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Time for Wasps to take an axe to the tomahawk chop!
Discussion started by DrunkenWasps.com , 05 September, 2018 10:46
Time for Wasps to take an axe to the tomahawk chop!
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Re: Time for Wasps to take an axe to the tomahawk chop!
Westy68 05 September, 2018 12:26
Good read.

Have to agree with most of what you say, would like to have played them after 4/5 games into the season and with WLR back into the team.

Match them on the intensity front and we have a great chance of winning

Re: Time for Wasps to take an axe to the tomahawk chop!
RossM 05 September, 2018 12:41
I enjoyed the preview Wombles and thanks. FYI: It's Cruse and Zhvania smiling smiley

Re: Time for Wasps to take an axe to the tomahawk chop!
Dgwasp 05 September, 2018 12:49
Good review. I'm nervous as hell about this game following the weekends results.

Re: Time for Wasps to take an axe to the tomahawk chop!
Nigel Med 05 September, 2018 14:06
You would hope that we can give a better account of ourselves than Tigers who looked utterly bereft or ideas last weekend although when the Chief's defence has knocked you backwards time after time it gets pretty demoralising, let's be honest, we've been on the receiving end ourselves down there on several occasions.

You would hope that Dai will have studied the Premiership final, Sarries dismantled Chiefs game brilliantly, hat's off to their coaching team. It exposed Chiefs lack of a plan B completely. However that would mean having to play as well as Sarries did that afternoon which is no easy task.

If our new arrivals had been bedded in for a few months I might be more confident but we looked very much like a new team last weekend so it's going to be a very big ask. Not impossible by any means and we have our part to play to really get behind the team.

Re: Time for Wasps to take an axe to the tomahawk chop!
Buzzil 05 September, 2018 15:12
Even should we lose it isn't the end of the world - Chiefs solitary title came at the end of a season where they had an abysmal start

Re: Time for Wasps to take an axe to the tomahawk chop!
wombles222 05 September, 2018 16:33
apologies for my spelling errors, and also a few grammatical mistakes. I did write and also proof read late at night after a busy day at work :-)

Re: Time for Wasps to take an axe to the tomahawk chop!
Hangover 05 September, 2018 19:21
This is definitely not a must win game, it is a must LEARN game. A lot of our guys have not been together long and must gel before we can really expect to beat the Chiefs. However, we must try to stay in the game and see how they approach it. We need to use coaching intelligence plus full intensity to beat these guys like we used to do to others in 2000-2010 era. They are not unbeatable by any means.

Re: Time for Wasps to take an axe to the tomahawk chop!
ukms 06 September, 2018 08:54
Great read .... thanks Chris!

Re: Time for Wasps to take an axe to the tomahawk chop!
Kainai 06 September, 2018 11:55
A good read, thank you from a visiting Chiefs Supporter. Very complimentary. Good luck this weekend looking forward to a good game as we have had with you in the past. Cheers.

Re: Time for Wasps to take an axe to the tomahawk chop!
Heathen 06 September, 2018 20:57
Shields to start. Lima off the bench. Nemo out for probably two weeks. YY still not ready. So Atkinson to start again? - hope that he can do what's required.

Game management crucial. Is Searle up to it? !0/12 axis has to be much better than last week. Backs need the ball in space.

We have to match them in the tight and the lineout. And keep moving their tight forwards around.

As said, it's not do or die second game in, but the manner of our performance matters - demonstrate more cohesiveness.

Re: Time for Wasps to take an axe to the tomahawk chop!
westwaleswasp 07 September, 2018 08:34
I think the issue for me is we have shown we can score lots of tries against them in the past, but we have to click. The unfavourable record we have in the last three seasons is partly explained by our often weakened selections when we play them, especially away, but their game plan can be kryptonite to ours. After a few games we start to click, but early in the season a "moving parts" game is harder to get going than the Chiefs' more simple grinding, possession based gameplan. In many ways Chiefs remind me of Saints circa 2012, very strong basics and set piece, plenty of possession and always turning us over whilst we played all the attractive stuff. Saints tended to get beaten by bigger Euro teams that could match them in the basics, I think Chiefs are going that way, none if which helps us.

Re: Time for Wasps to take an axe to the tomahawk chop!
Andy1210 07 September, 2018 09:09
A very young and inexperienced ref so wonder how that will affect the breakdown - Chiefs are very streetwise in that area.

Re: Time for Wasps to take an axe to the tomahawk chop!
wombles222 07 September, 2018 09:38
The way the breakdown will be reffed is a key element. But it is also our approach to it that will dictate the ebb and flow of this game. There is absolutely no point in not contesting the ruck and simply standing back whilst spreading the defensive line, Chiefs will love this and simply go through the phases with one out runners hitting the gain line at pace time and time again.

If we are to have a sniff we need to chop players down and then have a player willing to jackle immediately, Chiefs do a grand job of having support players ready to assist the tackled player, however contest this area hard and you start to disrupt and slow down ball, they in turn may start populating the ruck with extra players to secure ruck ball, this reducing their one out options. They do have a good setof backs, but nullify their game plan at source (the ruck) and we have a chance.

I would also hope we have been looking at playing the long game as well, not be afraid to spend large amounts of time ball in hand, and will reduce our kicks to going for territory, or if we go for a box, to have a hard chase and compete for the ball, not to simply slap it backwards, but to jump and catch, the chasers need bravery here, as they will be airbourne and likley be tackled on landing, but we must win ball. Any loose box kicks, slapping balls backwards or hoofing it downfield is candy to Exeter.

Saturday will show whether we have the confidence to do this as our recent games have showed a lack of tactical nouse when dealing with their threats and game plan.

Re: Time for Wasps to take an axe to the tomahawk chop!
Hangover 07 September, 2018 10:01
Yup I have just watched the Ex v Tigs game quite carefully. Exeter are just incredible at keeping possession. It doesn't matter if it is a forward or a back they are so precise and patient, other teams knock on or mess up after 6-7 phases, these guys can go for 30 !. If they hit contact the guys are always there to clear out and keep possession. If they go backwards they just start again until they find a weak shoulder or a gap. Wombles is spot on, we need to attack the breakdown or we will have to defend for 70% of the time and eventually any team will crack. NO aimless kicking at all.


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