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Discussion started by LI Bohemian , 10 October, 2019 13:23
World Cup so far
LI Bohemian 10 October, 2019 13:23
Well blow me down (pun)
Who would have thought there would be a monsoon in Japans Monsoon season? Not me or apparently the organisers of this so far unimpressive event.

Re: World Cup so far
Shawshank 10 October, 2019 14:46
Started well enough, but the last 2 weeks have been an utter bore-fest.

Basically the only game that actually matters after Round 2 is the Japan v Scotland game.

RWC needs a really drastic re-think for 2023, as it's only going to get worse (can't see Japan being a similar force then, as interest there will probably dwindle after this one).

Maybe 10 qualify, 2 pools of 5 and then top 2 from each pool go straight to semi-finals. Every match will be competitive and it will take 1 week less.

Bottom 2 in each pool lose automatic qualification for the next RWC, and 2 years later there is a qualifying tournament to see who gets the 4 open slots.

Re: World Cup so far
Lazyboy346 10 October, 2019 16:37
I think this has been a decent world cup but the shocks have mainly served to streamline teams qualifying rather than make it wider, Japan aside. I think it's time to widen the format to maximise development and allow for better welfare of players:

Move to 24 teams in four pools of six. All games in a round in same pool played across two days total so nobody gains more than a day or two advantage on turnaround and it balances overall. Each team plays over 29-33 days with no turnaround shorter than five days or longer than seven during pools.

Top 4 qualify for a last 16 (and next RWC), matching 1v4 and 2v3 against other pools, then to quarters and semis as before. Teams play one more and at most two more games but more non-tier 1 teams getting exposure against tier 1. 5th place in pools could automatically go into the upper level of qualifying tournaments for the next one - balance of reward but stil need to prove themselves in qualification.

Up squads to 35 and require a minimum of nine front rowers (inc. 3 who can hook and 6 who can prop) and 3 recognised scrum halves. Allows for more rotation and balances the workload, keeps specialists for safety reasons but you've got at least 1 more free slot to choose how to allocate (assuming 5 PR+2HK+2SH becomes 6+3+3 after upping squad by 4 spaces).

You'd then have teams like Georgia and Uruguay fighting out for the fourth place to qualify for knockouts. Canada and Namibia both could look up for knockouts and auto qualification, stay 5th for accelerated qualification chances or be wary of losing to a sixth placed team e.g. Homg Kong, Brasil or Kenya, all of whom would relish the chance for a famous win over one of the current group of regular tier 2 or 3 teams.

Main issues would be cost, timing (1 week more, maybe 2), infrastructure and referees. I think most of these could be overcome with sufficient planning plus ticketing designed to encourage large turnout to all games while subsidising costs from larger games. Not perfect but would be good for growing the game and could increase exposure to new players worldwide.

Re: World Cup so far
x_ile 10 October, 2019 19:45
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Lazyboy346

Main issues would be cost, timing (1 week more, maybe 2), infrastructure and referees. I think most of these could be overcome with sufficient planning plus ticketing designed to encourage large turnout to all games while subsidising costs from larger games. Not perfect but would be good for growing the game and could increase exposure to new players worldwide.


Given the apparent fiasco over this weekend's cancellations and the consequent advantages being handed to certain highly ranked teams - who shall remain nameless - p**sups in breweries comes readily to mind. Bloody unbelievable.

Re: World Cup so far
HMRH 10 October, 2019 21:23
Advantages to highly ranked teams - who presumably, with great foresight, managed to get their games on the path of a typhoon. A few days ago it was The Ireland game that was threatened and a draw would have meant a Scotland BP win would have sent Ireland home.

Are you suggesting that lower ranked teams would not have had their games in the path of the typhoon cancelled?

Re: World Cup so far
x_ile 10 October, 2019 21:41
See what you make of this article:

[www.bbc.co.uk]

Re: World Cup so far
Florida 10 October, 2019 21:52
Had Scotland had the good sense to beat Ireland then they would be welcoming the news that their next game is canceled.

Re: World Cup so far
Foggy-Balla 10 October, 2019 23:10
I would have thought Scotland would have been grateful for two points for a cancelled game & a quiet flight home rather than insisting their match with Japan go ahead (Sm14)



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Re: World Cup so far
Foggy-Balla 10 October, 2019 23:13
At least it’s not in Qatar. I mean you’d have to be mental to have a major sporting event in the desert, wouldn’t you Ted?



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Re: World Cup so far
LI Bohemian 11 October, 2019 08:35
If it were one of the "important" teams that needed more than two points to qualify to the knockout stages the games would be rearranged, no question about it, what I find absolutely unfathomable is this world cup was ten years in the planning, for some fans it would be the trip of a lifetime, it is started at a bad time for northern hemisphere rugby as the season has started and at the start of a regular monsoon season, the contingency plans are to, firstly cancel any games perceived as dead rubbers, secondly cancel the rest of the games? World Rugby is a joke, you can't grow a game that is not competitive, this will be confirmed if New Zealand win it again, it's like Australia winning rugby league world cups, people will lose interest, I have.

Re: World Cup so far
LI Bohemian 11 October, 2019 14:03
Just noticed that if the Wales game is cancelled then england will play Wales in the quarter finals, or have I got this wrong?

Re: World Cup so far
Shawshank 11 October, 2019 14:10
If 2 teams are tied on points the group winner will be the winner of the head-to-head.

So Wales win the group and we play Oz.

Re: World Cup so far
LI Bohemian 11 October, 2019 15:55
Thanks SS thought that might be the case but starting to doubt competition will be okay when the QF start.

Re: World Cup so far
Griff 12 October, 2019 11:21
Just to be clear, the reason the games have been cancelled is because of the largest typhoon to hit Japan since 1958 {which killed 1200 people}. Not normal monsoon conditions {which were earlier in the year}.

Re: World Cup so far
x_ile 12 October, 2019 12:25
Was it totally beyond the capability of the World Rugby brains, during ten years of planning, to come up with a plan B in the event of inclement weather?

Mind you, since the combined might of the great brains of the EU and the UK have failed, in three years +, to come up with an acceptable plan to leave the EU, perhaps one shouldn't be surprised. (Sm100)

Re: World Cup so far
Griff 12 October, 2019 12:40
I would point out that the Japanese GP is on this weekend. They've lost a day's racing, and may yet lose the race. This is an extreme event, bit mean to blame it on the organisers.

Re: World Cup so far
x_ile 12 October, 2019 15:07
Griff.

To be fair, they did have a Plan B - cancel the games and award 2 points to each team. Simple but not really satisfactory given the Pool standings at the time.

Re: World Cup so far
Blarney 13 October, 2019 10:59
On a slightly different note...any chance of making some enquiries towards Gaminara (uruguayan 6)? Fantastic, committed player. Wales showing how poor their second-string are.



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Re: World Cup so far
Lazyboy346 13 October, 2019 11:14
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Blarney
On a slightly different note...any chance of making some enquiries towards Gaminara (uruguayan 6)? Fantastic, committed player. Wales showing how poor their second-string are.

Seconded, he looks a good committed player (as did the Russian 7). I'd also take a look at Cat, their fly half come centre as he has pace, hands, a good boot and seems to have a good brain too. He's an amateur but 32 caps for Uruguay at 23 shows he's got talent and consistency.

Re: World Cup so far
GMC_LI 13 October, 2019 17:41
Did Steve Mafi play any minutes in this RWC? Genuinely asked?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 13/10/2019 17:41 by GMC_LI.

Re: World Cup so far
bigbitty 13 October, 2019 19:40
Heard on the grapevine:

Should the Cherry Blossoms and the Kiwis meet, they are going to rename the competition as the Shoe Polish Cup.

I'll get my hat.......

Re: World Cup so far
SimonG19 14 October, 2019 11:32
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LI Bohemian
If it were one of the "important" teams that needed more than two points to qualify to the knockout stages the games would be rearranged, no question about it ....

Absolutely. They would probably have cancelled the cyclone wouldn't they?

Re: World Cup so far
LI Bohemian 14 October, 2019 12:31
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LI Bohemian
If it were one of the "important" teams that needed more than two points to qualify to the knockout stages the games would be rearranged, no question about it ....

Absolutely. They would probably have cancelled the cyclone wouldn't they?

Would have preferred them to cancel the Typhoon, if we're going to be silly about the discussion

Re: World Cup so far
HMRH 16 October, 2019 22:35
Great QFs lined up and good Iuck to all NH sides - let’s make this 3 of us plus SA

Re: World Cup so far
Shawshank 17 October, 2019 09:02
HMRH - why do you want SA to beat Japan...? (Sm105)

Re: World Cup so far
LI Bohemian 17 October, 2019 10:21
I think the playing of Slade could be a risk, don't know why you would drop inform Ford for out of form Farrell and I hope Jerome Garces has a better game than he has so far in the competition.


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