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here we go again
Discussion started by doublebass , 28 December, 2019 22:00
here we go again
doublebass 28 December, 2019 22:00
Frankly what an awful month for London Irish in almost all respects.
Forget Europe that doesnt matter - 2 points only from the premiership drawn game with Bristol next month doesnt look any better with Exeter at home and Northampton away. No one did us any favours today Bath/Wasps both won and Quins managed to let Leicester take 2 points - god knows how. It could be argued that if we had not the sending off at Bristol we might have won that but certainly not today. Discipline/discipline it doesnt matter who the coaches are its not there.
On top of that announce tie up with stubhub wh I thought were ticket resellers (I could be wrong) launch the new website and season tickets for Brentford into a losing atmosphere, why launch so early with still loads of questions unanswered it appears ? - All not good.
Until LI get a firm existence on the field the club will not be followed regardless of where they are playing and will yoyo up and down between Premiership and Championship until the point when the sponsors finally hang up their hats.
Whoopy an extra couple of thousand tickets sale for the Bath game - Maybe the location of Reading and the M4 to Bath (not Brentford) had something to do with that will they be there v Exeter - I doubt now if we had beaten Bath and put in a good show against Worcs maybe !!
Sorry to be so gloomy but we started well (before all the new recruits and world cup returnees) and with the exception of the Leicester game since then its been all down hill - We must be looking odds on demotion candidates now - yet another depressing season for the supporters

Re: here we go again
cjm. 28 December, 2019 22:22
It just all feels shabby for some reason. There seems to be no strong leadership and direction and some players are compensating with atrocious indiscipline.

There's enough talent but nothing is working.

Re: here we go again
waltham 29 December, 2019 00:00
Remember London Welsh?

Re: here we go again
Alphacat 29 December, 2019 00:58
I was getting a bit of that vibe. We bought a load of players to stay up, and they were a good team, but now with injuries, playing leaving or otherwise engaged, it is revealing how paper thin the team appears to be.

Re: here we go again
orsoncart 29 December, 2019 13:49
Got a feeling of deja vu, just feels like the njk premier season, good start, then wheels off.

Is it me, but i always feel let down by many of our trumpeted signings - he season is getting towards half way and what have we gained from dell, Kepu, TJ, Naholo, Freddie, Mafi, phipps, ? Many of them have barely started a PL game. I know, I know about the WC, but have these players had the impact that we hoped? Botha was terrific, but half a dozen games and heís gone, so isnít really going to influence this year.

The discipline is a shambles but has been for years. But to have Hoskins, TJ and Matu sent off in a month is dreadful

Time for K & K to earn their cash - at this rate, the Championship is nailed on for Brentford



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 29/12/2019 13:51 by orsoncart.

Re: here we go again
cjm. 29 December, 2019 13:56
I think Phipps has done OK. Others not so much.

Why is discipline so bad? Is it Declan? Is he the last remaining gene from the old days? Baffled as to why it hasn't changed when virtually all staff have changed.

Re: here we go again
Florida 29 December, 2019 14:16
Since the beginning and of the season (not counting Prem shield)

11 games
120 penalties
9 yellow cards
3 red cards

They are pretty damming numbers

Re: here we go again
shimmieandshake 29 December, 2019 15:51
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orsoncart
Got a feeling of deja vu, just feels like the njk premier season, good start, then wheels off.
Is it me, but i always feel let down by many of our trumpeted signings - he season is getting towards half way and what have we gained from dell, Kepu, TJ, Naholo, Freddie, Mafi, phipps, ? Many of them have barely started a PL game. I know, I know about the WC, but have these players had the impact that we hoped? Botha was terrific, but half a dozen games and heís gone, so isnít really going to influence this year.

The discipline is a shambles but has been for years. But to have Hoskins, TJ and Matu sent off in a month is dreadful

Time for K & K to earn their cash - at this rate, the Championship is nailed on for Brentford

This is way too dramatic. All the people you've named were at the World Cup or are signings who had contracts assuming they would be.

Also, Phipps has been good. Naholo has also been good, with room to improve. TJ very good until the red.

Sure, Mafi not great, but give him a few games to get up to speed. Dell admittedly hasn't been the quality we've been for Scotland and yesterday was awful from him.

We've had a glut of injuries. Going to be a very tough next couple of games. Our season gets decided during the Six Nations when other sides get much more depleted than ours and we get gun players like Loader and Naholo back and others like Mafi and Dell and Kepu are up to speed.

It's worrying times, sure. Botha already a massive miss and the discipline simply has to change. But it's not as bad as some of the negativity on here is making out. Have faith.

Re: here we go again
Shawshank 29 December, 2019 19:22
Where is Naholo? Why hasnít the club told us why he hasnít returned from NZ?

Why is Atkins being ignored? Need to trust him.

Why is our discipline so appalling?

Re: here we go again
paulm1953 29 December, 2019 19:54
Would be useful to have a location where we can get injury updates.

Re: here we go again
irishboy_1995 29 December, 2019 19:55
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Shawshank
Where is Naholo? Why hasnít the club told us why he hasnít returned from NZ?
Why is Atkins being ignored? Need to trust him.

Why is our discipline so appalling?

Naholo has been in New Zealand for the birth of his kid I'd doubt he"ll not be back until the saints game on the 24th

Re: here we go again
Smudge21 29 December, 2019 20:50
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Shawshank
Where is Naholo? Why hasnít the club told us why he hasnít returned from NZ?
Why is Atkins being ignored? Need to trust him.

Why is our discipline so appalling?

Atkins needs to be involved. Was trusted in the champ and was arguably our best 10. Teams like saints and wasps are reaping the rewards from backing their youngsters at 10

Re: here we go again
Bazzo 30 December, 2019 09:47
Always the strongest argument for scraping relegation though. You can throw in young English players and let them grow if no threat or you can stick with experience and know how to they to avoid getting relegated. They will always go with the latter whist the threat is there

Re: here we go again
SirBurger 30 December, 2019 09:56
Year on year, our skills just seem to be so much below the average. As far as I can tell, we now have three specialist defence coaches on the roster, with nobody there to work on basic handling. Whilst I understand that defence and physicality have perhaps been our weak points over the past few years, our attack looks stunted (as it did in the Championship). Obviously Loader and Naholo will make a big difference when they return and will hopefully create more space in the midfield, but at present the three centres we have used look very unlikely to make line breaks. I can't help but feel Campbell may be worth a go, even if he is more limited in other aspects of his play.

Re: here we go again
paddym 30 December, 2019 10:58
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Smudge21
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Shawshank
Where is Naholo? Why hasnít the club told us why he hasnít returned from NZ?
Why is Atkins being ignored? Need to trust him.

Why is our discipline so appalling?

Atkins needs to be involved. Was trusted in the champ and was arguably our best 10. Teams like saints and wasps are reaping the rewards from backing their youngsters at 10

He didnít look that great last night nor in other A League games this season. PJ needs to play there when back from injury and get a run of games not get shifted back to 15.

Re: here we go again
SirBurger 30 December, 2019 11:25
Anyone know how long PJ is out for?

Re: here we go again
Shawshank 30 December, 2019 12:18
Would also like to see Matt Williams getting some game-time.

Skilful runner and always seems to break through defences.

Re: here we go again
SirBurger 30 December, 2019 12:28
Agreed - when fit, I think Williams should be at 13.

Re: here we go again
BaltiBoy 30 December, 2019 19:18
For me it's simply a case of not having enough strength in depth once we get injuries.

Also I can't see that simply bringing in the likes of Atkins, Campbell and Williams as mentioned above will make any difference, they are just not good enough imho to be starting in the premiership.

If we had our best XV week in week out we may win a few, add in a few injuries though and we're really struggling!

Throw in the ill discipline as well and we're absolutely knackered.



Cheers & Beers
BB

Re: here we go again
Smudge21 30 December, 2019 21:49
Every team would struggle with the amount of first team Injuries we currently have. Look at leicester without their world cup contingent for example. However, it's the manner in which we are losing. So many basic errors and stupid moments of madness that are costing us at the moment.

Re: here we go again
tigerburnie 02 January, 2020 12:42
It seems the bookies have Wasps as favourites for bottom place, but then there's all this talk that the league will be made up of 13 teams next season so no one will be relegated(I am strongly against ring fencing, if Tigers are bottom then we deserve to go down)

Re: here we go again
tatthecraic2 02 January, 2020 16:50
we still have a very good bunch of players. who have pedigree. but seemly want to give away frequent penalties

availble to play (*) denotes international (forgive spelling)

Dell*
Faianga*
Hoskins
Coleman*
VDM*
Mafi*
Cowan*
Tuisuie*
Phipps*
Myler*
OHC
Cambell*
Rona*
Naholo*
Vietokani*

That on paper is not a bad team... its not the best in the prem but it should for all intents and purposes be more intelligent and competative than they currently are...

the mind boggles...

Re: here we go again
irishboy_1995 02 January, 2020 16:53
Campbell really?

Re: here we go again
Margin_Walker 02 January, 2020 17:57
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tigerburnie
It seems the bookies have Wasps as favourites for bottom place, but then there's all this talk that the league will be made up of 13 teams next season so no one will be relegated(I am strongly against ring fencing, if Tigers are bottom then we deserve to go down)

I'd be surprised if Wasps were favourites at the moment. I thought it was us now to be honest, despite the gap over Leicester. The momentum has definitely been shifting.

Strongly doubt ringfencing will happen for next season. We get rumours like this around this time every season. If and when it does happen, I think it will all be signed off and announced before the end of the final 12 team season. May be wrong though.

Re: here we go again
Alphacat 02 January, 2020 18:03
Still would put Leicester bottom in the current power rankings, but I see us as 11th

Re: here we go again
Smudge21 02 January, 2020 20:49
A lot depends on the 6 nations period, we've seen how vulnerable some teams have been without their internationals

Re: here we go again
orsoncart 11 January, 2020 19:00
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shimmieandshake
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orsoncart
Got a feeling of deja vu, just feels like the njk premier season, good start, then wheels off.
Is it me, but i always feel let down by many of our trumpeted signings - he season is getting towards half way and what have we gained from dell, Kepu, TJ, Naholo, Freddie, Mafi, phipps, ? Many of them have barely started a PL game. I know, I know about the WC, but have these players had the impact that we hoped? Botha was terrific, but half a dozen games and heís gone, so isnít really going to influence this year.

The discipline is a shambles but has been for years. But to have Hoskins, TJ and Matu sent off in a month is dreadful

Time for K & K to earn their cash - at this rate, the Championship is nailed on for Brentford

This is way too dramatic. All the people you've named were at the World Cup or are signings who had contracts assuming they would be.

Also, Phipps has been good. Naholo has also been good, with room to improve. TJ very good until the red.

Sure, Mafi not great, but give him a few games to get up to speed. Dell admittedly hasn't been the quality we've been for Scotland and yesterday was awful from him.

We've had a glut of injuries. Going to be a very tough next couple of games. Our season gets decided during the Six Nations when other sides get much more depleted than ours and we get gun players like Loader and Naholo back and others like Mafi and Dell and Kepu are up to speed.

It's worrying times, sure. Botha already a massive miss and the discipline simply has to change. But it's not as bad as some of the negativity on here is making out. Have faith.

ĎWay too dramaticí, I dont think so

Re: here we go again
Bazzo 12 January, 2020 19:09
Not dramatic at all. I would assume that our recruitment was just geared to one thing only and that was with Brentford in mind, staying up. I also assume that is why we changed from inexperienced coaches to Kidney and Kiss, also we are supposedly spending more than we ever have in any previous season. So when we signed these players, they knew when they were coming. Time for lots of people to stand up and earn their cash. It has been a tough month in December, hopefully the months ahead will be better.

Re: here we go again
joshhbartholomew 12 January, 2020 19:38
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Bazzo
Not dramatic at all. I would assume that our recruitment was just geared to one thing only and that was with Brentford in mind, staying up. I also assume that is why we changed from inexperienced coaches to Kidney and Kiss, also we are supposedly spending more than we ever have in any previous season. So when we signed these players, they knew when they were coming. Time for lots of people to stand up and earn their cash. It has been a tough month in December, hopefully the months ahead will be better.

Very considered analysis - completely agree. Letís stop all the negativity! Yes, itís been a pretty tough month, but we were bound to have ruts - the key thing is how we respond.

Re: here we go again
cjm. 12 January, 2020 20:44
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joshhbartholomew
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Bazzo
Not dramatic at all. I would assume that our recruitment was just geared to one thing only and that was with Brentford in mind, staying up. I also assume that is why we changed from inexperienced coaches to Kidney and Kiss, also we are supposedly spending more than we ever have in any previous season. So when we signed these players, they knew when they were coming. Time for lots of people to stand up and earn their cash. It has been a tough month in December, hopefully the months ahead will be better.

Very considered analysis - completely agree. Letís stop all the negativity! Yes, itís been a pretty tough month, but we were bound to have ruts - the key thing is how we respond.

For how many year do we normally expect ruts to last?

Re: here we go again
joshhbartholomew 13 January, 2020 09:40
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cjm.
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joshhbartholomew
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Bazzo
Not dramatic at all. I would assume that our recruitment was just geared to one thing only and that was with Brentford in mind, staying up. I also assume that is why we changed from inexperienced coaches to Kidney and Kiss, also we are supposedly spending more than we ever have in any previous season. So when we signed these players, they knew when they were coming. Time for lots of people to stand up and earn their cash. It has been a tough month in December, hopefully the months ahead will be better.

Very considered analysis - completely agree. Letís stop all the negativity! Yes, itís been a pretty tough month, but we were bound to have ruts - the key thing is how we respond.

For how many year do we normally expect ruts to last?

Given the difficulty of competing in the Prem as a newly promoted team, playing against sides whoíve had years to build, I think this season just needs to be written off as a successful campaign if we avoid relegation.


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