Quote:GHA
The current trend is sustainable / public transport, so people wanting a 20,000 stadium with 10,000 car parking spaces are always going to be disappointed
Quote:paulm1953
Where does it state that the agreement with Brentford is any different from the Madstad one?
Quote:HeavyCream
Moving from one football town to another for one football ground from another. We need to buy up a well worn rugby field somewhere in the Thames valley and start putting up some seating around it. It is the ONLY way we will ever feel like a proper club. We need to get hold of these guys, and do what they're doing....... [www.shropshirestar.com]
Just need some money
Quote:AlecW
Yeah - anyone got a spare £70-100 million down the back of the sofa?
No - thought not.
HeavyCream - that would take a LOT of money (to build a 10,000+ seater stadium), plus planning permission (in the Thames Valley? For a sports stadium? Are you joking...???), plus road access and parking... There are not very many suitable parcels of land of that acreage for sale at ANY price in the Thames Valley.
That is money we simply don't have. Not even Mick Crossan and his pals.
Sorry, but it is a pipedream.
Quote:DrV'sHairyCraic
I guess it depends where your starting from Bazzo. Unfortunately Brentford isn't on a main line so anyone travelling any distance will require 1 or more changes + the delays involved and the increased risk of a donkey replacement service.
And this wonderful train service is only hourly on a Sunday.
Quote:LI Bohemian
Maybe there is no need to run extra trains on a Sunday at the moment, but if there's a demand for transport to the area,then the rails are still there even if the parking spaces are not
Quote:Foggy-BallaQuote:DrV'sHairyCraic
I guess it depends where your starting from Bazzo. Unfortunately Brentford isn't on a main line so anyone travelling any distance will require 1 or more changes + the delays involved and the increased risk of a donkey replacement service.
And this wonderful train service is only hourly on a Sunday.
Yes, but the 10k will be able to walk from home
Quote:DrV'sHairyCraic
They didn't go to Ealing, Richmond or London Scottish to watch us last season.
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They didn't go to Ealing, Richmond or London Scottish to watch us last season.
Quote:FinnoQuote:HeavyCream
Moving from one football town to another for one football ground from another. We need to buy up a well worn rugby field somewhere in the Thames valley and start putting up some seating around it. It is the ONLY way we will ever feel like a proper club. We need to get hold of these guys, and do what they're doing....... [www.shropshirestar.com]
Just need some money
I agree! I've always thought the perfect long term solution is Hazelwood. If you put planning to one side for a moment it's perfect!
We own the land.
It's already home.
There's enough space for a stadium and parking, and keep the 'world class training facilities'
If parking is a problem, Kempton Park is just up the road for Park and Ride.
We might need to punch a new access road hole through to the site.
It's then just a case of slowly building forward with temporary stands, like Exeter,Bath, Worcester, Quins etc use. We even have the advantage of not having to build changing rooms etc to begin with.
So, all we need is Planing Permission! With planning, it's amazing what's possible if you have stomach to dig in and plug away! I have intimate experience of what's possible here in Horsham with the local football club. When the threatened loss of a key community facility was a possibility if the football club didn't get a new home, it was amazing how councilors attitudes changed despite locals objection. Eventually, the football club won. In LI's case you argue that the current community use of Hazelwood would be lost, as LI can only become sustainable and stay in business, and keep the community facility is if the professional arm moves in. It might take a few years of chipping away, but I'm sure we'd get there in the end!
Easy 'innit!!
Quote:Jon_r43
Hazlelwood is a complete non starter. Chelsea wanted it for a training ground and that didn’t go through, the Nimbism is way to strong....... there was outrage at the 15 seater temporary stand and there are still residents outside a games saying it’s a training ground you shouldn’t be playing matches......
The Jockey Club are looking at selling of Kempton for development so that won’t be parking and will result in a lot of development traffic south of the M3 so can’t see anything more being allowed there.....
My main worry with Brentford is that we were told it would provide a revenue stream during the week through the conference facilities that the Brentford Chairman has shelved as to risky so it may no longer provide as good an option as when first floated.
There is an unused sports arena in the Feltham area which is a significant white elephant and has been for years, called “Feltham Arenas” probably not possible but It’s a 5 minutes walk From Feltham Station and is owned by Hounslow council, and close to Hazlewood
Some info on the site [investhounslow.com]
Looks like it’s already been a graveyard for a couple of development projects
Quote:I don’t know why all of the MadStad is open in the premiership.Alphacat
Even if the crowd was the same, the atmosphere would be (imo) better
Quote:FinnoQuote:Jon_r43
Hazlelwood is a complete non starter. Chelsea wanted it for a training ground and that didn’t go through, the Nimbism is way to strong....... there was outrage at the 15 seater temporary stand and there are still residents outside a games saying it’s a training ground you shouldn’t be playing matches......
The Jockey Club are looking at selling of Kempton for development so that won’t be parking and will result in a lot of development traffic south of the M3 so can’t see anything more being allowed there.....
My main worry with Brentford is that we were told it would provide a revenue stream during the week through the conference facilities that the Brentford Chairman has shelved as to risky so it may no longer provide as good an option as when first floated.
There is an unused sports arena in the Feltham area which is a significant white elephant and has been for years, called “Feltham Arenas” probably not possible but It’s a 5 minutes walk From Feltham Station and is owned by Hounslow council, and close to Hazlewood
Some info on the site [investhounslow.com]
Looks like it’s already been a graveyard for a couple of development projects
Jon, Nimbyism never stopped anything in the long term if you really have the stomach for a fight and prepared to play the long game. Chelsea didn't need to fight...they just had the money to go elsewhere !
If a Planning Application actually goes to appeal to the Sec of State, then it's heard purely on planning grounds and it doesn't matter what the locals think. Locals can only influence things (with Councillors etc) when it stays local and if goes to appeal it's heard remotely, and as long the application is sound from a planning perspective, it will be passed !
You only have to look at the current Hazelwood set up, to see that if you chip away and answer concerns you can usually get what you want planning wise (albit it with some restrictions, which you can work on later). Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on which side you're on, that's the way the planning business works.
If you're really serious and be prepared for setbacks and play the long game, you'll eventually get what you want.....and I'm sure that Hazelwood is the ultimate long game, nothing else makes long term commercial sense unless the man with the big bag of sugar turns up !
Quote:BazzoQuote:FinnoQuote:Jon_r43
Hazlelwood is a complete non starter. Chelsea wanted it for a training ground and that didn’t go through, the Nimbism is way to strong....... there was outrage at the 15 seater temporary stand and there are still residents outside a games saying it’s a training ground you shouldn’t be playing matches......
The Jockey Club are looking at selling of Kempton for development so that won’t be parking and will result in a lot of development traffic south of the M3 so can’t see anything more being allowed there.....
My main worry with Brentford is that we were told it would provide a revenue stream during the week through the conference facilities that the Brentford Chairman has shelved as to risky so it may no longer provide as good an option as when first floated.
There is an unused sports arena in the Feltham area which is a significant white elephant and has been for years, called “Feltham Arenas” probably not possible but It’s a 5 minutes walk From Feltham Station and is owned by Hounslow council, and close to Hazlewood
Some info on the site [investhounslow.com]
Looks like it’s already been a graveyard for a couple of development projects
Jon, Nimbyism never stopped anything in the long term if you really have the stomach for a fight and prepared to play the long game. Chelsea didn't need to fight...they just had the money to go elsewhere !
If a Planning Application actually goes to appeal to the Sec of State, then it's heard purely on planning grounds and it doesn't matter what the locals think. Locals can only influence things (with Councillors etc) when it stays local and if goes to appeal it's heard remotely, and as long the application is sound from a planning perspective, it will be passed !
You only have to look at the current Hazelwood set up, to see that if you chip away and answer concerns you can usually get what you want planning wise (albit it with some restrictions, which you can work on later). Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on which side you're on, that's the way the planning business works.
If you're really serious and be prepared for setbacks and play the long game, you'll eventually get what you want.....and I'm sure that Hazelwood is the ultimate long game, nothing else makes long term commercial sense unless the man with the big bag of sugar turns up !
How long approx do you think the "long game" that you suggest would take Finno? 5-10 years maybe? That would be just for planning if we did manage to chip away at residents etc, then you have to get the finance and actually build something like a premiership stadium? Could take another few years. Bear in mind that we are losing lots every season (2m?) and that is even without being competitive enough to challenge the top of the league in financial terms. We could have spent and lost 30 odd million by the time your plan comes off. Someone has to fund that every year. Brentford is starting construction soon and will be built within three years. If we got an average 8-10k crowd without any non match day revenue it would still be a better deal than Reading. I enjoy discussing this as it is crucial in the long term survival of the club, but we will never get 10k crowds in reading. Paddy's day games are one offs, and to those who say winning games will bring people in, it didn't last year in the championship and the club has been at Mad Stad long enough to try everything. Not sure how long we've been there, 15 odd years? I live in the area and try to get people to come along and they have no interest. The passionate people on this board who go to games know this too. Brentford is the best option by far for me.
Quote:Griff
If only there were a site that kept records of these things we could look it up...
Quote:orsoncart
Lot of sense in Griff's comments.
I don't know the Reading deal and have to accept that it's a poor one, incapable of being improved. What I do think is that the club is running a risk of losing much of its Berkshire support by a failure to engage with it
I've been shot down in the past over this, but IMHO the Club needs to be communicating actively and vigorously, to mitigate against most of this support not following to Brentford. Right now, the silence over Brentford and its impact is deafening, and as a consequence, rumour and gossip are driving communications
Of course there may be a high level of confidence that any lost support can be more than covered by new W London support. But I'd prefer to reduce my risk by bringing supporters with me rather than immediately having to go out and find replacements.
Just a view
Quote:AlecW
I see what you say, Griff, but changing policy re the Saturday /Sunday was largely driven by whether Reading were in the Prem, was it not?
Quote:AlecW
Nope, Foggy - harvesting apples, pears and sloes in East Anglia! Will watch online, if I can find a stream...
Quote:Foggy-BallaQuote:AlecW
Nope, Foggy - harvesting apples, pears and sloes in East Anglia! Will watch online, if I can find a stream...
Irish to move to Carrow Road. After all Naaaarfaaalk is a big old desert for top-flight Rugby. You heard it here first
Quote:Florida
I'm stunned at how many location analysts / planners there are, all supporting the same club. Remarkable. Do you all do it for a living or are some of you just really keen amateurs?
I'd be really keen to know what data sources you're all using and what you're using to merge, blend and query to get your insights. The guys working here use alteryx and speak very highly of it.
Sorry, long and boring tube journey. My point is, non of us are experts in this field. Although if some of you are I'd love to hear more as its a fascinating subject
Quote:Yes, we are . Why would I be happy switching an easy 45min drive to Reading to a 3hr public transport nightmare to Brentford.waltham
Jeezus. are we really still bickering about this again?
Staying where we are now is not an option as the Owners have consistently stated.
There is NO parking at Brentford (see LI submitted transport plan)
The club believes there is a substantial (latent) supporter market just waiting for us to return to west London...
We don't have the dosh to own our own stadium.
No chance of any sort of stadium at Hazelwood....ever!
Quote:b.q.f.mQuote:Foggy-BallaQuote:AlecW
Nope, Foggy - harvesting apples, pears and sloes in East Anglia! Will watch online, if I can find a stream...
Irish to move to Carrow Road. After all Naaaarfaaalk is a big old desert for top-flight Rugby. You heard it here first
Now you are talking! That would be a dream come true all ready for when I retire from work and return to my hometown. Not going down that bloody Carrow Road though, plenty of other lovely places in and around Norwich that would make great rugby grounds. By the way Foggy, I will be looking for a property with a BIG cellar.
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Quote:HMRH
The deal at Brentford is not yet done
Quote:HMRH
BBC interview says a few things:
Reading catchment is 250000
London area is 2 million
Must secure a commercial deal in a stadium in London
The deal at Brentford is not yet done
Quote:Margin_Walker
You do get the feeling the reduction in proposed commercial facilities at the Brentford site may have thrown a bit of a spanner in the works.
Slightly less sure that this is happening than a few months ago. May well be wide of the mark there though. All of this is guess work to an extent.
Quote:Cornish boyQuote:Margin_Walker
You do get the feeling the reduction in proposed commercial facilities at the Brentford site may have thrown a bit of a spanner in the works.
Slightly less sure that this is happening than a few months ago. May well be wide of the mark there though. All of this is guess work to an extent.
I agree that the changes have possibly derailed the deal as now there would appear to be nothing more to the 'relationship' with Brentford than a pay to play contract similar to the MadStad.
Being honest, I see the next 12 months as a real defining moment in the history and future of LI as a professional club.
I really hope when we look back we can celebrate it as a positive defining moment, but I worry that may not be the case.
Quote:norg2072
The plans show no parking and its a short walk from from Kew Bridge station (SW trains). The contract hasn't been signed and its not 100% to be happening with Brentford.
So why don't we wait 12 months and see what the club decides to do. Meanwhile lets get behind the club everyway possible!
Quote:echidna
I hope to be a STH at Brentford as I have been at Sunbury, Stoop & MadStad.
Quote:Jester
The Reading 4 et al will all be welcome to come and watch high class, high scoring rugby at a proper local club once LI sod off. Come down to Old Bath Road.