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Discussion started by SteveS , 13 June, 2019 22:58
Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
SteveS 13 June, 2019 22:58
Guardian article below, a sponsor since 1989!! Cancels today

The sad thing was this was all so inevitable. If LI had done some basic due diligence, every business has corporate social responsibility advisers these days that will give you a pretty accurate run-through of what can happen to the reputations of their organisations if they take certain decisions.

What do they know of rugby that only rugby know, to paraphrase a famous quote

[www.theguardian.com]

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
ExiledChameleon 14 June, 2019 01:14
Yes, I'm sure the couple of thousand Diageo chuck at us every year should give them a total veto over our signings.

The only bit inconsistent with Diageo's values about the hiring of PJ is that he only maybe traumatised somebody, whereas Diageo's alcohol provably traumatises thousands of people around the world every day (incidence of rape, assault domestic abuse etc all go up when alcohol is consumed).

Make no mistake Diageo isn't the family owned Guinness of old, they're a massive multinational focused on keeping a squeaky clean reputation so that they can avoid regulation preventing them from ruthless exploiting and endangering the vulnerable.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 14/06/2019 01:17 by ExiledChameleon.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
The Sligo Rover 14 June, 2019 05:58
Does this mean that it will be Murphys or Beamish at The Madstad next season?



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Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Shawshank 14 June, 2019 06:07
A multinational booze company, whose products are responsible for the death and suffering of thousands of folks, and which leads to countless cases of domestic abuse, mouthing off about its alleged ďvaluesĒ is indeed a pretty repulsive look.


Good riddance.



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Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Gray_Lensman 14 June, 2019 06:50
Yes, alcohol is a problem in society.

Where has all this outrage been in the previous thirty years?

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Luton Irish 14 June, 2019 06:56
Maybe O'Hara's

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Florida 14 June, 2019 07:24
Quote:
Gray_Lensman
Yes, alcohol is a problem in society.
Where has all this outrage been in the previous thirty years?

I think the outrage is down to a company that cause many problems trying to claim moral high ground. It's not been an issue previously because they've not attempted to reach for any moral high ground.

I think part of problem is not knowing what their core values are, which of said values the signings conflict with and why. I'm sure they've discussed this at length with the LI management folk though.

Personally I'm a little disappointed by the whole situation but ultimately don't really care. Guinness / Diageo may have had a long standing history with the club, but for me they were just a little badge on a shirt. Sponsors come and go, I'm sure in the fullness of time we'll get another, although hopefully not one similar to Cash Converters.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
SixNineOne 14 June, 2019 07:46
The press are reporting the matter as if Diageo were the club's main sponsor. As far as I can tell, they are simply our beer partner for the St Patrick's day match - big deal! I can't help thinking that Diageo have probably got a whole lot more coverage in just a few days through ending their association with LI than they ever would have had through maintaining it for another year, so one might be forgiven for thinking that it was a move driven by moral cowardice with a liberal dose of cynicism thrown in.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Bazzo 14 June, 2019 07:56
I have mixed feelings on this. Disappointed that they have gone because they are such a long time sponsor and a brand that we should want to be associated with and have been for such a long time. Not sure that we thought out the PJ signing properly. Not sure what he has done for us to deserve this backing from us, I can only assume that Kidney has got him for a bargain and that he is taking a big punt on him otherwise why go through all this pain for him.

Main concern for me is how we replace a sponsor like Guinness and the knock on effect it has on other sponsors. When such a big brand tarnishes our name (and that is what they are doing), how do other companies react? You will now have to disagree with Guinness (and their values) to sponsor us. Makes it a very hard sell and once again revenues must be tight for the club, Mick's pockets must be very deep.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
LI Bohemian 14 June, 2019 08:31
Bazzo though I respect your opinion that JP is a bad signing it's hard to discern what is mixed about your feelings from the post.
We really don't know whether LI have considered the implications or for that matter whether these sponsors are using this "publicity" as a cheap way of putting their products in the moral high ground, one being a seller of legalised drug the other a legalised loan shark, why would we want to be associated with them.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
old hillbilly 14 June, 2019 08:38
Quote:
SixNineOne
The press are reporting the matter as if Diageo were the club's main sponsor. As far as I can tell, they are simply our beer partner for the St Patrick's day match - big deal! I can't help thinking that Diageo have probably got a whole lot more coverage in just a few days through ending their association with LI than they ever would have had through maintaining it for another year, so one might be forgiven for thinking that it was a move driven by moral cowardice with a liberal dose of cynicism thrown in.
I was thinking the same thing, a very cheap way of getting lots of great publicity by dropping a long term partner in it. And you can always rely on the media to not let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Clontarf 14 June, 2019 08:54
Did a little googling. Iín addition to Guinness, Tanqueray Gin, which I like, and Baileys are off the Clontarf shopping list.
Whiskey/whisky drinkers may have more difficult decisions to make as Diageo have considerable interests there.
I now have a moral and financial reason to buy the Lidl own brand Baileys lookalike for pouring over my ice cream and switch my allegiance to Silent Pool Gin.
Hennessy Brandy is similarly off the list but Iíve always been a Remy man.
I sincerely hope they donít own any wine brands I like. That would be a real sacrifice.

Life is full of difficult decisions but we all have to play our part

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
PV 14 June, 2019 09:22
Diageo - role model....

Fined for bribery - 12m dollars

Had to make public apology to Brewdog for dirty tricks

Facilitate thousands of deaths through alcoholism

Rank hypocrisy.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
paulm1953 14 June, 2019 09:31
Hell of a lot of pressure on PJ's shoulders.



Come on you Irish

Paul

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
nimblehippo 14 June, 2019 09:51
Good riddance, and I hope the club doesn't offer their products anymore. Why have they only made the move now, move has been on the cards for so long. Anyone fancy making a petition to get Diageo to drop Haskell for his shenanigans to see what they say?

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Florida 14 June, 2019 09:54
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nimblehippo
Anyone fancy making a petition to get Diageo to drop Haskell for his shenanigans to see what they say?

Not really, life's too short. I'd rather shake hands, say thanks for the support over the years and move on.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
YoungMan 14 June, 2019 11:26
You gotta love their moral High Ground:

[www.telegraph.co.uk]

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Derby Irish Fan 14 June, 2019 11:27
I note that you have ended sponsorship of london irish on the spurious grounds of a drinks company having moral values, happy also to follow all the media trolls but if you look at your own history very few morals appear. i for one will be boycotting any brands sold by you even though I am one person but one can become a flood.

my little protest emailed to them

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
YoungMan 14 June, 2019 11:33

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Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Clontarf 14 June, 2019 21:31
[www.google.co.uk]

An Irish great stands up for our man.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
GHA 14 June, 2019 23:09
Mr Finlay, like others, refers to a number of WhatsApp messages of which Jackson appears to have sent only one, and one of the least vulgar at that

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
hooker 72 15 June, 2019 08:13
with all due respect to the majority of great London Irish fans who are great folks, some of the justification, logic and lack of morals being displayed on here regarding your new fly half and sponser withdrawal is pretty shocking and sad.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
PV 15 June, 2019 08:21
ĎWith all due respectí - whenever I hear or read this opener invariably itís a pathetic excuse for the deliverer to then show no respect.

How about explaining what is shocking and sad?

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
shimmieandshake 15 June, 2019 08:59
It's irresponsible journalism to use quotes from the Whatsapp thread without attributing them, therefore implying it was Jackson.

If it was about the quotes, then why aren't sponsors dropping out of Ulster, given Craig Gilroy, to whom you can probably attribute the worst words from that Whatsapp group, still plays for them?

This is about everyone giving their own guilty verdict on a very public court case in which Jackson was exonerated. Which is pretty disturbing.

Also, don't forget the businesses are just that.'Values' are a flexible business asset, there may have been other reasons Diageo wanted to pull out, and this a convenient excuse. Publicity is mentioned above, and it's a pretty good shout.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
SirBurger 15 June, 2019 10:04
That perfectly sums it up for me shimmieandshake. The point about Gilroy, in particular, is spot on.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
BathMatt53 15 June, 2019 13:00
Quote:
shimmieandshake

This is about everyone giving their own guilty verdict on a very public court case in which Jackson was exonerated. Which is pretty disturbing.


Hold on a second - Exonerated: absolve (someone) from blame for a fault or wrongdoing.

Paddy Jacksons own apology at that time would indicate that although he was acquitted of rape he himself doesn't think that there was no fault or wrongdoing?

[www.bbc.co.uk]

Paddy Jackson said he would "always regret" the events of that night and apologised "unreservedly" for messages he sent in the aftermath.

But he told the Press Association he had "betrayed the values of his family" and was sorry.


So the verdict was not guilty but IMO people shouldn't be criticised for not liking what he did and he sure wasn't exonerated. As a result, that Diageo has decided to not have their brand across his chest is just a marketing / PR decision isn't it?



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Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Margin_Walker 15 June, 2019 14:33
Being pronounced not guilty is a perfectly acceptable definition for exonerated. Diageo are perfectly within their right to walk away, but it I'll personally still raise an eyebrow at some of the hypocrisy on display.

Good of all the Bath fans on the board today to take such an interest though. Always a pleasure.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Steelman 15 June, 2019 15:27
Quote:
Clontarf
Did a little googling. Iín addition to Guinness, Tanqueray Gin, which I like, and Baileys are off the Clontarf shopping list.
Whiskey/whisky drinkers may have more difficult decisions to make as Diageo have considerable interests there.
I now have a moral and financial reason to buy the Lidl own brand Baileys lookalike for pouring over my ice cream and switch my allegiance to Silent Pool Gin.
Hennessy Brandy is similarly off the list but Iíve always been a Remy man.
I sincerely hope they donít own any wine brands I like. That would be a real sacrifice.

Life is full of difficult decisions but we all have to play our part

Brilliant post,catchs the mood perfectly,wot the hell can we do to change things...I ll have one of wot clontarfs drinking!

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
plzd 15 June, 2019 20:08
Quote:
GHA
Mr Finlay, like others, refers to a number of WhatsApp messages of which Jackson appears to have sent only one, and one of the least vulgar at that
that is wonderful I hope he goes out with your daughter if you think he is a good guy

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
plzd 15 June, 2019 20:13
[quote shimmieandshake]It's irresponsible journalism to use quotes from the Whatsapp thread without attributing them, therefore implying it was Jackson.

If it was about the quotes, then why aren't sponsors dropping out of Ulster, given Craig Gilroy, to whom you can probably attribute the worst words from that Whatsapp group, still plays for them?

Also, don't forget the businesses are just that.'Values' are a flexible business asset, there may have been other reasons Diageo wanted to pull out, and this a convenient excuse. Publicity is mentioned above, and it's a pretty good shout.[/quote what business do i
Is up to them the fact is that signing pj has cost money and is turning into a domino effect in a world where companies are terrified of social media

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
GHA 15 June, 2019 22:19
Quote:
plzd
Quote:
GHA
Mr Finlay, like others, refers to a number of WhatsApp messages of which Jackson appears to have sent only one, and one of the least vulgar at that
that is wonderful I hope he goes out with your daughter if you think he is a good guy

Are you old enough to have kids?

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Rupes 16 June, 2019 16:52
Leaving aside everything else, remember that brands do have a choice as to where to spend their sponsorship budgets. Irish connection or otherwise, Diageo have no obligation to look at LI any different to any of their other deals.

Why, therefore, would they choose to spend the budget where there may be a perception issue, as opposed to spending it somewhere where none of those perception issues may occur? It's Sponsorship 101 really, all they are doing is following good business practice.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
LI Bohemian 17 June, 2019 13:15
Quote:
Rupes
Leaving aside everything else, remember that brands do have a choice as to where to spend their sponsorship budgets. Irish connection or otherwise, Diageo have no obligation to look at LI any different to any of their other deals.
Why, therefore, would they choose to spend the budget where there may be a perception issue, as opposed to spending it somewhere where none of those perception issues may occur? It's Sponsorship 101 really, all they are doing is following good business practice.

This is a good point, business always takes the stance that it has to behave as the general public would want their brewery or loan sharks to act, it doesn't have to be right or wrong and they don't have to justify it, I was honestly unsure of this signing, but now I'm 100% behind it now and will always avoid the products involved in these businesses, pathetic I know but you got to do your bit, to be fair I'm puzzled how legalised loan sharks exist in a modern democracy.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
TeflonTed 17 June, 2019 13:46
LiB. Itís a part of having that democracy Iím afraid.

Thereís probably not many loan sharks or payday lenders in China, but thereís not much democracy either.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Bill the chip 17 June, 2019 15:07
Diageo could have been the 1st major company to put a line in the sand and really front up on this on going issue and say weíre gonna start a programme with Pj to help awareness , bring in womenís groups, etc .... like the kick out racism in football and rainbow laces . The profit margins they crave, would have trebled overnight but now a company( with a shocking record in court) has re fuelled the social media lynch mob , why didnít they just say they were ending their partnership and ride into sunset??

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Clontarf 17 June, 2019 16:23
I had a look at Perpignan and Brive's (Stuart Olding) sponsors in the hope that one of them was a Diageo subsidiary. This was just to highlight their hypocrisy for my own satisfaction.

No luck on that front but Gerard Bertrand is a Perpignan Sponsor

[www.gerard-bertrand.com]

His wine is now on my shopping list.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Sunbury bumkin 18 June, 2019 06:19
Gerard Bertrand's Cote Des Roses is a lovely summer 'blush' Rose. Comes in a fancy bottle too, if you want to impress the laydees!

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Pigmy 19 June, 2019 22:27
A interesting perspective from one of the journalists:-

"If Diageo really wanted to do something worthwhile for females why not sponsor the womenís Six Nations and put its money where its mouth is?"

Guinness have a very strong marketing team but a pretty poor product. There are a few ways to hide a poor quality beer - chill it, stick nitrogen into it, fizz it through a sparkler. Let's see them do something constructive for a change.

Take PJ as you see him. He was found not guilty, apologised and move away to let the media hype die down. Now he's back as a talented number 10 and he's playing for us.

Welcome Paddy - COYI

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
SteveS 22 June, 2019 11:39
Quote:
Gray_Lensman
Yes, alcohol is a problem in society.
Where has all this outrage been in the previous thirty years?

Yep apparently signing PJ means we all have to become prohibitionists now.

The knots people are now tying themselves in to defend the indefensible would be funny if the reputation of the club wasnít now damaged for years to come

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
GHA 22 June, 2019 11:57
Indefensible? He was found not guilty, he by no means sent the worst of the messages that were made publicly available, he apologised on a number of occasions. What's indefensible, exactly?

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Florida 22 June, 2019 13:20
Quote:
SteveS
Quote:
Gray_Lensman
Yes, alcohol is a problem in society.
Where has all this outrage been in the previous thirty years?

Yep apparently signing PJ means we all have to become prohibitionists now.

The knots people are now tying themselves in to defend the indefensible would be funny if the reputation of the club wasnít now damaged for years to come

Not drinking Guinness is hardly tying oneself in a knot. Its not exactly a decent drink and the time it takes them to pour it at the mad stad means you miss one or both halves.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
cjm. 22 June, 2019 13:21
Think we should double down and sign Israel Folau.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Florida 22 June, 2019 15:28
Quote:
cjm.
Think we should double down and sign Israel Folau.

Sure, as soon as he realises he's been acting like a d!ck, apologises for his behaviour and the harm is caused.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
LI Bohemian 22 June, 2019 17:01
Quote:
SteveS
Quote:
Gray_Lensman
Yes, alcohol is a problem in society.
Where has all this outrage been in the previous thirty years?

Yep apparently signing PJ means we all have to become prohibitionists now.

The knots people are now tying themselves in to defend the indefensible would be funny if the reputation of the club wasnít now damaged for years to come

Come on steve son, this type of trolling is well below the standards set on this MB
Please up your game.
I'm sure you get more attention than you think, and I think your more intelligent than you come across.
Read it slowly, twice if you need to.
Prohibition means no alcohol at all.

Now please carry on with the JP baiting.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
SimonG19 23 June, 2019 11:06
Viewing this thread from outside somehow reminds me of Boris Johnson's neighbour.

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
GHA 23 June, 2019 12:18
Quote:
SimonG19
Viewing this thread from outside somehow reminds me of Boris Johnson's neighbour.

How topical of you

Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
Exile_Dave 23 June, 2019 12:33
Quote:
SimonG19
Viewing this thread from outside somehow reminds me of Boris Johnson's neighbour.

Thatís a creepy observation.



I'd rather be a Paddy then a Quin!!

C'mon the boys in Green!!



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Re: Diageo cancels London Irish deal over Paddy Jackson signing
bigbitty 23 June, 2019 12:55
Quote:
Exile_Dave
Quote:
SimonG19
Viewing this thread from outside somehow reminds me of Boris Johnson's neighbour.

Thatís a creepy observation.

Please, please everybody, don't spill red wine on your PC/phone. No good will come of it.


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