutal slash funding
saruman 16 February, 2020 21:53
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By watching them saruman, the standard hasn't exactly been praised to the rafters on these boards.
So is that the standard they are supposed to live by? The random opinions of people on the message boards ? I’d really like to see something written down by the RFU to justify this shameful decision that is going to put rugby players out of work.


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