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Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Discussion started by LondonerDub , 06 June, 2019 13:22
Cash Converters cease sponsorship
LondonerDub 06 June, 2019 13:22
Found this buried in Twitter - first sponsor to walk away because of Paddy Jackson signing.

Looks legit as it has removed Irish from list of sponsors on Twitter handle only mentions Motherwell and Saints.


Cash Converters UK
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@cash_converters
22h22 hours ago
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Replying to @avrillynch82 @JRD0000 and 9 others


As a company, we are committed to the highest possible standards when it comes to our investments in any sponsorships and collaborations. As a result of a detailed and thorough review of our support for London Irish, we have decided to discontinue our association with the club.

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[url=https://twitter.com/cash_converters/status/1136292332591095809][/url]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/06/2019 13:22 by LondonerDub.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
GHA 06 June, 2019 13:57
Quote:
first sponsor to walk away because of Paddy Jackson signing.

Where exactly does it say that?

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Griff 06 June, 2019 14:02
Follow the link

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
GHA 06 June, 2019 14:05
Thanks Griff, see ya later Cash Converters

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Margin_Walker 06 June, 2019 14:12
In isolation, I doubt it's a huge issue. Sponsors come and go pretty regularly and I don't think we get a huge amount of money from any of them individually given Crossan's company have the prime real estate on the shirt.

A company offering pawnbroking services and payday loans to desperate people at 1281% APR, should probably be thinking of the glass houses they inhabit.

That said there's obviously a concern here that the signing impacts our future commercial income next season more than they would have factored in when making the signing.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
ExiledChameleon 06 June, 2019 14:21
I'm pretty happy about that, scummy company that we should have never been associated with in the first place.

Paddy Jackson may have potentially done a bad thing to one woman, whereas CC have caused far more misery to far more people.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
paddym 06 June, 2019 14:37
Quote:
ExiledChameleon
I'm pretty happy about that, scummy company that we should have never been associated with in the first place.
Paddy Jackson may have potentially done a bad thing to one woman, whereas CC have caused far more misery to far more people.

Hear hear

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
echidna 06 June, 2019 14:40
Cash Converters trying to claim a moral high ground?! Bit like Trump suddenly discovering he's a feminist.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
tatthecraic2 06 June, 2019 15:12
Quote:
Margin_Walker
In isolation, I doubt it's a huge issue. Sponsors come and go pretty regularly and I don't think we get a huge amount of money from any of them individually given Crossan's company have the prime real estate on the shirt.
A company offering pawnbroking services and payday loans to desperate people at 1281% APR, should probably be thinking of the glass houses they inhabit.

That said there's obviously a concern here that the signing impacts our future commercial income next season more than they would have factored in when making the signing.

agree, I was more concerned as to Why WE at London Irish associate with THEM... they are pretty scummy. good riddance

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
LondonerDub 06 June, 2019 15:26
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tatthecraic2
Quote:
Margin_Walker
In isolation, I doubt it's a huge issue. Sponsors come and go pretty regularly and I don't think we get a huge amount of money from any of them individually given Crossan's company have the prime real estate on the shirt.
A company offering pawnbroking services and payday loans to desperate people at 1281% APR, should probably be thinking of the glass houses they inhabit.

That said there's obviously a concern here that the signing impacts our future commercial income next season more than they would have factored in when making the signing.

agree, I was more concerned as to Why WE at London Irish associate with THEM... they are pretty scummy. good riddance

Agreed! Looks like it was a deal that Brian Facer brought to the table as he had done at Saints as well

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Steve@nagshead 06 June, 2019 15:57
Thank f*** for that,seeing Cash Converters CONVERSION on the big screen made my eyes bleed !!

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
paddym 06 June, 2019 16:20
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LondonerDub
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tatthecraic2
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Margin_Walker
In isolation, I doubt it's a huge issue. Sponsors come and go pretty regularly and I don't think we get a huge amount of money from any of them individually given Crossan's company have the prime real estate on the shirt.
A company offering pawnbroking services and payday loans to desperate people at 1281% APR, should probably be thinking of the glass houses they inhabit.

That said there's obviously a concern here that the signing impacts our future commercial income next season more than they would haves factored in when making the signing.

agree, I was more concerned as to Why WE at London Irish associate with THEM... they are pretty scummy. good riddance

Agreed! Looks like it was a deal that Brian Facer brought to the table as he had done at Saints as well

Someone at Amateur club works for them and got sponsorship deal. I believe v little went to them though.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Exile_Dave 06 June, 2019 16:31
Good riddance, didn’t like the logo on the shirts anyway.



I'd rather be a Paddy then a Quin!!

C'mon the boys in Green!!

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Finno 06 June, 2019 19:09
Was horrified when we signed them up, glad they're gone!

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
grumpy1960 06 June, 2019 20:47
(Sm22)

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
LI Bohemian 06 June, 2019 20:57
Apparently we only owe them £248.97, from the sponsorship they gave us, after the admin fees are taken in to consideration

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
exile_pete 07 June, 2019 12:20
Seems like the tweet has been deleted

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Griff 07 June, 2019 12:25
Nope, it's not in their feed it was a reply to another thread (follow link above).

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
paddym 07 June, 2019 13:56
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LI Bohemian
Apparently we only owe them £248.97, from the sponsorship they gave us, after the admin fees are taken in to consideration

Apparently the money never actually made it to the club! Still owed.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
exile_pete 07 June, 2019 16:06
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Griff
Nope, it's not in their feed it was a reply to another thread (follow link above).

I get an error message when I follow that link. Had tried, honest Griff

Edit: found it, thx



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2019 16:31 by exile_pete.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
exile99 07 June, 2019 17:37
Whilst I'm not too happy about PJ's past, I found myself being more uncomfortable being sponsored by loan sharks who continue to prey on the vulnerable. Not sorry to seem them being removed from our shirts.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
norg2072 07 June, 2019 17:52
Glad to see the back of them also, never liked the agreement in the first place, shirt armband looked awful and didn’t want to see their name on the scoreboard after every conversion- no loss to the club whatsoever!

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
old school 07 June, 2019 19:48
Imagine if CC weren't being entirely honest here, and their moral high ground was exposed at some point in the future?

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
ExiledChameleon 07 June, 2019 20:00
Odds on us having raised the prices due to promotion and CC tried to use PJ as the reason for not renewing?

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Lazyboy346 08 June, 2019 08:37
Rugbypass now running with the story, based on the tweet:

[www.rugbypass.com]

Tbh it's probably not a major issue sponsorship wise for all the reasons given above, but is likely to kick off a new round of negative press for the club. Hopefully Facer has got another sponsor lined up to replace them, and its be a boost to be bringing on new (and less controversial) sponsors

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Florida 08 June, 2019 11:23
Parting of ways unrelated to signing of Jackson according to the club

[m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk]

If we're to be believed it seems one or both parties decided to part ways and now Cash Converters are trying to cash in on the Jackson outrage folk by claiming they have morals blah blah blah.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
tatthecraic2 10 June, 2019 10:51
Looks like Guinness are up in arms about this as well

That is a lot more worrying than Cash Converters

[extra.ie]

It's a 30 years worth of sponsorship.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Margin_Walker 10 June, 2019 11:39
Certainly more worrying if anything comes of it. Guess we'll see.

That said I'd be very uneasy if a player found not guilty in court does ever end up essentially black listed from British and Irish rugby.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
GHA 10 June, 2019 12:05
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The club did not respond when pressed on the fact that the Cash Converters statement was posted in response to a tweet specifically mentioning Jackson and the WhatsApp messages.

The tweet also had a screenshot of an article highlighting WhatsApp messages, none of which were sent by Jackson

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Clontarf 10 June, 2019 12:34
The Diageo/Guinness concern is more worrying.

[www.irishtimes.com]

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
GHA 10 June, 2019 12:55
Maybe it's time to check out Perpignan's sponsors, or whoever's sponsored Haskell over the years, or Aaron Smith, or Sonny Bill, or Kurtley Beale, or...


Jackson was acquitted, and vulgar social messages came to light of which Jackson sent only one, and his was one of the 'least' vulgar. Hopefully Guinness sees sense and we get a 'reminded of their responsibilities' type statement.

The first game back in the Premiership can't come soon enough

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
PV 10 June, 2019 13:00
Here's what you get from CC pawnbroking service.

"Representative APR 155.8%

Representative example: Amount of credit £100; duration of agreement 6 months; rate of interest 119.9% (fixed) p.a. Total amount payable: £159.94 in one instalment.

A pawnbroking loan is a fixed term loan agreement secured on the items you pledge.

Minimum age 18 and proof of ID and address required. Subject to status and affordability. Failure to keep up with payments may result in the loss of your goods."

USURY

------THE END -------

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Bazzo 10 June, 2019 13:20
The Cash Converters story would not concern me. Guinness most definitely would !

Brand with long association with London Irish and indeed Rugby in general. A top brand and sponsor for us.

People can shout out all they like about he did nothing wrong etc it was just some stupid texts, but this is (if Guinness pull the plug) serious. You just can't go losing these type of sponsors, it will frighten others off as well. Where will you find new revenues to replace these sponsors? Not good.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
tatthecraic2 10 June, 2019 13:45
Guinness have taken no action. Just to sit down with the club


Hopefully we can argue the point and settle it down. Guinness can't be a judge, jury and executioner for a player.

Hopefully they are reasonable.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
ExiledChameleon 10 June, 2019 14:00
Quote:
Bazzo
The Cash Converters story would not concern me. Guinness most definitely would !
Brand with long association with London Irish and indeed Rugby in general. A top brand and sponsor for us.

People can shout out all they like about he did nothing wrong etc it was just some stupid texts, but this is (if Guinness pull the plug) serious. You just can't go losing these type of sponsors, it will frighten others off as well. Where will you find new revenues to replace these sponsors? Not good.

It's a miracle that we have any sponsors (or supporters) at all given the exhibition in failure we've put on over the past few years, if we're successful sponsors will come.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
LI Bohemian 10 June, 2019 15:18
If Guiness decide to take the higher ground and pull their sponsorship, I will never buy a pint of Guiness again, I choose if I agree with something or not, and not a brewery.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
PV 10 June, 2019 18:17
Guinness were philanthropists, then they sold out to Diageo who have no legacy of such values.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Heaf 11 June, 2019 00:02

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
BREN D 11 June, 2019 11:52
See related articles in Irish Independent over last couple of days which are not behind a paywall. Diageo meeting this week also mentioned in news bulletins on a number of Irish radio stations. Diageo obviously not happy with PJ signing. Methinks the Club are being backed into a tight corner. What would be cost of being forced to cancel PJ contract?

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
jimbo800 11 June, 2019 12:07
Cost would be his contract price I guess. But at this stage I can’t see them cancelling it as they won’t have a prem standard 10 for next season which would cost us more. They’ll just have to ride the storm.
I don’t think there is much uproar amongst the general public as people think. When rugbypass covered the cash converter story, the majority of comments had no issue with PJ, more with cash converters as a company.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Conorbay 11 June, 2019 13:33
Given the publicity signing PJ was going to generate it beggars belief that someone from the Club didn’t have an off the record chat with a key sponsor, Guinness, explaining the plan and receiving their feedback. It might not have changed the Clubs decision but at least they would have known where they stood. Now this looks as it’s come as a big surprise which it shouldn’t have.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
SirBurger 11 June, 2019 13:40
More likely that the club did speak with sponsors, Cash Converters ended their deal for other reasons and then tried to capitalise on the negative publicity. This has led to additional publicity and the question being asked of Diageo what their stance is. Naturally, in order to placate the social media justice warriors, they have said that they will be having talks with London Irish, but I suspect that nothing will come of it, or if for some ludicrous reason they do feel the need to withdraw their support for the club then that will be a volte-face from what was said at the time. I just find it too hard to believe that the club would not have engaged with sponsors, given the backlash when Sale were rumoured to be announcing him last season.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
GHA 11 June, 2019 14:16
Absolutely spot on, SirB

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
nimblehippo 11 June, 2019 17:16
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SirBurger
More likely that the club did speak with sponsors, Cash Converters ended their deal for other reasons and then tried to capitalise on the negative publicity. This has led to additional publicity and the question being asked of Diageo what their stance is. Naturally, in order to placate the social media justice warriors, they have said that they will be having talks with London Irish, but I suspect that nothing will come of it, or if for some ludicrous reason they do feel the need to withdraw their support for the club then that will be a volte-face from what was said at the time. I just find it too hard to believe that the club would not have engaged with sponsors, given the backlash when Sale were rumoured to be announcing him last season.

Virtue signalling is all the rage - next they'll want both teams to be playing in a rainbow kit for pride, having 7 women in the team for equal representation, and forfeiting away matches in order to reduce our carbon footprint!

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Margin_Walker 11 June, 2019 19:06
Fairly apt point made on another forum. Guinness are the main sponsor of the House of Rugby podcast that features James Haskell every week. As a young man he filmed his mate and a girl in bed without her consent and showed the video to his friends. Something imo far more serious than anything PJ is actually proven to have done.

Here's him in action doing the 'Guinness Perfect Pour'

[youtu.be]

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Rinkadink 11 June, 2019 19:08
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Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
HMRH 12 June, 2019 06:05
Should Diageo decide to stop their sponsorship can we assume they’ll also stop supplying their drinks for purchase? Would seem odd to feel so strongly yet continue to make money from the club and its supporters

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
MattM 12 June, 2019 07:09
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HMRH
Should Diageo decide to stop their sponsorship can we assume they’ll also stop supplying their drinks for purchase? Would seem odd to feel so strongly yet continue to make money from the club and its supporters

I suppose technically they supply the stadium/hotel rather than the club. I suspect it would simply mean their presence being withdrawn from the St Pats game if they were to follow through. My gut tells me this is all a bit of posturing for the press though.



Sponsoring Ollie Hassell-Collins for the 2018/19 season.

Usually found tweeting gibberish (via @MattMerritt)

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
SirBurger 12 June, 2019 07:34
Do Diageo sponsor Ulster out of interest?

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Lincs-Exile 12 June, 2019 07:51
Not according to there web page

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Shawshank 12 June, 2019 07:53
You wish one of these pathetic companies that gets a bit of grief from a few lunatic twitter nutters would turn round and tell them that they are a sad and pathetic minority, that the company won't be cowed by them, and that the great silent public out there is their actual intended market.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
HMRH 12 June, 2019 08:05
Was being very tongue in cheek

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
GHA 12 June, 2019 08:52
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Shawshank
You wish one of these pathetic companies that gets a bit of grief from a few lunatic twitter nutters would turn round and tell them that they are a sad and pathetic minority

It's like firing a gun during a zombie apocalypse though - you'll only attract more

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Shawshank 12 June, 2019 08:57
Or can't they set their Twitter settings so that no-one can reply to their postings?

In that way you still get your messages out, but are not an Aunt Sally for abuse.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
LondonerDub 12 June, 2019 16:50
We need some facts to immediately reply to these folks as many of the "warriors" are writing things which are not the facts of the case - the brands read them and believe it as no one has counter-argued!

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Exile_Dave 12 June, 2019 20:22
Interesting comments on the Worcester, Bristol, Leicester and Saints boards in regards to this subject and how “foolish” we are as a club.



I'd rather be a Paddy then a Quin!!

C'mon the boys in Green!!

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
LI Bohemian 12 June, 2019 21:01
[quote Exile_Dave]Interesting comments on the Worcester, Bristol, Leicester and Saints boards in regards to this subject and how “foolish” we are as a club.[/quote

Perhaps rugby is more tribal than we think, it is a bit annoying that most of the posters think that Irish would not have had the foresight to notify the sponsors, which they probably did, mind you the Leicester posters seem to think that Toby Booth is the one that built the 2009 side, rather than the one who spoilt it and think it's a great thing if he goes there to coach, good luck there tiger boys.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Florida 12 June, 2019 22:01
Meh, it's the off season, everyone needs something to chatter about.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
tatthecraic2 12 June, 2019 22:47
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Conorbay
Given the publicity signing PJ was going to generate it beggars belief that someone from the Club didn’t have an off the record chat with a key sponsor, Guinness, explaining the plan and receiving their feedback. It might not have changed the Clubs decision but at least they would have known where they stood. Now this looks as it’s come as a big surprise which it shouldn’t have.

Better to ask forgiveness than permission

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
ExiledChameleon 12 June, 2019 23:57
At the risk of going a little bit Millwall ("No one likes us, we don't care!") I'm not sure that I could care less about what opposition supporters think of us. The clue's in the name.

What I do care about is one: doing well and pushing towards winning things, and two: producing and retaining top academy talent. PJ will help push us towards achieving these objectives.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
SirBurger 13 June, 2019 08:16
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ExiledChameleon
At the risk of going a little bit Millwall ("No one likes us, we don't care!") I'm not sure that I could care less about what opposition supporters think of us. The clue's in the name.
What I do care about is one: doing well and pushing towards winning things, and two: producing and retaining top academy talent. PJ will help push us towards achieving these objectives.

I hope the last sentence is correct. We, as a club, need to get behind him, show that we support him and give him the chance to redeem himself. What amazes me about the keyboard warriors who wish he had been convicted is that they tend to be the same group of people who (rightly) bring a lot of attention to mental health issues. That they can't see the impact that their actions must have on the mental wellbeing of a young man who was found not guilty in a court of law and who they wish to see be stopped from doing what he loves is baffling.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Exile_Dave 13 June, 2019 16:48
Diagio ceases sponsorship of irish.

[www.irishtimes.com]



I'd rather be a Paddy then a Quin!!

C'mon the boys in Green!!

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
SirBurger 13 June, 2019 17:00
Pathetic from Diageo.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
paddym 13 June, 2019 17:04
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SirBurger
Pathetic from Diageo.

Well said that man

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
tatthecraic2 13 June, 2019 17:19
I like that we held firm. I'm so glad we are putting rugby over pandering to sponsors and anything else that doesn't guarantee our assistance as a top flight club.

Good for London irish there will be other sponsors.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
ExiledChameleon 13 June, 2019 17:25
Whatever we get from them now is small fry compared to what we'd get as a successful team.

Also the irony of it 'not being in line with their values', alcohol is involved in up to 73% of all domestic violence incidents, and all involved in the PJ incident were likely drunk on Diageo products at the time.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
HMRH 13 June, 2019 17:27
Quote:
paddym
Quote:
SirBurger
Pathetic from Diageo.

Well said that man

Seconded

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
HMRH 13 June, 2019 17:27
Guinness boycott

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Jester 13 June, 2019 17:33
Do any of you remember the transcript of the WhatsApp messages? How would you feel as a father, brother, mother etc..................

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
paddym 13 June, 2019 17:37
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Jester
Do any of you remember the transcript of the WhatsApp messages? How would you feel as a father, brother, mother etc..................

So in your view does anyone warrant a second chance in life if they’ve made a mistake?

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Jester 13 June, 2019 17:44
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paddym
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Jester
Do any of you remember the transcript of the WhatsApp messages? How would you feel as a father, brother, mother etc..................

So in your view does anyone warrant a second chance in life if they’ve made a mistake?

Did I say that. But I can fully understand the stance taken by Guinness.

The transcript was a disgrace, I'll repeat, as a father, brother, mother, would you be happy with this?

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
SirBurger 13 June, 2019 17:48
Jester - how many of those messages were posted by Jackson?

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Jester 13 June, 2019 17:52
Quote:
SirBurger
Jester - how many of those messages were posted by Jackson?

How is that even relevant?

I'll leave this conversation here as it's unlikely we'll agree on this signing.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
MarkS 13 June, 2019 18:05
Pathetic from Diageo but am not in the least surprised. They flog their grog with absolutely no responsibility taken for what damage it causes and over-compensate by trying to be the purest virtue-signaller of them all. No more black stuff for me and I hope we refuse to sell it next year.

I wonder if Wadworths from Devizes would sponsor us as then we might have 6X for sale - now that is a nice pint!!

On another note, I find it worrying that it seems a young man cannot make CERTAIN mistakes and earn a living in the UK or Ire - what a nice society we are becoming.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Heaf 13 June, 2019 18:10
Better take a felt tip to all the Guinness logos on my shirts ...

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Ajax Treesdown 13 June, 2019 18:13
Quote:
Jester
Quote:
paddym
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Jester
Do any of you remember the transcript of the WhatsApp messages? How would you feel as a father, brother, mother etc..................

So in your view does anyone warrant a second chance in life if they’ve made a mistake?

Did I say that. But I can fully understand the stance taken by Guinness.

The transcript was a disgrace, I'll repeat, as a father, brother, mother, would you be happy with this?

Dear oh dear, get over yourself. The messages posted are posted in 95% of WhatsApp groups up and down the country.

If you don’t believe this then you are very naive.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Bill the chip 13 June, 2019 18:25
Jester!! As a father , brother , mother , your son/ daughter was found not guilty of a crime...by the highest judicial court in the land , that consisted of both men and women was set free... BUT the local supermarket had organised a lynch mob .. because you do your weekly shop there??????

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
BREN D 13 June, 2019 18:31
Non paywall article on Diageo sponsorship cessation on Irish Independent website.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Florida 13 June, 2019 18:33
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Jester
Quote:
SirBurger
Jester - how many of those messages were posted by Jackson?

How is that even relevant?

I'll leave this conversation here as it's unlikely we'll agree on this signing.

Because you are judging Jackson on messages that were sent by other people for crying out loud. That is very relevant.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
ExiledChameleon 13 June, 2019 18:37
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Jester
Do any of you remember the transcript of the WhatsApp messages? How would you feel as a father, brother, mother etc..................

Here follows every single message that PJ sent in that chat that was admitted as evidence:

9.14am - 9.15am Call from Jackson to Olding is unanswered. FaceTime from Jackson to Olding is unanswered. A voice call from Jackson to Olding is unanswered.

11.17am Jackson: “There was a lot of spit roast last night.”

Jackson posts photos to the group taken on June 28 of McIlroy sitting on the sofa with three girls.

11:18am Jackson on JACOME: “Whole NI squad were out last night.”

[www.rsvplive.ie]

I do love it when Quins fans decide to come on here to stir, don't you have your own forum to be a tw*t on?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 13/06/2019 18:40 by ExiledChameleon.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Exile_Dave 13 June, 2019 18:40
Quote:
Jester
Quote:
SirBurger
Jester - how many of those messages were posted by Jackson?

How is that even relevant?

I'll leave this conversation here as it's unlikely we'll agree on this signing.

Jester sounds like Queens Troll, move on guys he’s not worth the oxygen on this board.



I'd rather be a Paddy then a Quin!!

C'mon the boys in Green!!

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Old Flanker 13 June, 2019 18:45
The old saying goes that 'there's no such thing as bad publicity'

I heard the news on the radio on the way home from work.
Certainly can't remember the last time I heard London Irish mentioned on a sports bulletin of a national radio station.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Jester 13 June, 2019 18:59
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Exile_Dave
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Jester
Quote:
SirBurger
Jester - how many of those messages were posted by Jackson?

How is that even relevant?

I'll leave this conversation here as it's unlikely we'll agree on this signing.

Jester sounds like Queens Troll, move on guys he’s not worth the oxygen on this board.

Shows how much you know about me then doesn't it Exile Dave! #@#$%&

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
LI Bohemian 13 June, 2019 19:09
Jesper, you stated you were leaving this conversation, gone there fishin again?

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Exile_Dave 13 June, 2019 19:13
Quote:
Jester
Quote:
Exile_Dave
Quote:
Jester
Quote:
SirBurger
Jester - how many of those messages were posted by Jackson?

How is that even relevant?

I'll leave this conversation here as it's unlikely we'll agree on this signing.

Jester sounds like Queens Troll, move on guys he’s not worth the oxygen on this board.

Shows how much you know about me then doesn't it Exile Dave! #@#$%&

We hooked us a nasty troll here guys. Don’t pander to the insignificant Queens Troll.



I'd rather be a Paddy then a Quin!!

C'mon the boys in Green!!

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
ExiledChameleon 13 June, 2019 19:18
Quote:
Jester
Quote:
Exile_Dave
Quote:
Jester
Quote:
SirBurger
Jester - how many of those messages were posted by Jackson?

How is that even relevant?

I'll leave this conversation here as it's unlikely we'll agree on this signing.

Jester sounds like Queens Troll, move on guys he’s not worth the oxygen on this board.

Shows how much you know about me then doesn't it Exile Dave! #@#$%&

[www.rugbynetwork.net]

You refer to Quins as 'we' several times.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
GHA 13 June, 2019 20:22
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Jester
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SirBurger
Jester - how many of those messages were posted by Jackson?

How is that even relevant?

This one of the funniest comments I've ever seen on the board

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Conorbay 13 June, 2019 20:36
Too many of you in denial, so confident that the Club had done their homework anD Diageo were simply posturing and would eventually comply. Not so.

Guinness withdrawing their 50 year tenure sponsorship of our Club, both amateur and professional, is, or was, unthinkable, so very sad.

The only guys in the Management team who wanted it were Kiss and Kidney, the CEO didn’t feel he had a case to argue so much so that he seemed to find it hard to fully endorse the signing. The PR man had the most isolated job in rugby and probably has his CV up to date. Total miss alignment.

Does PJ need to be rehabilitated? Yes, of course he does, but the handling and presentation of this recruit to LI and the wider world has been truly awful and incompetent.

We must hope for better.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Exile_Dave 13 June, 2019 20:46
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Conorbay
Too many of you in denial, so confident that the Club had done their homework anD Diageo were simply posturing and would eventually comply. Not so.
Guinness withdrawing their 50 year tenure sponsorship of our Club, both amateur and professional, is, or was, unthinkable, so very sad.

The only guys in the Management team who wanted it were Kiss and Kidney, the CEO didn’t feel he had a case to argue so much so that he seemed to find it hard to fully endorse the signing. The PR man had the most isolated job in rugby and probably has his CV up to date. Total miss alignment.


Does PJ need to be rehabilitated? Yes, of course he does, but the handling and presentation of this recruit to LI and the wider world has been truly awful and incompetent.

We must hope for better.

“The only guys in the Management team who wanted it were Kiss and Kidney, the CEO didn’t feel he had a case to argue so much so that he seemed to find it hard to fully endorse the signing. The PR man had the most isolated job in rugby and probably has his CV up to date. Total miss alignment”.

How do you know this? Source?

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Griff 13 June, 2019 20:52
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ExiledChameleon

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You refer to Quins as 'we' several times.

FWIW the jester you've found is a different person. Check the lower case j or the user id number. Jester is very much a LI supporter, and has been for a good while.

Can we stop the witch hunting of people with a different opinion please? We all knew this was going to be trouble, LI seem to think PJ is worth it. We'll have to see.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
101proof 13 June, 2019 20:58
I just came here to see the general consensus on the PJ situation. It's interesting to see quite a lot of support for the club.

The way I see it is PJ should be free to play for any club, he should not be boycotted or blocked from playing anywhere. He wasn't found guilty and should be free to carry on as before. The problem falls down to public perception and the image that his signing creates to a club.

Needless to say that PJ has a very bad rep now which isn't helped by a general perception that justice wasn't done in his court case (no matter how untrue that may be).The evidence shown and his attitude after the case didn't help matters either.

Any club signing him needs to accept the moral implications of the signing and reputational damage compared to the skill set he brings. In my view the only people who that matters to are the fans of that club and stakeholders. Any body else's views are irrelevant.

Now Diageo as a stakeholder have a legitimate reason to review the situation as stakeholders who could have their reputation affected by this. Clearly they felt the risk was too high so dropped out. This doesn't really surprise me but reaction to this here has a bit. Being in the alcohol industry they have even more reason to be cautious about the signing.

I know my personal views shouldn't matter in this but I think London Irish are crazy for going ahead with this. It seems to be affecting them more than anticipated via sponsors and they seem to have underestimated public opinion. I would also be very worried about the dressing room, will this affect team cohesion as one thing is for certain in that it certainly won't help it. I would not be surprised if it affected potential new signings too and PJ is going to be targeted by everyone next season. Other fans, players, the press. Is all that really worth the risk. Its a huge call.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Conorbay 13 June, 2019 21:03
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Griff
Quote:
ExiledChameleon

[www.rugbynetwork.net]

You refer to Quins as 'we' several times.

FWIW the jester you've found is a different person. Check the lower case j or the user id number. Jester is very much a LI supporter, and has been for a good while.

Can we stop the witch hunting of people with a different opinion please? We all knew this was going to be trouble, LI seem to think PJ is worth it. We'll have to see.

Griff - this is perhaps the
saddest day in the history of a Club I’ve been associated with for over 30 years.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
GHA 13 June, 2019 21:11
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Griff - this is perhaps the
saddest day in the history of a Club I’ve been associated with for over 30 years.

Losing a sponsor, apparently sadder than two relegations, a Heineken semi defeat, a Premiership final defeat, and leaving London for Reading or Reading for London.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
SirBurger 13 June, 2019 21:14
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Florida
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Jester
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SirBurger
Jester - how many of those messages were posted by Jackson?

How is that even relevant?

I'll leave this conversation here as it's unlikely we'll agree on this signing.

Because you are judging Jackson on messages that were sent by other people for crying out loud. That is very relevant.

Thank you Florida - saved me having to respond.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
aah Bisto 13 June, 2019 21:22
I think so too GHA, all those events were bad and sad but there was always the, right next season lads to redeem it.
I genuinely don’t know where we bounce from at this point and there is no light at the end of the tunnel until either PJ leaves or he takes us back to those giddy heights and with both scenarios will still have outsiders sniping and trying to influence how we should be

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Conorbay 13 June, 2019 21:22
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GHA
Quote:
Griff - this is perhaps the
saddest day in the history of a Club I’ve been associated with for over 30 years.

Losing a sponsor, apparently sadder than two relegations, a Heineken semi defeat, a Premiership final defeat, and leaving London for Reading or Reading for London.

Yes of course, much more than that. Guinness and London Irish have had the most wonderful marriage for over 50 years. The great but sadly now demolished club house at Sunbury where the big Guinness sign over the bar said something like “ there are no strangers here just friends you haven’t met yet” . The pints in the bath, the signs by the pitches, the sponsorships of the minis and juniors, the Cheltenham festival Guinness bus from the Club, the Cow Shed on a cold December late afternoon. Guinness was London Irish and London Irish was Guinness. I’m so sorry you didn’t have the opportunity to experience it. I’m so sad tonight.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
Margin_Walker 13 June, 2019 21:25
Honestly I'd rather they hadn't signed PJ, it was a signing that was always going to come attached with a bucket load of hassle.

Now they have though I hope they stick it through and that they can weather the commercial implications.

This has never primarily been about a whatsapp message imo. If it was, someone like Gilroy who sent far worse in that conversation would be under similar pressure. It's about people thinking he got away with something he was unanimously found not guilty of. That's a slippery slope and not something I'm comfortable with. I don't really see the end game here for those protesting so vigorously on social media. How much punishment and hounding will be enough for a bloke displaying a disrespectful attitude to a woman following a night out? What will it take?

I really don't see it being an issue in the dressing room. Diageo are a commercial entity and perfectly entitled to walk away, but they can save the moralising and talk of values.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
LI Bohemian 13 June, 2019 21:40
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Conorbay
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GHA
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Griff - this is perhaps the
saddest day in the history of a Club I’ve been associated with for over 30 years.

Losing a sponsor, apparently sadder than two relegations, a Heineken semi defeat, a Premiership final defeat, and leaving London for Reading or Reading for London.


Yes of course, much more than that. Guinness and London Irish have had the most wonderful marriage for over 50 years. The great but sadly now demolished club house at Sunbury where the big Guinness sign over the bar said something like “ there are no strangers here just friends you haven’t met yet” . The pints in the bath, the signs by the pitches, the sponsorships of the minis and juniors, the Cheltenham festival Guinness bus from the Club, the Cow Shed on a cold December late afternoon. Guinness was London Irish and London Irish was Guinness. I’m so sorry you didn’t have the opportunity to experience it. I’m so sad tonight.

Cheer up it's just an alcoholic beverage, made by a multinational corporation, I would put more value on the people who you drank with than what they are actually drinking. I will not be buying another drop of it from now on.

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
GHA 13 June, 2019 21:44
I miss the days of 4 points for a try, but here we are

Re: Cash Converters cease sponsorship
aah Bisto 13 June, 2019 21:45
The BBC have reported that us (being the LI management team) did not attend the requested meeting with Diageo. That changes my opinion on this a lot...

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